Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 15 Apr 2013 22:49

These tapes come from the SIT report itself..

But yes, the establishment is fighting back hard

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 15 Apr 2013 22:52

Arjun wrote: This doesn't account for the expected Modi wave...but I do broadly agree with the reasoning. Only issue being, the same reasoning should apply to JDU as well. Both parties should be impacted negatively.

Which is why I am convinced Nitish is playing a game of chicken - he cannot afford to terminate the alliance yet wants to play hardball. I would recommend the BJP respond with the same hardball tactics - announce Modi as PM. And lets see if Nitish actually does walk out...

If Nitish quits (or is kicked out of) the NDA for opposing Modi, he might garner a lot more Muslim votes than last time (the bulk were still with Lalu and Paswan I believe). Maybe that's what he's banking on. This is not a game of chicken. He has gone too far out to turn back now. He'll destroy his personal credibility if he does an about face and supports Modi after this point.

And we should not overestimate the power of the Modi wave. He's is still an outsider to most Biharis and NK's reputation must have gone up after the last few years due to his track record of good governance etc. Granted, he only had to compete with Lalu, but still he made a lot of noise by demanding special treatment for Bihar from the center etc. In a country where everyone thinks they deserve special treatment, such things matter a lot.

We have to consider Bihar as lost. The sooner the BJP finds out if it is going it alone in Bihar or not, the better. The problem is they can't do that without explicitly declaring Modi's candidature for PM, since NK will not commit himself till the BJP is clear on that.

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 15 Apr 2013 22:58

VikramS wrote:These tapes come from the SIT report itself..

But yes, the establishment is fighting back hard

HT people are saying that SIT report makes no mention of these reports.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 15 Apr 2013 22:59

RajeshA wrote:I personally am in favor of Modi breaking away from JD(U). I can't say how prudent that would be. But if BJP goes full out to grab JD(U) caste-based vote-banks of EBC by projecting Modi loudly as being one of them, plus try to nurture local leaders from the community, then the EBCs can come into play for BJP. Also the Hindu-Muslim polarization would keep other Hindu castes part of the BJP mix. One can also splinter JD(U). Also BJP should start taking some of the credit for Bihar's development.

BJP should try to take out JD(U) completely out of the Bihar picture and take its position.

Now should be the time to go after the EBCs and by activating BJP's local leaders from these caste groups. BJP needs to go into election drive now. Go for JD(U)'s jugular.

After Lok Sabha elections, splinter JD(U) in the Assembly and make a BJP government there. Nitish should be forced into sanyaas.

I agree 400%.

ranjbe · Post by **ranjbe** » 15 Apr 2013 23:02

Arjun wrote: Having 3 - 4 odd father-son pairs in 200+ years (as in the US) is not a big deal at all - lets remember that in India you've had one Dynasty ruling across 4 different family members (with media talking of the 5th) for well over 70% of its Independent life.

It is actually 5 generations, if you look at Congress party presidents. If Motilal Nehru had not been Congress President, perhaps Jawaharlal would not have been Congress president for the first time.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 15 Apr 2013 23:03

What is Nitish now, Ambi or Suraj Mal , Sindhi Buddhist or want to be Mughlai Rajput ? At best,He can only delay the inevitable but will go down in history as one who betrayed the Bharti Cause by switching to the enemy side known for raping the motherland.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 15 Apr 2013 23:08

http://www.firstpost.com/politics/bjp-j ... 01014.html
BJP-JD(U) face-off: Nitish falls back on Lalu’s social formula

(What it means is playing communal politics as if Laloo, CON MAFIA is not enough, another scoundrels wants to create another communal formula because he is a miserable failure)

But in this case, as many believe in Nitish’s own party and outside, he is playing a calculated gamble. A section in the JD(U) is convinced that the upper caste disenchantment with Nitish Kumar is complete and even if the JD(U) and the BJP were to go together to the polls, the Rajputs, Bhumihar, Bhamins and Kayasthas were unlikely to vote for the JD(U). These upper castes form a solid social support base for the BJP. So if he were to loose support of these castes, he should compensate or actually gain with an aggressive hostile voting against the BJP by the Muslim community if JD(U) splits with the BJP while trying to stop the national march of Narendra Modi. As against 12-13 percent of upper castes, Muslims constitute of 14-16 percent of total electorate in the state.

That was once RJD chief Lalu Prasad Yadav’s core constituency. His act of stopping Advani’s Ram Rath Yatra had made him a messiah of Muslims overnight. It’s a different matter though that the incident precipitated the fall of VP Singh’s regime in Delhi. By putting roadblocks in fulfillment of Modi’s prime ministerial ambition, Nitish would be angling to achieve what his state rival Lalu Yadav did over two decades ago.

Ironically, after a decade of standing against everything that Lalu stood for and fighting him out, Nitish is now trying to emulate the social engineering formula that made Lalu rule the state for close to 15 years and be a minister for five years at the centre.

