Bharat Rakshak

KLNMurthy wrote:

ShyamSP wrote:
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Of course there is every chance for fraud this year. In California they sent unsolicited ballots to voters. Solicited/pre-verified or absentee ballots are okay.

Free circulating ballots for 30 days are all fraud prone. In election booth voter may get ballot for 10-15 mins and that too with all ID verification.

Ballot-harvest in large numbers and print signature from data file (name and signature are easy to procure) can be done.

Again, let me repeat. What you are calling sending 'unsolicited' ballots in CA was a state government decision to send ballots to all registered voters due to worries that voting participation will drop massively due to covid fears. IIRC, CA was not the only state that did this.

Whether they send mail ballots only to those that request them, or to all registered voters, the potential for fraud is the same. People can forge signatures, and vote harvesting can be a problem (Tulsi Gabbard introduced a bill in congress to prohibit it.) The idea that Republicans are morally pure, highly ethical, sweeties who will give biscuits and chocolates to Hindus, whereas Democrats are nothing but crooked woke urban naxal Hinduphobic rascals is not something I buy, because I think we are capable of more sophisticated reasoning. If there are systemic flaws in the process, anyone can exploit them. In CA, Republican party put ballot-collecting boxes on the streets (which was quite legal for them to do because there is no law against vote harvesting), I was not aware of Democratic party doing this, at least to the same extent.

ShyamSP wrote:

KLNMurthy wrote:[
CA decided to send mail-in ballots to every single registered voter, due to covid concerns. Unclear how this constitutes an offense or manipulation, unless you are implying that they only sent mail-in ballots to Democrats and not Republicans?

There were still glitches in the mailing in CA, as I am sure is the case in other states. I have anecdotal information about registered Democratic party voters not receiving their mail-in ballots and having to go and vote in person, despite valid concerns about covid vulnerability related to age etc. I didn't interpret this information to mean that CA was conspiring against Democratic Party. Should I have? Maybe there is Republican ecosystem in CA like the Congress ecosystem in India that secretly reduced the ballot mailings to Democratic voters by a certain percentage to reduce the popular vote, or to affect down-ballot contests? Anything is possible, right?

Free circulation of ballots in mail is problem. Mail theft is problem, if voters don't get ballot many don't care or may not be aware they got it.

If results are to tune of 1000s difference, you can do successful ballot harvesting operation to overcome difference. Some states don't have strict signature verification during counting it is easy-peasy there.

Don't tell me the Riot guy openly going to Walmart and looting TVs in front of cops, can be hired to do these jobs.

ShyamSP wrote:

KLNMurthy wrote: Again, let me repeat. What you are calling sending 'unsolicited' ballots in CA was a state government decision to send ballots to all registered voters due to worries that voting participation will drop massively due to covid fears. IIRC, CA was not the only state that did this.

Whether they send mail ballots only to those that request them, or to all registered voters, the potential for fraud is the same. People can forge signatures, and vote harvesting can be a problem (Tulsi Gabbard introduced a bill in congress to prohibit it.) The idea that Republicans are morally pure, highly ethical, sweeties who will give biscuits and chocolates to Hindus, whereas Democrats are nothing but crooked woke urban naxal Hinduphobic rascals is not something I buy, because I think we are capable of more sophisticated reasoning. If there are systemic flaws in the process, anyone can exploit them. In CA, Republican party put ballot-collecting boxes on the streets (which was quite legal for them to do because there is no law against vote harvesting), I was not aware of Democratic party doing this, at least to the same extent.

You're missing that fraud is fraud whoever does it.

Two facts:
-Freely circulating ballots are fraud prone
-Philedelphia (Detroit too) is capable of doing fraud.

Both can happen outside counting also. Some claims of fraud are counting related such as ignoring signature mismatches making invalid ballot as legal. Good audits can find invalid votes and can be excluded.

Mort Walker wrote:Faithless electors can be prosecuted by their state. Let’s see if any of these cases have legal merit. Some are saying there is an irregularity of 135,000 votes in Fulton county GA. Ballots of newly registered voters above age 90 are being examined again. There is the concern to look at voting irregularities in Phoenix, Milwaukee, Detroit, Philadelphia and Atlanta.

Raja wrote: No one is afraid. However, please do consider how easily your logic can be applied to the Trump campaign.

