Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan - Dec 25, 2012

[Suppiah]

SSgaru, if what you say is correct, it will further reinforce the perception on ultra pure that TSPA can't be trusted. That would also imply, for temporary peace in TSP, they are angering MO & co, erasing lots of investment...

[Suppiah]

I suspect the 6000 even if true, will grow as conflict flares... They can't be left there to be halaled. Either that or forces nearby will rush at short notice... all symbolism and opinion management by Ombaba

[SSridhar]

Rangudu, I agree that Maulvi Nazeer was an easier target in view of his injuries. However, on many other occasions, other injured Taliban could not be taken out by the drones, Hakimullah himself being a prime example. So far, it has been the Al Qaeda or bad Taliban who had been taken out by the drones, and this is the first time a high-quality good Taliban has been staked out. Though the Americans might have some assets on the ground to illuminate the targets for the drones to fire their missiles, it is the TSPA that can provide coordinates for an overwhelming number of targets.

As for Ilyas Kashmiri, of course, they are all united in a larger cause. At the time of his death, Ilyas kashmiri was the Operational Commander of Al Qaeda and enjoyed patronage from all factions. Even Hakimullah and the Waziri Alliance (Nazeer & Gul Bahadur) have withdrawn earlier from situations where they faced each other.

[SSridhar]

The thing about Pakis you need to admire is that in their single minded pursuit of "Strategic depth" and wanting to hurt India, they are willing to make vast swathes of their country into real pakistans.

Absolutely. And, also enter into bargains that will push Pakistan further into abyss.

[SSridhar]

SSgaru, if what you say is correct, it will further reinforce the perception on ultra pure that TSPA can't be trusted. That would also imply, for temporary peace in TSP, they are angering MO & co, erasing lots of investment...

Suppiah, in any case, it has been my belief for some time that MO & Co. will eventually turn big time on TSPA. That is what history teaches us in these matters. Remember that after 9/11, MO & Co identified themselves with AQ's worldview and I do not believe that was purely temporary.

[SSridhar]

Former JI Chief Qazi Hussain dies

Last November, he escaped an attack unhurt when a suicide bomber detonated explosives near his convoy in the Mohmand tribal agency.

[Suppiah]

Ahmed, 74, was also a prominent religious scholar, Islamic theologian, Islamic democracy advocate.

WTF does that mean? Anyway, one soosai life preserved for better things.... AoA

[Satya_anveshi]

interesting - on fridin I posted this nugget from TFT:

Qazi Sahib is a Jewish agent!
Writing in Dunya Khursheed Nadeem stated that Taliban leader Hakimullah Mehsud had followed the lead of Al Zawahiri to say in a video CD that ex-Amir Jamaat Islami Qazi Hussain Ahmad was a traitor to the cause of jihad (jihad-farosh) and a secret member of the Jewish Lobby because he favoured democracy. On the other hand, Qazi Sahib in his recent article had admitted that those who were most affected by the terrorism of Taliban were member of the Jamaat Islami and JUI. After having written this, Qazi Sahib had put the blame of the suicide attack on him as work of the Americans.

Looks like one of those sudden heard attack type incidents.

[pgbhat]

From twitter
@RadioPakistan

US drones fire 10 missiles in Baba Ziarat area bordering North and South Waziristan, killing 12 & wounding 7 persons

[Samudragupta]

Indian troops may have struck Sawan Patra checkpoint in POK

[pgbhat]

Apparently our fellows raided a Pakistani post in Haji Pir sector called Sawan Patra and gave a Paki his 72. Wonder what the provocation was. Heavy firing going on in the area.

Pacquis must have seriously pissed off the Army folks. Retaliatory shelling by IA is one thing but raiding across LoC would have to be done with blessings from the top AFAIK.

[Satya_anveshi]

Maulana Fazlullah aka Mullah FM Radio and his uncle Sufi Mohd are spent force or are they still active with TNSM? I think the former was active till a while ago but not much news lately. All spent forces are probably tapkaod and new leadership taking over with renewed recruitment drives.

[Agnimitra]

Al-Jazeera: Indian troops 'raid Pakistani military post'

Indian troops have raided a Pakistani military post, killing one soldier and injuring another, the Pakistani military said, an incident that could heighten tensions between the neighbouring nuclear powers after a period of rapprochement.

