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All that has changed; the separatists are no longer in hiding. They are, in fact, so visible and strong that now they can force any town to close down whenever they want. When a separatist activist was killed on September 4 in an encounter with Levies in Tump area, his comrades forced a complete strike in Turbat. All government and private banks were still shut in the city when this scribe visited it, about a week after the encounter.In far-flung rural parts of Makran Division, the separatists are virtually running a parallel government. Many traders and businessmen in the cities say rural areas of Gwadar, Kech, Awaran and Panjgur districts are under the control of the separatist militants. Naseer Jan, a shopkeeper in Turbat, tells the Herald how he left his ancestral village, Balicha, and settled in Turbat city to avoid constant threats to himself and his family from the militants.
Another indication of the increased power of the militants in the area is that many local leaders of political parties which believe in parliamentary politics have left their rural homes for Karachi and Quetta because they do not feel safe in the militant-dominated areas. In the words of a local political activist, it is revealing to see how “those who claim themselves to be the leaders of the masses are leaving.” Dr Abdul Malik, the head of the National Party, is always surrounded by government-provided armed guards and cannot move freely even in his hometown; Akhtar Mengal, who heads the Balochistan National Party–Mengal (BNPM), was living outside Pakistan until recently, for fear of his life.The rise in the separatists’ power has forced political activists to concede that they no longer have the people’s ears. “Yes, the masses listen to the separatists,” says advocate Abdul Hameed, a former vice-chairman of the Balochistan Bar Council who is also a local leader of the Balochistan National Party in Turbat.But Jamaldini and other political leaders like him argue that the main responsibility for the deteriorating situation lies with the security and intelligence agencies. They claim the agencies have caused the breakdown of law and order by creating and sponsoring criminal gangs and drug peddlers in every Baloch district, mainly to counter the militants but also to kidnap and kill activists of political parties and to gun down non-Baloch settlers.
ramana wrote:We used to have a running total of US aid(civil/military) to TSP since 911. Any one knows the current totals?
Suppiah, that is a very good question, though you seem surprised. Unfortunately, Karzai could not develop that constituency effectively. The loss of Karzai's powerful brother last year was a huge setback. I would give credit to Pakistan for not allowing an emergence of an alternative to the Taliban. After having invested so much in the Taliban, TSP could not have been expected to do so either. Also, TSP has mounted the tiger for it to unmount. TSP may bleed to death in the process, incidentally through a thousand self-inflicted cuts, but that is an entirely different matter.Suppiah wrote:Is there such a thing as pro-kabul Taliban?!
Though our jehadi terrorist brothers are hardcore ahl-e-sunnat, they do self-flagellate better than their shia birathers..SSridhar wrote:TSP may bleed to death in the process, incidentally through a thousandself-inflicted cutsin-bred cubs, but that is an entirely different matter.
Good observations.RajeshA wrote:Pakistan will not become an issue in the Presidential Elections. Romney will not bring it up, because then he would indirectly be reminding of how Obama took down Osama, which he does not want. Obama won't bring up Pakistan much simply so that he does not get criticized for all the US policies of feeding the enemy who is out to kill US soldiers.
So the issue would remain Iran, Syria, attack on American Embassy in Libya and credit from and outsourcing to China.
Yup, it's Clinton, the Bilderberg group, Freemasons, Rothschilds and Ambanis all ganging up to thwart India. After all, recent Indian activity suggests that we are going to grow the economy at 400% rate and become a super-hyper-dooper world power if not for evil conspiracies launched by the secret societies.CRamS wrote:I respectfully disagree. Resuming suuch a massive amount of aid in a hush hush manner and is not even up for debate (natl security bs) means there is much more than just wanting to maintain leverage.
Now people are talking about Pakistan's "record of terrorism" openly and directly.Bangladesh does not have the same record of involvement in global terror as Pakistan, with which it once formed a nation before winning its independence in 1971. At least one Bangladeshi was among those detained by the U.S. at Guantanamo Bay Naval Base in Cuba.
err...why not?!!Rangudu wrote:Yup, it's Clinton, the Bilderberg group, Freemasons, Rothschilds and Ambanis all ganging up to thwart India. After all, recent Indian activity suggests that we are going to grow the economy at 400% rate and become a super-hyper-dooper world power if not for evil conspiracies launched by the secret societies.CRamS wrote:I respectfully disagree. Resuming suuch a massive amount of aid in a hush hush manner and is not even up for debate (natl security bs) means there is much more than just wanting to maintain leverage.
