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And read about the lore about the females.

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Some US Constitutional rights were violated in the heat of the night in Watertown. Wonder under whose orders and whether it was a consious decision?

SWAT Teams ordered neighbors to vacate houses

Especially now it comes to light Dzhokar T didn't even have a gun!
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CBS News:
Looking back through the fog of manhunt
(CBS News) During the hunt for the Boston bomb suspects, authorities struggled to maintain control over pace of developing information and media reporting. The Boston search was both helped and hindered by the involvement of mainstream media and the public by way of social media but CBS News' John Miller reports that Boston police and FBI investigators could not sort fact from fiction among themselves in some cases.

For example, an initial report issued police incorrectly claimed that the suspects robbed a 7-Eleven.

Another false report put out over the police radio said that the suspects had stolen a state police SUV.

The police radio dispatcher advised, "Lots of shots being fired, stolen SUV from state police, copy, stolen SUV from state police." The false report led to officers firing on a Massachusetts State Police SUV that was occupied by another police officer and an FBI agent. No one was hurt but the origin of the false report remains a mystery.

In Watertown, Mass., where authorities ultimately apprehended the surviving suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, there was confusion at the scene and misreporting of the facts by police and more widely by media outlets scrambling to offer a play-by-play of the dramatic manhunt. Police believed that the suspect had a self-inflicted gunshot wound and was shooting at them from the boat where he was hiding.

When they searched the boat, they found no gun.


"The first version of the facts is never right," Miller said Wednesday on "CBS This Morning."

Former Boston Police Commissioner Bill Bratton emphasized the importance of information sourcing while sifting through reports in what he calls "the fog of war."

"The most useful question is where did this come from, what is the source?" Bratton said, emphasizing that in fast-moving situations, "you're making life and death decisions based on that information."

"It's hard to try to slow it down but you must slow it down," Bratton explained, "And that's the responsibility of the leadership in these things. Get your arms around it and slow it down rather than accelerate it."

New York Times media columnist Brian Stelter told "CBS This Morning" that misreporting in the wake of the Boston bomb attack was "heightened by the web, heightened by social media" and involved "a lot of social media users retweeting the police scanner, which is some cases was misinformation to begin with."

"[It's] amateur sleuthing," Stelter said of so-called social media manhunt. "It came from a good place. People wanted to help but they didn't know how to help."

Miller added that authorities are often forced to publicize details they know will change down the line.

"They don't have a choice anymore ... the media isn't going to wait. ... The officials have to be the source... if they don't become the source, then everyone else does and they know even less."
We still havent heard what kind of weapons were found nor a retraction of the self inflicted wound. Accounts on media still say there was shoot out at the boat when it was the police firing at the suspect only.
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glenn beck/blaze. :)

was it posted earlier here?

and check the counter..
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imo there were multiple swat from as far away as CT and NH, ATF, FBI, various town cops, drug unit cops, state police, national guard, perhaps ex-SF "advisers"...the fact they managed to get this diverse force to act somewhat cohesively is amazing in itself. in some photos you could see 5 guys crouching behind a wall, each with a different logo on his jacket.

they must be doing some drills to have the communication and chain of command work. the place where the mayor/gov was giving press conf was being sanitized by the nashua,NH bomb squad.

we do not have so many agencies in India and thats a good thing, given the state of our co-ordination, political interference and bitter red tapism.
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he is a well-known conspiracy theorist. So he's looking for a brown skinned ringleader?
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if the cover story of the saudi student having a F1 visa for Ohio, but staying in a apartment in Boston for mauj masti is true, then why was his deportation file classified and never explained if its due to simple immigration violation or something blacker.
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Singha wrote:imo there were multiple swat from as far away as CT and NH, ATF, FBI, various town cops, drug unit cops, state police, national guard, perhaps ex-SF "advisers"...the fact they managed to get this diverse force to act somewhat cohesively is amazing in itself. in some photos you could see 5 guys crouching behind a wall, each with a different logo on his jacket.

they must be doing some drills to have the communication and chain of command work. the place where the mayor/gov was giving press conf was being sanitized by the nashua,NH bomb squad.

we do not have so many agencies in India and thats a good thing, given the state of our co-ordination, political interference and bitter red tapism.
Clear mandates and laws help. Clarity in Demarcation of jurisdiction between local crimes and federal one's is coupled with an entire supporting justice infrastructure. An educated and engaged polity, especially at local levels keeps elected officials directly accountable. This process is further aided by a clear separation of powers. After 26/11, Delhi reelected the INC within 3 months and MH reelected the INC within one year of the event!!