KLNMurthy wrote: This is called presumption of guilt and it’s not acceptable.

Groundwork done, Modi govt all set to deal with incoming Biden administration

| Analysis

As far as Prime Minister Narendra Modi is concerned, he runs foreign policy on a personal touch with Indian interests as a top priority. He only gives up on a country or an institution after the latter shows duplicity in bilateral relations.

Nov 08, 2020,
Shishir Gupta
Hindustan Times, New Delhi




Prime minister Narendra Modi greets the then US vice president Joe Biden in Washington DC. Joe Biden has been elected as the 46th President of the United States.

The White House will have a new occupant shortly. What does this mean for India? The Modi government’s connection with President elect Joe Biden goes back to the days when External Affairs S. Jaishankar was Indian Ambassador to US during the Obama administration and present Ambassador to US Taranjit Singh Sandhu was his deputy. The two have kept in touch with close advisors of President elect Biden ensuring that US maintains its bipartisan consensus towards India.

As far as Prime Minister Narendra Modi is concerned, he runs foreign policy on a personal touch with Indian interests as a top priority. He only gives up on a country or an institution after the latter shows duplicity in bilateral relations.

No marks for guessing the countries in that category.

While the Indian foreign policy will indeed have to recalibrate its approach towards the incoming Biden administration, New Delhi knows that president-elect is a collegial guy, who was more approachable to Republican adversaries as a vice president than the president during the Obama years. A quintessential politician who stayed more than half his life in Washington and knows the wrangling at Capitol Hill.

Unlike President Trump who hid his strategy behind a brash style, the incoming President will be more predictable in dealing with the world. He is expected to be tough yet not confrontational with China, will mend fences with Europe and be slightly rough with Russia.

Even though the Chinese experts are gloating over President Trump’s defeat, the US system now firmly believes that Beijing is not only an adversary but also a threat to future. So one should not expect bombastic statements against the Communist Party of China during Biden-era but US policy on China has turned full circle and there should be a build-up on the Asia pivot that was promised but not delivered in the Obama administration. Trump, on his part, may be down but not out and will campaign for the Senate run-offs in Georgia to remain politically relevant in Republican party.

China’s all weather ally Pakistan also heaving a sigh of relief at the exit of President Trump but New Delhi believes that incoming administration will be tough on terrorism, particularly after the recent Islamist attacks in Europe by migrants. The president-elect will continue with past policy of exiting from Afghanistan but that won’t be easy as the US intelligence agencies and Pentagon (Trump dismissed their advice) have been reporting the escalation of Taliban violence with the backing of Haqqani network and Quetta based Shura with direct involvement of Pakistan deep state.

As president-elect is expected to work with expert advice on Afghanistan, then the role of British, who are tied up with Pakistan, may diminish in the near future. Islamabad’s double play in Afghanistan is now known to its former friends like the United Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia with proof. Pakistan’s problem in fact may multiply with president-elect Biden having a very poor opinion about Islamabad’s newfound ally Turkey.

Iran’s belief that US sanctions may be lifted by incoming Biden administration’s hitching back with Europe on nuclear deal with Tehran may come true as the new administration will move towards multilateralism, which was scorned by the present Trump administration. With the US expected to seek accommodation with Europe on global issues like Climate Change and health due to on-going pandemic, frayed ties with Germany will be on the mend. The US ties with Russia are expected to decline further under the incoming administration.

While New Delhi will wait till January 2021 for formal engagement with the new administration, it appears most confident in dealing with the new occupant of the White House.

saip wrote:in AZ Biden's lead is evaporating. Do I hear Democrats screaming?
In GA finally Dems flipped ONE SINGLE SOLITARY Congress seat in the whole country.

nachiket wrote:

saip wrote:in AZ Biden's lead is evaporating. Do I hear Democrats screaming?
In GA finally Dems flipped ONE SINGLE SOLITARY Congress seat in the whole country.

Considering that the ballots are the same I am wondering how and why the Democrats would rig the presidential one and not the COngressional seat down the ballot.

Vayutuvan wrote:

nachiket wrote: Considering that the ballots are the same I am wondering how and why the Democrats would rig the presidential one and not the COngressional seat down the ballot.

That will be too obvious. moreover, Dems believe in concentrating power in the hands of the POTUS. In Telugu there is a saying. (I guess saip would be able to translate it for you)

Vayutuvan wrote:

KLNMurthy wrote: This is called presumption of guilt and it’s not acceptable.