It is against this backdrop that the wily politician in Nitish chose to completely omit any reference against the Congress. If his speech caused deep anguish and sense of hurt in the BJP, it was music to the ears for the Congress strategists. The Congress has for long making obvious overtures towards Nitish.

The other argument why Nitish is making such an aggressive pitch against Modi is that there is a definite downslide in his popularity chart in the state and as compared to his first term the gap between popular expectations and delivery on the ground has been widening in his second term. He is steering the pre-poll talk to an emotional pitch. The electricity generation and supply position that he spoke of yesterday was still poor. Despite improvement of law and order situation and industries coming to Bihar, jobs are not being created either in private sector or in the government sector.

The 2.32 lakh contract teachers appointed in his first term are up in arms against him and are today the biggest organized vocal critics of the chief minister. Some highways in the first term were fine but people now want their expansion. There’s similar disappointment in hospitals and education sectors too.

The second term for Nitish was a historic positive mandate – he came back to power with a stunning three-fourth majority. Given the backwardness of the state, a mismatch of expectation and reality was in-built in that system. So whether it was campaign for special status for Bihar, a difficult thing to achieve since the NDC (National Development Council) has to have a consensus on the subject, and then the anti-Modi positioning, Nitish is tying to fight it out against a real or perceived villain, taking the popular attention off from the issues that a voter could have asked answers from.

The BJP is not taking his posturing lying down. Yesterday BJP spokesperson Nirmala Sitharaman came out to caution Nitish that “the need of the hour is to defeat the non-performing and corrupt UPA. The Congress-led UPA government is leading this country to a downslide in every field. The BJP expects opposition parties and allies to keep their main focus on that. However, it is unfortunate, if they concentrate their energies on our chief ministers and dilute the focus of removing the UPA. The BJP will continue its determined efforts in this direction. We reject all unfounded inferences against Shri Narendra Modi.”

Today some Bihar BJP leaders, including Giriraj Singh, Ashwini Chaubey (both ministers in Nitish Government) and former state BJP chief CP Thakur met party president Rajnath Singh to convey their sense of anger against Nitish. They termed Nitish’s speech humiliating to the BJP.

http://www.firstpost.com/politics/who-i ... 00632.html
Who is Nitish to give a certificate on secularism to Modi: BJP

Reflecting widening rift with JD-U, BJP today said Bihar Chief Minister Nitish Kumar was “nobody” to give a certificate on secularism to his Gujarat counterpart Narendra Modi and pointed out that he has remained a part of NDA even after the 2002 Godhra incident.

The resentment in BJP over Kumar’s scathing attack on Modi yesterday was visible with several leaders feeling the Bihar CM had “almost gone to a point of no return”.

BJP leaders strongly defended Modi, but observers said it was too early to say whether the two parties would part ways on the issue of making the Gujarat Chief Minister NDA’s Prime Ministerial candidate.

“So far as any allegation, accusation against our CM is concerned, we completely abhor that and Kumar is nobody whose certificate is required so far as that particular aspect is concerned,” BJP spokesperson Meenakshi Lekhi told reporters.

She rubbed in the point that Kumar was part of the Atal Bihari Vajpayee government when the Godhra incident took place and still continued to be a part of the NDA. “In 2002 also, Nitish Kumar was a part of our (NDA) government. During the Sabarmati Express incident (Godhra, 2002), he was the Rail minister,” Lekhi said.

Though BJP referred to JD-U as an “old ally”, it said Kumar “does not have to speak” on Modi’s credentials. “We have specified that there is nobody in the BJP who is not secular,” Lekhi said. BJP also maintained that it will consult its allies before deciding on who will be its PM candidate. But in the same breath the party insisted that it was in no mood for a compromise.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 15 Apr 2013 23:10

There isn't much the establishment can do at this point. If they try to lock up Modi or bring him to trial on false charges his support base will double and people will take to the streets. IMO, this Nitish Kumar issue is a sideshow meant to distract everyone. BJP knew this could happen and I'm sure Modi and his allies within BJP leadership council have an insurance policy of some sort. This is the same guy who along with Amit Shah and others got through all the BS of 2002, kicked Congress in the teeth in 3 elections, put a bullet in that LeT b*tch Ishrat Jahan, managed to rise within the BJP as the most popular leader, and is now the star campaigner. If he really thought NDA couldn't get the numbers because of Nitish he would've dropped out a long time ago. Modi knows what he is doing. He's gliding through India because he's learned a lot from all the dirty tricks that Congress employed to keep him down. Now they've just about exhausted everything and are resorting to Gir lions being shifted out of Gujarat as a win for India. We should be partying it up. The numbers will come. Whether he becomes PM or not, Congress is on it's last leg and cannot go much further.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 15 Apr 2013 23:13

Sanku wrote:
Supratik wrote:I don't see NDA winning without someone leading. Advani failed in 2009. The Dilli gang cannot even win Delhi. They are plainly trying to sabotage through NK.
And they would do so because? They prefer being non entities rather than Cabinet ministers with power and pelf? Even if "Advani is frustrated" dictum is to be believed, what basis do others have for staying with Advani and becoming slowly even more irrelevant?