Rest is all the magic of $$ at work.
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all that you say is the back end - the front end is getting 5000 people fro 10 agencies to work together within 2 hrs of a incident and arrange for a unified command, vehicles, fuel, food, replacements...I dont think we even have the front end in place. I wonder how many approvals it would need to get a FLIR equipped helicopter here comandeered from the IAF. it would have to come from vayu bhavan itself and on request from defence ministry whom the MHA would have to engage with.
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Singha wrote:all that you say is the back end - the front end is getting 5000 people fro 10 agencies to work together within 2 hrs of a incident and arrange for a unified command, vehicles, fuel, food, replacements...I dont think we even have the front end in place. I wonder how many approvals it would need to get a FLIR equipped helicopter here comandeered from the IAF. it would have to come from vayu bhavan itself and on request from defence ministry whom the MHA would have to engage with.
yes, but without the backend in place, the front end will have no chance. It was a pitiful sight for the pandus of Mumbai to standby and "wait" for the NSG/IA to step in, why? EVERY state government has law and order almost as its exclusive jurisdiction, yet the type of investment by state governments in internal security is pitiful. So come a 26/11 like event or a blast in Zaveri Bazaar, the ineptitude, the lack of coordination, lack of resources, confusion of jurisdiction all of it shows.
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true that. given the density of miscreants here, state police need to be able to manage. the training of state police commandos by NSG was supposed to bridge that gap...and now the zonal NSG hubs...

how good it is, we will know after the next 26/11

though marcos are military SF, I think they also practice assaulting oil rigs & ships taken over by mock terrorists so some elements of hostage rescue are part of their curriculum...not as 24x7 as nsg though. also afaik the regular army SF curriculum does not feature any hostage rescue drills?
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see, multiple events could be happening and will happen at the same instant. it could have been not connected at all, but would want to hide other truths.. for example, when boston cops came door to door, i am sure, most drug addicts and smugglers must have had heart attacks. totally not connected, but acts of evil forces.

connecting the right dots are important.
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lingering questions about younger bro being shot when unarmed is going mainstream now. police are passing it off as "fog of war" and the police commissioner himself says that boat was not outside search perimeter and it should have been searched. it was 4-5 blocks away from the abandoned car and perhaps a K9 unit might have helped.

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foxnews
Toy car parts likely used to detonate marathon bombs, investigators conclude
By Catherine HerridgePublished April 24, 2013FoxNews.com
Authorities investigating the Boston Marathon bombing have concluded that the bombs mostly likely relied on components from remote-controlled toy cars for the detonation mechanism, according to a bulletin from the FBI and Homeland Security Department.

Fox News has learned that the bulletin, sent Monday night to update local, state and federal law enforcement, is based on new forensic analysis of the bombs and reads in part, “each device likely incorporated an electric fusing system using components from remote controlled toy cars, such as a transmitter and receiver pair operating at 2.4 GigaHertz, and an electric speed controller used as a switch mechanism and sub-c rechargeable battery packs as power source."

House Homeland Security Committee Mike McCaul, who has been briefed on the bombing investigation, told Fox News the new information is further confirmation the two bombs were not made by amateurs.

“This transmitter that was used out of a toy car, that's a very sophisticated pressure cooker bomb that you don't see every day," McCaul said. "My judgment is they had training performed by either an individual or individuals who are still at large.”

Fox News is told the bulletin also concludes that the two bombs were not identical, as the early reporting suggested. One bomb contained bb’s and nails for shrapnel, while the other only contained nails.

Jonathan Gilliam, a former member of the FBI’s New York Joint Terrorism Task Force and former Navy SEAL, told Fox News that the quantity and effectiveness of the devices also suggested formal, hands-on training, not expertise that could be gleaned from online Al Qaeda instruction manuals like “Inspire” magazine.


“If you look in a book and try to construct something, you can make an object. But when you add in explosives to it and you don't know how those explosives should be handled, you're setting yourself up for a lost hand or even life," Gilliam explained.

