Telangana Monitor

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 13 Dec 2009 00:44

Angry Andhra MPs may endanger UPA government

Andhra Pradesh now faces the specter of President's Rule due to the political instability prevalent in the state with the resignations of a large number of legislators over the Telangana issue, questions are also being asked whether the happenings in Andhra Pradesh cast their shadow on the Manmohan Singh led-United Progressive Alliance government in New Delhi.

The question assumes significance in view of the fact that many of the Congress MPs from coastal Andhra and Rayala Seema regions are inclined to put in their papers under mounting public pressure. They are unhappy with the decision of the Congress leadership to start the process for the formation of a seperate Telangana.

The Congress had won 33 of the 42 Lok Sabha seats in Andhra Pradesh making it the biggest contingent of Congress MPs from single state in the country. 21 of these MPs were elected from the Andhra and Rayala Seema regions and 12 won from Telangana.

Three of the MPs from coastal Andhra have already sent their resignations. They include Lagdapati Rajgopal of Vijaywada, Venkatram Reddy from Anantapur and SPY Reddy from Nandyal. After the resignation of 20 ministers and 140 legislators, the MPs were also facing the heat from their supporters to take a bold step. If they too send in their resignations, the UPA too will feel the tremors of the Andhra- Telangana fallout.

The Congress central leadership was already busy in discussions with many of these MPs. The main trouble shooter of UPA and finance minister Pranab Mukherjee had a round of talks with them and tried to persuade them against any hasty decision.

It was obvious that the high command was caught unawares by the intensity of the opposition to the stand on Telangana in the other two regions. According to the sources, Pranab Mukherjee wondered aloud before the MPs how they can oppose the decision on Telangana having repeated so many times in the past five years that they will accept the final decision of party president Sonia Gandhi. He drew their attention that only a few days back the Congress legislature party had passed one line resolution leaving the final decision on Telangana to All India Congress Committee president Sonia Gandhi.

Mukherji was dumb struck by their reply. "We did not know that the people in our regions were against Telangana to this extent".

TKiran · Post by **TKiran** » 13 Dec 2009 01:00

ramana wrote:In Telugu there is saying "Tellanivi anni paalu kaadu" - Everything white is not milk. Or as they say in West "Just because you are paranoid, doesn't mean there is nobody out to get you!"

PC is there at the core of the current crisis and it wasn't due to hastiness. Eventually it will come out.

I Think the Solution for this Crisis is that there should be 4 year trial period for the Telangana to have a separate Assembly, and CM etc., when they should show how they are going to address the issues, such as backwardness, Water etc., after 4 years, automatically the Telangana should be merged with the Rest of Andhra Pradesh, and the consensus process as suggested by PC should be tried. There should be only one Andhra Pradesh for the Consensus.

I am suggesting this solution, as getting split is easy, and re-uniting is impossible. All this "Telangana People are Victimized" is non-sense, as politically Telangana People have rejected the Idea of Separate Telangana, when they could have voted for "MahaKootami" or PRP in the recent elections, who have supported the idea of Separate Telangana State. Rajasekhar Reddy clearly knew the mood of the people, and also their inner most desire to keep the state together. People voted for United Andhra Pradesh, otherwise TeluguDesam could have easily swept the State. It is difficult for the ordinary people on the street to understand the sacrifices made by the great men to achieve United Andhra. People dont have time to understand the History, nor are they interested to hear about the History. All their worry is "What will happen to Hyderabad?".

But one thing I must say, PC (Tamilian) and Veerappa Moily (Kannadiga), in order to call their Bluff of Fence Sitters (Both TDP and PRP were fence sitters, as they could not clearly say that they were for United Andhra, they wanted to be politically correct, so that they would not loose the Telangana People Support by saying this, though everyone including Telangana People, except for TRS guys, are for United Andhra Pradesh) and take this opportune time to Kill the very Progressive Telugu State to be split, has made a master stroke, Andhra will never be the same again.

The split has already been made, The Tamilians and Kannadigas have a great deal of Takleef with the Telugu People.

The Telugu People are trying hard to be united. PC should not have said that. It is all over for Andhra Pradesh, except for an Innovative Solution as suggested above. People of Telangana would realize the history and sacrifices, when they are left alone, but they should still have an option to join hands with the rest of the State. It is so cruel of PC and Moily to backstab Andhra Pradesh. Only 3 people could do such a great Damage to the State is really unthinkable and Unimaginable (PC, Moily and KCR).

