Uddhav will be making a big mistake if he doesn't support the CAB in RS. His nationalist vote is going to desert him in a jiffy.
Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1
Posted: 11 Dec 2019 00:36
by ShyamSP
Supratik wrote:Uddhav will be making a big mistake if he doesn't support the CAB in RS. His nationalist vote is going to desert him in a jiffy.
Looks like BJP has number in RS. SS's 3 members may not make dent in the deal. However, if SS doesn't support bill it is terrible injustice to their founder Bal Thackeray.
As it stands right now, the BJP has 83 MPs in the Rajya Sabha, while its NDA partners — All India Anna Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam or AIADMK (11), Lok Janshakti Party or LJP (1), Republican Party of India (Athawale) or RPI(A) (1), Shiromani Akali Dal or SAD (3), JD(U) (6), Asom Gana Parishad or AGP (1), Bodoland People's Front or BPF (1), and Paattali Makkal Katchi or PMK (1) — take the total number to 108. Among non-NDA members which supported the Bill in the Lok Sabha are Biju Janata Dal or BJD (7), Shiv Sena (3), YSR Congress Party or YSRCP (2), and Telugu Desam Party or TDP (2).
Additionally, four of the six Independent MPs and three of the four nominated MPs are likely to support the Bill, which takes the number of those in favour of the bill, on paper, to 129. With 121 votes needed to pass the Bill in the house, which has an effective strength of 240, the BJP seems to have the support it needs.
Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1
Posted: 11 Dec 2019 00:43
by Supratik
Bill is going to pass unless something unexpected happens but Uddhav may be committing political suicide if he doesn't support bill.
Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1
Posted: 11 Dec 2019 01:25
by vijayk
Supratik wrote:Bill is going to pass unless something unexpected happens but Uddhav may be committing political suicide if he doesn't support bill.
Damned if they do (Italian Islamo/EJ gang wil be breathing down their neck)
Damned if they don't (People will be mad)
Italian MAFIA will not tolerate YES vote. They will have to act.
So CON sena might walk out hoping their stripes won't be exposed
Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1
Posted: 11 Dec 2019 01:45
by KJo
UT has to choose between Ram Rajya and Rome Rajya.
Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1
Posted: 11 Dec 2019 03:45
by chetak
Michael Kugelman Verified account @MichaelKugelman
Today, Indian Home Minister Amit Shah said: "There is no persecution of Muslims in #Pakistan."
Is he unfamiliar with the history of Shias and Ahmadis there?
What a curious way to defend New Delhi's proposed new citizenship law.
Amit Shah, seeing eye to eye w/Pak nationalists.
10:16 AM - 9 Dec 2019
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Yeah totally “persecuted”
Jinnah - Shia
Yahya Khan - Shia Qizilbash
Bhutto Family - Shia
Abdus Salam - Nobel laureate father of the Pakistani nuke - Ahmadiyya
Zafar Chaudhry - chief of Air Staff - Ahmadiyya
Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1
Posted: 11 Dec 2019 03:59
by chetak
Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1
Posted: 11 Dec 2019 04:14
by chetak
Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1
Posted: 11 Dec 2019 04:17
by kit
Supratik wrote:Bill is going to pass unless something unexpected happens but Uddhav may be committing political suicide if he doesn't support bill.
isnt he halfway through anyway!
Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1
Posted: 11 Dec 2019 04:26
by KJo
Does CAB allow Pakistani Christians to get Indian citizenship too?
Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1
Posted: 11 Dec 2019 05:07
by KLNMurthy
KJo wrote:Does CAB allow Pakistani Christians to get Indian citizenship too?
From Wikipedia page on the bill:
The Bill amends the Citizenship Act of 1955 to make illegal migrants who are Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, Jains, Parsis and Christians from Afghanistan, Bangladesh and Pakistan, who entered India on or before 31 December 2014, eligible for Indian citizenship.
Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1
Posted: 11 Dec 2019 05:34
by OmkarC
KLNMurthy wrote:
KJo wrote:Does CAB allow Pakistani Christians to get Indian citizenship too?
From Wikipedia page on the bill:
The Bill amends the Citizenship Act of 1955 to make illegal migrants who are Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, Jains, Parsis and Christians from Afghanistan, Bangladesh and Pakistan, who entered India on or before 31 December 2014, eligible for Indian citizenship.
What about those who entered recently due to persecution in recent years (from Jan 1, 2015 onwards..)
Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1
Posted: 11 Dec 2019 05:35
by g.sarkar
KJo wrote:Does CAB allow Pakistani Christians to get Indian citizenship too?
Yes. But I did not hear of the Ahmadiyyas as they are no longer Muslim and have become a minority community . I am sure they would like to return back to India. I have met some Pakistani Christians in America. They are helped by the church to come to the Khan land.
