AP Politics and runup to 2014 General elections

yvijay · Post by **yvijay** » 02 Aug 2013 02:12

^Even in Hyderabad, nobody is believing that division has already happened. There are no celebrations on scale one would have expected. Everybody is waiting to see, whether congress would really pass the bill in the parliament. Looks like most people have no trust in congress words. Even TRS is saying, wait until the bill is passed.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 02 Aug 2013 02:26

^^^^
If congis have no intention of splitting AP, then why this periodic nautanki of creating Telangana.

with this it is already on a weak wicket in seema AP.
If telanganites dont get their state then congis will be scr*w*d there also.

If they want to decimate TDP then this is not the way to do -- as congis ended up hurting themselves more than TDP.
politics is the art of keeping both sides pleased.
here congis taking a pole position.

surely something is amiss. or may be I missed it.

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 02 Aug 2013 02:30

The destruction of nehru family statues in seema AP is unprecedented in the history of India post 1947.

never before has this happened.

(not sure about TN agitation where congis lost foothold for ever in 1960s etc)

irony of all -- foriner founded congis party and fiornier is destroying it.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 02 Aug 2013 02:32

Not much destroyed. Only in Anantapur. The violence is triggered by YSRC.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 02 Aug 2013 05:03

Looks like INC has suicided in AP:

AP plunges into crisis as three ministers, 36 MLAs resign

http://www.deccanherald.com/content/348 ... sters.html

Meanwhile Congress supporting media touts economic benefits of separation

TOI and ET.

hanumadu · Post by **hanumadu** » 02 Aug 2013 05:26

^^^

A key demand of the Seemandhra leaders is that they want Hyderabad to be made a Union Territory or be made a permanent joint capital of Telangana and the residual state of Andhra Pradesh.

The group is also learnt to have made a demand to merge two districts of Anantpur and Kurnool of Rayalaseema region with Telangana

Shows it is the commercial interest that is speaking than brotherly love for Telangana. Not saying that common Seemandhra folks do not genuinely desire a united AP. Hyderabad is right in the center of Telangana - how can it be a joint capital? What economic benefits are there to them by adding Anantapur and Kurnool to Telangana?

vina · Post by **vina** » 02 Aug 2013 05:35

hanumadu wrote: What economic benefits are there by adding Anantapur and Kurnool to Telangana?

So that Telengana can bear the cost of carrying Rayalseema , which by all accounts is an arid dry place. This is the politics of not keeping anyone in, but kicking someone out because they are your poor cousins.

And someone was saying that this united Andhra is the emotional cause of the unity of Telugu people ?

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 02 Aug 2013 05:47

permanent joint capital is not a bad idea, when you think about seat sharing based revenue sharing. still advantage T rather since hyd qualifies to be in T geographically. so they can take 60% share.. or is it AP is asking for 50:50?

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 02 Aug 2013 05:48

ShyamSP wrote: Now we understand Tamilians' angst

Not tamilians angst, a tamilian angst. Generalization used wrong way to support preconceived prejudices only strengthen stereotype.

hanumadu · Post by **hanumadu** » 02 Aug 2013 05:49

^^^Vina, I meant the politicians who want those two districts added to Telangana. I edited my post to reflect it. Nevertheless, you have an interesting point.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 02 Aug 2013 05:54

SaiK wrote:are you theorizing that the telugus are still being chased down south?

The south saw migration from the north in the recent centuries. People moved around.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 02 Aug 2013 06:35

hanumadu wrote: Shows it is the commercial interest that is speaking than brotherly love for Telangana. Not saying that common Seemandhra folks do not genuinely desire a united AP. Hyderabad is right in the center of Telangana - how can it be a joint capital? What economic benefits are there to them by adding Anantapur and Kurnool to Telangana?

It is fair in war and love

Create a strawman to either to stop the division or to grab more funds. Right now there is a cost and grab it from all those who are supporting this division.

The division is final, these are the next moves to get money and make more projects as national etc etc.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 02 Aug 2013 06:38

vina wrote:
hanumadu wrote: What economic benefits are there by adding Anantapur and Kurnool to Telangana?
So that Telengana can bear the cost of carrying Rayalseema , which by all accounts is an arid dry place. This is the politics of not keeping anyone in, but kicking someone out because they are your poor cousins.

And someone was saying that this united Andhra is the emotional cause of the unity of Telugu people ?

It was for sure. Now the division is final. The war is on to grab more national funds. How is Delhi a huge city and at whose cost? Curse the Telugus but fund them to become more wealthy

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SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 02 Aug 2013 06:40

SwamyG wrote:
SaiK wrote:are you theorizing that the telugus are still being chased down south?
The south saw migration from the north in the recent centuries. People moved around.

That is different.. from chasing them away nah?

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 02 Aug 2013 07:02

Ayyo! statues of Gandhis. I'm nominating this for photo of the year.

http://www.eenadu.net/news/31panel7d.jpg

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 02 Aug 2013 07:15

Here is Indira

and off course Nehru Chacha

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 02 Aug 2013 07:17

Another Rajiv on the floor

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 02 Aug 2013 07:18

SaiK wrote:]pundit bhimsen joshi

Is he from Dharwad?

