Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India
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New Delhi: After a stern warning from the Janata Dal (United) leader and Bihar Chief Minister Nitish Kumar over National Democratic Alliance's (NDA) prime ministerial candidate, the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) hit out at its biggest ally saying it should refrain from targeting its allies and instead focus on removing the "corrupt" United Progressive Alliance (UPA) government. Nitish had, in a veiled threat to the BJP, made it clear that his party will not accept the Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi as the NDA's prime ministerial nominee.
"It is unfortunate if they (JD(U)) concentrate their energies on our chief ministers and dilute focus on ousting UPA. We reject all unfounded inference against Narendra Modi," said BJP spokesperson Nirmala Sitharaman, targeting Nitish, who said only someone who can take all sections of society together can become take the top post.
The BJP also hinted that since Modi has been praised for Gujarat's development, Nitish might have felt it unfair and that may be the reason for his criticism. "Though Nitish is developing Bihar, he may feel Gujarat has progressed more," BJP leader Kalraj Mishra said.
New Delhi: After a stern warning from the Janata Dal (United) leader and Bihar Chief Minister Nitish Kumar over National Democratic Alliance's (NDA) prime ministerial candidate, the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) hit out at its biggest ally saying it should refrain from targeting its allies and instead focus on removing the "corrupt" United Progressive Alliance (UPA) government. Nitish had, in a veiled threat to the BJP, made it clear that his party will not accept the Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi as the NDA's prime ministerial nominee.
"It is unfortunate if they (JD(U)) concentrate their energies on our chief ministers and dilute focus on ousting UPA. We reject all unfounded inference against Narendra Modi," said BJP spokesperson Nirmala Sitharaman, targeting Nitish, who said only someone who can take all sections of society together can become take the top post.
The BJP also hinted that since Modi has been praised for Gujarat's development, Nitish might have felt it unfair and that may be the reason for his criticism. "Though Nitish is developing Bihar, he may feel Gujarat has progressed more," BJP leader Kalraj Mishra said.
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Good. The BJP needs to call his bluff. And if he so stupid as to actually leave BJP and loose Bihar too, let him commit political suicide.Singha wrote:ibnlive:
New Delhi: After a stern warning from the Janata Dal (United) leader and Bihar Chief Minister Nitish Kumar over National Democratic Alliance's (NDA) prime ministerial candidate, the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) hit out at its biggest ally saying it should refrain from targeting its allies and instead focus on removing the "corrupt" United Progressive Alliance (UPA) government. Nitish had, in a veiled threat to the BJP, made it clear that his party will not accept the Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi as the NDA's prime ministerial nominee.
"It is unfortunate if they (JD(U)) concentrate their energies on our chief ministers and dilute focus on ousting UPA. We reject all unfounded inference against Narendra Modi," said BJP spokesperson Nirmala Sitharaman, targeting Nitish, who said only someone who can take all sections of society together can become take the top post.
The BJP also hinted that since Modi has been praised for Gujarat's development, Nitish might have felt it unfair and that may be the reason for his criticism. "Though Nitish is developing Bihar, he may feel Gujarat has progressed more," BJP leader Kalraj Mishra said.
I do think the D4 have a hand in this though. It's Game of thrones here. Let's hope NM wins.
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Would be fun if someone sent a quiz to all politicians:kittoo wrote:I do think the D4 have a hand in this though. It's Game of thrones here. Let's hope NM wins.
"Which Game of Thrones character are you?"

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So history repeats again and a cow-belt Dhimmi pops up to serve the interests of Islam.
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Singha wrote:ibnlive:
New Delhi:
The BJP also hinted that since Modi has been praised for Gujarat's development, Nitish might have felt it unfair and that may be the reason for his criticism. "Though Nitish is developing Bihar, he may feel Gujarat has progressed more," BJP leader Kalraj Mishra said.
I am begining to like the smell of this development centered competition.
Niku should stay. A chaiwala may actually end up teaching a thing or two to an engineer.

