ricky_v wrote:
Rony sir, why would nationalists and antifa team up? The rioters were in for looting and destroying civic infrastructure and black guys did not get clipped, what was the motivation for nationalists? The second day little mogadishu was rioting, the us government declared antifa to be a terrorist organisation and twitter suspended their account. Very promptly, all the afflicted city mayors (all democrats) declared that the rioting was conducted by white nationalists, yes, very organic.
ok, i'll jump.
Rony sir, why would nationalists and antifa team up? The rioters were in for looting and destroying civic infrastructure and black guys did not get clipped, what was the motivation for nationalists?
No, they are not teaming up. White Nationalists are acting as agent provocateurs, in line with their gameplan. Race War is the goal in White Nationalists and their game plan is to mingle with the protesters and cause damage, and goad protesters to be violent. Numerous example on the internet and I saw that with my own eyes this weekend.
the us government declared antifa to be a terrorist organisation and twitter suspended their account.
Antifa is not an organisation like ISIS to be labelled as a terrorist organization. This is a term, populated by the right wing to term every non right wing protester. Sure, some protesters might call themselves as right wing. Just to give you some context, a loose example might be the Tukde-Tukde gang within Indian politics. It is not an organization, but we all know what "tukde-tukde" gang means. Within US/Trump context, Antifa fills a similar(not same) role. The account Twitter suspended is run by a white nationalist organization, in the name of Antifa, meaning a fake account.
Very promptly, all the afflicted city mayors (all democrats) declared that the rioting was conducted by white nationalists, yes, very organic
This is a political message, an exaggerated one, but there certainly is some truth to it. The point is to distinguish the protests because of genuine anger vs protests from opportunists. In the end, they are still riots, but the context absolutely matters.
Re: Understanding the US - Again
Posted: 03 Jun 2020 09:32
by vera_k
IMO the riots and looting are a smokescreen. There's not much of a body count, and the army's not deployed yet. They are more of a way to organize people for the upcoming elections.
Trump wants to designate antifa a terrorist organization, despite lack of authority and evidence of wrongdoing.
The FBI report, however, states that “based on CHS [Confidential Human Source] canvassing, open source/social media partner engagement, and liaison, FBI WFO has no intelligence indicating Antifa involvement/presence.”
Attorney General William Barr is facing demands to step down after the Washington Post reported Tuesday that the nation's top law enforcement official personally ordered police to beat back peaceful protesters gathered near the White House Monday evening to clear the path for President Donald Trump's walk to St. John's Episcopal Church.
"The attorney general conferred with law enforcement officials on the ground, which the official said is captured in a video of the incident," the Post reported. "He conferred with them to check on the status and basically said: 'This needs to be done. Get it done,' the Justice Department official said."
Re: Understanding the US - Again
Posted: 03 Jun 2020 10:01
by Yagnasri
We can not have two yardsticks. One can not say that we need to deploy army etc in Little Rock (admittedly it was decades back) to allow black kids to attend schools but can not deploy them to protect shops and business establishments from looting mobs. What is happening in the US is rioting and looting. They are not protests.
What the Dems who ruled most of the American Cities for decades did to promote racial equality? Nothing. The police chief in Dem, Mayor is a Dem, Governer is a Dem and even Prosecutor is a Dem then how did the murder took place and why there is an apprehension that there will not be any justice? Who is responsible for this apprehension? Trump? How is connected to this when the killer was having earlier complaints and Dem administrators took no action.
Now there is allegations that Russians are involved or White racists are involved. Told who supported the looting till yesterday are now saying this. MSM gangs are not even ready to condemn this even in an indirect way. Reports say five police personal are murdered since riots started. Who is responsible for that.
What we have in the US is the total grip of Urban Naxals US version on the narration and opinion-making. So all including the murder of cops is ok and no one not even Mike Pence will oppose this out of fear of being called a racist.
Re: Understanding the US - Again
Posted: 03 Jun 2020 10:17
by m_saini
Yagnasri wrote:We can not have two yardsticks. One can not say that we need to deploy army etc in Little Rock (admittedly it was decades back) to allow black kids to attend schools but can not deploy them to protect shops and business establishments from looting mobs. What is happening in the US is rioting and looting. They are not protests.