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 02 Aug 2013 07:25

See Sonia's dresses and attire

Dasari · Post by **Dasari** » 02 Aug 2013 07:41

hanumadu wrote:^^^
A key demand of the Seemandhra leaders is that they want Hyderabad to be made a Union Territory or be made a permanent joint capital of Telangana and the residual state of Andhra Pradesh.

The group is also learnt to have made a demand to merge two districts of Anantpur and Kurnool of Rayalaseema region with Telangana
Shows it is the commercial interest that is speaking than brotherly love for TelanganaNot saying that common Seemandhra folks do not genuinely desire a united AP. Hyderabad is right in the center of Telangana - how can it be a joint capital? What economic benefits are there to them by adding Anantapur and Kurnool to Telangana?

First explain us, is it the fraternal love towards 'nee kal mokkuta banchan' type poor people that T is being asked? Or is it really for water that can never be lifted, or for state govt jobs that hardly exist, or for atma gouravam for doralu to revive their past glory. Of course not. It was all fight for Hyderabad and to get a share of its wealth. Just like the united Andhra fight is for Hyderabad, the separate T is even more - a fight for Hyderabad? Is one's fight more glorious than the other?

Having said that, the fight is not against separate T anymore. My impression is that the common telugu man in SA doesn't care about Hyderabad anymore. Now it is all about getting some return for the 60 years of their hardwork, and to prevent resetting the clock all the way back to Nov 1st 1953.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 02 Aug 2013 07:47

matrimc wrote:
SaiK wrote:]pundit bhimsen joshi
Is he from Dharwad?

tutelage place.

close by areas.

dharwad ki hogtee?

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 02 Aug 2013 07:54

Well, maybe one can add a coupla districts from Rayalseema more tot he T-state but in return merge khammam and nalgonda zillas with AP. That way, Hyd would have some contiguity with AP also. No?

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 02 Aug 2013 07:57

Hari garu, who will even accept such scissioring?

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 02 Aug 2013 08:41

x-post - videos of destroying of statues

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 8#p1490838

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 02 Aug 2013 08:42

None. Note INC kept lot of options open like status of Hyd. No bill will be put in this session of Parliament. In fact bill will go through elaborate process etc which takes time. No details of proposed new capital are given as this is only party decision. It is possible even the Bill does not contain any details on water sharing capital etc. No promises were made in the decision of INC. Another very badly take decision. Lack of sensitivity and rubbish talk is clear indication that the main idea of this is Diggi raja. After Batla house stupidity which may cost INC dearly in UP he may have lost AP to INC and the state government may fall now.

It seems that sonia asked KKR to allow deployment of Army in AP to take action against pro andhra agitation. I hope that this will not lead to any firing etc. Why it happened last time some 400 people died.

Telugus deserve this for having voted to the evil rule for 2 terms.

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 02 Aug 2013 08:42

Who wil accept such a division? Well, the dumb telangANites - who else? As long as Hyd is there, then no matter. How about koApamu (kotta Andhra pradEshamu) takes hyDrabAD and gives tirupati, vishAkha paTTNamu, vijayawADa, kurnoolu, nellooru, rAjamaHendravaramu, kAkiNADa, gunTUru, kaDapa, bheemavaram, guDivADa, (and some more you can throw in if the "hated" Tites throw in Orugallu, nizamabad, nalgonDa, karImnagar - well you can change all the names as you want). If not, all of us go back to pApamu (pAta Andhra pradEshamu) (papamu telangana janalu - they will be doing "nee banchanu" to t, kosta, and seema doralu !).

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 02 Aug 2013 09:41

Nalgonda grouped with Kosta?! not happening. not anytime soon. I know a thing or two about Nalgonda, and that whole area will go up in flames if such a thing is even uttered. and they are not the usual flamboyant type people. their meaning of "flames" is quite different. they know how to make life miserable slowly, starting with little things and then building up. there is a reason why in Telangana, Nalgonda has a certain reputation for badhmashi that is quite different from the usual goondagiri of the Naxals.

grandfather spent some time there organizing degree/higher education in the 60's and 70's. to this day, he says he understood the real meaning of "badmashi" in that area, and could have gone his whole life without having to experience it.

vina · Post by **vina** » 02 Aug 2013 09:47

matrimc wrote:pundit bhimsen joshi Is he from Dharwad?

Yes. (Gadag, which is in Hubli-Dharwad area) , As is Gangubai Hangal (Hangal is close to Dharwad).

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 02 Aug 2013 10:03

Pt. Bheemsen Joshi, Pt. Malikarjun Mansoor, Gangubai Hangal, Pt. Basavaraj Rajguru et al and many others are from that area. I hope the art is still thriving there.

Pt. Kumar Gandharva ji was from Belgaum but essentially same/similar belt and background.