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 13 Dec 2009 01:04

If GOI wants to create a state for administrative/resource-allocation/poverty-alleviation purposes, it doesn’t need the state assembly to pass a resolution under Article 3 (SwamyG garu posted this somewhere). INC is undermining the interests of Telugu people (irrespective of whether they have one state or 27 states) by pushing its own INC govt in AP to put forward a divisive bill in AP assembly. That is the crux of the problem.

After nearly 400 years, the Telugus united under the state of AP and achieved significant all-around progress in the past 60 years. The costal-Andhra and Rayalaseema telugus invested their wealth, time, hard work and innovation to the betterment of entire Andhra Pradesh. The current development has all its key players, be it Sonia, Rahul, PC, MMS, or Pranab-da, outside the problem area.

The recent development reminds me a common scenario. One brother owns land and agrees to build a nice home where all brothers can live. Once the beautiful house is built, the brother demands all others to leave the home because he owns the land.

I am against the POV that we should not discuss a point, because it raises tempers. That means people agree that they cannot control their temper if someone presents an opposing perspective. It is nothing but escapist mindset.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 13 Dec 2009 01:05

http://www.hindu.com/2009/12/13/stories/2009121355370100.htm

In Nellore district, agitators, apparently upset with Union Home Minister P. Chidambaram’s announcement on Telangana, forcibly shut the gates of the Kandaleru reservoir across the Telugu Ganga Canal from where 2,000 cusecs of water from the Krishna is supplied to Chennai. Separately, an outfit called the Andhra Intellectual Forum gave a call to detain all Chennai-bound trains.

Chief Minister K. Rosaiah appealed to the agitators to refrain from targeting Tamil Nadu and Tamilians. Talking to The Hindu, he said “Such developments are totally uncalled for and send the wrong signals. An isolated incident can result in more such similar actions,” he said and pointed out that a large number of Telugu speaking people resided in Chennai, Coimbatore and other parts of Tamil Nadu.

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 13 Dec 2009 01:19

Let's not even reduce it to mere ethnic groups - the fact is that there are all kinds of groups in society who might be better off living apart from each other, and who may at least wish to live apart. There can be clashing socio-economic groups who are constantly in conflict.

Not everybody has equal values or leans towards equally good lifestyle choices. The fact is that some have healthier lifestyles than others, along with healthier values. The presence of more states means the presence of more alternatives for the citizenry. I am in favour of this, rather than seeing everyone trapped under one Mayawati, or trapped under one YSR, or trapped under one Karunanidhi.

vasu_ray · Post by **vasu_ray** » 13 Dec 2009 01:22

well, all the govt. funds disbursed at the central and state levels should be accounted for since independence, some regions stand out distinctly, normalizing their development should be the priority than carving princely states

all the development related statistics such as per capita income should be computed at the micro level

from a governance perspective, our democracy has so far ensured name sake representation, not accountability, this applies to both people's representatives and bureaucrats

since our leaders & bureaucrats are biased be it at the centre or state or even lower levels of governance, these micro level statistics should be the guide on allocation of development funds with judiciary (they should get their act right in the first place) to be able to rule on any violations considering them as social and economic offenses, essentially formalizing a process that usually is dealt in an adhoc manner of politics, agitations and accusations

while private enterprise have no such bounds on them, govts are there for a reason

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 13 Dec 2009 01:29

In support of Ramana-ji’s point:

KCR’s fast-unto-death is preplanned says KE Krishna Murthy - TDP leader

Translation of the news item (dated 12/12/09 Eenadu News Paper)

The plan for KCR’s fast-unto-death agitation is hatched by certain UPA leaders including Mohd Patel. The plan encouraged KCR, who is diabetic, to take up fasting so that they can create a pretext to split the state on Sonia Gandhi’s birth day {I don't understand this dhimmitude of Congress (both telugu and others) leaders in kissing Sonia's feet, especially outside the established governance model }

PC planned this because he is jealous of AP’s contribution to UPA govt, 32 MPs – highest contributing state, and its growing economic importance.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 13 Dec 2009 01:35

Muppalla wrote: It was obvious that the high command was caught unawares by the intensity of the opposition to the stand on Telangana in the other two regions. According to the sources, Pranab Mukherjee wondered aloud before the MPs how they can oppose the decision on Telangana having repeated so many times in the past five years that they will accept the final decision of party president Sonia Gandhi. He drew their attention that only a few days back the Congress legislature party had passed one line resolution leaving the final decision on Telangana to All India Congress Committee president Sonia Gandhi.