The Pakistani army repulsed the attack on the Sawan Patra checkpoint in Kashmir early on Sunday, an army spokesman said in a statement.

The two sides then exchanged fire across the Line of Control, an internationally recognised line in the disputed Kashmir region patrolled by troops from both countries.

Colonel Brijesh Pandey, a spokesman for the Indian army in Kashmir said that Pakistani troops "initiated unprovoked firing" and fired mortars and automatic weapons at Indian posts early Sunday morning.

He said Pakistani shelling had destroyed a civilian home on the Indian side.

"We retaliated only using small arms. We believe it was clearly an attempt on their part to facilitate infiltration of militants," Pandey said.

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"We're getting conflicting reports from both sides. The Indians saying that this was retaliatory fire for a mortar attack coming from the Pakistani side. However, the Pakistani military said a number of Indian soldiers took on a Pakistani military post, after which the Pakistanis retaliated and the Indians were forced to flee, leaving some of their weapons behind," our correspondent said.

[SSridhar]

Satya_anveshi, I thought that Swat has fallen back into the hands of the ex-ski lift operator.

[ArmenT]

National Bird is back in business.
From Yawn: Drone strikes in Waziristan tribal region kill 12

[Raja Ram]

While the Aman ki Tamasha and cricket matches keep happening, a proud father Dr. N.K. Kalia continues his mission for justice. He is the father of our Capt. Saurabh Kalia. Here is a mail that he sent to another remarkable Indian, Shantanu Bhagwat, who has reproduced the mail with Dr. Kalia's permission. Please share it far and wide. I am sure my friends here will do it. Thanks.

http://satyameva-jayate.org/2011/09/22/dr-kalia-email/

Read and be inspired gentle Rakshaks!

Shantanu Bhagwat - who he is and what he does can be seen from his website. I have had the privilege of meeting him and listening to him. He is one of those who inspire and live a life worth living.

I posted it in this thread because this is one thread that is most visited in these forums and it belongs here as a constant reminder of the evil and terror the entity called Pakistan represents.

[pgbhat]

National Bird is back in business.
From Yawn: Drone strikes in Waziristan tribal region kill 12

Belongs to Hafiz Gul Bahadur group looks like

[SSridhar]

National Bird is back in business.
From Yawn: Drone strikes in Waziristan tribal region kill 12

Belongs to Hafiz Gul Bahadur group looks like

So, after Mullah Nazeer, Gul Bahadur is targetted ?

[sadhana]

Apparently our fellows raided a Pakistani post in Haji Pir sector called Sawan Patra and gave a Paki his 72. Wonder what the provocation was. Heavy firing going on in the area.

Pacquis must have seriously pissed off the Army folks. Retaliatory shelling by IA is one thing but raiding across LoC would have to be done with blessings from the top AFAIK.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asi ... story.html

Col. Brijesh Pandey, a spokesman for the Indian army in Kashmir, said that Pakistani troops “initiated unprovoked firing” and fired mortars and automatic weapons at Indian posts early Sunday morning. He said Pakistani shelling had destroyed a civilian home on the Indian side.

“We retaliated only using small arms. We believe it was clearly an attempt on their part to facilitate infiltration of militants,” Pandey said

This is all Pak Army drama for the incoming Secretary of State John Kerry's benefit. They want John Kerry to opine on need for India to yield to Pak on things including J&K.

Number of J&K attacks, Indians dead in jihadi attacks whether Kashmir or Afghanistan = directly proportional to US Secretary of State's tolerance for Pakistani Army talking points

Hillary Clinton seems to have shut Pak Army up on their every whine on India from J&K to river waters to 'Indian malfeasance in Balochistan/Afghanistan'. Hence the relative peace in recent times. Now John Kerry is a new or old dupe and Pak dramaybazi will resume.

Best if BRF does not also propagate Pak Army propaganda on such 'incidents' unquestioningly like Western media outlets do.

[pgbhat]

So, after Mullah Nazeer, Gul Bahadur is targetted ?

Who knows may be they are getting as many good talibs as possible before Jaan Kairy gets in.

[eklavya]

Can the visa to Miandad, be considered an act of chanikian brilliance.