Gautam
Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1
Posted: 11 Dec 2019 05:38
by chetak
OmkarC wrote:
KLNMurthy wrote:
From Wikipedia page on the bill:
What about those who entered recently due to persecution in recent years (from Jan 1, 2015 onwards..)
There will be a long and detailed verification process for all refugees in the minority category.
As always foreign muslims can apply for naturalization through normal channels and take their chances like everyone else.
CAB notwithstanding, nothing is guaranteed.
Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1
Posted: 11 Dec 2019 07:57
by OmkarC
chetak wrote:
OmkarC wrote:
What about those who entered recently due to persecution in recent years (from Jan 1, 2015 onwards..)
There will be a long and detailed verification process for all refugees in the minority category.
As always foreign muslims can apply for naturalization through normal channels and take their chances like everyone else.
CAB notwithstanding, nothing is guaranteed.
Not Muslims, the others.. why distinguish Hindus who have been persecuted recently from those who were persecuted earlier ?
Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1
Posted: 11 Dec 2019 10:34
by chetak
g.sarkar wrote:
KJo wrote:Does CAB allow Pakistani Christians to get Indian citizenship too?
Yes. But I did not hear of the Ahmadiyyas as they are no longer Muslim and have become a minority community . I am sure they would like to return back to India. I have met some Pakistani Christians in America. They are helped by the church to come to the Khan land.
Gautam
The ahmadiyyas claim themselves as muslim and their practices and beliefs are overwhelmingly muslim.
they are approx 200 million strong world wide.
how do they become minority in pak where even shia are not considered muslim enough.
they convert others and believe that their way is the only way.
they can go to other islamic countries or fight for their own share in pakiland.
they cannot and should not be covered under the Indian CAB.
g.sarkar wrote: But I did not hear of the Ahmadiyyas as they are no longer Muslim and have become a minority community
chetak wrote:The ahmadiyyas claim themselves as muslim and their practices and beliefs are overwhelmingly muslim.
As some body already mentioned Shias, Ahmadiyyas, Rohingyas are Muslims but for other Muslims they are not Muslim enough. So it would be better for Muslims to sit around, discuss and sort out their issues. The conflicts between them cannot be attributed as one religion v/s another religion.
Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1
Posted: 11 Dec 2019 11:03
by Vayutuvan
habal wrote:
What is the dems excuse ?
Rhodes scholar became prez and cheated on his SHQ. vindictive SHQ wanted to take vengeance but lost due to hubris.
Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1
Posted: 11 Dec 2019 11:05
by pankajs
OmkarC wrote:
chetak wrote:
There will be a long and detailed verification process for all refugees in the minority category.
As always foreign muslims can apply for naturalization through normal channels and take their chances like everyone else.
CAB notwithstanding, nothing is guaranteed.
Not Muslims, the others.. why distinguish Hindus who have been persecuted recently from those who were persecuted earlier ?
To prevent the system from being gamed the cutoff is suitable back dated.
I urge Shri Nitish Kumar to reconsider support to the #CAB in the Rajya Sabha. The Bill is unconstitutional, discriminatory, and against the unity and harmony of the country, apart from being against the secular principles of the JDU. Gandhiji would have strongly disapproved it.
Gandhiji would have disapproved
1. Beef eating
2. Alcohol
3. Ambedkar
4. Sex (except as experiment)
5. Western clothes
Baaki ideas kab poore honge Gandhiji ke?
This is getting better!
Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1
Posted: 11 Dec 2019 11:11
by Vikas
Ahmadiyyas are considered bona-fide Muslims by GoI and hence not eligible for CAB.
We don't care how Pakhis discriminate between various Islamic sects inside Pakhistan.
I urge Shri Nitish Kumar to reconsider support to the #CAB in the Rajya Sabha. The Bill is unconstitutional, discriminatory, and against the unity and harmony of the country, apart from being against the secular principles of the JDU. Gandhiji would have strongly disapproved it.
Gandhiji would have disapproved
1. Beef eating
2. Alcohol
3. Ambedkar
4. Sex (except as experiment)
5. Western clothes
Baaki ideas kab poore honge Gandhiji ke?
This is getting better!
How do we know MKG would have approved or disapproved of any Govt action ? Hain Ji !
Would he have approved sleeping naked with young nubile girls in the name of experiment ?
Looten system is unravelling, one pillar at a time in front of our eyes.
Err.. Isn't uscirf an EJ institution many of whose members worship DT and secretly supported his travel ban on peaceful from entering Khanland?
If they are interested they should first grant citizenship to millions of peacefools from around the world.
Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1
Posted: 11 Dec 2019 11:19
by Yagnasri
Every sect of Islam consider itself as Islamic only. As long as they follow Islam of their own version they can not say they are not Muslims.