The problem is that with Modi in charge, the BJP tall leaders will not get power and pelf. Because Modi keeps his ministers on a tight leash and does not tolerate any nonsense.

JohnTitor · Post by **JohnTitor** » 15 Apr 2013 23:15

Dont want to take the discussion on a tangent, but has something happened suddenly? twitter is abuzz with anti-modi gang.. cant find any news relating to him (other than transfer of lions) on media.. any ideas?

this one seems to be one that i cant find an answer to:

Faieza Khan ‏@faiezakhan 11m
So we were not wrong when we said Narendra Modi administered the Murders #Modiexposed

Also this

SwRS ‏@iswets 7m
So Modi was the author and architect of the Gujarat 2002 riots
Retweeted by Syed Sami

wtf?? where is all this coming from sudenly?>

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 15 Apr 2013 23:22

Sanku wrote:Advani+NaMo can successfully replicate the ABV+Advani model.

It would be win-win, and the next elections for NaMo's to lose.

What did Advani do in his years as HM, other than letting Quattrochi get away, and bringing in more illegal Bangladeshis?

JohnTitor · Post by **JohnTitor** » 15 Apr 2013 23:43

FOUND IT

looks like "new evidence" - modi's popularity has dipped drastically on twitter.. overnight.. wow.. gotta hand it to congis perseverance. question is, why is it not in other papers?

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 15 Apr 2013 23:48

IHs have beaten rahulkanval black &blue for his latest hit job. This whole program and accusations were based on interim SIT report 2010

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 15 Apr 2013 23:49

ramana wrote:Winning is more important now than who becomes PM.

LKA can sabotage the outcome very badly. A misplaced word here and there he can sink/torpedo the chances.
So let him think he is tallest leader etc and pull his weight.

I really find it fantastic how Maya affects even the elders.. This is IF, LKA is really up to what ppl here claim about D4 (which is apparent from signs, although it may or may not be real).. .

is this what Joker calls "misplaced sense of self-righteousness".. The impression that I have of LKA from the elders in my family is totally different and fascinating. Most of the elders in my clan have praised LKA much more than ABV about his commitment and political acumen when it comes to rallying people. It is truly amazing to see sky changing colors so drastically.. Which really makes me wonder is this really dusk OR one of those "Jayadratha Moments" when Krishna makes sun comes out surprising everyone and Jayadratha and his father end up leaving this planet...

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 15 Apr 2013 23:52

Shonu wrote:FOUND IT

looks like "new evidence" - modi's popularity has dipped drastically on twitter.. overnight.. wow.. gotta hand it to congis perseverance. question is, why is it not in other papers?

Its called "Hind Sight" bias. Things look crystal clear after the incident yet are very confusing before and while the event is occuring.
The SIT had looked at the reports and appended them to their report.
They are reading from that and not any new stuff.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 15 Apr 2013 23:55

Atriji, I have no insights expect what is published. His actions and constant wavering speeches show he has his own agenda and not the overthrow of the UPA system.

Anyway 2014 is not too far and we all shall see and post morterm then.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 16 Apr 2013 00:00

http://www.rediff.com/news/report/why-b ... 130415.htm
Why BJP and JD-U will find it difficult to break ties

While both parties have their compulsions in adopting strident positions vis-a-vis each other, they also have equally compelling reasons to stick together.

Nitish Kumar needs the BJP’s upper caste support base in Bihar to supplement his vote bank comprising the Extremely Backward Classes, while the BJP cannot afford to lose any allies as it makes a strong pitch for power in the 2014 general election.

Even as the two NDA partners take potshots at each other, there is also a touch of bravado to this ongoing exchange of fire. There is undoubtedly a strong view in the saffron party that it should not allow the JD-U to dictate terms to it and that it should certainly not be pressured by its ally to compromise on Modi’s candidature for the top post. In fact, the party’s Bihar unit is learnt to have told its leadership that Nitish Kumar is not as invincible as he was during his first term and that the BJP can now afford to walk out of its alliance with the JD-U.

According to BJP’s Bihar leaders, Modi’s projection for the PM’s post would actually help erode Nitish Kumar’s EBC vote bank as Gujarat chief minister also comes from a backward class. “You will be surprised how the backwards classes are identifying with Modi,” remarked a senior BJP leader from Bihar.

In addition, Nitish Kumar’s opposition to the Gujarat chief minister is also coming in handy for the anti-Modi faction within the BJP.

There is a widespread perception that L K Advani, Sushma Swaraj [ Images ] and, to some extent, Arun Jaitley [ Images ] are not really complaining about the stand taken by the JD-U as they are all contenders for the PM’s post. In fact, Nitish Kumar actually rooted for Advani for the PM’s post, a line which has since been promptly endorsed by BJP leader Yashwant Sinha [ Images ] and Madhya Pradesh [ Images ] Chief Minister Shivraj Singh Chouhan.