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Yeah, that's right. All I'm saying is that the ordinary people have very strong Hindutvavadi image of NM.ravi_g wrote:kapilrdave ji,
with NM we could be seeing a new flavour of Hindutva. He is unapologetic about his origins. No looking over the shoulders. Basically he seems willing to contest what it means to be Hindutva vaadi. His focus on Swami Vivekananda is known and Swami ji was a different sort of Hindu. I am waiting for how it unfolds but this could be a new evolution on the varnic scale for Hindutva. If it is so, I am already salivating at what the other two evolutions will bring up in time.
Or this could just be Mungeri lal ke haseen sapne.
Regarding what type of Hindutva he will practive, well, if his GJ rule is anything to go by, he will do nothing special for Hindus. In fact RSS and VHP were bit unhappy with him (about 5 yrs back) purely because of this reason. But what he will make sure is that no communal nonsense is spread by anyone and those who do will be punished. He will bring POTA back and will form a concrete anti terrorism policy and counter measures. He will definately target dynasty. Will reform CBI and other such org. And most of the time do reforms in his fav 'delivery system'. Probably will not touch RJB issuu

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Forgot to add, he will 'saffronize' the text books
. That I think is more imp than RJB.

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What is even more shameful is the bjp headed by a cowbelt neta keeping quiet. I am sure namo will hit out at nitish in his own style and nitish will have a bloody nose soon. I would give it a month.Sushupti wrote:So history repeats again and a cow-belt Dhimmi pops up to serve the interests of Islam.
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There has been talk for many months now within the Hindutva parivar that LKA will be projected as PM candidate and Modi will become Home Minister, giving NM the opportunity to shape Indian politics to suit himself.
Nitish Kumar's outbursts not only have the support of pakistanis but of LKA clique within BJP itself. What Nitish should be careful of is that he is one communal riot away from losing his 'secular' sheen. If their a major Hindu-Muslim riot in Bihar - he will be forced to take sides, and that will destroy his vote catching capability with the other community. Given his so called secular attitude, he will probably favour muslims. Which means the Hindu vote will be up for grabs by the strongest contender - which is Namo.
Given that elections are over an year away, anything can happen between now and then. Nitish is playing his strong card too soon, he shows of lack of timing, and in politics - timing is everything.
Nitish Kumar's outbursts not only have the support of pakistanis but of LKA clique within BJP itself. What Nitish should be careful of is that he is one communal riot away from losing his 'secular' sheen. If their a major Hindu-Muslim riot in Bihar - he will be forced to take sides, and that will destroy his vote catching capability with the other community. Given his so called secular attitude, he will probably favour muslims. Which means the Hindu vote will be up for grabs by the strongest contender - which is Namo.
Given that elections are over an year away, anything can happen between now and then. Nitish is playing his strong card too soon, he shows of lack of timing, and in politics - timing is everything.
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I am sure NaMo would do nothing like that. He is rather clever and not a rambo running lose. It would be a very foolish thing to lose a front which is mopping up muslim votes for you.muraliravi wrote: What is even more shameful is the bjp headed by a cowbelt neta keeping quiet. I am sure namo will hit out at nitish in his own style and nitish will have a bloody nose soon. I would give it a month.
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This has always been my stand if you notice.abhischekcc wrote:There has been talk for many months now within the Hindutva parivar that LKA will be projected as PM candidate and Modi will become Home Minister, giving NM the opportunity to shape Indian politics to suit himself.
No he wont, he is a Kurmi, his caste base voters are Kurmi and such. Favor muslims during riots? Might as well commit harakiri. Posturing is one thing, reality is another. In fact, did any CM in Bihar, ever favor muslims during riots?Given his so called secular attitude, he will probably favour muslims. Which means the Hindu vote will be up for grabs by the strongest contender - which is Namo.
Might as well commit harakiri, heck even the Congress Assam CM could not do that during last riot in Assam.