Who is taking about warrant less searches? You are simplifying to the point of making it too simplistic. I am sure you enough to not advance starwman arguments.

Nobody should stand in the way of the legal process working its way through the courts. If not,
there will be a large number of Trump voters who will doubt the elctions. For the last four years, Dems were arguing that Putin gave the election to Trump. GOP will return the favor in spades. Positive news about Covid vaccines will push handling of the pandemic to the background.

Why is the Biden team in such a tearing hurry? We all know that MSM and professional pollsters failed yet again.

Ambar wrote:We live in a post Cambridge Analytica world, you don't need to care about the governor of the state or who holds the state senate or house, you just need control of certain cities and their councils. Remember from Dan Rostenkowski to Rod Blagojevich to Jesse Jackson Jr to Kwame Kilpatrick to Katherine Pugh - some cities have a lengthy history of corruption. Atlanta city council is under investigation by the feds for misconduct and bribery under Kasim Reed, its former mayor.

Vayutuvan wrote:

nachiket wrote: Considering that the ballots are the same I am wondering how and why the Democrats would rig the presidential one and not the COngressional seat down the ballot.

That will be too obvious. moreover, Dems believe in concentrating power in the hands of the POTUS. In Telugu there is a saying. (I guess saip would be able to translate it for you)

vaDDinchEvaaDu mana vaaDaitE laDDoolaku Em kodava?

Get Biden into WHOTUS first, redistribute wealth, tax (not so wealthy) to the hilt, and give away the goodies. 2022 us in the bag for Dems - majority in the house and the senate. ka ching for two more years.

nachiket wrote:

Ambar wrote:We live in a post Cambridge Analytica world, you don't need to care about the governor of the state or who holds the state senate or house, you just need control of certain cities and their councils. Remember from Dan Rostenkowski to Rod Blagojevich to Jesse Jackson Jr to Kwame Kilpatrick to Katherine Pugh - some cities have a lengthy history of corruption. Atlanta city council is under investigation by the feds for misconduct and bribery under Kasim Reed, its former mayor.

I don't think you understand how bad this election was for the Democrats. Their majority in the house is considerably reduced. They did not win most Senate seats they were hoping to flip. Biden's power to do anything significant beyond some executive orders is severely limited. Losing state legislatures means the redistricting that will happen now will be done by Republicans and gerrymandering will mean Dems are at a disadvantage for a whole decade.

Now tell me, if you are going to the trouble of creating fake ballots and rigging an election why would you hamstring your Presidential candidate and your party this way, when all you have to do is fill a few more boxes on the same piece of paper?

Vayutuvan wrote: Get Biden into WHOTUS first, redistribute wealth, tax (not so wealthy) to the hilt, and give away the goodies. 2022 us in the bag for Dems - majority in the house and the senate. ka ching for two more years.

KLNMurthy wrote:

ShyamSP wrote:
Free circulation of ballots in mail is problem. Mail theft is problem, if voters don't get ballot many don't care or may not be aware they got it.

If results are to tune of 1000s difference, you can do successful ballot harvesting operation to overcome difference. Some states don't have strict signature verification during counting it is easy-peasy there.

Don't tell me the Riot guy openly going to Walmart and looting TVs in front of cops, can be hired to do these jobs.

there is a voter support system called ballotrax that provides SMSes from the point of ballot being mailed to ballot being received at the counting station and being accepted.

Not sure what this riot guy is you are talking about. Are you saying rioters are being hired to do election work? Or maybe you see some black people rioting on TV and see some black election workers and so deciding that rioters are doing vote counting? Please do explain.

Vayutuvan wrote:

Raja wrote: No one is afraid. However, please do consider how easily your logic can be applied to the Trump campaign.

You made my point for me. what is sauce for the goose and all that. my logic applies to both parties. had HRC campaign found voter fraud and challenged in 2016, I would have been all for that as well. then we wouldn't have had 3 years of impeachment tamasha. In fact, while nCV is spreading through US communities, Dems were playing impeachment drama on the hill. how so. people forget that Biden called Trump a xenophobe when Trump admin instituted a travel ban on China.

