Bharat Rakshak

darshhan wrote:

I can understand, how, in an emotional frenzy (26/11) we might feel that vast amounts of killing are going to solve the problem, but I don't get how sane people, especially those who consider themselves "strategists" could honestly suggest this.

India itself is not wiping out people.

Why would an Indian suggest this is a good solution?

First of all Israel is not wiping out any people.They are just targeting terrorists belonging to Hamas.It is the Hamas which shelters among the innocents thereby increasing the risk to some civilians.In the past couple of years Hamas has launched thousands of qassam rockets leaving israel with no choice but to respond appropriately.

Some will accuse Israel of using disproportionate force.Well it would have been better if Israel would also have launched thousands of rockets into gaza as part of proportionate response.Many more civilians would have been killed.

But Israel did the right thing and this is not tolerable to "leftist/socialist/liberal/jihadist/islamist mindset".

Secondly it is the govt. which goes to war and in my opinion and most of other indians that I have talked to Indian govt. consists of WIMPs and IMPOTENT politicians.It is India's government which consists of cowards.It is not the fault of Israeli govt.Just because terrorists come and spread mayhem in India with impunity, it does not mean that Israelis should suffer same violence.Their govt. has guts and our govt. does not have it.Period.

Also how did you come to the conclusion that I was suffering from emotional frenzy post 26/11.Infact the truth is totally opposite.I am completely objective when I state that the jihadis have to be eliminated to the last man and this has nothing to do with 26/11.I was always aware of the dangers posed by jihadists/Islamists.

The above reasons are why an Indian would give such a suggestion.

P.S. I have taken a solemn oath that I will never submit to Islam and Sharia law.I will never live as a Dhimmi.Never shall I pay jiziya or be relegated to second class citizenship.To maintain my freedom I will die if I have to but more importantly I will also kill if I have to.

darshhan ji,

Nice P.S.

Do you know how to drive a truck?


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RajeshA wrote:India and Israel can be friends because we are not neighbors, and that is a good thing.

I have found myself wondering what if an agreement could be arrived upon whereby, the people of Kashmir (Paki occupied and indian territorial Kashmir) were to betransplanted/relocated en mass to...present day Israel, and the Israelis were to be instead moved over into Kashmir?The city of Jerusalem could be assigned to international peacekeeping forces so as to allow access to the three religions that consider it most sacred

Would this not throw a spanner on the evil designs of the Islamic Caliphate (with Pakistan and KSA) and possibly end their designs to conquer the subcontinent? The dual forces of Israel and India would be indomitable, and the geostrategic dynamics of South Asia would be changed forever.

DEBKAfile Special Analysis

February 8, 2009

All too quickly Israel's three war leaders - prime minister Ehud Olmert, defense minister Ehud Barak and foreign minister Tzipi Livni - forgot the goals they set for the three-week military offensive launched against Hamas on Dec. 27, 2008: That Operation Cast Lead would not halt until security prevailed in southern Israel, that the eight-year Palestinian missile offensive be brought to an end and that Hamas never be allowed to rearm for a fresh assault of terror.

Six weeks later, the Islamists terrorists are reaping the spoils of a war they lost.

Jerusalem is feeding Egyptian mediators with concession after concession to keep Hamas at the negotiating table in Cairo and talking about a long-term truce. Frustrated Israeli commanders warn their victory is being traded to buy undreamed-of gains for Hamas, such as the creeping recognition of the Palestinian Islamist group as the Gaza Strip's legitimate ruling power and acceptance of the enclave's status as a forward Iranian base on Israel's southern border. The deal on the table in Cairo would moreover lead to perpetuating the separation between the pro-Western West Bank and the pro-Iranian Gaza Strip, generating a fixed impediment to any discussion of a potential Palestinian state.

Saturday, Feb. 7, defense minister Barak Hamas granted safe passage to Hamas leader Mahmoud A-Zahar to come out of hiding in Gaza for the first time since the hostilities began. He flew to Cairo and on to Damascus to deal with the release of the Israeli soldier Gilead Shalit, held since he was kidnapped in 2006. By this concession, Barak gave Tehran, from which Hamas-Damascus takes direct orders, the last word on all these transactions.

Barak is believed to have promised Egypt that other Hamas leaders may also safely emerge from their bunkers as long as the Cairo negotiations continue, even though Hamas has made no commitments of any kind and continues to shoot missiles into Israel as well as smuggling arms.

As Israel's general election looms Tuesday, Feb. 10, Barak, who leads the Labor party, and his colleagues are disseminating pink clouds of optimism while pursuing steps that reverse the goals of Operation Cast Lead: They are solidifying Hamas' strength and its grip on the Gaza Strip for years to come.