What the Dems who ruled most of the American Cities for decades did to promote racial equality? Nothing. The police chief in Dem, Mayor is a Dem, Governer is a Dem and even Prosecutor is a Dem then how did the murder took place and why there is an apprehension that there will not be any justice? Who is responsible for this apprehension? Trump? How is connected to this when the killer was having earlier complaints and Dem administrators took no action.
Now there is allegations that Russians are involved or White racists are involved. Told who supported the looting till yesterday are now saying this. MSM gangs are not even ready to condemn this even in an indirect way. Reports say five police personal are murdered since riots started. Who is responsible for that.
What we have in the US is the total grip of Urban Naxals US version on the narration and opinion-making. So all including the murder of cops is ok and no one not even Mike Pence will oppose this out of fear of being called a racist.
Trump and his christian nationalists were pretty gleeful when these "protest" were erupting in India. Now when it's their turn to face the same, we shouldn't be rushing to their support. Let them have it, they can manage just fine without us hindu nationalist worrying about the urban naxal attack on poor old Trump.
Re: Understanding the US - Again
Posted: 03 Jun 2020 10:34
by Mort Walker
m_saini wrote:
Trump and his christian nationalists were pretty gleeful when these "protest" were erupting in India. Now when it's their turn to face the same, we shouldn't be rushing to their support. Let them have it, they can manage just fine without us hindu nationalist worrying about the urban naxal attack on poor old Trump.
I don't recall Trump or his supporters being gleeful. This was right after Trump's visit to India. His visit brought out a lot of hate on India from the usual fibral Hollywood and leftists crowd on SM. The right wing was more concerned about not letting any more dirty brown people in the US, but gave better coverage of Trump's visit than MSM in the US from places like Breitbart.
Re: Understanding the US - Again
Posted: 03 Jun 2020 13:31
by Manish_Sharma
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Re: Understanding the US - Again
Posted: 03 Jun 2020 13:43
by Jay
Yagnasri wrote:We can not have two yardsticks. One can not say that we need to deploy army etc in Little Rock (admittedly it was decades back) to allow black kids to attend schools but can not deploy them to protect shops and business establishments from looting mobs.
Why cannot people use different yardsticks, hai ji? After all we do not use the same tool for every need. It was the National Guard that was called in Little Rock, not the Army. They were called to enforce the Brown vs Board of Education judgment ending segregation in US school, and to protect the Little Rock 9 from setting lynched.
What is happening in the US is rioting and looting. They are not protests.
Absolutely wrong. Protests are happening everywhere in the US and I'm not sure how you have missed these protests when they are getting blasted all over the news. I have been seeing them with my own eyes for the past 6-7 days. Unfortunately, looting also is happening. Even though a majority of the looters are Black, these groups of looters are distinctly different from protestots.
What the Dems who ruled most of the American Cities for decades did to promote racial equality? Nothing. The police chief in Dem, Mayor is a Dem, Governer is a Dem and even Prosecutor is a Dem then how did the murder took place and why there is an apprehension that there will not be any justice?
One thing I learned in US is that no matter which party is in charge, the power to dilute and reign in on corrupt police forces is always held at the federal level or the cops self police themselves. Where the dems and their admin are better at is hearing grievances, and passing minor reforms, and that's it. To give you an example, when the "stay at home" restrictions were passed by the state governor(dem), some local sheriffs publicly opposed these rules and said they will not enforce them. There is nothing the governor could have done. When a city's police force gets too violent for its own good, it usually goes into federal receivership, not state and the then managed by the justice department. All the camera laws, end to no knock raids, illegal seizure of property, stop and search were put to an end by dem establishments, and not by Republicans. So when people say that the Dems do not do anything, it comes across as naive.
Who is responsible for this apprehension? Trump? How is connected to this when the killer was having earlier complaints and Dem administrators took no action.
Trump by gutting the civil rights division of justice departments and stopping/reversing all the federal police reforms taken by earlier establishment is directly responsible for some of this. So does the Dem administrators and rightly so. Hence why Amy Klobuchar's Goose is cooked for good.