While the BJP will find it difficult to break ties with Nitish Kumar, it will be equally difficult for the JD-U leader to do the same.

His workers are not happy with the current turn of events and would prefer the two parties to stick together as both would prove to be losers in case of a split. The JD-U’s biggest fear is that its break with the BJP will provide an opportunity to RJD chief Lalu
Prasad Yadav to stage a comeback. At the same time, it could end up loosing the support of upper castes which have shown a marked preference for the BJP and Modi. Nitish Kumar is painfully aware that it was the social coalition of upper castes, EBCs and a section of the minorities which had helped him come to power for a second term.

In fact, Nitish Kumar’s strident anti-Modi stand is essentially aimed at consolidating the support of the minorities who would drift towards Lalu Prasad Yadav [ Images ] if the JD-U is seen to back the Gujarat CM. The RJD chief, who has a far higher comfort level with the minorities, has been attracting substantial crowds at his rallies. If the RJD, Ram
Vilas Paswan’s LJP and the Congress are able seal an electoral pact, Nitish could find himself on shaky ground without BJP support in the triangle contest.

Alternatively, Nitish Kumar could sew up an alliance with the Congress which is ever eager to do so. Although the JD-U has denied having a truck with the Congress, it is also a fact that Nitish Kumar and Congress ministers, including Finance Minister P Chidambaram [ Images ], have publicly praised each other in the recent past while the Centre has
not been averse to the chief minister’s demands for special funds for his state.

In case it does join hands with the Congress, the JD-U could get the benefit of the support of the upper castes and the minorities. But this possibility appears to be a remote one at present as it could lead to dissensions within the JD-U since a section in the party, led by Sharad Yadav, has a marked preference for the BJP-led NDA.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 16 Apr 2013 00:01

Now, ‘Advani for prime minister’ chorus in BJP

New Delhi: A fresh chorus of “LK Advani for Prime Minister” has begun in BJP even as a tussle is on between the party and JD(U) over Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi being declared the NDA candidate for the top post.

While a section of BJP leadership is clamouring for Modi as the party’s PM candidate for the next Lok Sabha elections, prominent leaders like Madhya Pradesh Chief Minister Shivraj Singh Chouhan, Yashwant Sinha and Jaswant Singh have said Advani is more suited for the post.

Shivraj Singh Chouhan, who is being pitted against Modi as a challenge as he is likely to equal the Gujarat CM‘s record of three consecutive assembly polls, today said Advani is the “tallest” leader in BJP.

http://www.firstpost.com/politics/now-a ... 01120.html

Atri · Post by **Atri** » 16 Apr 2013 00:06

ramana wrote:Atriji, I have no insights expect what is published. His actions and constant wavering speeches show he has his own agenda and not the overthrow of the UPA system.

Anyway 2014 is not too far and we all shall see and post morterm then.

I too have no insights on matter, only some distant memories. I have been suspicious ever since blackwell met LKA prior to 2009 elections and suddenly NDA dropped 26/11 issue.

member_22539 · Post by **member_22539** » 16 Apr 2013 00:09

RoyG wrote:There isn't much the establishment can do at this point. If they try to lock up Modi or bring him to trial on false charges his support base will double and people will take to the streets. IMO, this Nitish Kumar issue is a sideshow meant to distract everyone. BJP knew this could happen and I'm sure Modi and his allies within BJP leadership council have an insurance policy of some sort. This is the same guy who along with Amit Shah and others got through all the BS of 2002, kicked Congress in the teeth in 3 elections, put a bullet in that LeT b*tch Ishrat Jahan, managed to rise within the BJP as the most popular leader, and is now the star campaigner. If he really thought NDA couldn't get the numbers because of Nitish he would've dropped out a long time ago. Modi knows what he is doing. He's gliding through India because he's learned a lot from all the dirty tricks that Congress employed to keep him down. Now they've just about exhausted everything and are resorting to Gir lions being shifted out of Gujarat as a win for India. We should be partying it up. The numbers will come. Whether he becomes PM or not, Congress is on it's last leg and cannot go much further.

+1

Abhijit · Post by **Abhijit** » 16 Apr 2013 00:15

Everything I have read about LKA makes me think that all this confusion (NaMo Vs LKA) is a 'Jayadrath moment' as alluded to by Atri ji. LKA's ego has never been seen to override his deshprem. And I may be completely wrong, but I feel that this year's MB war will be fought without a declared future 'samrat'.