No. It was an unpardonable act of stupidity. India has established a precedent that we have no cause to deny a visa to a close relative of a terrorist. Tomorrow when Dawood's mother, brothers, sisters, children, grandchildren, cook and gardener apply for a visa to visit India, what reason will MMS, Salman Khurshid and Shinde give for denying them a visa? So, back to business as usual pre Mumbai blasts?

Granting Miandad a visa was an appalling act of self-harm in the war against Pakistani terrorism.

[RamaY]

New chief of Pak Taliban faction fought Indian troops in J-K

If this guy is so brave, why did he run away wearing a Burkha from Indian Army? Why did he not win Cashmere and Lal-Quilla for Islam?

This is the Taliban that is going to win Afghanistan, who defeated the world super duper powers Britain, USSR and now USA?

Does it mean kafir India is stronger than Taliban who are stronger than TSPA who is stronger than USA which defeated USSR which defeatd UK?

Allah must be a sadist to do this to Pakis

[svinayak]

"We're getting conflicting reports from both sides. The Indians saying that this was retaliatory fire for a mortar attack coming from the Pakistani side. However, the Pakistani military said a number of Indian soldiers took on a Pakistani military post, after which the Pakistanis retaliated and the Indians were forced to flee, leaving some of their weapons behind," our correspondent said.

How can there be a conflicting report.
There is only on way for the terrorists to cross the border from Pakistan to India.
It is only the Pakistan which wants to come inside India and jihad is only on the Pakistan side

[ramana]

Acharya, Carl was quoting the AL Jazeera report. Please direct your ire at them and not Carl as it appears.

[Anujan]

http://www.thefridaytimes.com/beta3/tft ... 04&page=32
ur mole says the Taliban discovered that a certain highly placed though retired khaki belonged to the Ahmadiya community and made a demand of Rs 100 million from him, to spare his life. The scared gent apparently asked General (retd) Flower to intercede who asked other interlocutors and finally the demand was lowered to Rs 10 million. Having paid the agreed amount, the khaki heaved a sigh of relief. We also hear that the Taliban made a similar demand of some telecommunications companies and they sought the counsel of RM 007 and the relevant khakis. The latter, we hear, said it was the companies' call, and they really couldn't advise them on the matter. So there we have it.

Flower = Gul. So that Jihadi is the official conduit to the Taliban....

[ramana]

RM007= Rehman Malik, Interior Minister

[member_20292]

Not sure if "big residual force" wallahs will win out. Today NYT reports that Ombaba wants about 6000 soldiers in A'stan. So it is a complete withdrawal, even SoKo has ~30,000 US soldiers!

The thing about Pakis you need to admire is that in their single minded pursuit of "Strategic depth" and wanting to hurt India, they are willing to make vast swathes of their country into real pakistans. In such a context, With 6000 soldiers and only money as carrot and stick to control the Pakis, from US perspective it is better to "take their sensitivities" into account.

South Korea has 60 million people, lots of samsung galaxy s3 phones, lots of hyundai cars, and hot south korean wimmens, all to make a gora mujahids life happy in the far east.
They make good half white half asian beige babies, american population grows and everyone is happy.

In Afghanistan....the local women are married off at age 14 to the dude next door aged 55.

So...the gora mujahids prefer South Korea. hence there are 30000 troops there .

^^ could be a good reason, no? no. of troops as many as CAN BE SUPPORTED by local taxes?

[putnanja]

Some interesting tidbit from economic times report...

India vs Pakistan: First ceasefire violations of 2013 in Haji Pir sector

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Pakistan, however, has claimed that India army crossed the LoC and left two of its soldiers injured. One of the injured later died, reports from Islamabad quoting army sources said. However, defence sources in Baramulla denied they breached the LoC. The dispute is about an outpost that Indian army had left unmanned for some time. While the soldiers were deployed to this post, this triggered today's crisis.

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So does this mean that the pakis now occupy this post that India had vacated during winter?

[Prem]

CNN reported same and they had a Poaqita from Poaqoolooland explaing Paki side. Take it as a first sign of " Medea Kerrying" Agenda.

[Ambar]

Seems to be a Amriki size 13 on the mush of TSPA

Sum, i said the same thing a couple of days back, and i quote :

Mullah Nazeer was also a close buddy of Haqqanis. It could be either of the 2 scenarios : 1 ) TSPA got him whacked to assure Hakeemullah that they are indeed interested in "peace" with TTP or 2 ) Unkil just put a size 13 shoe into TSPA's behind by taking out one of ISI's prime assets and firing the opening salvo at the Haqqani network. Interesting days ahead..