You forgot the Trilateral Commission.Rangudu wrote:Yup, it's Clinton, the Bilderberg group, Freemasons, Rothschilds and Ambanis all ganging up to thwart India. After all, recent Indian activity suggests that we are going to grow the economy at 400% rate and become a super-hyper-dooper world power if not for evil conspiracies launched by the secret societies.CRamS wrote:I respectfully disagree. Resuming suuch a massive amount of aid in a hush hush manner and is not even up for debate (natl security bs) means there is much more than just wanting to maintain leverage.
Yes, one look at Pranab Mukherjee and his ilk makes the world tremble with fear.CRamS wrote:Bro R, you are being facetious. India conntainment or more aptly Hindu containment is a key element of US policy.
Suppiah wrote:R-man, R-D
An important factor in this calculation is the US elections. Once Nov happens, whoever wins, the pressure is off TSPA's back for a while at least. If Romney, he is too busy building team and focussing on domestic. If Ombaba, then it is even better as a lame duck liberal wimp trying to 'find his place in history, perhaps win a second Nobel', he can always be fooled with some yarn.
I do see strong circumstantial evidence of this whole Malala episode being manufactured in ISI HQ, but to pull it off so precisely like Clint Eastwood getting shot in ears by Angel Eyes requires marksmanship of Kollywood Vijayakanth standards. I suppose they would have had another script ready in hand if Malala got halalaed.
The agenda for next week's debate is already released and AfPak is on the top.RajeshA wrote:Pakistan will not become an issue in the Presidential Elections.
US policy is world domination and global supremacy and they want to rule the world for as long as possible as the sole super power. They dont care if it is Hindu, Muslim or Christian containment. And why should they not? All countries including Pakis want to do that -- only in their case it is a wet dream.CRamS wrote:Bro R, you are being facetious. India conntainment or more aptly Hindu containment is a key element of US policy.
There is a very strong element of monotheistic bigotry against the pagans in US foriegn policy -- this manifests itself in various ways such as support to Pakistan against India, support to Muslims in India against the Hindus, hatred of Modi and RSS and anyone else articulating Hindu interests, promotion of missonaries inside India, alleging religious discrimination in India against the minorities, hype up the caste system internationally, etc.saip wrote:US policy is world domination and global supremacy and they want to rule the world for as long as possible as the sole super power. They dont care if it is Hindu, Muslim or Christian containment. And why should they not? All countries including Pakis want to do that -- only in their case it is a wet dream.CRamS wrote:Bro R, you are being facetious. India conntainment or more aptly Hindu containment is a key element of US policy.
(extra hilighting by admin?NightWatch For the night of 17 October 2012 wrote: Pakistan: Update. Evidently stung by the overwhelmingly negative Pakistani public reaction to the attack on the Pakistani teenage girl and education activist, Malala, the Pakistani Taliban, known as the Tehrik-i-Taliban (TTP), and their allies issued a defense of the shooting.
Three terrorist groups, the Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistani (TTP), Abu Zar of Harikat-e-Islami Uzbekistan (HIU) and al-Sahab, al-Qaida's media and propaganda arm, jointly subscribed to the press statement justifying the attack on Malala on Tuesday, 16 October. Al Qaida's Al-Sahab is the sponsor of the three-page statement which was read over the air in Urdu in the tribal agencies of western Pakistan.
The Swat District Taliban led by Maulana Fazlullah, who apparently is now based in Afghanistan's Kunar Province, claimed to have organized the attack. "The girl was part of an agenda perpetrated by the British Broadcasting Corporation to run an organized campaign against jihad, Islamic Sharia and purda or veil," according to a so-called Taliban commander who read the statement. "Now when she was shot, everyone - from Pakistan to the United States - is crying about it."
The statement questioned why NGOs, mostly US-funded, media and others decried Malala's shooting but ignored abuses and killings by the US and Pakistan governments. It said Malala deserved to die because she had spoken out against the 'mujahidin' and praised US President Barack Obama.
The Taliban justified the attack by describing Malala as a "spy of the West." The Taliban denied that they targeted her for advocating education for girls and said that they would again try to kill her if she survived. "For this espionage, infidels gave her awards and rewards. And Islam orders killing of those who are spying for enemies…. We did not attack her for raising her voice for education. We targeted her for opposing the mujahedeen and their war. Shariah (Islamic law) says that even a child can be killed if it is propagating against Islam.