Supratik · Post by **Supratik** » 16 Apr 2013 00:51

Advani is no mahapurush. Everyone has maya for the chair. Every politician would like to be PM. That is like the Nobel prize of politics. The only pressure point the anti-Modi camp could employ was the alliance with JD(U). But we should look at the bigger picture. Right now it is to get rid of the UPA. "Samrat" should be declared post-polls. The aim of all NM backers should be at least the deputy-PM position. Modi looks like someone who doesn't take it lying down. Mischievous opposition makes him even more determined. Otherwise a tea-stall owners son wouldn't make it here. I am sure he will find a way eventually. Right now he needs to consolidate at the center. Deputy-PM hi sahi.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 16 Apr 2013 00:56

http://video.in.msn.com/watch/video/tru ... =Relevancy

Here is just the misra part

http://youtu.be/BBvp358BDlA

Amresh Mishra guy justifying his abusive tweets on a NDTV program

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 16 Apr 2013 01:01

Too much pessimism on this thread. We shouldn't hyperventilate when conflict arises within NDA. This is bound to happen when a prospective PM candidate rises fast within the BJP. We have to look at the overall architecture which is being setup. These are growing pains. There is no alternative to Modi and everyone knows it. You cannot turn someone like Modi into anything else but PM at this point. He will be projected when the time is right and he will win. He wouldn't be working towards it if he wasn't confident. Who the hell is LKA? Nobody cares about him. Damnit, he's 86 years old and is uninspiring. Unnecessary confusion is being created.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 16 Apr 2013 02:07

What difference, lets bring the real tallest leader ABV and declare him as PM candidate. He only has dementia and that is not unusual for some at that age. LKA as HM, MMJ as Defense will be good to see. It will be like Brezenev, Kruschev's combo. Lethal combo for the nation.

muraliravi · Post by **muraliravi** » 16 Apr 2013 02:34

Barking dogs dont bite. Let the noise go on. Namo will hit it when it is right. He is not a fool. We guys expect too much. We cant expect entire bjp to bow down to bjp. After all someone like advani will have the desire and has the levers. But dont worry he wont succeed. In the end it will be namo or no candidate

harbans · Post by **harbans** » 16 Apr 2013 02:44

A person who wanted to be a monk with RM, would have personally evolved much beyond ordinary people and certainly more than most politicians today. One thing with NM, he does not play victim. Even his examples to the Industry on his reforms were not some gloating boasts but more of sharing a genuine enthusiasm at the end result of honest hard work and a concerted vision. That glow was visible when he recalled these examples. He will blow apart Nitish and his Topi/Tilak statement in a single off the cuff line somewhere in the week ahead itself..and the people will just love him even more for doing that..

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 16 Apr 2013 03:16

harbans wrote:A person who wanted to be a monk with RM, would have personally evolved much beyond ordinary people and certainly more than most politicians today. One thing with NM, he does not play victim. Even his examples to the Industry on his reforms were not some gloating boasts but more of sharing a genuine enthusiasm at the end result of honest hard work and a concerted vision. That glow was visible when he recalled these examples. He will blow apart Nitish and his Topi/Tilak statement in a single off the cuff line somewhere in the week ahead itself..and the people will just love him even more for doing that..

One thing for sure that this Nitprick guy cannot go beyond Topi/Tilak and move up a notch to think at national level.These small time players will remain two bit nuisance as they cannot evolve and discuss issues instead of personality. If Modi can lay down the foundation of issue based politics and election then he have won half the battle for India and Her soul.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 16 Apr 2013 04:17

Muppalla wrote:
Singha wrote:a week of posturing and half the people have thrown their rifles down, abandoned the fwd line of trenches and are already coming up with installing a 86 year old bahadur shah zafar MKI as a interim raja in the hope of tiding over the war without a shot!

let there be churning and war...war is the beginning of all creation and great leaders have always been forged in war.
+1000. There is no one outside Delhi/UP belt who salivates for this 86 year old. There were times when everyone wholeheartedly supported. He is right now at his lowest best and seems that he does not want to die honorably.

Projecting Advani == Paving the way for Pappu

One of my ex-manager and a close friend of mine was a special invitee to BJP's national executive meeting held in Delhi where Modi ripped through UPA while Advani was talking about Sushma. He told me in one sentence, however someone may try Advani or his appointees, the ideas are all DOA as far as BJP is concerned. The mood of about 90% of cadre (BJP or RSS) is all set on Modi and no one in any wing of the parivaar has any type of guts to even talk differently. Currently all they were spinning to ward of knives is that we all accept Modi but let us make him candidate in December. Before that he will be made as Election committee chairman.

Now connect the dots to Nitish's December deadline. He will leave NDA as no one can stop Modi. It is now just a formality. He is only trying to give a reason for all those 85+ year olds and their useless pillion riders a chance to stop Modi.

The grapevine talk is that UPA is frantically trying to put Modi into some kind of corruption case so that those fighting against him with zero success gets some fodder to fight.

After I got that info and wrote that, the SIT tweets started.

VikramS wrote:These tapes come from the SIT report itself..

But yes, the establishment is fighting back hard

That means everything is orchestrated and things are going per plan.

. These are all desperate stuff.

anmol · Post by **anmol** » 16 Apr 2013 04:26

Muppalla wrote:That means everything is orchestrated and things are going per plan. . These are all desperate stuff.

Our plan or their plan ?

disha · Post by **disha** » 16 Apr 2013 04:29

ramana wrote:
Shonu wrote:FOUND IT

looks like "new evidence" - modi's popularity has dipped drastically on twitter.. overnight.. wow.. gotta hand it to congis perseverance. question is, why is it not in other papers?