Nitish is basically giving himself a excuse, "I dont want a non secular person but I tried my best and then there are coalition compulsions what to do, but anyway dont hate me"Given that elections are over an year away, anything can happen between now and then. Nitish is playing his strong card too soon, he shows of lack of timing, and in politics - timing is everything.
If Nitish wants Advani as a secular alternative? Really now? Because of one statement about Jinaah?

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C'mon they dont get any mullah vote. Lalu's vote share is intact. Its an illusionSanku wrote:I am sure NaMo would do nothing like that. He is rather clever and not a rambo running lose. It would be a very foolish thing to lose a front which is mopping up muslim votes for you.muraliravi wrote: What is even more shameful is the bjp headed by a cowbelt neta keeping quiet. I am sure namo will hit out at nitish in his own style and nitish will have a bloody nose soon. I would give it a month.
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1) Lalu's vote share is largely intact - agreemuraliravi wrote:
C'mon they dont get any mullah vote. Lalu's vote share is intact. Its an illusion
However
2) Muslim vote share did split a little between Congress on Lalu
and
3) Some muslims have traditionally voted JD (U) -- they are still with JD (U), some muslim votes is with JD (U) and even BJP.
The important thing is to ensure that the muslim vote in Bihar does not consolidate as anti NDA, which is not the case today (unlike in UP) -- there is big difference in UP (and Bengal) and Bihar as far as Muslim dynamics are concerned.
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If NM doesn't get the chair I hope he sabotages Advani and his chellas. SSC or RS are better options. They are very capable people too. Advani's performance as HM was no different from any INC HM. He has nothing to show for in terms of governance.
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Well... The Paki bottom washing ugly scoundrel Nitish should pay attention to what Modi and doing and focus on development and stop carping about Modi. The loser has lost his mental balance.“The best part of this government is that it has very firm control over law and order. Even at night, there are no highway dacoities or loot maar as are happening in other states. Therefore, it is good for our business. But all this is not just due to police crackdowns. This government has created work and job opportunities for all. For example, there is a poor adivasi settlement around Ambaji Mandir. Some of these men used to indulge in crimes and loot. That community has been given a contract for garbage recycling. So they are very happy about having a regular source of income and are busy making money from that. The government has a plan to make Gujarat a Zero Garbage state with its slogan “Reduce, Recycle, and Reuse. So it is win-win for all.”
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Karan Thapar interviewing Rajnath Singh about NaMo
This nanha-mujahid is all confused onlee. RS categorically says in the interview that JD(U) will not pass a resolution demanding the BJP to declare its PM candidate. But that's exactly what happened today. If we're to believe publically available info, then NiKu's just trying to bargain hard for LKA... But once they publically admit that NaMo's is the most popular man in the party, what are the chances that the BJP finally chooses LKA over NaMo post elections? IMHO, the game is stacked 60-40 against NaMo as of today.
There's a lot of
that NaMo faces a lot of opposition from within the BJP itself, especially from D4 gang. But no theories as to the potential strat-i-jees NaMo might execute to neutralize these internal threats. I'm fairly certain that the BJP leaders who have, or do, benefit from corruption would not like to see NaMo in-charge. These leaders would also be soft on the dienasty in a quid-pro-quo arrangement as has been hinted by many.
NaMo cannot publically nuke this entrenched party structure and score a self goal. That's where his current strat-i-jee starts making sense. The media blitzkreig is not so much for the dienasty as much as it is a message to delhi-BJP about the inevitability of Modi's ascention. [N00b pooch] What if NiKu is actually Modi's guy? Trying to force the delhi-BJP to announce Modi's name before the elections? [/N00b pooch]
This nanha-mujahid is all confused onlee. RS categorically says in the interview that JD(U) will not pass a resolution demanding the BJP to declare its PM candidate. But that's exactly what happened today. If we're to believe publically available info, then NiKu's just trying to bargain hard for LKA... But once they publically admit that NaMo's is the most popular man in the party, what are the chances that the BJP finally chooses LKA over NaMo post elections? IMHO, the game is stacked 60-40 against NaMo as of today.