Fox News was told the type of explosive was listed in the bulletin as a “blend” containing “nitrate and perchlorate-based oxidizers,” which Gilliam added was consistent with fireworks explosives. Fox News confirmed Monday that Tamerlan Tsarnaev bought fireworks on Feb. 6 in New Hampshire and asked for the most powerful and loudest available.
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DEBKA

http://www.debka.com/article/22914/The- ... error-trap

The Tsarnaev brothers were double agents who decoyed US into terror trap
DEBKAfile Exclusive Analysis April 20, 2013, 4:39 PM (GMT+02:00)

The big questions buzzing over Boston Bombers Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev have a single answer: It emerged in the 102 tense hours between the twin Boston Marathon bombings Monday, April 15 – which left three dead, 180 injured and a police officer killed at MIT - and Dzohkhar’s capture Friday, April 19 in Watertown.

The conclusion reached by DEBKAfile’s counterterrorism and intelligence sources is that the brothers were double agents, hired by US and Saudi intelligence to penetrate the Wahhabi jihadist networks which, helped by Saudi financial institutions, had spread across the restive Russian Caucasian.

Instead, the two former Chechens betrayed their mission and went secretly over to the radical Islamist networks.

By this tortuous path, the brothers earned the dubious distinction of being the first terrorist operatives to import al Qaeda terror to the United States through a winding route outside the Middle East – the Caucasus.

This broad region encompasses the autonomous or semi-autonomous Muslim republics of Dagestan, Ingushetia, Kabardino-Balkaria, Chechnya, North Ossetia and Karachyevo-Cherkesiya, most of which the West has never heard of.

Moscow however keeps these republics on a tight military and intelligence leash, constantly putting down violent resistance by the Wahhabist cells, which draw support from certain Saudi sources and funds from the Riyadh government for building Wahhabist mosques and schools to disseminate the state religion of Saudi Arabia.

The Saudis feared that their convoluted involvement in the Caucasus would come embarrassingly to light when a Saudi student was questioned about his involvement in the bombng attacks while in a Boston hospital with badly burned hands.

They were concerned to enough to send Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saudi al-Faisal to Washington Wednesday, April 17, in the middle of the Boston Marathon bombing crisis, for a private conversation with President Barack Obama and his national security adviser Tom Donilon on how to handle the Saudi angle of the bombing attack.

That day too, official Saudi domestic media launched an extraordinary three-day campaign. National and religious figures stood up and maintained that authentic Saudi Wahhabism does not espouse any form of terrorism or suicide jihadism and the national Saudi religion had nothing to do with the violence in Boston. “No matter what the nationality and religious of the perpetrators, they are terrorists and deviants who represent no one but themselves.”

Prince Saud was on a mission to clear the 30,000 Saudi students in America of suspicion of engaging in terrorism for their country or religion, a taint which still lingers twelve years after 9/11. He was concerned that exposure of the Tsarnaev brothers’ connections with Wahhabist groups in the Caucasus would revive the stigma.

The Tsarnaevs' recruitment by US intelligence as penetration agents against terrorist networks in southern Russia explains some otherwise baffling features of the event:

1. An elite American college in Cambridge admitted younger brother Dzhokhar and granted him a $2,500 scholarship, without subjecting him to the exceptionally stiff standard conditions of admission. This may be explained by his older brother Tamerlan demanding this privilege for his kid brother in part payment for recruitment.

2. When in 2011, a “foreign government” (Russian intelligence) asked the FBI to screen Tamerlan for suspected ties to Caucasian Wahhabist cells during a period in which they had begun pledging allegiance to al Qaeda, the agency, it was officially revealed, found nothing incriminating against him and let him go after a short interview.

He was not placed under surveillance. Neither was there any attempt to hide the fact that he paid a long visit to Russia last year and on his return began promoting radical Islam on social media.

Yet even after the Boston marathon bombings, when law enforcement agencies, heavily reinforced by federal and state personnel, desperately hunted the perpetrators, Tamerlan Tsarnaev was never mentioned as a possible suspect

3. Friday, four days after the twin explosions at the marathon finishing line, the FBI released footage of Suspect No. 1 in a black hat and Suspect No. 2 in a white hat walking briskly away from the crime scene, and appealed to the public to help the authorities identify the pair.