Its called "Hind Sight" bias. Things look crystal clear after the incident yet are very confusing before and while the event is occuring.
The SIT had looked at the reports and appended them to their report.
They are reading from that and not any new stuff.

+1. And HT is doing a hit job.

Regarding twitteratti, do not worry. The truth will take care of itself as long as the truth is highlighted. Here are some tidbits (my observations) :

1. Firstpost instead of discussing the SIT, talks about a book written by a leftist baiter on Modi. (my point, they do not have talking points)

2. Then they talk about "Child labour" in India and how some town of Kadi north of A'dbad is "importing child labour from Raj" for horrendous working conditions. Damn, does this not point to a problem in Rajasthan's economy? But no, the author raves on and on about how Modi is not this-or-that. Little realising that a journo with all information and witnesses and notations has a basis to file an FIR! Cannot he do that instead of raving and ranting as a lunatic from his high chair?

3. But this is buried deep down by firstpost itself http://www.firstpost.com/politics/the-m ... 07207.html

And the biggest news is, how Modi got snub'ed by SC because Lions are communal and Tigers are secular.

The reason media is ranting and raving is to debase the discussion, that is all they have - a debased discussion. Get down to their level of debased discussion and only you will loose.

So ignore them and stop providing oxygen to such debased media.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 16 Apr 2013 06:08

^^ I thionk ahole Rahul Kanwal and Headless Today wasted their conspiracy sh1t on Modi today. Now that Boston news is hitting no one will talk about it.

May be our PAID MEDIA and losers like Rahul Kanwal will blame Modi for Boston blasts to escape from their new findings.

The crooks again started Feb 28-Mar 1 is 3 days of inaction. The garbage PAID MEDIA has no shame and brains.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 16 Apr 2013 06:15

Dal (U) dissent hint
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1130416/j ... WyjkBKYNok

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 16 Apr 2013 06:41

http://www.firstpost.com/india/the-shal ... 99007.html
The shallow secularism of Nitish Kumar is a farce
by R Jagannathan Apr 15, 2013

It is perfectly all right for Nitish Kumar to nurse his own ambitions for Prime Ministership. He is equally within his rights to demand that Narendra Modi should not be the BJP’s PM candidate. The BJP may or may not oblige (for that is its right), but then Kumar is free to look at his options, including a pullout. What is completely out of place is making this hypocritical demand in the name of secularism.

Yesterday, Nitish Kumar made his famous “topi aur tilak” reference – one representing Muslims and the other Hindus. The Indian Express quotes him as saying: “Sometimes you will have to wear a cap, sometimes you will have to sport a tilak.” The obvious innuendo is to Modi’s reported unwillingness to wear the Muslim skull cap offered to him by a minority delegation to his 2011 “Sadhbhavna” fasts.

The “topi-tilak” reference is a pathetic one. That in the 66th year of independence we cannot think of secularism as anything above “symbolism” is ominous. It implies that Muslims are more concerned about someone pretending to wear a “topi” than more substantive issues. In our entire existence as an independent nation, our “secular” leaders have been doing nothing but this: pretend to help the minorities while actually doing nothing on the ground for them. They have been running a protection racket for the minorities, and Kumar now joins the crowd.

The joke, in fact, is on Kumar. The Hindi expression “kisiko topi pehnana” means making a fool of somebody. This is exactly what our secularists have been doing – fooling the Muslim minorities by promising them everything but good education, better jobs and integration into the mainstream.

Consider all the implications of the “topi-tilak” metaphor and how it is actually demeaning to secularism.

One, even if secularism is about symbolism, surely it cannot be one-sided. How many minority leaders have been sporting the “tilak”? Have we seen Omar Abdullah with a “tilak” or even a Mayawati with one? Which Kerala minority leader is into any kind of symbolic wooing? In fact, the strength of the Kerala model is the “salad bowl” approach of the political parties there, where each community keeps its own symbols, and joins together in a coalition. Is it only the so-called Hindu leader who has to prove his secular credentials by wearing a topi?

Two, if identity is a matter of personal choice, as Amartya Sen keeps reminding us, why is it important for Modi to prove a point by wearing a skull-cap? Assuming he does wear a skull-cap, does that make him instantly secular? Why is he not entitled to decide his own identity? Why should he pretend to be a multi-identity person hypocritically, never mind his personal convictions?

Three, secularism is about not being bigoted, and about not discriminating against any community in official policy (among other things). If Nitish Kumar’s definition is valid, then we should consider the French to be communal for they have banned every religious symbol from public life – no crosses, no headscarves, no turbans even for Sikhs. We should even call the Irish communal, for they managed to apply their own religion-influenced anti-abortion law on a pregnant Indian immigrant and killed her.