DEBKAfile's military sources count eight areas in which the outgoing government is relinquishing assets to Hamas:

1. Military attacks on Palestinian military targets have been suspended in the Gaza Strip. Hamas has offered nothing in return except for an oral undertaking to Egypt to try and keep the level of missile fire down. The Israeli air force responds to each salvo by bombing empty Palestinian buildings and sand dunes.

2. Israel has suspended targeted strikes against Hamas leaders and commanders according to an understanding with Cairo.

3. According to another understanding, Israel will allow an increasing number of supply trucks and types of freights to enter the Gaza crossings daily.

This is a virtual surrender to Hamas' demands for fully opened crossings (translation: end of Israel's embargo of the Gaza Strip). Hamas has not been held to any guarantee for ending its smuggling of arms - or any other quid pro quo.

4. Israel has also promised Egypt to gradually lift its naval blockade of Gaza.

5. Jerusalem has given ground on its initial demand to remove Hamas from the crossings and pass them to Palestinian Authority control. The deal emerging is for foreign monitors to be posted on those crossings and report to Hamas. This is another form of Israeli recognition of the Palestinian extremists' rule of the Gaza Strip and its control of Israel's southwestern frontier.

If approved, it would also perpetuate the divide between the pro-Iranian entity in the Gaza Strip ruled by Hamas and the pro-Western territory of the West Bank under the control of its rival, Mahmoud Abbas' Palestinian Authority, which Hamas kicked out of the Gaza Strip in 2007

Israeli military sources warn that the eventual upshot of these Israeli concessions will be the collapse of Abbas' rule. Hamas will be able to use the Gaza Strip as a jumping-off base for taking over the West Bank as well.

It is a matter Israeli national policy to withhold recognition from the Palestinian Hamas – which the US and European Union also list as a terrorist organization for its commitment to violence and Israel's destruction. Yet, by knuckling under on this point, Israeli authorities will find themselves engaging Hamas officials willy-nilly in the day-to-day management of the shared border crossings.

6. Many of the soldiers who took part in the Gaza offensive declared that their mission was unfinished because Gilead Shalit remained in captivity. Instead of using its military feat to improve the chances for his release, Israel has allowed itself to be cornered here too. Hamas has upped its demand for the release of 1,000 jailed Palestinian terrorists including convicted multiple murderers of the Fatah, Tanzim, Popular Front and Hamas, which Israel was inclined to accept. Now the price has gone up to 1,250 inmates, all of whom are to be released at the Gaza crossings. The West Bank residents will be sent home later.

7. Israel has agreed to leave the monitoring of Hamas' arms smuggling in Egypt's hands, although Cairo's past record is notoriously wanting. For years, Egyptian police looked the other way as Hamas imported massive quantities of weapons through Sinai.

8. Not by a single word is Hamas required to dismantle its armed strength. Israel is therefore seen to be accepting the presence of an armed terrorist force on its border.

February 18, 2009, 12:37 PM (GMT+02:00)

One of the hi-tech gadgets the Israeli Defense Forces exhibited at its Southern Command headquarters Tuesday, Feb. 17, was EyeBall, the size of a tennis ball. Tossed into a closed area it relays a 360-degree picture of its interior in 15 seconds. Made by ODF Optronics, Tel Aviv, this was one of the gadgets Israeli troops used in last month's Gaza operation to detect the booby traps with which Hamas wired homes, schools and bunkers.

Also used was an array of robots armed with cameras. One of these indestructible spies is the tiny EyeDrive, a four-wheel, remote-controlled robot which can go up and down stairs emitting a continuous stream of audio and video surveillance.

Tested for the first time in Gaza was the Matador, a shoulder-launched high-penetration missile. It was developed by Rafael after Israeli infantry in the 2006 Lebanon War were unable to hit Hizballah positions inside buildings and bunkers without tanks or helicopters. A single soldier using a Matador missile can bring down a fortified building without bulldozers or tanks. It is precise enough to drive a hole in a wall without destroying the interior of a building.

The Sky Rider miniature drone, which can be launched by three soldiers, relays images blocked by buildings to a commander's wrist-watch screen.

As for heavy hardware, the IDF launched a new armored personnel carrier, Tiger (Namer) which provides its crew with high steel protection, behind which they can use its hi-tech weaponry and electronics without exposing themselves to attack.

shyamd wrote:Our Israeli Birathars have been trading intelligence notes with ISI for a year now. Zardari even met with Israeli Foreign ministry officials in Europe and other places "to ascertain the nationalities of the terrorists involved in Mumbai attacks". More later.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle ... 901486.stm

Benjamin Netanyahu, the leader of the right-of-centre Likud party, has been asked to form Israel's next government.