There's a lot of


NaMo cannot publically nuke this entrenched party structure and score a self goal. That's where his current strat-i-jee starts making sense. The media blitzkreig is not so much for the dienasty as much as it is a message to delhi-BJP about the inevitability of Modi's ascention. [N00b pooch] What if NiKu is actually Modi's guy? Trying to force the delhi-BJP to announce Modi's name before the elections? [/N00b pooch]
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If Modi is at all serious he has very little time left. He needs to either
(1) get himself declared as the BJP's PM candidate and Chairman of the National Election committee, or
(2) stage a coup to neutralize opponents in the BJP and then get step 1 done, or
(3) split the BJP.
It is already late - he should act within the next 2 months say.
(1) get himself declared as the BJP's PM candidate and Chairman of the National Election committee, or
(2) stage a coup to neutralize opponents in the BJP and then get step 1 done, or
(3) split the BJP.
It is already late - he should act within the next 2 months say.
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NiKu has his compulsions and he is trying to avoid the situation where he has to support NaMo.
If NaMo is out and NDA does well, the NiKu will likely also have a chance at the top post.
Clearly the D4 are very happy that NiKu is questioning NaMo.
2014 elections are going to be critical. They can decide the fate of the next few generation of Indians, and India as a nation herself.
But the D4 dont get it...
If NaMo is out and NDA does well, the NiKu will likely also have a chance at the top post.
Clearly the D4 are very happy that NiKu is questioning NaMo.
2014 elections are going to be critical. They can decide the fate of the next few generation of Indians, and India as a nation herself.
But the D4 dont get it...
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They have asked for 8 months for declaration.dhruvM wrote:Karan Thapar interviewing Rajnath Singh about NaMo
This nanha-mujahid is all confused onlee. RS categorically says in the interview that JD(U) will not pass a resolution demanding the BJP to declare its PM candidate. But that's exactly what happened today.
This when --
One week is a long time in politics.
I would call this deliberate noise to hide the real signals.
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Even if D4 existed (when it does not) -- harping on D4 misses the main point -- the final say in BJP is RSS, especially on critical matters (not talking about daily politicing)VikramS wrote:NiKu has his compulsions and he is trying to avoid the situation where he has to support NaMo.
If NaMo is out and NDA does well, the NiKu will likely also have a chance at the top post.
Clearly the D4 are very happy that NiKu is questioning NaMo.
2014 elections are going to be critical. They can decide the fate of the next few generation of Indians, and India as a nation herself.
But the D4 dont get it...
So any journalist who talks about D4 deciding or not deciding how the PM nominee shapes up is talking out of their Musharraf.
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I don't see NDA winning without someone leading. Advani failed in 2009. The Dilli gang cannot even win Delhi. They are plainly trying to sabotage through NK.
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I remember an incident. It was the summer of 2004. Lok Sabha results were out and in Bihar, the UPA under the leadership of Lalu Prasad Yadav had got a decisive lead. The NDA, led by George-Nitish had been badly mauled. Nitish ji came to my place. He was free and so we talked for hours on everything under the sun. My contention was that the NDA had to bite the dust because of Narendra Modi. Nitish ji was not ready to concede my point. That I was opposed to Modi was quite palpable to him. In a somber and firm voice, Nitish ji said, “Narendra Modi is the new face of the BJP. He comes from a Most Backward Class. He is Ghanchi, a Ghanchi! It is a minority backward caste there. The BJP’s Brahmin lobby is out to defame him. Even Vajpayee has joined its ranks. Modi is a dynamic man. Meet him once and you will become his admirer. He comes from a very poor family. He is extremely simple and very diligent.” Nitish ji appeared to be in a state of trance. He was unstoppable. Then, fondly recalling an occasion when Modi played host to him, he concluded his monologue, “I have become his fan.”
http://www.countercurrents.org/mani030912.htm
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You are right but certainly D4 is capable of creating scene to pressurize RSS.Sanku wrote:Even if D4 existed (when it does not) -- harping on D4 misses the main point -- the final say in BJP is RSS, especially on critical matters (not talking about daily politicing)VikramS wrote:NiKu has his compulsions and he is trying to avoid the situation where he has to support NaMo.