This bill has much deeper ideological and policy implications in many areas. Very much similar to the Parliament unanimous resolution of entire state of J&K being part of India. Any one remembered or cared for it that till AS kicked a&& doing Art 370 debate and now with Indo-Afghan border statement? CAB is similar to that.
Lef-Lib (new word for Left Liberals) understood this better than mango BJP voters. Hence the rudali weepings.
In Bihar, Muslim Sheikhs erect a wall in the middle of a road to block Muslim Ansaris whom they consider lower caste. This is the religion that preaches universal brotherhood.
#NewsAlert – Home Minister is not aware of our history and nor has he read our constitution properly. I would like him to read it carefully. The division of India-Pakistan was not because of religion: Kapil Sibal.
#CitizenshipDebate
Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1
Posted: 11 Dec 2019 11:46
by Karthik S
Vikas wrote:Ahmadiyyas are considered bona-fide Muslims by GoI and hence not eligible for CAB.
We don't care how Pakhis discriminate between various Islamic sects inside Pakhistan.
Not just sects, don't sunni punjabis have a problem with pashtuns, sindhi sunnis as well?
Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1
Posted: 11 Dec 2019 11:57
by chetak
Another rudali brigade, one that mocked the Sardar Patel statue in Gujarat is laid low.
The smell of the rudali's burning hair from you know where is overwhelming
It may even be earning more than the taj mahal, a sickular favourite for obvious reasons
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Statue of Unity surpasses daily average footfall at USA's Statue of Liberty.
On avg, it’s getting 15,000 visitors every day compared to just 10,000 at Statue of Liberty.
Statue of Unity surpasses daily average footfall at USA's Statue of Liberty
06 Dec 2019
The Statue of Unity is a statue of Vallabhbhai Patel, the first home minister of the country.
With a height of 182 metres, it is the world's tallest statue.
NEW DELHI : In just over a year of its unveiling, the Statue of Unity has surpassed the footfall at the 133-year-old Statue of Liberty in the US, with an average of over 15,000 tourists visiting the monument in Gujarat daily.
"With 74 per cent increase over the daily average of the first year, that is, November 1, 2018 to October 31, 2019, daily average of 15,036 is now registered in the first month of this second year.
"This has further increased to 22,430 on weekend days. The Statue of Liberty of New York, United States, attracts around 10,000 visitors a day!" a statement by Sardar Sarovar Narmada Nigam Ltd said.
The Statue of Unity is a statue of Vallabhbhai Patel, the first home minister of the country. With a height of 182 metres, it is the world's tallest statue.
It is located near the Sardar Sarovar Dam on the river Narmada in Kevadiya colony in Gujarat.
Designed by Indian sculptor Ram V Sutar, the project was first announced in 2010, and was finally unveiled on October 31 last year by Prime Minister Narendra Modi.
In the statement, Sardar Sarovar Narmada Nigam Ltd credited the rise in footfall at the monument to the addition of several new tourist attractions such as jungle safari, children's nutrition park, cactus garden, butterfly garden, ekta nursery, dino trail, river rafting, boating, alongside multiple budget accommodation options.
"These additional tourist attractions have led to a sharp increase in the daily tourists' footfall during November 2019," it said.
It also added that a total of 30,90,723 tourists have visited Kevadia till November 30 this year, generating a total income of ₹85.57 crore.
Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1
Posted: 11 Dec 2019 12:01
by Prem Kumar
ShyamSP wrote:
As it stands right now, the BJP has 83 MPs in the Rajya Sabha, while its NDA partners — All India Anna Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam or AIADMK (11), Lok Janshakti Party or LJP (1), Republican Party of India (Athawale) or RPI(A) (1), Shiromani Akali Dal or SAD (3), JD(U) (6), Asom Gana Parishad or AGP (1), Bodoland People's Front or BPF (1), and Paattali Makkal Katchi or PMK (1) — take the total number to 108. Among non-NDA members which supported the Bill in the Lok Sabha are Biju Janata Dal or BJD (7), Shiv Sena (3), YSR Congress Party or YSRCP (2), and Telugu Desam Party or TDP (2).
Additionally, four of the six Independent MPs and three of the four nominated MPs are likely to support the Bill, which takes the number of those in favour of the bill, on paper, to 129. With 121 votes needed to pass the Bill in the house, which has an effective strength of 240, the BJP seems to have the support it needs.
If JD(U) & Shiv Sena backstab, BJP will be 1 short
BREAKING @ABPNews - Cong leadership was deeply upset with Shiv Sena's support to CAB in LS yesterday, Party has clearly sent msg to Shiv Sena that if they do this, 4-5 Ministries to Cong won't matter - Sources
If Shia, Hazara and Ahmadiyas are so very unhappy in Pakistan then they must ask a separate homeland carved out of the Pakistan just like they did with India.