Mukherji was dumb struck by their reply. "We did not know that the people in our regions were against Telangana to this extent".

Well, I expected wide spread problems, but I didn't expect the awesome unison within a few hours across hundreds of kilometers and among 5-6 crores of people. I'm happy of the Kakatiya and Vijayanagara spirit to fight among Telugus. I only wish Telengana people remember their Kakatiya spirit and shake out the Nizam dhimmitude.

Center should rethink their heavy-handedness and political shenanigans on AP and on other states too. They should be Tigers dealing with outside issues like Pakistan and China. As they in Telugu, Center government is like "Intilo puli Veedilo pilli" (Tiger in the house pussycat outside). They need to reverse that.

joshvajohn · Post by **joshvajohn** » 13 Dec 2009 01:42

Gouravam for all
http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_go ... ll_1323045

States reorganisation panel should have been set up: NCP
http://trak.in/news/states-reorganisati ... ncp/35072/

Sanjay M · Post by **Sanjay M** » 13 Dec 2009 01:44

http://www.hindustantimes.com/newdelhi/ ... 85932.aspx

Amid the demand for statehood for Telangana in Andhra Pradesh, Uttar Pradesh Chief Minister Mayawati’s proposal for her state’s trifurcation has brought into focus the state’s demographics.
...
But there is another aspect to consider. A senior BSP activist told HT on condition of anonymity: “Having more than one BSP chief minister may create protocol problems. Is behenji (Mayawati) willing to share equal status with someone else in the party?”

And therein lies the rub - the superficialists will have more difficulties than anyone else in keeping their flock together, because of their natural ego problems. Look at the conflict between Mulayam and Lalu. So it's only natural that parties based on more ethical platforms would benefit under a system of greater choice.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 13 Dec 2009 01:47

ShyamSP wrote:
Well, I expected wide spread problems, but I didn't expect the awesome unison within a few hours across hundreds of kilometers and among 5-6 crores of people.

I need to contact my friend who happens to be the grand daughter of PVNR family and find out more about the situation.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 13 Dec 2009 01:53

joshvajohn wrote:Gouravam for all
http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_go ... ll_1323045

Looks like people derive their Gouravam based on movie characters. It is equally arguable then that most of the villans are from Rayalaseema in faction movies. Same goes with people making jokes about Priests and about Vysyas and so on. Where will it end?

It is interesting that people do not ask why the capital was moved from Kurnool to Hyderabad, and what would have happened if Kurnool remained the capital of AP or Vijayawada became the capital.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 13 Dec 2009 02:03

joshvajohn wrote:Gouravam for all
http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_go ... ll_1323045

States reorganisation panel should have been set up: NCP
http://trak.in/news/states-reorganisati ... ncp/35072/

From first article:

It was in reaction to this milieu that a cultural rebellion spread through Telangana, leading to ostentatious celebration of essentially Telangana festivals like Bathukamma and Bonalu and a revival of literary works. Sometime last year, a district unit of the TRS, 'counseled' hoteliers to drop Andhra foods such as Idli Sambar from their menus and add Telangana foods such as Jonna Roti and Ragi Sankati. Lord Venkateswara and Durga were branded 'Andhra gods' although hotels were allowed to continue using their names on signboards.

Wow how convoluted a logic! The worship of Kali is growing by leaps and bounds all over India. And is a reaction to the troubled times - growth of proselytizing religions. Folks around Delhi region are getting anxious with rise of Kali worship. Shivaji was also a Kali worshiper.

In Telangana region people are returning to Mother Kali worship due to the pressures on Bhadrachalam. I have attended the rallies and talked to the crowds.

Its not any anti-Andhra reaction.

And Jonna Roti and Ragi are also Karnataka specialties! And good for diabetics. If KCR had been true to eating them (instead of slurping omlettes) he wouldnt have those sugar deliriums.

Check the F& W thread. Thats why BR is a full spectrum Forum.

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 13 Dec 2009 02:04

The congress penchent to divide people and reap electoral dividends is nothing new and the arbitrary manner in which chidambaram behaved (with sonia orders) is quite clear. The seperate state for Telangana has no popular support in AP.It was even proved in recent elections when all the advocates of seperate telangana were defeated. After the demise of YSR, the congress fears a resurgance of TDP and the internal dissidence of YSR's son Jagan.Hence this sudden decision. This has nothing to do with the well being of people of telangana or Andhra and everything to do with congress politics.

