Internal Security Watch

Victor · Post by **Victor** » 16 Aug 2012 11:56

The NE folks won"t leave on mere rumors. Many or most of them have been given the same message--"you will be killed"--and after Mumbai, nobody is taking a chance. The peaceful brigade from Assam to Pune to B'lore to Mumbai have shown a very dangerous level of coordination and premeditation (they started the killing in Assam), something that leaves the rest of us completely vulnerable, hogtied and powerless.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 16 Aug 2012 12:06

Singha wrote:there is no need for army, just the local police , CID, IB and informers are enough in ANY state of india if given POLITICAL backing and support to go after troublemakers.

We just saw how police were not sufficient in Assam. Best to call in the Army if so many people are affected, as that tends to get mischief under control.

Virupaksha · Post by **Virupaksha** » 16 Aug 2012 12:55

vera_k wrote:
Singha wrote:there is no need for army, just the local police , CID, IB and informers are enough in ANY state of india if given POLITICAL backing and support to go after troublemakers.
We just saw how police were not sufficient in Assam. Best to call in the Army if so many people are affected, as that tends to get mischief under control.

The police controlled the khalistan movement, saar. They also turned blind and assisted when Bhindranwale was rising. You are seriously underestimating the coercive powers available even at state govt level.

Congress finds its profitable to allow illegal migration for vote bank politics and so abbets them. Thats about it.

A clear political directive and protection works wonders in either direction. One doesnt need to look any where else.

rkirankr · Post by **rkirankr** » 16 Aug 2012 17:08

30,000 security guards are leaving Bangalore What the hell is happening. It happened with Kashmir Pandits and now North East people. I think the pseudopsec will definitely find some JNUesq explanation to justify this.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 16 Aug 2012 17:17

vera_k wrote:Best to call in the Army if so many people are affected, as that tends to get mischief under control.

I would really like to know how Army can stop this problem. The Army has zilch intelligence on Bangalore terror gangs, known criminals, Jehadi elements etc. Here the mischief is not physical violence. Then what is the Army trying to stop? This exodus seems to be clearly orchestrated. If the perpetrators have to be identified it has to plain old police detecive work which needs to be done.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 16 Aug 2012 17:18

DDM is aldready blaming RSS, so they stick to that stand.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 16 Aug 2012 17:21

rkirankr wrote:30,000 security guards are leaving Bangalore

From the above link..
Post last Saturday's violence in Mumbai [ Images ] following an anti-Assam protest that claimed two lives and left over 50 injured, a northeast student received an anonymous SMS in Bengaluru [ Images ], which read: Be careful and look after yourselves, you will be attacked after Ramazan.
I am sure our agenices at least have the knowledge and technology to trace out the origins of such SMS messages. And then they can go for the people who triggered this.

nakul · Post by **nakul** » 16 Aug 2012 17:29

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak out for me.

member_19686 · Post by **member_19686** » 16 Aug 2012 18:37

Badaruddin Ajmal Responsible for Mass Exodus: AASU
PTI | GUWAHATI | AUG 16, 2012

The influential All Assam Students Union today held prominent minority leader and president of the All India United Democratic Front Badaruddin Ajmal responsible for the mass exodus and fear psychosis among students and persons of the Northeast.

"There is a fear psychosis among students in the states of Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh and Maharashtra as a direct result of the communal politics played by Ajmal," AASU advisor Samujjal Bhattacharjee alleged in a press conference here.

The student body warned Ajmal "not to give communal colour to the violence in Assam" and appealed to the students not to panic and refrain from rushing back.

The former student leader said he had personally talked to the Karnataka Chief Minister and Home Minister who have assured all security.

He said at least three overcrowded trains would be reaching here from Bangalore tomorrow and that thousands of panic-stricken people were stranded in various stations of those states including Secunderabad.

The former student leader claimed that a person from Kokrajhar who had gone to Andhra Pradesh to help two other persons who were injured was thrown out of a running train near Palasa and killed.

"Sanjib Roy of Kokrajhar was mercilessly thrown out of a running train near the Palasa railway station in Andhra Pradesh's Srikakulam district on August 14 as he was escorting two of his friends," he alleged.

Bhattacharjee said his body was still lying at the Sompeta government hospital and demanded that the Centre and state governments take measures to get it back to the state.

Squarely blaming Chief Minister Tarun Gogoi for "failing to control the violence in the state and elsewhere", Bhattacharjee alleged that as the head of the state "his policies have failed to protect lives and property of people".