Now there is allegations that Russians are involved or White racists are involved
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Russians are involved in social media world, how can they not be. This is a text book opportunity for them to sow discord and I can't blame them for taking advantage. White racists are definitely involved, with their role being of the instigators, and causing general mayhem and nuisance.
Reports say five police personal are murdered since riots started. Who is responsible for that.
Where did you hear that?
What we have in the US is the total grip of Urban Naxals US version on the narration and opinion-making.
This time it has crossed beyond that. Many of my conservative colleagues and acquaintances so this as a legitimate reason for protests. The definately are opposed to the looting, but they concede that this is a genuine reason for a protest. Within my circle, only those who are hardcore Trump supporters are against these protests.
So all including the murder of cops is ok and no one not even Mike Pence will oppose this out of fear of being called a racist.
What are you talking about, DT is tweeting non stop opposing these protests. What else do you want. Murder of anyone is not OK, including the protesters.
Re: Understanding the US - Again
Posted: 03 Jun 2020 19:00
by darshan
If we are collecting anecdotes, none of my conservative friends and coworkers are for protests. Even my liberal friends, whom I call closet conservatives, aren't for protests either. They have all picked up on many things that people here have been picking up about urban naxals. Matter of fact when iron was hot, I even asked them to read few things up on urban naxals.
And representing both sides these people have been bickering whole day about politics in closed areas for ages. Personally, I didn't think that I would every see some of these ever warm up to Trump administration but these protests are mellowing them.
Re: Understanding the US - Again
Posted: 03 Jun 2020 19:38
by m_saini
Mort Walker wrote:
I don't recall Trump or his supporters being gleeful. This was right after Trump's visit to India. His visit brought out a lot of hate on India from the usual fibral Hollywood and leftists crowd on SM. The right wing was more concerned about not letting any more dirty brown people in the US, but gave better coverage of Trump's visit than MSM in the US from places like Breitbart.
A bipartisan group of U.S. senators wrote to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo earlier this month and said the citizenship law, combined with Modi’s actions in Kashmir, “threaten the rights of certain religious minorities and the secular character of the state.” The senators also expressed concerns about excessive force used against those protesting the law.
Critics have slammed the law as a violation of the country's secular constitution and have labeled it the latest effort by Modi's Hindu nationalist-led government to marginalize India's 200 million Muslims.
Re: Understanding the US - Again
Posted: 03 Jun 2020 19:58
by Ambar
As an outsider with no skin in the game and a curious onlooker of the current events in US, i am astonished how quickly things seems to have gotten so totally out of control. While peaceful protests in any democracy is a right, violent rioting,arson,looting and murderous attacks on law enforcement must be criticized vocally and put down with whatever means necessary within the confines of the legal system. There are hundreds of videos from DC, LA, San Francisco, Minneapolis etc of block after block of commercial establishment being looted or vandalized. The employees and business owners are victims too, they have right to demand that their lives ,livelihoods and investments be protected by the government.
From a third person view, looking at the US mainstream news sites there is hardly any news/opinions or criticism of vandalism and looting. Instead most if not all liberal media or center left media outlets only seem to be criticizing the US President, the white house and gleeful reporting of how protests have brought the country to its knees. This is where i disagree. While George Floyd despite his rather extensive criminal past was a victim of excess police force, and his family is right to demand justice, i really wish media and his supporters would also vocally, harshly criticize the looters and arsonists.
Similarly, while undoubtedly the black community has suffered from a racially partial police force, a judgmental society which stereotypes minorities especially black men, and a vast disparity in opportunities and income between whites and blacks, they unfortunately haven't done enough to introspect and bring changes within their own families, neighborhoods and societies. Case in point is the once a thriving industrial but now crumbling city of Baltimore. With just 1/3rd of Thane's population, Baltimore has clocked a shocking 350+ homicides/year for consequent years now. Such high crimes can also be seen in DC, Chicago, St Louis and other places where both the victims and the perpetrators of crimes are mostly blacks. Just like Baltimore burnt for days after Freddie Gray's death, and US is in tatters after George Floyd's death, i'd like to some day see a similar outrage in the black community against mindless crimes within their own communities.