Congress eyes long-term gain in Telangana - Bid to silence cave-in buzz

chief minister K. Rosaiah had been asked to call the December 7 all-party meeting only after Sonia Gandhi had made up her mind to grant statehood. They said P. Chidambaram had communicated to Rao on Wednesday afternoon the decision to bring a statehood resolution in the Assembly.

Sonia had been convinced by pro-Telangana leaders that the best way to finish off Telugu Desam leader N. Chandrababu Naidu and contain the influence of Jaganmohan Reddy was to divide the state.

Sources said it was possible for the new state to be formed within a year and a half. If the statehood is implemented during the term of this Assembly — it has over four years left — the seats from Telangana would go over to the new state and the government would be formed according to the current break-up of parties in these seats. That will allow the Congress to form the government in both states.
The Congress has 51 of Telangana’s 119 seats, and the support of the Telangana Rashtra Samiti’s 10 MLAs will give it majority. Sources said there was a tacit understanding with Rao, who might even merge his party with the Congress in the future.

60 Andhra MLAs resign en masse protesting Telangana decision

million mutinies now. This is what the knee jerk reaction of the Congress high command to concede Telangana will lead to, say analysts. "I am in shock and awe. What was the need for blinking. Soniaji's birthday gift to Telangana on her birthday will destroy the party in Andhra Pradesh. It’s like shooting yourself on the foot," said a Congress MP on conditions of anonymity.

Political analysts point out that the sudden reaction of the Congress high command was to prempt the possibility of large scale violence breaking out in the streets of Hyderabad during the course of the Chalo Assembly rally that was slated for Thursday. Though there was massive police bandabost, intelligence reports had suggested that extreme left ultras and goondas from the badlands of Rayalaseema had infiltrated the ranks of agitators and that they could create disturbances. "This would force the police to open fire in which lives would be lost. Ultimately this was the perception that made the high command agree to Telangana. But Andhra Pradesh chief minister K Rosaiah who is more in touch with the realities on the ground opposed the move tooth and nail But he was over ridden," an inside Congress source told TOI.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 13 Dec 2009 02:10

RamaY, The capital of Andhra was in Kurnool and the High Court in Guntur. When composite state was formed both were moved to Hyderabad as there was ready infrastructure and also the bye product was that there would be Telugu domination on Hyderabad and redress the wounds of the long duree under Bahmani->Qutub Shahi->Nizam's rule for the local and the larger Andhra people. The price was to give up those areas of the Nizam's dominions that had non Telugu majority. Otherwise it would have been the second largest Lok Sabha state.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 13 Dec 2009 02:14

SC/ST Confederation to go on fast for quota in pvt sector

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 13 Dec 2009 02:16

RamaY wrote:In support of Ramana-ji’s point:

KCR’s fast-unto-death is preplanned says KE Krishna Murthy - TDP leader

Translation of the news item (dated 12/12/09 Eenadu News Paper)

Yep, that looks like the case !

Sources said there was a tacit understanding with Rao, who might even merge his party with the Congress in the future.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 13 Dec 2009 02:18

ramana wrote:RamaY, The capital of Andhra was in Kurnool and the High Court in Guntur. When composite state was formed both were moved to Hyderabad as there was ready infrastructure and also the bye product was that there would be Telugu domination on Hyderabad and redress the wounds of the long duree under Bahmani->Qutub Shahi->Nizam's rule for the local and the larger Andhra people. The price was to give up those areas of the Nizam's dominions that had non Telugu majority. Otherwise it would have been the second largest Lok Sabha state.

Thanks Ramana-ji for the insight! People do not know this and think that Hyderabad was the natural capital of AP and the rest of AP did not make any sacrifises to develop it.

Sad that KCR and some INC leaders want to go back to Nijam rule. One can imagine the future of separate Telangana state under the leadership of these lilliput leaders. One wanted to become the President of India, by virtue of him being BC/SC and being loyal to Soniaji, and another president of the party wouldn't even get elected.