If NaMo is out and NDA does well, the NiKu will likely also have a chance at the top post.
Clearly the D4 are very happy that NiKu is questioning NaMo.
2014 elections are going to be critical. They can decide the fate of the next few generation of Indians, and India as a nation herself.
But the D4 dont get it...
So any journalist who talks about D4 deciding or not deciding how the PM nominee shapes up is talking out of their Musharraf.
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And they would do so because? They prefer being non entities rather than Cabinet ministers with power and pelf? Even if "Advani is frustrated" dictum is to be believed, what basis do others have for staying with Advani and becoming slowly even more irrelevant?Supratik wrote:I don't see NDA winning without someone leading. Advani failed in 2009. The Dilli gang cannot even win Delhi. They are plainly trying to sabotage through NK.
BTW, Advani lost 2009, thats not really a big deal, people do lose elections, that's different from saying Advani CANT win elections. Unless you are saying Manmohan in 1999 was actually a better political leader.
ABV also "lost" elections, cobbled together a weak coalition, fought again, lost again cobbled another coalition and finally did well enough to win more seats. This was with Advani doing all the real day to day operations in the party with ABV largely as face.
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Seems like Nitish Kumar is going to leave soon. Get M vote in general elections. Hopefully NaMo is declared PM candidate.
he polarizes the hell out of India. Thats good. There will be more emphatic wins for BJPs MPs . The M vote wasn't theirs anyways. BJP wants the OBC vote in UP, the Yadav vote in UP....they need to wrap up all the fragmented caste based votes.
The best way to do that, is to project the unifying factors. Let the MSM+cong be secular. BJP should be out and out Hindutva+development agenda, by projecting Modi
Then, Modi will do all his MSM winning over, and facebook, twitter winning over on his own....no need for BJP too much.
Hopefully BJP will get 200+. JDU will RELUCTANTLY come back into NDA
. Along with Amma and SS and couple of others, they are 272 and they rule for 5 years, hopefully, sensibly.
Mera Bharat mahan ! Jai Hind
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he polarizes the hell out of India. Thats good. There will be more emphatic wins for BJPs MPs . The M vote wasn't theirs anyways. BJP wants the OBC vote in UP, the Yadav vote in UP....they need to wrap up all the fragmented caste based votes.
The best way to do that, is to project the unifying factors. Let the MSM+cong be secular. BJP should be out and out Hindutva+development agenda, by projecting Modi
Then, Modi will do all his MSM winning over, and facebook, twitter winning over on his own....no need for BJP too much.
Hopefully BJP will get 200+. JDU will RELUCTANTLY come back into NDA

Mera Bharat mahan ! Jai Hind

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Dont celebrate too soon. Hopefully you are right and JDU is kicked out - or atleast those who oppose NaMo.mahadevbhu wrote:Seems like Nitish Kumar is going to leave soon. Get M vote in general elections. Hopefully NaMo is declared PM candidate.
he polarizes the hell out of India. Thats good. There will be more emphatic wins for BJPs MPs . The M vote wasn't theirs anyways. BJP wants the OBC vote in UP, the Yadav vote in UP....they need to wrap up all the fragmented caste based votes.
The best way to do that, is to project the unifying factors. Let the MSM+cong be secular. BJP should be out and out Hindutva+development agenda, by projecting Modi
Then, Modi will do all his MSM winning over, and facebook, twitter winning over on his own....no need for BJP too much.