Since Dems weaponizated FISA, there is God possibility that DOj will apply a special counsel to look into Hunter Biden. If the GOP gets control of the senate, which seems very likely, be ready for senate hearings.

ShyamSP wrote:

KLNMurthy wrote:
there is a voter support system called ballotrax that provides SMSes from the point of ballot being mailed to ballot being received at the counting station and being accepted.

Not sure what this riot guy is you are talking about. Are you saying rioters are being hired to do election work? Or maybe you see some black people rioting on TV and see some black election workers and so deciding that rioters are doing vote counting? Please do explain.

Ballot harvesting is I think illegal in Pennsylvania. But as an example a person who loots in front of officer gives to two hoots for consequences of illegal activity, and so can be hired to do whatever is needed for voter fraud. Hope that clears.

KLNMurthy wrote:Lot of people just don't like Trump. He is a repulsive guy. They are not going to be fair to him. Are Trump fans scrupulously fair to Biden or Hillary? Sure anyone can complain, but maybe also look at reality from time to time?
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Yes, I fully expect Hunter Biden hearings taking up most of Senate time under "china jaamaata" (china son-in-law) Mitch McConnell.

Vayutuvan wrote:

KLNMurthy wrote:Lot of people just don't like Trump. He is a repulsive guy. They are not going to be fair to him. Are Trump fans scrupulously fair to Biden or Hillary? Sure anyone can complain, but maybe also look at reality from time to time?
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Yes, I fully expect Hunter Biden hearings taking up most of Senate time under "china jaamaata" (china son-in-law) Mitch McConnell.

"Sure anyone can complain, but maybe also look at reality from time to time?"

People complaining are not anyone. They are either duly elected representatives and lawyers in their employ.

Is it your case that only Coastal Dem lawyers can complain?!!!

What "reality" we have to look at? The "reality" as presented by MSNBC/Twitter/Facebook? That reality didn't pan out, did it?!

"Yes, I fully expect Hunter Biden hearings taking up most of Senate time under "china jaamaata" (china son-in-law) Mitch McConnell"

You are forgetting Beijing Agent who would ascend the throne on Jan 20, 2021.

Why are some people trying to shut down discussion on election fraud? There were some cases and we need to get to the bottom of it. It is not dependent on who supports who.

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks" -- Hamlet, Act. III, Scene II.

KLNMurthy wrote:
IIUC even Fox went along with the projections, so it is not just “leftist” media (actually they are corporate media, far from leftist).

In any US election, official results are declared several days or weeks after election date. And media “declaring” (correct term is “projecting”, only county registrars can declare) the winner using standard statistical techniques on Election Day itself or at most a few days afterwards is very normal, it has been going on for several decades, ever since live counting data has become available.

There is nothing crazy or conspiratorial about this. These projections are wrong extremely rarely. It is basic applied statistics. Almost the only case that even comes close is the 2000 Florida case, in which media mostly waited for the recount process to play out.

In this election, votes in many states were so close that the media statisticians had to wait longer, to get a higher counting percentage before they made their projections. The result was actually clear (though not the exact electoral vote margin) to the statisticians by Wednesday itself, but the media outlets waited till Saturday (when counting was nearly 100% in most contested places) because they didn’t want to look like they were jumping the gun.

You can’t just arbitrarily go around banning this and that in USA—first amendment that guarantees against such a ban is very strictly applied. The constitution doesn’t allow “prior restraint” of what media can say. So there is no way to ban projections.

It is illegal to interfere with voting. Saying something after all voting is over is not an interference in the electoral process. Many election cycles back, they used to start doing projections when voting was over on East coast. Then there were objections that it discouraged west coast people from voting because they may think their votes don’t matter. So they stopped doing that, by mutual consent. Same with exit polls. They don’t use them any more for doing projections any more.

This election breaks new ground due to high turnout and widespread use of mail-in ballots (the option was always there, the volume is new). So there may be some lessons to be learned in this projection process.

Are you claiming that Pfizer did a conspiracy and withheld the vaccine announcement? I wonder, if every corporation and industry and business is busy running a highly-coordinated complex conspiracy, how much time they will have left for actually doing research etc.

KJo wrote: ...

You are right about Fox News, but the Fox News is not the Fox News that we know of. Something has changed there. In fact their count for Biden was the highest among all media companies. Except for a couple of show hosts who still are conservative, FN has taken a turn to the Left. I think in a few years it will become CNN.

nachiket wrote:And there are plenty of Democrats in the house itself who won't like going full Socialist because they will be promptly kicked out of their own seats in the next elections. Senate situation is even worse for him.