Four, is Nitish Kumar’s secularism only skin deep? He may not like Modi, but surely he is close to LK Advani, who is the original creator of the Hindutva wave which ended with the Babri demolition. Nitish even flagged off Advani’s anti-corruption yatra. So what is this selective targeting of “communal” Modi about beyond a clash of political ambitions?

Five, in India we define bigotry too narrowly to include only Hindu communalism. Caste-based communalism is not considered, unless this is to target upper caste bigotry. Thus, a Congress party can ally with parties that are purely Muslim – Indian Union Muslim League, Majlis-e-Ittehadul Muslimeen – and not be called communal. A Samajwadi Party can align with all kinds of mullahs and base its vote on Yadavs, but it is not communal. The DMK can oppress Dalits in Tamil Nadu, but it will not be called communal. Every party in the Kerala coalition represents a separate community – Muslims, Christians, Nairs, Ezhavas – but it is not a communal coalition. The CPI(M) can kill Muslims in Nandigram, but it is not communal. Nitish Kumar has validated this kind of nonsense.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 16 Apr 2013 06:41

Wow, the Media, Congress, NGO, ityadi nexus is so powerful and suffocating. The hatred is unparalleled, I have seen small doses of such hatred between AIADMK and DMK; and the right-wing nuts in maasa have for Obama. But INC vs Modi is alarming and beyond words. The systematic onslaught and propoganda against him is evil at its best. In 2002 INC must have not thought him as a big threat, so why did he become such a target? And, yet he is standing after a decade of bombardment.

As dharma protected Karna, probably dharma is protecting Modi too.

Kakkaji · Post by **Kakkaji** » 16 Apr 2013 06:43

Folks:

Here is my conspiracy theory.

Nitish is no fool. He would not have gone out on a limb like this, unless he was guaranteed the results.

I think Nitish has been assured, by the ISI, that if he throws a spanner in Modi's wheel, then the Muslims of Bihar will move their votes away from Laloo to him. This will more than compensate for the loss of upper caste votes when he breaks from BJP.

His visit to Pakistan (what was the need for it?) shows that he is in ISI's good books, and they have dumped Laloo.

Nitish is playing to the ISI's script. Shivraj Singh's interview also hints at it.

It is not just Nitish. I think a number of A-list political leaders, and political parties, in India have been compromised by the ISI.

JMT and TIFWIW please.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 16 Apr 2013 06:56

Suicide or renewal

London: The Indian electorate will shortly face a momentous choice, between national socio-economic demise and the promise of renewal. Narendra Modi represents the latter, the Congress and the United Progressive Alliance catastrophe. Never has the choice been so clear. The UPA is bankrupt in every sense, morally, intellectually, politically and as an instrument of governance. It has virtually destroyed the Indian economy which appeared poised to reach unprecedented historic heights after millennia of stagnation. The basis for economic growth through the provision of physical infrastructure, the rule of law and educational development have been reduced to ashes by the Congress and its allies, engrossed with plundering the nation. An untutored UPA chairperson is presiding over a preposterous National Advisory Council, causing such grievous harm to India’s economy that it is creating the conditions for military assault by China, which reputedly it has been contemplating. And the damage to the economy inflicted by the UPA and its NAC minions will result in a disastrous outcome in such an encounter. Of the prime minister and minister of defence, little need be said, except that honourable men would have long ago departed, heads bowed in shame, to have been party to such callous disregard for their country and fellow citizens.

The Congress cabal of utter incompetents and disgraceful dissimulators has bequeathed India fiscal bankruptcy and a current account deficit that guarantees even greater economic distress to its people and national shame to boot. The social costs being borne already are impoverishment through runaway inflation and burgeoning unemployment. The parting poisoned chalice of the Congress for India’s future generations has been to surrender the potentially huge rents its retail sector will yield to foreign interests, reviled widely for their rapacity. No doubt some corrupt immediate consideration was proffered by these would-be latter-day marauders. But that is what the Congress and its shameless allies have been doing with abandon. It daily adds insult to injury by unleashing the intolerable Digvijay Singh to rub salt in the wound. One wonders if the Congress is so obtuse that it imagines the public has not yet figured that he speaks on behalf of India’s anointed, monarchical pretender and they are not well pleased!

The contemptuous low esteem in which the outside world holds UPA’s India was humiliatingly underlined at the recent BRICs meeting in Durban. The Indian premier was denied the courtesy of even a formal greeting by the inconsequential head of the host state and also banished to lodgings 40 km from the event venue. Could there be a worse insult for India, which campaigned steadfastly for decades to end apartheid, sacrificing valuable international political capital in the process? It hasn’t even occurred to India’s notoriously self-regarding foreign minister and his senior foreign ministry advisers to indicate displeasure by reducing Indian diplomatic representation in South Africa below the level of high commissioner] Self-harm seems to be a way of life for India’s policy-makers, preoccupied with urgent matters like their Gymkhana and Delhi Golf Club memberships and the purchase of a suitably ostentatious motor vehicle on retirement.