Re: Understanding the US - Again
Posted: 03 Jun 2020 22:35
by Skanda
Ambar wrote:As an outsider with no skin in the game and a curious onlooker of the current events in US, i am astonished how quickly things seems to have gotten so totally out of control.
Also could not make sense of the protests in Amsterdam, London, Paris and NZ. These are not US expats/immigrants in these countries which are staging the protests but by citizens of these countries who have probably had no skin in the game in the first place. Especially, when things are not great in their countries themselves.
No protest of even half this scale for rape/continued-sexual-exploitation of girls belong to whites/sikhs/hindus by "South Asian" men, exploitation of aboriginal by NZ or the burning of Paris.
Some of the protest pictures in these cities in terms of scale is just unexplainable. Never knew all these folks care so much about blacks and white supremacy issues happening in the US.
Re: Understanding the US - Again
Posted: 03 Jun 2020 22:41
by Shameek
Military Helicopters Descend On Washington In Bizarre Very Low-Altitude Show Of Force Link
US Army UH-72 Lakota helicopters, as well as UH-60 Black Hawks, one possibly belonging to the Federal Bureau of Investigation, have been flying extremely low-level show-of-force maneuvers over areas of Washington, D.C. in obvious attempts to try to disperse groups protesting the police killing of George Floyd in Minneapolis, Minnesota last week. Some of the helicopters have held a hover right over groups of people, hitting them with their rotor wash and the deafening sound of their rotors and engines.
As you can see, the UH-60 in question has fully equipped operators, replete with suppressed carbines, hanging out of their doors, some of which have four-tube night vision goggles mounted on their helmets. HRT is America's most elite special tactics unit.
Other assets are involved in the overwatch missions beyond the usual police and agency helicopters, as well. U.S. Customs and Border Protection Dash-8 turboprops, which are heavily modified with advanced sensors, are flying missions out of Reagan National Airport. A Cessna Citation registered to the National Aircraft Leasing Corporation, but linked to the FBI, is also now orbiting over the D.C. area. Other fixed-wing aircraft have been seen flying high overhead, as well, some of which do not have their transponders on—which is another highly peculiar move.
The US government says it will block Chinese airlines from flying into the US in response to what it says is a policy that has prevented US carriers from service between the two countries.
The Transportation Department restrictions will take effect June 16 but could be enacted earlier if President Donald Trump decides to do so.
Re: Understanding the US - Again
Posted: 03 Jun 2020 23:13
by Mort Walker
m_saini wrote:
Mort Walker wrote:
I don't recall Trump or his supporters being gleeful. This was right after Trump's visit to India. His visit brought out a lot of hate on India from the usual fibral Hollywood and leftists crowd on SM. The right wing was more concerned about not letting any more dirty brown people in the US, but gave better coverage of Trump's visit than MSM in the US from places like Breitbart.
A bipartisan group of U.S. senators wrote to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo earlier this month and said the citizenship law, combined with Modi’s actions in Kashmir, “threaten the rights of certain religious minorities and the secular character of the state.” The senators also expressed concerns about excessive force used against those protesting the law.
Critics have slammed the law as a violation of the country's secular constitution and have labeled it the latest effort by Modi's Hindu nationalist-led government to marginalize India's 200 million Muslims.
That bipartisan group was the usual India baiters. Neither Pompeo or Trump brought this up during his visit.
"The bipartisan group of Senators Lindsey Graham, Todd Young, Chris Van Hollen and Dick Durbin asked the State Department for information in 30 days about the number of political detainees in Kashmir, restrictions on the internet and cell phone service, and access for foreign diplomats, journalists and observers."
Your 2nd link doesn't have any information about gleeful supporters. Those critics are the left.
Nothing you've shown indicates that Trump or his supporters were gleeful when the leftists/Islamists were rioting in February this year. I stand by my statement.
Re: Understanding the US - Again
Posted: 04 Jun 2020 00:50
by m_saini
Mort Walker wrote:
Nothing you've shown indicates that Trump or his supporters were gleeful when the leftists/Islamists were rioting in February this year. I stand by my statement.