We now know this was a charade. The authorities knew exactly who they were. Suddenly, during the police pursuit of their getaway car from the MIT campus on Friday, they were fully identified. The brother who was killed in the chase was named Tamerlan, aged 26, and the one who escaped, only to be hunted down Saturday night hiding in a boat, was 19-year old Dzhokhar.

Our intelligence sources say that we may never know more than we do today about the Boston terrorist outrage which shook America – and most strikingly, Washington - this week. We may not have the full story of when and how the Chechen brothers were recruited by US intelligence as penetration agents – any more than we have got to the bottom of tales of other American double agents who turned coat and bit their recruiters.

Here is just a short list of some of the Chechen brothers’ two-faced predecessors:

In the 1980s, an Egyptian called Ali Abdul Saoud Mohamed offered his services as a spy to the CIA residence in Cairo. He was hired, even though he was at the time the official interpreter of Ayman al-Zuwahiri, then Osama bin Laden’s senior lieutenant and currently his successor.
He accounted for this by posing as a defector. But then, he turned out to be feeding al Qaeda US military secrets. Later, he was charged with Al Qaeda’s 1998 bombings of US embassies in Nairobi and Dar es-Salaam.

On Dec. 30, 2009, the Jordanian physician Humam Khalil al-Balawi, having gained the trust of US intelligence in Afghanistan as an agent capable of penetrating al Qaeda’s top ranks, detonated a bomb at a prearranged rendezvous in Kost, killing the four top CIA agents in the country.

Then, there was the French Muslim Mohamed Merah. He was recruited by French intelligence to penetrate Islamist terror cells in at least eight countries, including the Caucasus. At the end of last year, he revealed his true spots in deadly attacks on a Jewish school in Toulouse and a group of French military commandoes.

The debate has begun over the interrogation of the captured Boston bomber Dzhokhar Tsarmayev when he is fit for questioning after surgery for two bullet wounds and loss of blood. The first was inflicted during the police chase in which his brother Tamerlan was killed.

An ordinary suspect would be read his rights (Miranda) and be permitted a lawyer. In his case, the “public safety exemption” option may be invoked, permitting him to be questioned without those rights, provided the interrogation is restricted to immediate public safety concerns. President Barack Obama is also entitled to rule him an “enemy combatant” and so refer him to a military tribunal and unrestricted grilling.

According to DEBKAfile’s counter terror sources, four questions should top the interrogators' agenda:
a) At what date did the Tsarnaev brothers turn coat and decide to work for Caucasian Wahhabi networks?
b) Did they round up recruits for those networks in the United States - particularly, among the Caucasian and Saudi communities?
c) What was the exact purpose of the Boston Marathon bombings and their aftermath at MIT in Watertown?
d) Are any more terrorist attacks in the works in other American cities?
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The conclusion reached by DEBKAfile’s counterterrorism and intelligence sources is that the brothers were double agents, hired by US and Saudi intelligence to penetrate the Wahhabi jihadist networks which, helped by Saudi financial institutions, had spread across the restive Russian Caucasian.

Instead, the two former Chechens betrayed their mission and went secretly over to the radical Islamist networks.
David Headley types. So this CT is not something created by BRF as claimed by some.
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Not sure if this has been posted before. Perhaps worth a read.

A 2007 report commissioned by the NY Police Department:

Radicalization in the West: The Homegrown Threat
Prepared by:
Mitchell D. Silber and Arvin Bhatt
Senior Intelligence Analysts
NYPD Intelligence Division
In August 2007, Mr. Silber and Arvin Bhatt wrote what was then considered a controversial police-department report arguing that with the attrition of al Qaeda's leadership, the primary threat to New York would come from "homegrown" Muslims under the age of 35 who had become Islamists in the West.

Based on an analysis of 11 plots against Western targets between 9/11 and 2006, their report, "Radicalization in the West: The Homegrown Threat," concluded that most of the plotters were "unremarkable" citizens who had undergone often rapid radicalization, 90% of them in the West. The analysts identified a pattern of radicalization and listed common characteristics before a person committed a terrorist act. The report also warned: "The Internet is a driver and enabler for . . . radicalization."
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Singha wrote:DEBKA

http://www.debka.com/article/22914/The- ... error-trap

The Tsarnaev brothers were double agents who decoyed US into terror trap
DEBKAfile Exclusive Analysis April 20, 2013, 4:39 PM (GMT+02:00)

...Friday, four days after the twin explosions at the marathon finishing line, the FBI released footage of Suspect No. 1 in a black hat and Suspect No. 2 in a white hat walking briskly away from the crime scene, and appealed to the public to help the authorities identify the pair.