Hopefully BJP will get 200+. JDU will RELUCTANTLY come back into NDA. Along with Amma and SS and couple of others, they are 272 and they rule for 5 years, hopefully, sensibly.
Mera Bharat mahan ! Jai Hind!
I only want NaMo at the helm if he has full control. I don't want him to become a handicapped PM with title but no power - then he will get blame for all the $hit that is bound to happen.
BTW - this is some positive news ---> here
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The need of the hour is to defeat the non-performing and corrupt UPA. The Congress led UPA government is leading this country on a downslide in every field.
The BJP expects opposition parties and allies to keep their main focus on that. However, it is unfortunate, if they concentrate their energies on our Chief Ministers and dilute the focus of removing the UPA.
The BJP will continue its determined efforts in this direction.
We reject all unfounded inferences against Shri Narendra Modi.
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BJP won’t dump Modi for Nitish, NDA headed for split
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... ium=tweets
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... ium=tweets
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Sanku wrote:
And they would do so because? They prefer being non entities rather than Cabinet ministers with power and pelf? Even if "Advani is frustrated" dictum is to be believed, what basis do others have for staying with Advani and becoming slowly even more irrelevant?
BTW, Advani lost 2009, thats not really a big deal, people do lose elections, that's different from saying Advani CANT win elections. Unless you are saying Manmohan in 1999 was actually a better political leader.
ABV also "lost" elections, cobbled together a weak coalition, fought again, lost again cobbled another coalition and finally did well enough to win more seats. This was with Advani doing all the real day to day operations in the party with ABV largely as face.
They are nothing without Advani. AK is nothing but a manipulator, AJ can speak well but can't get himself elected and keeps shuttling between Advani and NM, SS lost even Delhi which has solid BJP base and VN less said the better. I don't think NK is doing all this on his own. MMS and Advani should not be compared. MMS has been "made" PM to run the show for the family. BJP, I am sure would like to be different. BJP got the lowest number of seats under Advani in 20 years that too when the party is at its best ever penetrance. Vajpayee used to loose when the party was nowhere. People voted for BJP and Vajpayee in the 90s. Advani has shown nothing in terms of vision that would inspire anyone. We need someone with vision who can lead for the next 20-25 years. If the idea is to muddle along then whats the problem with RG and MMS. I am sure they will do just fine. Thats why if the NDA comes to power which is unlikely unless someone leads I hope they choose a fresh face or someone like SSC or RS who are committed and have vision.
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Sanku-ji, people are trying to point to a (genuine) fear that the anti-incumbency generated due to INC misrule is not sufficient to dislodge UPA. It is the pro-modi vote which will swing it for the BJP. BRFites might be all-weather BJP fans, but the current low signal-to-noise ratio coming from BJP is not helping its cause.
It is possible that we are all imagining the infighting within BJP. This might even be a deliberate ploy by Ahmed Patel led skunkworks to avoid any consolidation in BJP votes. But they need to come clean on the leadership issue. Fast. I do not agree with the others when they say that it is imperative for NaMo to be the PM candidate. I'd be happy with an Advani(PM)-NaMo(HM) combo. But this needs to be clarified by the Parliamentary Board. How is this confusion helping? Or are there wheels within wheels which we cannot really see till they are revealed?
Bharatiya politics is definitely more intriguing than George RR Martin's Game of Thrones!
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The BJP press release is a very good sign. Maybe Sanku-ji is right afterall.
It is possible that we are all imagining the infighting within BJP. This might even be a deliberate ploy by Ahmed Patel led skunkworks to avoid any consolidation in BJP votes. But they need to come clean on the leadership issue. Fast. I do not agree with the others when they say that it is imperative for NaMo to be the PM candidate. I'd be happy with an Advani(PM)-NaMo(HM) combo. But this needs to be clarified by the Parliamentary Board. How is this confusion helping? Or are there wheels within wheels which we cannot really see till they are revealed?
Bharatiya politics is definitely more intriguing than George RR Martin's Game of Thrones!