And in all this, the people mandate is pushed into drain. People forget less than a year ago Telangana people voted for YSR and CBN, and against these very lilliput leaders.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 13 Dec 2009 02:28

SwamyG wrote:
Muppalla wrote:I don't. I did not mean even that way. What is wrong to discuss the differences?
I am more than happy to discuss differences. In fact I once disagreed with Brihaspati on this subject. I think we all have a rich history to be proud of. Our Kings made mistakes here and there; just like their population. We continue to do so.

I like everyone of us to sing our own glory. Yet we have to respect each other. I think bulk of the South are indebted to Vijaynagar Empire and what they did for South and India. It is the ability to respect each other is what makes us all peaceful, happy and united.

Boss, I never hide behind any curtains. I wrote even in LL thread my views pretty much with whatever the knowledge I have. I am clearly/firmly of the view that South India is just a geographical entity and a very diverse one. The comanality between Telugu and Punjab is same as commanality between Telugu and Tamil in the bigger Indic family of India. Just because British folks merged into some artificial Madras state doesn't make the entire South as same. One can disagree.

There is no denying of the fact that everyone has a glorious past. However, when the contemporary differences are discussed, I totally oppose to some "south India unified" approaches. I am game for Indian-unified-approaches. I also resent the any Indians from other regions with lack of knowledge from other states start combining "south Indians" into one block.

I don't understand who is dis-respecting whom here? I beleive it is fair to discuss the 1950 Telugu state formation when a new Telugu state is being created. I also beleive it is fair to suspect the role of Tamil politicians in the decision behind Telangana seperation even if it is speculation because of the historical nature of the two splits and relation to Tams. Nothing personal here and the news reports are pouring in anyway. PC is just another politician like Rajaji or Nehru. Suspecting him is fair.

Sridhar · Post by **Sridhar** » 13 Dec 2009 02:44

There seems to be an underlying assumption amongst some people that if the state of Telengana is formed, people who are original from other parts of AP will have to pack their bags and leave. What gives rise to such apprehensions?

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 13 Dec 2009 02:49

I also beleive it is fair to suspect the role of Tamil politicians in the decision behind Telangana seperation even if it is speculation

utter Nonsense

It is fair to suspect the role of a politician IF the said politcians were involved in previous incarnations of this issue.

It ios fair to suspect the politician as a henchman\lackey of another politician.

It is not fair to tar and feather a whole group of people that the politician belongs to WITHOUT damn proof.

Many a times admins have opposed rants on MMS etc because they were just ideological views. THis is no different.
Treat PC as a lackey of Sonia if you want to but to ascribe some crazy scheme which was simmering from 50 years ago is asinine unless you have proof.

(and proof is not the jottings of another conspiracy theorist)

joshvajohn · Post by **joshvajohn** » 13 Dec 2009 02:50

I have a feeling that in the new state of Telangana, Congress has more chances to come to power than others unless many coalitions are formed against congress. Because TRS and co did show in the past that they could not exist as a party on their own. possibly TRS even would disappear abondoning KCR and thus many TRS joining congress.

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 13 Dec 2009 02:50

Why is P.Chidambaram taking exccessive interest in this matter with half truth statements ?

Telangana demand shows people feel neglected: Chidambaram

Some one needs to tell our dear mantri garu that if people wanted seperate telangana, they would have shown that in the recent elections.How come KCR and his party who advocated seperate telangana lost elections even in telangana ?

If this crises prolong like this , it looks like Chidambaram will be persona non grata in AP. Why is no one dragging Sonia's name into this.I think she is the one who gave the go ahead.PC may just be the tool.

Rosaiah rules out tabling Telangana resolution, takes on PC

Ruling out tabling a resolution for creation of separate Telangana in the Assembly immediately, Andhra Chief Minister K Rosaiah said on Saturday he was astonished, surprised and anguished by Union Home Minister P Chidambaram's statement on initiating steps for creation of a new state.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 13 Dec 2009 02:54

Sridhar wrote:There seems to be an underlying assumption amongst some people that if the state of Telengana is formed, people who are original from other parts of AP will have to pack their bags and leave. What gives rise to such apprehensions?

Not that much regarding such aprehensions this time. In 1969 those were real because Telanganites targeted in attacking the folks from other parts.

The opposition to Telangana is neither real estate nor any wealth loss. It is together for 60 years and for every middle class person in Andhra and Rayalseema area one of his child is settled in Hyderabad. A lot of life style has changed and the attachment to Hyderabad is very personal for all of AP. The river water issues and other wealth issues are easily resolvable but the overwhelming opposition is "some outsiders are dividing my house exploiting my family differences".