..and i agree with you that it may just be Unkil's boot in Pak's rear.

SSridharji, if i have to put myself in the shoes of TTP emirs then i would be asking myself this question of what i intend to achieve by making "peace" with TSPA ? After all, TTP came into prominence through barbaric violence that astounded even the most hardened jihadis . If TTP gives up violence and makes love with TSPA, TTP emirs will forever be confined to their caves and can forget about moving into those palatial houses in Islamabad. On the other hand if they keep up their demands for total shariah in Pakistan, breaking all political and diplomatic relationship with the west, end of zamindaari , they'll remain in news for a long time to come, so will the funds keep flowing from faithfuls across the ummah world. Why spoil a good thing by making amends with TSPA ? What can TSPA offer them other than sending them to Kashmir ?

[harbans]

Whenever India plays cricket with Pakistan, terror attacks happen, borders get heated up. It's like extending the sphere of conflict from stadium to elsewhere. The rabid elements get enthused by the competition. I think it's a bad idea to play with this nation. All terror attacks and massive firings across the border against India have taken place when we were on playing terms with this abomination of a nation.

[putnanja]

US drone strikes kill 18 Pakistani militants, sources tell NBC

Updated at 10:09 a.m. ET: PESHAWAR, Pakistan - Eighteen suspected militants were killed in three separate American drone attacks in Pakistan's South Waziristan on Saturday night, military and government sources told NBC News.
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The militants targeted were led by Hakimullah Mehsud and had set up sanctuaries in the mountainous district, about 85 miles northeast of Wana, the capital of the South Waziristan tribal region. Mehsud's fighters often target the Pakistani army.

The death toll could rise as dozens of militants were present in the compound during the drone strikes, NBC sources said.
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[Guddu]

Some interesting tidbit from economic times report...
So does this mean that the pakis now occupy this post that India had vacated during winter?

No, it seems that the post was on the Indian side, which was left unattended.

[Nandu]

No, it seems that the post was on the Indian side, which was left unattended.

So why did our men attack it?

[Prem]

Gender disparities in rural Pakistan — Motataza Aqalpe Tala

Nothing which islam, taliban cant fix

Islam ensures equal rights to women; the Holy Quran, verses 228, chapter 2, Surah Al-Baqra reads as under “And woman shall have rights, similar to the rights against them, according to what is equitable, but men have a degree (of advantage) over them.” Nevertheless, our distorted conventional thoughts have created hindrances in the way of gender equality. We have made the rights of women more complicated and have confined many of them in the four walls of house. That has slowed down the overall progress and development in the country. A little nudge towards positive thinking for gender equality will be a thing that we had been searching for decades to make progress in various fields in our country.Recently, the World Economic Forum has published a report on the Global Gender Gap (2012), which indicates that Pakistan stands 134 in the regional ranking out of 135 in gender gap. Pakistan moves down historically in the rankings from 112th, 126th, 132nd, 133rd and 134th respectively in the years 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, and 2012. This is due to worsening in the perceived wage equality and below the global average performance on all four sub indexes (economic participation and opportunity, educational attainment, health and survival, and political empowerment) and now occupies last spot in the Asia and Pacific region. Gender disparity in rural Pakistan is one of its most critical challenges.amongst the poor, the resource allocation as a percentage of the GDP remained low. Pakistan is ranked as one of the lowest spenders on education and health in the region.Gender discrimination in education sector in addition persists in Pakistan especially amongst the poorest households because of poverty and social factors but is virtually non-existent in rich households. Only 18 percent of women have received 10 years or of more schooling. There are 296,832 students enrolled in degree level educations in public sector institutions, and 62 percent of them are female while 38 percent are male students. But very small number (less than one percent) of girl students in rural institutions. In higher secondary education, only 16 percent of students from the total number are from rural areas and among them, the female ratio is quite low, and it remains so in the secondary and primary education sectors.