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The BJP press release is a very good sign. Maybe Sanku-ji is right afterall.
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I still think the NDA alliance should be maintained in BH and they should campaign with Modi leading without declaring the PM candidate and decide after the polls based on numbers. If the JD(U) is not agreeable to this then the alliance cannot be saved.
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There is one wrong in this argument. Congress does not even has a percentage in Bihar. It has something similar to dynasty votes in Bihar and everything is in 4 assembly seats. All the eight percent that is being counted is from these four. Percentages are very deceptive. Muslim vote is purely in the hands of Laloo. The whole argument that Nitish got some and that some votes will go away if Modi is declared is not right. The insignificant Musilm votes will come with Modi as well.Sanku wrote:1) Lalu's vote share is largely intact - agreemuraliravi wrote:
C'mon they dont get any mullah vote. Lalu's vote share is intact. Its an illusion
However
2) Muslim vote share did split a little between Congress on Lalu
and
3) Some muslims have traditionally voted JD (U) -- they are still with JD (U), some muslim votes is with JD (U) and even BJP.
The important thing is to ensure that the muslim vote in Bihar does not consolidate as anti NDA, which is not the case today (unlike in UP) -- there is big difference in UP (and Bengal) and Bihar as far as Muslim dynamics are concerned.
Nitish's opposition to Modi has nothing to with Muslim votes of any vote based expanding ambition. He is either playing into someone else's hands or he wants to be alternative PM candidate himself. Period.
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When does Nitish Kumar lean out so much that he cannot retreat? When does he become a liability not just for BJP but for JD(U) itself? When does one become certain that he would try to make BJP loses in the elections rather than make NDA win?
Nitish Kumar has already shown the sword. Can he put it back in the sheath?
It is possible that somebody in JD(U) decides to toss NiKu overboard and take control of the party.
Nitish Kumar has already shown the sword. Can he put it back in the sheath?
It is possible that somebody in JD(U) decides to toss NiKu overboard and take control of the party.
Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India
If Nitish leaves, he is cooked. I think he is just bargaining hard and wants to appear as though he is opposed to Modi so he can keep his Muslim base intact.
Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India
+1 i do believe this is just a lot of posturing to keep his vote base intact. 'End of the year' is the deadline. In politics where change happens each week, 9 months is a life time. I believe NK owill continue to make all the noise he can for just one purpose - preserve his vote bank. And i also believe there is an acknowledgement that the elections may happen well before 2014.RoyG wrote:If Nitish leaves, he is cooked. I think he is just bargaining hard and wants to appear as though he is opposed to Modi so he can keep his Muslim base intact.
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Re: Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India
Advani of the Babri fame is acceptable to NiKu whereas Sri NaMoji isn't, either the muslims who vote for Nitish are stupid or Nitish is stupid.
NaMo is unstoppable, The BJP is only delaying the inevitable, and so is the congress. NiKu can go on Haj but that still won't stop NaMoji from uprooting the dynasty and teaching the pakbarian neighbours a lesson that they will remember for eternity
NaMo is unstoppable, The BJP is only delaying the inevitable, and so is the congress. NiKu can go on Haj but that still won't stop NaMoji from uprooting the dynasty and teaching the pakbarian neighbours a lesson that they will remember for eternity
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If Nitish leaves he knows that Lalu backed by Congress will eventually chew him up. They will destroy his administration and make sure he never returns. Congress prefers a vassal, not a partner.
If Nitish stays his vote base will go to Modi. He knows this which would explain why he is causing so much noise. He just wants to keep himself relevant by playing the secular/communal card. At the end of the day, he will probably get his special status which just means more money in his pocket and a central government cabinet post in the event that NDA comes to power.
If Nitish stays his vote base will go to Modi. He knows this which would explain why he is causing so much noise. He just wants to keep himself relevant by playing the secular/communal card. At the end of the day, he will probably get his special status which just means more money in his pocket and a central government cabinet post in the event that NDA comes to power.