Firstly, your assumption that they will go "full socialist" - whatever that means - is not correct. There are shades of "socialism" from full capitalism to full socialism.

Secondly, it is not guaranteed that GOP will get both the GA senate seats. Dollars to donuts, KD Harris's replacement would be a Democrat. Newsome is going to pick the replacement

What worked during Presidential elections might work for Dems. It is plain hard grassroots campaigning coupled with a little bit of ballot harvesting here and a few votes from dead people, with large scale mail-in ballots.

We are not out of the woods yet re. COVID, are we?!!!

Biden/Harris already caste aspersions on Trump admin short-circuiting vaccine trials. How many of the 79 million who voted for Biden/Harris have confidence in the efficacy and safety of the vaccine now?

Lockdowns, here I come. That said, they are not being proven effective in Europe. Biden will pack CDC first with his own people first, restart funding to WHO, who would do the bidding of Xi.

KLNMurthy wrote: Whether Biden is a Beijing agent is, at best, conjecture or speculation, at worst, just a random statement made out of nothing but spite and malice.

KLNMurthy wrote: So... what? I should fall down on my knees and worship every word they say? We are now doing "Do you know who I am?" on BRF?

KLNMurthy wrote: Discuss away, Vayutuvan garu. I am putting forth my own views. Should I shut up and leave the floor to you so that you will feel that your "discussion" is not being shut down? Please clarify.

By the way, what's with the random Shakespeare quote, man? More "Do you know who I am?" posturing?

Vayutuvan wrote:

KLNMurthy wrote: Whether Biden is a Beijing agent is, at best, conjecture or speculation, at worst, just a random statement made out of nothing but spite and malice.

We would not know unless there is a special counsel. McConnel is not the POTUS (elect!). Mark my words, Biden and co. will shut down whatever investigations that are going on.

How soon we forget that Trump was called a Russian agent in the WHOTUS by the same networks who are "call"ing the election for Biden now.

KLNMurthy wrote:So... what? I should fall down on my knees and worship every word they say? We are now doing "Do you know who I am?" on BRF?

KLNMurthy wrote:Your comparison of the networks' bias in 2016 vs 2020 is faulty. No one in the media questioned the vote count in 2016, all the media called it for Trump, without challenging, on the day of the vote itself.

Vayutuvan wrote: ...
1. If the margin of winning is <= 0.5%, it will automatically trigger recounting. They are asking for that where feasible. In GA, it is 0.7%. There the state officials, GOP, might allow a recount.

2. Mail-in ballots are double the number that was received in 2016. There was (and still is) widespread belief that mail-in ballots are rife for election fraud and ballot harvesting. That needs to be looked into, for the sake of protecting future elections. Two important senate run-offs are going to be held in just two months.

3. Legality of PA SC extending the deadline. There is some question as to whether that is constitutional. State legislature is the final adjudicator to change any of these laws. Did PA SC overstep their authority?
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An autopsy needs to be done as per the law and any mistakes corrected even if it doesn't happen by Jan 20, 2021.

That is the point.

Just because somebody is asking to let the cases work through the legal system doesn't mean that they are for Trump or Blind Biden bhakt - BBB

Ambar wrote:Other than Tucker Carlson, Ingram and Hannity ...

Vayutuvan wrote:

KLNMurthy wrote:So... what? I should fall down on my knees and worship every word they say? We are now doing "Do you know who I am?" on BRF?

If you know who I am, then you will do

KLNMurthy wrote:
Is that exactly correct? I thought the rule was that one can ask for a recount & pay the fees, but the margin has to be < 1% for the request to be accepted. Maybe it varies from state to state as do most things. (1)

There is no question that the volume of mail-in ballots is unprecedented, and there will probably be many problems with it (2). Future elections will no doubt see some adjustments or even major changes.

nachiket wrote:

saip wrote:in AZ Biden's lead is evaporating. Do I hear Democrats screaming?
In GA finally Dems flipped ONE SINGLE SOLITARY Congress seat in the whole country.

Considering that the ballots are the same I am wondering how and why the Democrats would rig the presidential one and not the COngressional seat down the ballot.