Mr Netanyahu said Israel faced "great challenges" including the global economic crisis and what he said was Iran's wish to obtain nuclear weapons.

He said he would try to form a unity government with his political rivals.

shyamd wrote:Our Israeli Birathars have been trading intelligence notes with ISI for a year now. Zardari even met with Israeli Foreign ministry officials in Europe and other places "to ascertain the nationalities of the terrorists involved in Mumbai attacks". More later.

Gerard wrote:Israel's military supplies to India

Toronto, ON, Canada, — India’s main supplier of advanced military hardware is Israel. In the 1990s India took a major decision to procure arms from Israel after its much-touted Defense Research and Development Organization failed to develop any high-end weapons systems.

India, Israel defence trade crosses $10b with Phalcon deal

Rahul Datta | New Delhi

As the first Israeli made Phalcon AWAC(airborne early warning system) lands in India next month, the race between Israel and Russia will hot up for the biggest defence partner of India. This deal for the

IAF is for three Phalcons worth over $ 1.1 billion and Israel has already crossed the $10 billion mark in defence trade with India and the ties continue to grow stronger and robust.

By the time other two state-of-the-art Phalcons join the IAF by the end of this year, the overall trade figures between India and Israel will tell a different story. The main reason for the fast-growing ties between the two countries is Israel's willingness to part with the latest technology and knowhow to India without any strings attached.

In fact, Israel has, time and again, defied the US also in these matters and the Phalcon deal is one such example when the US had serious reservations about Israel supplying latest technology to India, sources said here on Tuesday.

The other crucial factor in strengthening of defence relations between the two countries is Israel and India joining hands in several key research and development projects. The Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) is playing a major role in this field and nearly 30 of its projects, which were stalled due to denial of cutting edge technology, are now on track courtesy agreements with their Israeli counterparts, they said.

Israel is acknowledged as the world leader in research and development and manufacturing hi-tech equipment for all kinds of weapons used by the three services, avionics, electronic warfare systems, upgradation of tanks, guns, ships and aircraft.

They are also world leaders in manufacturing systems for fighting terrorism and checking infiltration and our 750-km long anti-infiltration along the Line of Control (LOC) in Jammu and Kashmir has deployed several Israeli made thermal imagers and detection systems.

The Israeli industry and the DRDO are now heavily engaged in projects like upgradation of crucial systems like missiles, radars and Israel has already supplied the technology of its best known Greenpine radar to India, sources said adding this technology has hugely helped the DRDO and other agencies in developing missiles.

Similarly, the air defence system, which is comparatively weak at the moment, will see greater Israeli presence in the next few months. The Israeli industry is keenly eyeing the upgradation contract for the radars to detect low-flying aircraft and is already engaged in a joint development project with the DRDO on radars, sources said.

One more important area of involvement is the Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAV) and the two countries have already inked deals for buying off the shelf UAV and collaboration in development of UAVs with the DRDO.

Having supplied Barak anti-ship cruise to the Indian Navy, Israel and India are now jointly working on the development of the second and third generation of Barak missiles as this system has proved to be very effective.

Given this intense defence relationship between the two countries, which started only after the two countries established diplomatic relations in 1990, Israel, however, will take some more years to upstage Russia as the number one partner of India, they said.

Citing plausible reasons, they said Israel lacks the industrial infrastructure to manufacture really big-ticket items like warships, fighter aircraft and tanks to name a few. Russia beats Israel in this field and continues to be a steadfast partner of India for the last 40 years.

At present, India uses more than 70 per cent inventory including weapons and systems of erstwhile Soviet Union and Russia and India continues to rely heavily on Russia. To give an example, we have just bought more than 300 T-90 main battle tanks from Russia, inked an agreement for joint development of a fifth generation fighter aircraft and multi-role transport aircraft.

The Admiral Gorshkov aircraft carrier deal, which is witnessing some controversies with Russia jacking up the price over the agreed contract price, is another big-ticket item.

However, the relationshp with Israel is growing at great speed despite the Left raising objections and the UPA Government ignoring even when the Left was supporting the Congress-led alliance.

Moreover, the defence bonds have expanded rather quietly over the years and Israel has always maintained low profile while talking about ties with India in this sphere. The trade volume, however, gives away the secret and Israel is slowly closing the gap even as Russia continues to notch up trade worth over $ 1.5 billion with India every year.

http://www.dailypioneer.com/161908/Indi ... -deal.html

Doesn't sound like it has any of the ingredients for one of those classically romantic Indian films does it? Trust me. You truly have no idea how bad, or hilarious, this could be until you see it.

The first thing watchers will notice is that the "archetypal Indian" dancers may have olive-coloured skin, but they are not in the slightest bit Indian. In fact, they're quite obviously Middle Eastern in appearance - probably Sephardic, or oriental, Israelis - and the male lead is even more blatantly Israeli-looking than his colleagues.