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 13 Dec 2009 02:54

Boss: Everything is fair in love and war. Nobody is talking about South India being a monolithic entity. It is the inability to talk about one's glory without throwing darts at others a sign of disrespect. Then one reads about how certain folks will take over Deccan ithiyadi. Aren't we a unified country? What the heck does it mean about one set of folks taking over a particular region?

I would not put PC in the same genre of Nehru or Rajaji. Nehru, Rajaji ithiyadi were more then mere politicians - they were visionaries in several sense. PC is yet to prove he is one such a person. He did good under PVNR. But once INC was thrown out of power, his tactics in TN did not earn him good reputation. He and his son have landed into several rumors. So he does not have a very clean slate so to speak.

Yeah, me too nothing is personal.

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 13 Dec 2009 02:56

Rony

well he is home minister and this could fall under his purview (unfortunately)

also he is the hatchet man (or tool as you put it) so ..

The sad part is that PC will now concentrate on the politics and all the small improvements in Internal security will go down the toilet till the next terrorist strikes.

Sigh - the Chinese model seems interesting,

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 13 Dec 2009 03:02

ramana wrote:And Jonna Roti and Ragi are also Karnataka specialties! And good for diabetics. If KCR had been true to eating them (instead of slurping omlettes) he wouldnt have those sugar deliriums.

Check the F& W thread. Thats why BR is a full spectrum Forum.

Why to go that far. Jonna is eaten even in palnaadu region as rice was scarce in the past. Remember the poem written by Srinathudu
"sajja jonna kudu sarpambulu thellu" ...

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 13 Dec 2009 03:10

Folks, It is pretty clear that carving out a seperate telangana might not be as advantageous either to the people of AP nor to India at large.It is purely done for political considerations.Lets not pick on individuals and communities and instead try to think why now ? There are reports that KCR had a tactic understanding with the congress before he started his drama.The kind of game which the congress is playing will clearly distract the country from other important matters and result in internal political bickerings.So the question is why now and who will benefit from this ?

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 13 Dec 2009 03:12

Muppalla wrote:
ramana wrote:And Jonna Roti and Ragi are also Karnataka specialties! And good for diabetics. If KCR had been true to eating them (instead of slurping omlettes) he wouldnt have those sugar deliriums.

Check the F& W thread. Thats why BR is a full spectrum Forum.
Why to go that far. Jonna is eaten even in palnaadu region as rice was scarce in the past. Remember the poem written by Srinathudu
"sajja jonna kudu sarpambulu thellu" ...

Ragi in the form of Ragi Sankati (Ragi and Rice ball) and Ambali (Sankati and curd/buttermilk) is staple food in agriculture field work times (6 months or more) in some areas of Nellore/Chittoor districts.
Ragi Sankati with Chepala pulusu (fish sour-curry) is my favorite.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 13 Dec 2009 03:15

Rony wrote:Folks, It is pretty clear that carving out a seperate telangana might not be as advantageous either to the people of AP nor to India at large.It is purely done for political considerations.Lets not pick on individuals and communities and instead try to think why now ? There are reports that KCR had a tactic understanding with the congress before he started his drama.The kind of game which the congress is playing will clearly distract the country from other important matters and result in internal political bickerings.So the question is why now and who will benefit from this ?

Agreed. I do not think anyone picked on anyone here other than PC ( a politician and hence fair to pick on him though some folks disagree). It is just some folks here are over reacting.

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 13 Dec 2009 03:23

Mupalla

No one has disagreed on your right to pick on PC but you labelled the group

But you and other use the word "Tamil politicians" "TN elites" etc. and made this a Tamil \ Telugu issue of the last 50 yrs

Here is your own quote

I also beleive it is fair to suspect the role of Tamil politicians in the decision behind Telangana seperation

Now if you had said

I also beleive it is fair to suspect the role of politicians in the decision behind Telangana seperation

or

I also beleive it is fair to suspect the role of PC in the decision behind Telangana seperation

then thats Ok

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 13 Dec 2009 03:24

ramana wrote:In Telugu there is saying "Tellanivi anni paalu kaadu" - Everything white is not milk.