L Ram · Post by **L Ram** » 02 Aug 2013 10:18

devesh wrote:Nalgonda grouped with Kosta?! not happening. not anytime soon. I know a thing or two about Nalgonda, and that whole area will go up in flames if such a thing is even uttered. and they are not the usual flamboyant type people. their meaning of "flames" is quite different. they know how to make life miserable slowly, starting with little things and then building up. there is a reason why in Telangana, Nalgonda has a certain reputation for badhmashi that is quite different from the usual goondagiri of the Naxals.

grandfather spent some time there organizing degree/higher education in the 60's and 70's. to this day, he says he understood the real meaning of "badmashi" in that area, and could have gone his whole life without having to experience it.

AFAIK Munagala paragana was in krishna dist previously

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 02 Aug 2013 10:19

INC is creating chaos everywhere before the elections. Now every state has a separatist demand.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 02 Aug 2013 10:26

Muppalla wrote:Not much destroyed. Only in Anantapur. The violence is triggered by YSRC.

Now statue destroying is going on in all districts not just Anantapur, which has been leader as to how to do Samaikyandhra movement. Now they deployed CRPF/police protection for statues

http://www.eenadu.net/news/newsitem.asp ... panel&no=2

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 02 Aug 2013 10:44

ramana wrote:INC is creating chaos everywhere before the elections. Now every state has a separatist demand.

Emergency? Presidential Rule? Military rule under NAC (headed by Sonia of course).

Vayutuvan · Post by **Vayutuvan** » 02 Aug 2013 10:51

ShyamSP wrote:Now statue destroying is going on in all districts not just Anantapur, which has been leader as to how to do Samaikyandhra movement. Now they deployed CRPF/police protection for statues

Why the glee?

(I mean at the violence - nothing to do with INC-BJP-TDP politics).

disha · Post by **disha** » 02 Aug 2013 10:55

^^^ Hope this actually destroys Cong(I)s in Andhra Pradesh.

ShyamSP · Post by **ShyamSP** » 02 Aug 2013 11:54

matrimc wrote:
ShyamSP wrote:Now statue destroying is going on in all districts not just Anantapur, which has been leader as to how to do Samaikyandhra movement. Now they deployed CRPF/police protection for statues
Why the glee? (I mean at the violence - nothing to with INC-BJP-TDP politics).

Glee is not at violence in anyway.

In fact destroying status is not violence but effective message passing. Police are wasted for saving some cement statues. Glee is for those two

disha wrote:^^^ Hope this actually destroys Cong(I)s in Andhra Pradesh.

Until there is clarity that YSRC ditches INC including without post-poll alliance, they are two sides of same coin. YSRC may be doing dramas that they are destroying Gandhi statues to show they are against INC but may end up helping INC like PRP.

hanumadu · Post by **hanumadu** » 02 Aug 2013 12:40

Dasari wrote:
hanumadu wrote:
Shows it is the commercial interest that is speaking than brotherly love for TelanganaNot saying that common Seemandhra folks do not genuinely desire a united AP. Hyderabad is right in the center of Telangana - how can it be a joint capital? What economic benefits are there to them by adding Anantapur and Kurnool to Telangana?
First explain us, is it the fraternal love towards 'nee kal mokkuta banchan' type poor people that T is being asked? Or is it really for water that can never be lifted, or for state govt jobs that hardly exist, or for atma gouravam for doralu to revive their past glory. Of course not. It was all fight for Hyderabad and to get a share of its wealth. Just like the united Andhra fight is for Hyderabad, the separate T is even more - a fight for Hyderabad? Is one's fight more glorious than the other?

Having said that, the fight is not against separate T anymore. My impression is that the common telugu man in SA doesn't care about Hyderabad anymore. Now it is all about getting some return for the 60 years of their hardwork, and to prevent resetting the clock all the way back to Nov 1st 1953.

It is pretty obvious that both upper castes and lower castes want a separate Telangana. The 'doralu' is a thing of the past. It hasn't been like that for years now. What age are you in? Go to the villages and see. Heck, if Telangana comes, it will empower the lower castes more than they are now. Telangana is a death blow to doralu.

It is the marginal farmers that will benefit from water. The land lords can afford to dig wells. Not the marginal farmer with small land holdings.

For one hyderabad in Telangana, there are multiple centers in SA. Why harp on hyd so much? What about the rest of Telangana? What about the investments that went into the big water projects that benefit SA?

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 02 Aug 2013 14:49

We do not know that for sure sir. INC and TDP which are suppose to be anti T parties as per TRS and Naxal JAC have won handsomely in the just concluded Panchayath Elections. How can that happen if every one wants T State how come TRS did quite bad in most of the Telangana?

Let us be clear sir, this is about wining maximum MP seats in 2014 elections - There are not other background or idea behind it. Any one with pea size brain will understand that plan.

ashashi · Post by **ashashi** » 02 Aug 2013 15:45

News reports on how may congress ministers and legislators resigned is confusing.
Can someone shed light on the subject?

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 02 Aug 2013 16:48

ramana wrote:INC is creating chaos everywhere before the elections. Now every state has a separatist demand.

Ramana garu... INC's eye is firmly on 2014 elections, nothing else.... Any state/leader/party that gives an "impression" that it is against die-nasty's plans for 2014 will be targeted one way or other.

As long as power is in their hands, they do not care if nation is 28 states or 50 states or 562 princely/parliamentary states.

All we can do is pray that the opposition exposes this British India Colonizer for what it is.