The Congress is justly fearful of Narendra Modi being chosen as the prime-ministerial candidate by the Bharatiya Janata Party. In cahoots with some BJP leaders, themselves harbouring plenteous political skeletons in their own cupboards, they are using every dirty trick in a forlorn attempt to harm Modi’s reputation. The shrill Congress chorus denouncing him as a fascist and Nazi, the charge of communal having become exhausted from constant repetition, merely highlights their well-merited anxiety. Many political and bureaucratic luminaries correctly anticipate a sojourn in Tihar jail once earnest investigations and prosecutions are launched by a Modi administration. He appears to have declined to reach the kind of mutual forbearance agreed with Congress by A.B.Vajpayee and L.K.Advani’s kin and their nauseating advisers.

All that remains for the ruling coalition to instigate is a major communal riot, possibly in Gujarat, to frighten the electorate and create the opportunity of another gory feast of deceit for a purchased media, microphone and camera on the ready. The Opposition and its senior leaders must prepare for such a contingency by ensuring adequate intelligence, though a solitary initial provocation will be harder to anticipate. The mobility of security agencies and the ability to deploy the police rapidly must also be assured. It may be wise to nominate, in advance of any untoward incident, a credible appointee to wield day-to-day executive authority if such an unfortunate event occurs. The governmental, political authority can then act as the basis of legal and political validation rather than the direct executive authority dealing with the emergency. Narendra Modi should also pay attention to his personal security because if he were to suffer an accident riots are likely to ensue across India. It will benefit the self-proclaimed protectors of minority victims while also giving potential BJP voters a mighty scare that may prompt them to vote in favour of supposedly safer options.

The opposition to Narendra Modi from National Democratic Alliance allies is so obviously instigated by some unsavoury BJP personalities that it is hardly worthy of comment. However, despite all the threats emanating from them, a BJP led by Narendra Modi might gain at the forthcoming Lok Sabha elections by dispensing with these allies and going it alone, without any arrangements over sharing seats. The Congress perhaps foolishly imagines such a split within the NDA will bring them the kind of electoral dividends they have been reaping through their devious arrangement with Raj Thackeray. On the contrary, it is more likely that the growing groundswell of support for Narendra Modi across the nation, propelled by determined campaigning by an inspired Sangha cadre, will result in a sustainable number of Lok Sabha members for the BJP that will only require modest outside support to form a viable coalition to govern. The BJP should choose Narendra Modi as its prime-ministerial candidate and dare the Janata Dal (United) and Shiv Sena to do their worst, which will only mean political oblivion for them and likely electoral gains for a BJP led by Narendra Modi.

In any case, the BJP will almost certainly suffer reverses in the Lok Sabha elections without Modi at the helm. It will in fact result in either a chaotically fractured electoral verdict or allow Congress to gain enough votes to contemplate forming a coalition to rule again. By contrast, a courageous Modi/BJP-led parliamentary campaign is likely to galvanize India and give a historic verdict that will rescue the country from immense dangers. Destiny or the Almighty, if one prefers, has willed Narendra Modi to lead India out of the desperate predicament to which the UPA chairperson and her gutless, nominated prime minister have reduced it. India stands on the cusp of destiny and the appropriate political choice will determine whether it collapses ignominiously or grasps the opportunity for stability and a promising future of economic advance and associated good governance. Narendra Modi is unlikely to deliver everything, because India is not Gujarat, but he will surely prepare the ground for better things to come.

Dr Gautam Sen has taught Political Economy at the London School of Economics.
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disha · Post by **disha** » 16 Apr 2013 06:56

vijayk wrote:^^ I thionk ahole Rahul Kanwal and Headless Today wasted their conspiracy sh1t on Modi today. Now that Boston news is hitting no one will talk about it.

May be our PAID MEDIA and losers like Rahul Kanwal will blame Modi for Boston blasts to escape from their new findings.

The crooks again started Feb 28-Mar 1 is 3 days of inaction. The garbage PAID MEDIA has no shame and brains.

Is there a link or capture of that information? I need to send it to an #internetpappu.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 16 Apr 2013 06:58

The so called secret stuff by garbage paid sh1tbag Rahul Kanwal

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/c ... 155776.ece

Gujarat home department has made a clarification on the issue of destruction of Intelligence Bureau records related to 2002 riots, saying that all crucial records were intact and available.

Only some of the records or data which were of temporary nature or those classified to be destroyed after five or 10 years under the rules of the department have been destroyed, it said.

Senior counsel S.B. Vakil, representing the state government before Nanavati Commission which is probing the 2002 riots, had last month told reporters that telephone call records, officers’ movement registers and vehicle log books of the State Intelligence Bureau (SIB) pertaining to the period of 2002 riots were destroyed in 2007, as per government rules.

“The SIB records pertaining to communications that took place during the 2002 riots have been classified as of permanent nature and have not been destroyed and are available,” a home department official told PTI on condition of anonymity.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 16 Apr 2013 07:00

Excellent news...We'll be thanking Niku soon: BJP plans to quit Nitish govt after Karnataka polls