Ramana gaaru: That reminded me of this small work: Proverbs in Tamil and Telugu. Hope you enjoy.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 13 Dec 2009 03:25

Muppalla wrote:
Rony wrote:Folks, It is pretty clear that carving out a seperate telangana might not be as advantageous either to the people of AP nor to India at large.It is purely done for political considerations.Lets not pick on individuals and communities and instead try to think why now ? There are reports that KCR had a tactic understanding with the congress before he started his drama.The kind of game which the congress is playing will clearly distract the country from other important matters and result in internal political bickerings.So the question is why now and who will benefit from this ?
Agreed. I do not think anyone picked on anyone here other than PC ( a politician and hence fair to pick on him though some folks disagree). It is just some folks here are over reacting.

Thanks for high lighting.

Criticizing Tamil politicians doesn't mean criticizing Tamil people. Similarly, bitching on TRS politicians doesn't mean picking on Telengana people.

People here should learn to distinguish politics and people regardless of adjective of ethinicity/religious/language-background used.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 13 Dec 2009 03:32

See it reinforces my take that these 'intellectuals' are fake and trying to create divisions based on fake ideas. And 'leaders' fall for this.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 13 Dec 2009 03:35

Surya ji,

The suspicion among the folks on the street is that PC did it because he is from Tamilnadu. The various news reports and also the INC party members of AP are saying about him in that way. It is all over the vernacular press. The real clincher was his secretary's statement about Hyd as capital of Telangana statement that has built too much of grudge against PC. if Pillai did not make any statement folks would have believed that PC is just Sonia's henchman.

If PC is not biased then it is unfortunate that he is targeted becasue he is Tamil.

No grudges here. This whole thing is orchestration of politics with mix of regional sentiments. I still think some folks here are unnecessarily over sensitive. Differences between two sections is natural. The differences between Telugus and Tamils is also natural and we know to live together inspite of such diffrences. Why should some folks here become too sensitive for few statements here and there?

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 13 Dec 2009 03:45

Mupalla

no need for ji - surya is ok

I understand that the street probably believes that - but to bring it on forum and avoid a flare up there should be proof.

It first came up on forum before news links came up.

but you are right on one thing

Its all bloody politics.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 13 Dec 2009 03:58

Why should some folks here become too sensitive for few statements here and there?

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 13 Dec 2009 04:00

Surya wrote: I understand that the street probably believes that - but to bring it on forum and avoid a flare up there should be proof.

It first came up on forum before news links came up.

If people take extra time they can get enough info on tug-of-war between Telugu and Tamil politicians for Central funds/projects
You don't have to burden others for providing proof for you. Of course, you have right to request it.

Also, I thought here we have some freedom of thought, theorizing, and predicting.

You're looking for format where one can provide news links and provide comments. You have zombie sites like TOI you can visit and they provide comments section.

Sridhar · Post by **Sridhar** » 13 Dec 2009 04:04

Muppalla wrote: The opposition to Telangana is neither real estate nor any wealth loss. It is together for 60 years and for every middle class person in Andhra and Rayalseema area one of his child is settled in Hyderabad. A lot of life style has changed and the attachment to Hyderabad is very personal for all of AP. The river water issues and other wealth issues are easily resolvable but the overwhelming opposition is "some outsiders are dividing my house exploiting my family differences".

what exactly is the problem if a family member is in a different state? A large proportion of families in our country have family members living in other states. Unless there are apprehensions that somehow they will not in practice have the same rights as before (constitutionally, there are no differences in any case). Are there grounds for such apprehensions?

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 13 Dec 2009 04:17

Sridhar wrote: what exactly is the problem if a family member is in a different state? A large proportion of families in our country have family members living in other states. Unless there are apprehensions that somehow they will not in practice have the same rights as before (constitutionally, there are no differences in any case). Are there grounds for such apprehensions?

There could be some aprehensions but even the Telangana politicians (discounting some extreme rouges) are overtly saying this time that it will be brotherhood only. So the effects on freedom is not a real issue.

The issue is more of emotion, psyche and attachment. They just don't like the fact that there are two or three states for Telugus. It is simply not possible to tell the abdul on the street anymore in Coastal and Rayalseema regions. Pride is hurt and the politicians has no clue that it will come to this state. Everyone at the grassroot level in these regions did not beleive that AP-INC or TDP will in reality accept division of state. They have hopes on the manuverability of their leaders. This sudden annoncement made them to beleive it as not the fault of their politicians but some outside force did it in. The rally in Vizag is a pointer and they burnt effigies of all the leaders of all political parties.