And then, the song. Not only does listening to the music itself feel like enduring a series of sharp stomach cramps, but the lyrics hardly conform to the type of lustful, emotional lines we're used to in Bollywood.

....Either the firm's Indian hosts will (like us in The Times newsroom) have found the video so funny that they fell off their chairs laughing and awarded the contract to Rafael out of sympathy - or, one imagines, the firm will only have succeeded in offending those that they meant to impress.

joshvajohn wrote:India needs to strenghthen the relationship with Israel, particularly in providing intelligence information.

At this point India is the only country that can mediate between the moderate Palestinian Muslims and the Israelis in a genuine way.

The long term solution for Palestinians in achieving their own independence on the one hand and protection and wellbeings of Israelis on the other hand can beachieved only when the Palestinian moderate Muslims take over the power and make sure the Jihadis of Saudis and AFgans are not controlled by outsiders and do not posses heavy arms against Isarelis.

It needs a long term negotiation but is possible. Palestinian Hamas and other anti Israelis cannot be contained by Israelis themselves rather by the Palestinian themselves through moderate and reasonble Arfat groups only.

The Israeli industry is keenly eyeing the upgradation contract for the radars to detect low-flying aircraft and is already engaged in a joint development project with the DRDO on radars,

India needs to strenghthen the relationship with Israel, particularly in providing intelligence information. At this point India is the only country that can mediate between the moderate Palestinian Muslims and the Israelis in a genuine way. The long term solution for Palestinians in achieving their own independence on the one hand and protection and wellbeings of Israelis on the other hand can beachieved only when the Palestinian moderate Muslims take over the power and make sure the Jihadis of Saudis and AFgans are not controlled by outsiders and do not posses heavy arms against Isarelis. It needs a long term negotiation but is possible. Palestinian Hamas and other anti Israelis cannot be contained by Israelis themselves rather by the Palestinian themselves through moderate and reasonble Arfat groups only.

darshhan wrote:What do you mean by moderate muslims?Both Fatah and Hamas envisage the destruction of israel.Hamas does it openly while fatah is little bit more disreet.Also by the way there is hardly any saudi or afghan participation in palestinian terror groups.

shyamd wrote:No arab nation recognizes israel, so I presume the same for Hamas and Fatah. But they are willing to recognise it if, Israel returns to the 1967 borders I think

LETTER FROM YASSER ARAFAT TO PRIME MINISTER RABIN:

September 9, 1993

Yitzhak Rabin
Prime Minister of Israel

Mr. Prime Minister,

The signing of the Declaration of Principles marks a new era in the history of the Middle East. In firm conviction thereof, I would like to confirm the following PLO commitments:

The PLO recognizes the right of the State of Israel to exist in peace and security.

The PLO accepts United Nations Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338.

The PLO commits itself to the Middle East peace process, and to a peaceful resolution of the conflict between the two sides and declares that all outstanding issues relating to permanent status will be resolved through negotiation

The PLO considers that the signing of the Declaration of Principles constitutes a historic event, inaugurating a new epoch of peaceful coexistence, free from violence and all other acts which endanger peace and stability. Accordingly, the PLO renounces the use of terrorism and other acts of violence and will assume responsibility over all PLO elements and personnel in order to assure their compliance, prevent violations and discipline violators.

In view of the promise of a new era and the signing of the Declaration of Principles and based on Palestinian acceptance of Security Council Resolutions 242 and 338, the PLO affirms that those articles of the Palestinian Covenant which deny Israel's right to exist, and the provisions of the Covenant which are inconsistent with the commitments of this letter are now inoperative and no longer valid. Consequently, the PLO undertakes to submit to the Palestinian National Council for formal approval the necessary changes in regard to the Palestinian Covenant.

Sincerely,

Yasser Arafat
Chairman
The Palestine Liberation Organization

ARTICLE 2

GENERAL PRINCIPLES

The Parties will apply between them the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations and the principles of international law governing relations among states in times of peace. In particular:

1. They recognise and will respect each other's sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence;

2. They recognise and will respect each other's right to live in peace within secure and recognised boundaries;

Article III

1. The Parties will apply between them the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations and the principles of international law governing relations among states in times of peace. In particular:

1. They recognize and will respect each other's sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence;
2. They recognize and will respect each other's right to live in peace within their secure and recognized boundaries;

After consultations between the governments of the two countries, with the help of the government of the United States, it has been decided that the diplomatic representation between the Islamic Republic of Mauritania and Israel to be updated to the level of embassy. On this occasion I would like to express my deep thanks to Mrs. Albright for the great efforts made in this regard in order to come to this conclusion.