The statement also contained the Taliban's calculation of Malala's age, purporting to prove she is 15 year old and an adult woman, as defined by Shariah. Thus, she is accountable for her statements as an adult.
Comment: The outpouring of support in Pakistan for Malala has been overwhelmingly sympathetic, but no Pakistanis have challenged the Taliban's right to kill a girl in defense of Islam. Many also have opposed an army offensive into the tribal agencies.
The Pakistani Taliban have wrapped themselves in Sharia, as its defenders, and have no remorse or regrets. The connection to outside agencies is not as farfetched as it might appear because the school Malala attended has a connection to the US through her father. The school is now almost closed because the students and teachers fear for their lives from Taliban threats.
It is rare for al-Qaida or its affiliates to sense the need to justify an attack. The Taliban statement, on the other hand, confirms its relationships with al Qaida and Uzbek Islamic terrorists.
)+1. Every time a minister waltzes (or whatever) into NYC, and you listen to them speak, you get the impression that they believe the world revolves a) around them and b) around India. You just walk out with a sigh.Rangudu wrote:Yes, one look at Pranab Mukherjee and his ilk makes the world tremble with fear.CRamS wrote:Bro R, you are being facetious. India conntainment or more aptly Hindu containment is a key element of US policy.
We talk of the past glory, civilizational history etc. but if you are going to be reductionist, here's some reductionism for you - India was a non-entity during the Cold War and is working to be a non-entity now. We had a brief affair with 'high status' but our leaders have shown that they are incapable of thinking big or thinking beyond their parochial interests. Even the greatest of businesses, in the hands of incompetent fools, turn into waste.
There is nothing that a global conspiracy can do to thwart India that can come close to what Indians are doing to India.
QUETTA, Pakistan (AP) — As he knelt in prayer to mark one of Islam's holiest days, Ali Raza Qurban saw a childhood friend and dozens of others die in a suicide attack on their Shiite mosque. Sunni militants were again targeting minority ethnic Hazaras in this city of narrow streets and wide-open hatreds.
Qurban decided it was time to leave. He found an agent who would hook him up with a smuggler in Indonesia and, for $8,000, get him to Australia.
But he never made it to Australia. He disappeared on Dec. 17, 2011, aboard an overcrowded, rickety wooden boat that capsized within hours of leaving the Indonesian shore.
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http://tribune.com.pk/story/375257/height-of-pakistanis-has-fallen-4-inches-over-50-years-say-experts/eh.. thats just moon+mars+rahu in scorpio...RamaY wrote:Whats with the sudden Ugrarupas of Mullah-shiv and Raj-e-Sha?
RajeshA wrote:This has most certainly been discussed earlier, but the news is so good I am posting it here again
Whatever grows there, cereals, vegetables, fruits, etc. India would buy, everything. The only thing for Pakis to eat would be rat-burgers.
In 40 years time, all Pakis would be dwarfs.
See what hiding and crouching to do bum blasts, ducking for cover from drones, the weight of soocide vests, living in caves, crawling through tunnels under electrified fences will do to height?RajeshA wrote:This has most certainly been discussed earlier, but the news is so good I am posting it here again
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R man this statement is not too far out of step from the accusation that 26/11 was done by Hindu agents. The latter statement is a two layer burqa that denies Pakistani involvement, which in turn denies a possible involvement of US agencies in using Headley as a double agent.Rangudu wrote:
There is nothing that a global conspiracy can do to thwart India that can come close to what Indians are doing to India.
DocJi, Namaskaara. I agree with most of what you say, including US TSP love affair. R-man is off base in denying the India (Hindu) containment factor in the US TSP love fest.shiv wrote:R man this statement is not too far out of step from the accusation that 26/11 was done by Hindu agents. The latter statement is a two layer burqa that denies Pakistani involvement, which in turn denies a possible involvement of US agencies in using Headley as a double agent.Rangudu wrote:
There is nothing that a global conspiracy can do to thwart India that can come close to what Indians are doing to India.
Until 1990 India was just as irrelevant to the US as it is now, but it was also a Soviet ally that needed to be restricted in many ways. In the mid and late 1970s when my college seniors were desperate to migrate to the US of A, they had the choice of going to Karachi or the Philippines where the relevant exams were held. Pakistan was, and remains, a US ally. And your humorous depiction of Pranabda shows the sort of contempt that Indians are still held in. What has changed now?