We now know this was a charade. The authorities knew exactly who they were.
As I said, watch that press conference... and the timing...

Now on to some pointers on media spin. We have been hearing some words, terms very regularly on American media - Dagestan, Kazakhstan, Kirghistan, 6 month long Russia trip, self radicalization, run over by younger brother, learning bomb making from internet, etc etc. These are all red-herrings or (WMDs Iraq style), have no direct connection to this incident and can therefore be safely ignored.
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foxnews

The CIA had Tamerlan Tsarnaev's name put into a terror watchlist after being contacted by Russian authorities in 2011, sources told Fox News -- raising more questions about why the Boston bomber's trip to Russia the following year didn't raise more red flags.

Sources say the Russians contacted the FBI once in March 2011, and several months later they contacted the CIA about Tsarnaev.
In October 2011, the CIA sent information to many federal agencies and to "the watchlisting system" about him, the sources say. That step ultimately put him on the vast TIDE database of people potentially tied to terrorism cases.

The FBI has said previously that it was told Tsarnaev was a "follower of radical Islam" and was preparing to travel to a foreign country to join unspecified underground groups. The FBI said that it responded by interviewing Tsarnaev and family members, but found no terrorism activity.
In early 2012, Tsarnaev would travel to Russia for six months. The nature of that trip is still unclear.
Two top Republican senators are now calling for a Senate Homeland Security Committee hearing on the Boston Marathon bombings, as lawmakers question whether enough was done to prevent the attack.
Sens. John McCain, R-Ariz., and Kelly Ayotte, R-NH, requested the hearing Wednesday, saying "it has become increasingly apparent that more questions need to be answered regarding the failure to prevent this tragedy."
The senators cited the reporting by Fox News and others that Russian officials contacted the U.S. government at least twice in 2011 with concerns about Tsarnaev, the Chechen who two years later would carry out last week's deadly bombing of the Boston Marathon, as an example of an instance that merits further investigation.
"In a string of apparent intelligence-sharing lapses, Tamerlan Tsarnaev was able to slip through the cracks and carry out this devastating attack," the senators said.
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There has been lot of talk of involvement of a sleeper cell in the recent blasts. Might be a speculation.

But one thing is clear. It is America (along with Britain) which is actually sleeping. The monster that they have fed and raised will screw them thoroughly and then some more. The process has already started and slowly but surely America is on its way to losing its safety, prosperity and above all its Freedom.

While America may tom-tom the neutralization of these two terrorists, truth is that they managed to shutdown a major city for 48 hours, ensured that constitutional rights and freedoms of tens of thousands were violated, millions were spent just on the manhunt and billions must be the damage to city's economy. And the gradual march of America to becoming a Police state has greatly accelerated.Welcome to USSA. With this over the top reaction, America's soft underbelly lies exposed.

The message is clear to islamists. A small group of determined men can hold a whole city hostage for a significant amount of time. A promising template for future attacks has been handed over to paradise loving Homicidal-Suicidal Jihadis by Americans on a platter.
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Singha wrote:lingering questions about younger bro being shot when unarmed is going mainstream now. police are passing it off as "fog of war" and the police commissioner himself says that boat was not outside search perimeter and it should have been searched. it was 4-5 blocks away from the abandoned car and perhaps a K9 unit might have helped.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/20 ... mid=google

And:
Lingering questions about the manhunt
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There are two tracks to this case:
The criminal case of a bomb attack on a crowded place and how it was executed.This one is under control and is clear. The guy will get sentenced for it.
The other is the national secuirty case. What was now dead TT doging in Russia? What was his means of living all this time without a job? What other radicals he was in contact with?
This one is totally fuzzy due to agencies incompetence or wilfull negligence. and TT being dead due to Watertown police exccesive zeal.

Also what kind of pea shooters the police is using that needs so many shots to kill him?