Demanding that post-1971 migrants from Bangladesh leave Assam as per the provisions of the Assam accord, he said no person suspected to be an illegal immigrant should be rehabilitated.

FILED ON: AUG 16, 2012 16:44 IST

http://news.outlookindia.com/items.aspx?artid=772187

kish · Post by **kish** » 16 Aug 2012 18:40

Bodoland Muslims might turn ‘militant,’ warns minorities panel

There is a possibility that Muslims in the Bodo districts of Assam will turn “militant,” influenced by jihadi outfits from across India, in case their security is not ensured by the State government.

Atleast there is an candid admission about the existing jihadi outfits across India. Secular newpapers would like us believe otherwise.

The NCM delegation, which included Planning Commission member Syeda Hameed and NCM member K.N. Daruwalla, visited Kokrajhar, Gossaigaon, Dhubri and Bilasipara in July. Its report said the cause of the riot originated from the conflict between the Bodos and the resident Muslims of BTAD, and not between Bangladeshi migrants and the Bodos, even though it said infiltration from Bangladesh did take place throughout the year.

The last 3 lines are incredible. Please read it carefully to understand it.

The moment a Bangladeshi muslim makes a cross over to India, becomes a Indian muslim.

“There can be grave danger in future in case militant jihadi outfits from the rest of the country start supplying lethal weapons in this area,” it said.

If this isn't sedition, i don't know what else is? An open threat from Planning commission member & National commission for Minorities.

By the way, another candid admission. Jihadi outfits from rest of the country has Lethal weapons, they have enough of them to spare a few to their bangladeshi brethren.

devesh · Post by **devesh** » 16 Aug 2012 18:41

where are the voices that constantly shout loud and clear that the fantastical delusions of the Hindu fascists need to be kept in check, for they don't belong to reality? is this real enough now? we have a coordinated and well thought out action plan that is in execution across India, perhaps now the enlightened who call us "parasitic ingrates" can open their eyes?!

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 16 Aug 2012 18:42

WHy has the Railways Ministry and KKR govt doing in Andhra, is thier ally MIM above the law??

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 16 Aug 2012 18:49

Victor wrote:The NE folks won"t leave on mere rumors. Many or most of them have been given the same message--"you will be killed"--and after Mumbai, nobody is taking a chance. The peaceful brigade from Assam to Pune to B'lore to Mumbai have shown a very dangerous level of coordination and premeditation (they started the killing in Assam), something that leaves the rest of us completely vulnerable, hogtied and powerless.

Intelligence agencies must rise as much so as to surpass the challenge, especially after such rumors all over Bangalore and thousands of people leaving. It could be serious than thought off, including repercussions in Bangalore and in NE where people lose jobs & monthly earnings are hit. The pics of people leaving at station look like nothing less than exodus and this is as alarming as anything else. The BJP Govt. should make this highest priority level issue to deal.

Coordinated efforts to get the people back and get things normal as soon as possible must be made at the earliest else subsequent to decrease in security personnel it will come to people to face off danger at family-individual level. The Govt should avail purchase of fire arms so as to deal with dangerous situation as such a situation can inflate in a matter of short time.

It is better that institutions like RSS start organizing the affected people on day to day basis, and some inputs from defense personnel could come considering this is about security of citizens as well as guardians. In fact such an authority could be made available to people to even make voluntary efforts or as such, available at places of importance such as railway stations, to regulate and keep vyavastha in check. Perhaps help of retired military personnel could be made available to increase vigilance at areas of importance.

More on Mumbai violence: Mumbai violence was pre-planned: Intelligence sources

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 16 Aug 2012 18:58

More on Mumbai violence: Mumbai violence was pre-planned: Intelligence sources

No sh*t Sherlock!!What were you doing before it happened?

Demanding hafta from local shop keepers and protecting rapist ministers?

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 16 Aug 2012 19:09

ramana wrote:
More on Mumbai violence: Mumbai violence was pre-planned: Intelligence sources
No sh*t Sherlock!!What were you doing before it happened?

Demanding hafta from local shop keepers and protecting rapist ministers?

Sorry, I don't agree, UB Banerjee commision in 6 months time will declare this an accident and XXTV will say that Consipiracy theory was brought up by Right wing Fascists.