[Prem]

Endangered heritage

Adopting Jihala Denying The Fourfathers Genes

THE Indus Valley Civilisation, stretching over the area that today constitutes Pakistan, is probably the oldest known to mankind. From the remote northern reaches of the Hindu Kush mountains to the Indus River delta in the south, and along the vast expanses of land on both sides of the Indus and its tributaries, exist traces of a rich past going back in antiquity.Without doubt it is the largest ancient civilisation in the world, and yet no place else on earth is such amazing heritage under more threat than in Pakistan.The earliest known ‘food-producing’ era (7,000-5,000 BC) was Mehrgarh in the ‘kachi plains’ of Balochistan. This is the oldest known ‘settled village life’ habitation, where crops were produced, skins tanned, copper mined and metal worked.Life at Mehrgarh existed till 2,600 BC. It was roughly in this time period (3,300-2,800 BC) that the Harappan cities along the Ravi came about. Mohenjodaro and other Sindh cities by then were busy trading towns.Experts believe that the cities of Multan, Hyderabad, Lahore and Peshawar came about in this time period. Numerous smaller towns like Bhera sprouted up. All of them were on major trading routes.Immensely rich that Pakistan is in its heritage, there seems to be a reluctance to accept this heritage. History in Pakistan, it seems, starts from the time the Afghan invader Mahmud of Ghazni pillaged the areas that are Pakistan and beyond. Inhundreds of years of Muslim rulers, foreign invaders cemented the mentality that all cultures alien to the invader did not deserve consideration.Pakistan, it could be reasonably argued, was born out of such a worldview. From this, right or wrong, flows the undeniable fact that culture is a low priority of Pakistani life. But then what is culture. The poet Faiz summed it up succinctly when he said: “Everything that exists on the ground is our culture.”This is exactly what Unesco’s World Heritage Convention states, warning that human intervention, as well as natural causes, is destroying the heritage of the world, and needs to be reversed.
No place else is this more relevant than in Pakistan. We rightly vent anger and dismay at the destruction of the Buddha statues in Bamiyan in Afghanistan, yet what is happening in Pakistan is even more dire.From the Hindu Kush to the coast of Makran, from the mountains of Afghanistan to the plains of Punjab, thousands of monuments exist that were once part and parcel of our lives.Today they are fast disappearing. Even ancient sites like Mehrgarh, Harappa and Mohenjodaro are starved of funds to preserve, let alone conserve.Take a small town like Bhera, the place where Alexander clashed with the local ruler called the ‘Puru’, or Porus in its Latinised version.Mind you Porus defeated the foreigner, even though respectable Western historians follow the Greek description of how their leader fared. But then Bhera remains an exquisite walled city that is disintegrating. Ancient Hindu temples have been knocked down and the houses of members of a religious sect have been reduced to ashes. The once old centre of power is today a ghost town.

[ramana]

Ambar, If its a US shoe on TSPA then they (TSPA) are between a hammer (TTP) and anvil (US).
If so then the LOC escalation against India would be to remove the anvil.

[Agnimitra]

"We're getting conflicting reports from both sides. The Indians saying that this was retaliatory fire for a mortar attack coming from the Pakistani side. However, the Pakistani military said a number of Indian soldiers took on a Pakistani military post, after which the Pakistanis retaliated and the Indians were forced to flee, leaving some of their weapons behind," our correspondent said.

How can there be a conflicting report.
There is only on way for the terrorists to cross the border from Pakistan to India.
It is only the Pakistan which wants to come inside India and jihad is only on the Pakistan side

Acharya ji, that is my question also. This question from putnanja is important and needs to be answered:

Some interesting tidbit from economic times report...

India vs Pakistan: First ceasefire violations of 2013 in Haji Pir sector

...
Pakistan, however, has claimed that India army crossed the LoC and left two of its soldiers injured. One of the injured later died, reports from Islamabad quoting army sources said. However, defence sources in Baramulla denied they breached the LoC. The dispute is about an outpost that Indian army had left unmanned for some time. While the soldiers were deployed to this post, this triggered today's crisis.

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So does this mean that the pakis now occupy this post that India had vacated during winter?

Its unusual for IA to take such aggressive action "across LoC" unless something is seriously wrong...

[shiv]

Its unusual for IA to take such aggressive action "across LoC" unless something is seriously wrong...

It is unusual for it to become public.

[putnanja]

Its unusual for IA to take such aggressive action "across LoC" unless something is seriously wrong...

It is unusual for it to become public.

Yes, usually it is handled at the ground level. Are the pakis crying wolf to prevent India from retaking the post again? Trying to put pressure on New Delhi so that the govt asks IA to let things be?