In India most of the time one police bullet puts away the perpetrator.
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Khan police like to empty whole mags in general direction of the enemy. Remember amadou diallo? He got killed by some 41 bullets from 4 cops, 19 of which struck.

So its not marksmanship but spray and pray approach.
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Def looks as though they were informants. The older brother at least.
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Body pulled from river is that of Sunil Tripathi

Body is that of Sunil Tripathi

RIP young man. Very very sorry to read about your demise.

Shame on all those who tried to pin the Boston Bombings on you. It shows their racist bias which is thin veneer.

Hope they rot in this world only.


My heart goes out to his family and the Indian American community. Such a promising career cut short so soon.
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Am going out on a limb and say - the Boston operation has "Putin" written all over it.
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Too bad, feel sad him, even in death they didn't leave him and family alone.
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We knew Sunil's family and it is obviously very hard. When the news broke yesterday, everyone was hoping that the body found was not Sunil's - CNN's Piers Morgan had Sunil's brother and Sister on his program at 9PM (when the reports of body found was already spread but people ( including Piers Morgon) were still hoping). He painted his hand on the program itself and also later tweeted .. Help find Sunil #Tripathi by posting your own photo to http://on.fb.me/11DkgYN . Here @PiersMorgan "Lends A Hand."
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Request to those who care, or pray - Please post a message on family's facebook page. , or send a prayer.
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Singha wrote:Khan police like to empty whole mags in general direction of the enemy. Remember amadou diallo? He got killed by some 41 bullets from 4 cops, 19 of which struck.

So its not marksmanship but spray and pray approach.
So no difference between Khan and Somalia in this aspect. Khan cops are much more trigger/force happy than cops I have seen anywhere else in the world (dunno about Pak/Af cops).
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darshhan wrote: With this over the top reaction, America's soft underbelly lies exposed.
Long ago in the days before TV in India MAD magazine had a spoof on poetry competitions in which the winner wrote a two line poem. The poem was:
I think that Abraham Lincoln backed himself into a corner when when he said " Fourscore and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal."

Then what do you do for a sequel?
The first line is long and detailed. leaving nothing for the second line.

The US reacted to 9-11 by attacking two countries and spending a trillion dollars and losing over 6000 men - twice as many people as were killed by the attacks of 9-11. Until last month people have told me on and off BRF that the US has been safe from terror ever since.

If the US is not safe from terror now, it only means that future reactions to terror are likely to be more and more meek compared to the reaction to the first attack. Bush simply blamed Afghanistan and attacked although the problem was Pakistan. Even today the vast majority of Americans think that Al Qaeda existed in Afghanistan.

US leaders are liars and national prosperity and mostly peace creates and army of apologists for the US who protest all over the world at any suggestion that the US might be wrong. and insist that the US gets it right, or as a back up excuse - the US can afford to get it wrong. Really? So the US can afford to get it wrong? So the US is safe from terror now?

Lifestyles will change. Marathons won't be the same. Nor will parades. And responses to terror will be muted. The US had a chance and got it wrong. If cannot afford to do things that way any more. Another brick loosened from the US wall of infallibility and invincibility.
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On the topic of Circassians; along with Georgian the Circassian women had the most chances of becoming a wife in the Turkic harlems. Partly because of the skin color (and beauty). Hence they were pretty popular.
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SaiK wrote:totally nutcase bros. quite scary to be living like garooda on the same lane.
Correction :) I do not live in Boston. The images are from the individual who shot the video and pics. There is a link for it too in my post.
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AmberG, The thing hits me hard. Long ago there was Indian Physics PhD student at Georgetown, Washington DC. A genius kid with very high IQ. He went for a walk after dinner and never came back. No trace of him was found. His two brothers had the sad task of informing their old parents back in India who both promptly expired from the shock. I had the sad task to thelp them clean up.
Since then my rules for my family are no going out in urban areas after 8:00pm no matter what.

