Hitesh wrote:What happened if we had another modern day equivalent of Hitler or Stalin that was totally determined to start a world war no matter what. Imagine Osama Bin laden with the resources of a state like Germany at his disposal.
Hi Hitesh,
I think that is where nuclear deterrence comes in to effect. Stalin was deterrable. So was Mao. So was Khomeini, so was Saddam, and so is Kim Jong-Il.
And now that the world know what nuclear weapons are it is very unlikely that any *national* movement, even a religious one will entrust someone with a Hitlerite death-wish with nuclear weapons.
Hitesh wrote:After WWI ended, they did an assessment of how effective the gas warfare was and combined with the modern advances in warfare such as tank warfare that quickly made trench warfare obsolete, it was no surprise that military commanders questioned the effectiveness and utility of such weapons and whether it gave a bang for the buck. It didn't and as an effective military option, it quickly died out. But one form of chemical warfare did persisted and that was the use of napalm.
a) Napalm is not a chemical weapon, it is an incendiary, but a particularly horrible one, like white phosphorous
b) chemical weapons never went out of style as far as military planning between the world wars. If anything they got steadily more lethal with the development of sophisticated nerve gasses to replace the crude earlier blister agents. Both the Soviets and us in NATO assumed offensive use on the battlefield in Europe if the balloon ever went up - most of that horrible cumbersome NBC kit and decontamination procedures was expected for chemical warfare as much as radioactive fallout.
The decision not employ them, and then to pursue their elimination was a fundamentally political decision, not a military one.
The Egyptians battlefield use of blister agents on the North Yemeni insurgency in the 1960s is a matter of record, and the heavy use by Iran and Iraq in the 1980s is also well known. Iraq would have almost certainly used gas on Coalition forces in 1991 if they had not been warned of severe consequences.
During Operation Linebacker II and other operations involving the use of carpet bombing, they were used against urban centers in Hanoi during Vietnam and the damages were so devastating that the North Vietnamese came to the peace negotiating table because they wanted the bombing to stop. It was effectively killing the cities of North Vietnam. 3 million North Vietnamese civilians died in those carpet bombing.
I'm not sure where you are getting your numbers and some of these facts from.
By the Vietnamese government's most recent figures (1995) 2 million Vietnamese civilians were killed in the *entire* war, and that is in both north and south, and at the hands of the South Vietnamese, North Vietnamese, and US governments.
Linebacker II was nothing like Dresden or Tokyo which aimed to burn entire cities down - instead what they targeted ports, rail yards, POL storage, bridges, airfields, radars, SAM sites, and military factories - the kind of 'point' targets that the US 8th Air Force had such trouble hitting in WWII, but which 30 years later with computers was much simpler.
Even so the USAF did not send B-52s to hit targets in central Hanoi and Haiphong for fear of civilian casualties.
Thanks to this, as well as N.Vietnamese civilian evacuations and civil defence measures the number of civilian casualties was in the region of 2,000 people, *and* most of Hanoi was certainly still standing at the end of the campaign.
There are no shortage of pictures of what Berlin and Tokyo looked like after the bombers reduced them - hundreds and hundreds of square miles of burned out shells and rubble, and greasy, ashy spots where people were incinerated.
Please see Marshall Michel's "The 11 Days of Christmas"
Johann wrote:But on the other hand if utilized properly in conjunction with a ground invasion, it can demoralize the enemy and make the enemy lose the will to fight knowing that they will be killed more brutally if they continue to resist.
Please see "The Bomber War" by Neillands for a more detailed history of strategic bombing in the European theatre.
The area bombing of cities as envisioned in WWII was meant to take the war to the home front, to break morale, reduce support for the war, and hinder production and the war economy. It is meant as a warm-up, or in the best case scenario a substitute.
These are exactly the kinds of strategic aims of terrorism, and just like terrorism the justice of the cause, and the awfulness of the foe are not sufficient justification.
My point about Korea is that the assumptions that were true about German and Japanese cities were absolutely untrue about Korean towns and villages. Bombing them was not only wrong but strategically unproductive at best, but in truth actually strategically detrimental.