For decades Islamofascists in Pakistan have bludgeoned non-Muslims. US & Europe didn't lift a little finger to save them from depredations of the Pakistani state & society. Now that India is offering the persecuted minorities some succor, India is the villain. Go figure it out
Did you Know 4 Min in the Nehru Cabinet resigned over the Nehru Liaquat Pact
1. Dr. Syama Prasad Mookeejee, Min of Industries & Supplies
2. Dr. Bhim Rao Ambedkar, Minister of Law
3. K.C. Neogy Min of Relief & Rehabilitation
4. John Matthai, Minister of Finance
#CitizenshipDebate
Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1
Posted: 11 Dec 2019 12:45
by Karthik S
Prem Kumar wrote:
ShyamSP wrote:
As it stands right now, the BJP has 83 MPs in the Rajya Sabha, while its NDA partners — All India Anna Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam or AIADMK (11), Lok Janshakti Party or LJP (1), Republican Party of India (Athawale) or RPI(A) (1), Shiromani Akali Dal or SAD (3), JD(U) (6), Asom Gana Parishad or AGP (1), Bodoland People's Front or BPF (1), and Paattali Makkal Katchi or PMK (1) — take the total number to 108. Among non-NDA members which supported the Bill in the Lok Sabha are Biju Janata Dal or BJD (7), Shiv Sena (3), YSR Congress Party or YSRCP (2), and Telugu Desam Party or TDP (2).
Additionally, four of the six Independent MPs and three of the four nominated MPs are likely to support the Bill, which takes the number of those in favour of the bill, on paper, to 129. With 121 votes needed to pass the Bill in the house, which has an effective strength of 240, the BJP seems to have the support it needs.
If JD(U) & Shiv Sena backstab, BJP will be 1 short
Should they walk out?
Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1
Posted: 11 Dec 2019 12:46
by sum
pankajs wrote:CON is making history up as it goes ..
#NewsAlert – Home Minister is not aware of our history and nor has he read our constitution properly. I would like him to read it carefully. The division of India-Pakistan was not because of religion: Kapil Sibal.
#CitizenshipDebate
Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1
Posted: 11 Dec 2019 12:56
by sudarshan
pankajs wrote:CON is making history up as it goes ..
Shri Sibal is unaware of current affairs, nor has he read the text of the CAB properly. I urge him to read the text. CAB is not about religion.
Brablem isholved .
Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1
Posted: 11 Dec 2019 12:59
by SRajesh
CAB
In all the brouhaha and the usual 'Galate' as we say in kannnada, one thing that thing that is being missed:
Why the liberandus want 'peaceful' not be excluded.
My take is if not in two years but in the next decade there is going to be an implosion in napak due to various reasons.
That would lead to a mass migration of the 'unwashed Abduls' and will be in only one direction,
The 'Troika' know about this and are forwarding planning to stop them at the gates.
And the liberandus also know and want to maintain and open gate!!
Beedi 'gussbhaiti' is just a smoke screen??
Any take on this by the 'Strategic Experts' on the forum please
Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1
Posted: 11 Dec 2019 13:12
by chetak
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We live in a country where there is more outrage over BJP fulfilling promises mentioned in it's manifesto like NRC, CAB, scrapping Art370, etc than Congress forgetting their promises like loan waiver, unemployment allowance, etc.
Really Fascinating.
Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1
Posted: 11 Dec 2019 13:25
by pankajs
Note ...
ALWAYS keep that in mind when face to face with any gyan form the West. The "Christian theology & history" is so pervasive that even great "Atheist", who actually dislike their religion of birth, end up evangelizing the "Christian theology & history" unknowingly!
The claim that morality depends on religion is both logically incoherent (Plato’s Euthyphro) and factually incorrect. The two greatest moral statements in the history of our species are 100% secular: UDHR, & UN Sustainable Development Goals. (Eliminating extreme poverty!)
To which the author of the "New history of Christianity - ‘Dominion’"
Tom Holland @holland_tom
The great thing about disguising culturally contingent assumptions bred of Christian theology & history as somehow universal is that you might even get famous atheists to evangelise them for you!
This is what I had pointed out earlier about RSS & Modi. They too have adopted certain "key constructs" from the "Abrahamics" into their theology in the name of "modernity".
Re: 2019 Strategic and Political Analysis-1
Posted: 11 Dec 2019 13:27
by chetak
his brother in pakilund has already converted to islam.
derek no brain went there some years ago and after much difficulty traced his brother's family and found that they had converted.
he also wrote about it.
so no CAB route for his paki family
#CAB2019 Derek O brien opposes Citizenship Amendment Bill what he conveniently forgets that his family is from Peshawar who fled prosecution during partition
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