If you know the family please ,please convey my and our forum regards to the family. Will be grateful to you for this kind act.
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chanakyaa wrote:Slightly of topic..Chechnya and Oil
http://goo.gl/diwwf
Yep. I had posted a link in the previous thread about Boston Bombing. Thats another take on this possible initiation/jump start/kick start event.
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SaiK wrote:it does look like boxer arms... and he does have the paki nose
Most boxers have that broken nose. IMO he can pass for many different nationalities.
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Jhujar wrote:Dal me Kaala Nahi Dal Hi Kaali hai, Amrika waale nahi Samjate yeh baat jo Samajne wali hai !
These terrorists' Paki state Of Mind is known but Slow and steady Paki State connection will come out. We have another week or so to find out.
IMO even they know/knew about it, it will never come out :) It has always been that way.
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So no difference between Khan and Somalia in this aspect. Khan cops are much more trigger/force happy than cops I have seen anywhere else in the world (dunno about Pak/Af cops).[/quote]

the US cops generally use 9mm light glock or beretta type pistols. very less stopping power vs the old school 0.45 colt wielded by dirty harry. I could not see a single such large revolver in use during boston ops. so maybe the idea is a strong drug crazed or angry guy coming at the police might not get downed by a single shot so they empty the mag to be sure...sounds like its the training policy because all cop shooters seem to do it.
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ShauryaT wrote:An educated and engaged polity, especially at local levels keeps elected officials directly accountable. ...
Rest is all the magic of $$ at work.
OT Alert
ShauryaT ji,

Since we are comparing US and India, we know that India doesn't have $$ nor the educated polity. Is it your contention then that only educated people should be allowed to stand for elections in India? Do you also want to impose certain minimum land holdings/assets as a qualification too? Do you also want people have a certain minimum education level to participate in elections? Would people with higher education will have priority? Would people with more assets have priority? Foreign educated? US higher than UK?

Mind you the above are not rhetorical. One can certainly have a political system of that kind. In fact US has started that way. If you think that India should go to this kind of a system, I would like you to expand on that and flesh it out.

I do not want to continue on an OT path, so I will this here till you specify where you want to answer. Then I will move it there so that if both of us are inclined, we can continue.
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Plenty of stories in CNN et al that no gun was found in the boat area. So how did the guy get a 'self inflicted' wound that makes him speechless? And what about the so called cross-fire? WaterTown police chief said ~200 rounds were fired implying that the suspects were heavily armed and firing back. Look slike most of the firing was by po0lice who shot everywhere else but the suspect. Look at the pictures of the street with bullet marks in buildings etc. Was the elder T run over by the younger at all?
How come no Massachusetts State charges on the younger T? Where is that M4 rifle they were talking about?
They need more marksmen training especially SWAT teams and also truthful after action reporting. Need to make that a criminal offence.
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matrimc wrote: ShauryaT ji,

Since we are comparing US and India, we know that India doesn't have $$ nor the educated polity. Is it your contention then that only educated people should be allowed to stand for elections in India? Do you also want to impose certain minimum land holdings/assets as a qualification too? Do you also want people have a certain minimum education level to participate in elections? Would people with higher education will have priority? Would people with more assets have priority? Foreign educated? US higher than UK?

Mind you the above are not rhetorical. One can certainly have a political system of that kind. In fact US has started that way. If you think that India should go to this kind of a system, I would like you to expand on that and flesh it out.

I do not want to continue on an OT path, so I will this here till you specify where you want to answer. Then I will move it there so that if both of us are inclined, we can continue.
Assuming there are no rhetorical questions there (please do not take it personally, many come with a closed mind on the issue) then the answer to some of those can be explored and I do have some thoughts there but they come from a purely Indian world view of things, without any due or credit and minimal influence, if any from western sources or other challenges.

Many experts too have dwelled on the above questions in detail and have read some of these works. I think the agenda thread would be the most appropriate to explore some of the above questions and I have some of these in part.

I would love to explore them but am afraid being an open thread, many others have other ideas on what that thread is about and I do not have the bandwidth to go into an endless argument and 6000 other issues faced by the nation. We can also take it off line also. Let me know, where you would like to continue, however, I should caution, I may take some time to answer, so instant twitter responses should not be expected. Thanks.
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Ramana, in all likelihood they did not shoot at him, as he was wanted alive, but ricocheted ones must have hit him. They just wanted to do shock and awe to get him out of the boat.
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ShauryaT ji,
No hurry. Keep it short if you wish, and preferably in the open (in whichever thread you think is proper). It would be very hard to change my mind since I strongly believe in universal suffrage, but one never knows. If a majority are agreeable to your plan, then I would like to know what your plans are for people of my ilk.
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