Perhaps I used the wrong words or couldn't express clearly. What I meant was when these "protest" were happening in delhi, they weren't gleeful about the "pogroms" themselves, they were gleeful that they will get to browbeat us on the "religious discrimination" and "oppression of muslims and christians". The most Trump said was it was India's internal matter and that too when we were paying them billions for those apaches etc. I just don't get why we have to support the republicans now when it's their government who's indulging in "racial discrimination" and "oppression of blacks" when they didn't for us. The original poster was talking about how it was the dems and th urban naxals who's to blame, i thinks not.
Trump and his christian buddies need to answer for killing blacks. Here's what they think of india when it was the RSS doing the relief work.
David Curry, the leader of the Christian aid organization Open Doors, told Breitbart News on Wednesday that the group has received reports of Indian government officials sending Christian nurses to tend to the most contagious Chinese coronavirus patients because “they are considered dispensable.”
Re: Understanding the US - Again
Posted: 04 Jun 2020 01:24
by Suraj
m_saini, the purpose of this thread is not rona dhona about various US entities. Understanding begins when you put aside emotions and study them in depth.
Prosecutors charge 3 more officers in George Floyd’s death
By AMY FORLITI and TIM SULLIVAN https://apnews.com/b33f9d6420d570ab3f3f7afece67b6bb
MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — Prosecutors filed a tougher charge Wednesday against the police officer at the center of the George Floyd case and charged three other officers, delivering a victory to protesters galvanized by a death that roused racial tensions and unleashed coast-to-coast unrest.
One would know that even a newborn child would know how whites captured the world. Not sure why all the pretending about being shocked.
Australia joins protests against Floyd’s death, demand investigations on police brutality against Aboriginals https://www.foxnews.com/world/australia ... boriginals
Hundreds of Australians marched in solidarity through downtown Sydney on Tuesday protesting the death of George Floyd and demanding the country look at police brutality within its borders.
More than 1,000 marched from Hyde Park to New South Wales state parliament carrying banners that said: “Black Lives Matter,” “Aboriginal Lives Matter,” “White Silence is Violence” and “We See you, We Hear You, We Stand With You.”
Los Angeles has had more than a quarter of the national arrests, followed by New York, Dallas and Philadelphia. Many of the arrests have been for low-level offenses such as curfew violations and failure to disperse. Hundreds were arrested on burglary and looting charges.
It is not known how many of the people arrested were locked up — an issue at a time when many of the nation's jails are dealing with coronavirus outbreaks. The protesters are often placed in zip-ties and hauled away from the scene in buses.
A Los Angeles group called the Peoples City Council Fund as of Wednesday night had gathered more than $2 million for arrested protesters there through the online fundraising platform gofundme. More than 46,000 people donated mostly small amounts, some just $10 or $20. Fundraiser organizers said hundreds of thousands of the dollars raised will go to Black Lives Matter LA as well as the National Lawyers Guild, a progressive group that has been defending civil rights activists since the 1930s.
Re: Understanding the US - Again
Posted: 05 Jun 2020 05:59
by KLNMurthy
It is interesting how so many on this forum, including India-based folks, have been carrying on about public disorder in US is just so, so very out of control, and everything is breaking down.
I live literally a stone’s throw away from where some of the destruction has taken place. Lots of police & fire department sirens, helicopters making a racket. (Typical massa-style overpowering response by authorities where every cop is ready to blaze away whenever he feels he will get a boo-boo.) I am not a particularity brave guy. But never for a moment did I feel that my home & family are under threat. For a heavily-armed society, there were hardly any firearms deployed by the demonstrators / rioters or what you may call them. After some destruction & looting on Saturday and Sunday nights (which, by the way, police just stood by and watched, as they apparently didn’t have any concept of proportionate force, and they didn’t want to get involved in any more killings for now) things have pretty much calmed down this week, that too without significant heavy-handed police action. In this city at least.
Compared to the massive and violent demonstrations, bus- and train-burnings, killing of police, police firings and so on that were commonplace in the India of my youth, the disturbances here, at this time, are hardly more than rude noises.
In my early days in America, I used to be amused at the freak outs by white colleagues whenever their safety perception fell even slightly below 400%. From the terror-stricken “aartha-naadams” of our guys here, it looks like desi jingoes have arrived at that white first-world scared little-girl level of fragility. That’s progress, I suppose.
Or maybe it’s a generational thing.
Re: Understanding the US - Again
Posted: 05 Jun 2020 06:27
by Mort Walker
^^^With a proliferation of high quality small arms spread out among the entire population, things can go out of control in an instant.
Re: Understanding the US - Again
Posted: 05 Jun 2020 06:56
by ricky_v
Well, i only discuss these things because i understand that the destabilization is not enough in magnitude, though there are ingredients to keep it lit for a long time and to drive a knife in any and all cracks visible or not. The other is to use this forum so that the members drive fud in the us public, you know, befriend people on sm, share videos freely available but not widely circulated and make them question and hate their nation and its leadership and increase the state of their mental fragility, share videos of white people kissing black people's boots and watch them kvetch in all ways imaginable.
* Added later: share videos of black people looting and rioting and white women protecting them at all turns imaginable with white guys, share videos and tweets of black people calling for deportation of hispanics among that demographic, share videos of hispanics shooting at blacks, the possibilities are endless and the presence of schizos and thumb suckers on sm can yield many interesting combinations, that is the primary use of this thread for me anyways.
The last would be to show the other side of america that many of our citizens do not see, and share pictures and videos weakening their beliefs.
Re: Understanding the US - Again
Posted: 05 Jun 2020 13:56
by arshyam
KLNMurthy wrote:In my early days in America, I used to be amused at the freak outs by white colleagues whenever their safety perception fell even slightly below 400%. From the terror-stricken “aartha-naadams” of our guys here, it looks like desi jingoes have arrived at that white first-world scared little-girl level of fragility. That’s progress, I suppose.
Or maybe it’s a generational thing.
Or maybe it is just schadenfreude, plain and simple.
TBH saar, I am surprised that a senior poster like you didn't consider that angle before calling it fragility and what not.
Millennials are often perceived as coddled and frivolous, when in reality, many are struggling to meet basic needs. Thirty-year-old Nabilah Islam exemplifies the quintessential millennial dilemma: In the midst of a pandemic, she’s running in the Georgia Democratic primary for a U.S. House of Representatives seat with $30,000 in student loans to her name and no health insurance. As the child of working-class Bangladeshi immigrants, Islam lacks the cushion of generational wealth—her mother was recently laid off from a $14 an hour job because of the pandemic.
Re: Understanding the US - Again
Posted: 05 Jun 2020 17:52
by darshan
Using Hindu Dalits in India as host and using blacks as host in US.
KLNMurthy wrote:It is interesting how so many on this forum, including India-based folks, have been carrying on about public disorder in US is just so, so very out of control, and everything is breaking down.
Compared to the massive and violent demonstrations, bus- and train-burnings, killing of police, police firings and so on that were commonplace in the India of my youth, the disturbances here, at this time, are hardly more than rude noises.
In my early days in America, I used to be amused at the freak outs by white colleagues whenever their safety perception fell even slightly below 400%. From the terror-stricken “aartha-naadams” of our guys here, it looks like desi jingoes have arrived at that white first-world scared little-girl level of fragility. That’s progress, I suppose.
Or maybe it’s a generational thing.
Isnt "white flight" precisely because whites (and in many cases asians) felt a danger to their life and property and had a large exodus out of inner cities to safer suburbs ? Having seen my share of riots in India, even in India people in safer neighborhoods rarely feel threatened during riots. The general feeling is bad things happen in bad places and hence someone living in Worli, parts of Bandra or parel in Mumbai always think Jogeshwari/Dharavi is a world away. Same with someone living in Delhi's Vasant Vihar or Defense colony who would shrug their shoulders and walk away at the news of arson and riots in jhuggis.
The videos and images we saw of large scale looting, destruction and riots in US were just as bad as riots in India minus the "golibaar" that Indian police use as a last resort to save lives and further destruction. There may not have been train burning but we saw entire city blocks burning where public housing, commercial complexes were set on fire. Street after street of shops were looted,vandalized , cars parked in car dealerships smashed and tens and hundreds of police vehicles set ablaze. The thing with large crowds is there is no saying what they will do next. So if they vandalized those pretty little shops in the expensive Georgetown neighborhood of DC, the next time they may go after those multi-million dollar dwellings of wheelers and dealers of DC who live in the same neighborhood.
Re: Understanding the US - Again
Posted: 05 Jun 2020 20:11
by Jay
arshyam wrote:
KLNMurthy wrote:In my early days in America, I used to be amused at the freak outs by white colleagues whenever their safety perception fell even slightly below 400%. From the terror-stricken “aartha-naadams” of our guys here, it looks like desi jingoes have arrived at that white first-world scared little-girl level of fragility. That’s progress, I suppose.
Or maybe it’s a generational thing.
Or maybe it is just schadenfreude, plain and simple.
TBH saar, I am surprised that a senior poster like you didn't consider that angle before calling it fragility and what not.
He called the mindset "fragility" because that's what it's exactly is. I'm a member of one the neighborhood groups in the community which shares pictures, and nuggets of "suspicious people" and 9/10 times, whenever a Black person is in the neighborhood, I can see posts asking members who he/she is and what they are doing in there and 9/10 times, no crime was ever committed by that person. The fragility of some of these "white residents", democrat/republican alike when they encounter a person of color is absolutely amusing. Unless you have not noticed it, it will be hard for someone from India to comprehend it.
Re: Understanding the US - Again
Posted: 05 Jun 2020 20:37
by arshyam
^^ As far as I could tell, KLNM saar's talking about the fragility of (desi) jingoes, not white Americans'.
I know what you are referring to - an (overwhelmingly white) city I used to live in refused to have public transport as certain types of people would use it to move in and increase crime rates and depress property values, blah blah.
Re: Understanding the US - Again
Posted: 05 Jun 2020 21:19
by Suraj
Ambar wrote:Isnt "white flight" precisely because whites (and in many cases asians) felt a danger to their life and property and had a large exodus out of inner cities to safer suburbs ?
Not necessarily. White flight occurs in multiple contexts. Whites moved out of inner cities en masse after the Fair Housing Act of 1968 in the US. Until then, it was legal to have racially exclusionary covenants in property agreements, which quite literally required buyers to be from a particular race and prevented the subsequent sale of a home to anyone not of the white race . Until that time, not only were blacks largely forbidden from homeownership by such covenants, but quite literally not allowed to be present in many towns after sunset.
The US had a concept of 'Sundown town' which were towns were blacks were permitted to be in during day but had to leave by sunset - the police threw you out if you didn't comply. This wasn't rural Alabama or Mississippi but even Los Angeles. Sundown towns in the United States. Glendale, Burbank and Hawthorne are well known LA suburbs that were sundown towns - the latter had a sign at city limits 'Negro, don't let the sun set on you in Hawthorne!' Even Milpitas in the Bay Area was a sundown town, which is quite funny because the place famously stinks - literally.
The recent Hollywood movie, the Green Book was about the racial exclusion of blacks from many US cities. The Negro Motorist Green Book was a publication listing which towns, and within those towns, which establishments, served black people. When traveling, they depended on that book to avoid getting refused, thrown out or physically hurt.
They started going out of vogue in the 1960s, and many cities saw black families moving into areas and whites simply choosing to move away rather than interact and integrate. Many such neighborhoods were deprioritized by the city management, with spending on services and schools progressively going down as the destinations of flight got priority, since the local political leadership was still mostly white. This happened even in places like Philadelphia which have high historical black populations and supposedly more 'liberal' systems. In fact during the recent protests there was controversy over the statue of a former corrupt/racist mayor being defaced. The issue was not about it being defaced, but that the city cleaned it up quickly.
White flight also happens in the context of competition - here in the bay area, several neighborhoods saw white flight as Asians/Indians started dominating a neighborhood because they schools started becoming extremely competitive, e.g. Cupertino saw lots of white families move away to places like Walnut Creek or way out into Sacramento suburbs like Roseville.