Remember, Godhra as the Honarable commission report and endorsed by the current regime was a mass sucide where Trishul weilding Kar servaks (Never mind many of the victims were not Kar sevaks) self imolated themselves in front of thousands of Minorities in shame for attempting to molest a minority minor girl at Godhra station. In respect of thier sentiments, the minority community did not allow firefighters to stop this.

It was by accident this happened that this incident took focus away from opetration Parakram and happenned 1 day after UP elections ended.

Enough people in the country belived them to vote this regime back in power in 2009. If that was possible , anything can be justified.

Venkarl · Post by **Venkarl** » 16 Aug 2012 19:19

We now have a new addition--"Buddhist Radicals" to the list of Saffron Terrorists, RSS Goons, VHP Vandals, Trishul Weilding Shiv Shainiks etc...

Same DDM called Kasab and his party as Gunmen or Pakistani Terrorists/Militants....no balls to call them Islamic Terrorists/Radicals?

sum · Post by **sum** » 16 Aug 2012 19:28

How long before the man becomes the darling of secular DDM?

Azad Maidan riots: Man held after video shows him firing SLR

A 23-year-old man was arrested today after a video of Saturday's violent protests here against alleged atrocities on Muslims in Assam showed him firing a police weapon, raising suspicion that two protesters killed in the rioting could have fallen to friendly fire.

"Salim Allarakha Choukiya alias Ali (23), who had snatched a rifle from the police during the riots, was arrested from Anand Nagar area of suburban Oshiwara today," Ravindra Patil, assistant inspector at Oshiwara police station, said.

Salim could be seen firing a self-loading rifle seized from a policeman, Patil said, adding, "The accused claimed he had abandoned the rifle at the spot before escaping from there and did not fire."

Video footages of the Azad Maidan violence available with the investigators showed a section of protestors firing SLRs in the air.

"We are still to recover a pistol and some bullets missing since the Azad Maidan violence. We have visuals of some people who snatched firearms from police and ired in the air," said a crime branch official, who is the part of the Special Investigating Team probing the case.

Two SLRs, 150 rounds of ammunition and a service pistol of a police inspector had been looted by the mob. Police had later recovered the two SLRs and 29 rounds of ammunition.

Investigators are trying to trace the protesters featuring in the videos carrying guns and have detained five suspected rioters with injury marks. The role of the five in the riots is being ascertained, sources said, adding they have admitted to have been present during the violence but claimed to be innocent.

As hammers, knives and empty cans, said to be used to carry kerosene, and a pistol that did not belong to police were seized from the spot after the rioting, police suspect the violence was pre-planned. They are also probing if thedeath of two persons during the violence was caused due to firing by the unruly mob.

Two youth were killed and 52, including 44 policemen, injured last Saturday when a rally called to protest alleged atrocities on Muslims in Assam and Myanmar turned violent.

The protesters went on the rampage, attacking the police, including some women constables, torching media and police vehicles, smashing cameras of photo journalists and damaging buses.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 16 Aug 2012 19:38

Ticket bhi nahi hai paisa bhi nahin phir bhi jayenge

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 16 Aug 2012 19:55

Assamese Flee South India Fearing Revenge Attacks

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2012/08 ... &ref=world

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 16 Aug 2012 20:02

Sachin wrote:I would really like to know how Army can stop this problem.

The presence of the Army will change the perception that there is not enough security.

Virupaksha wrote:The police controlled the khalistan movement, saar.

That was with a lot of allowances for special circumstances.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 16 Aug 2012 20:22

member_23367 · Post by **member_23367** » 16 Aug 2012 20:30

Lately lot of people have started showing their disgust and dislike to the muslims because of their extremist nature.I know of lot of folks to whome all religions was = =,but now their view are changed after Assam and Mumbai Riots. Lot of people have changed their vision about the satanic cult.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 16 Aug 2012 20:33

vera_k, Its not time to call Army and again detract from the main purpose of the Army to be at the borders.
Besides the INC led UPA is playing political games by singling out only Blore when the exodus under threats was in other cities too.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 16 Aug 2012 20:35

^^^

Even then, won't calling in the Army raise cost for Central government for such behaviour? I don't see why precautions should not be taken given that none of the recent riots were controlled without calling in the Army.

Sachin · Post by **Sachin** » 16 Aug 2012 20:39

vera_k wrote:I don't see why precautions should not be taken given that none of the recent riots were controlled without calling in the Army.

There is an exodus in Bangalore, and not riots. So what can Army do at the moment? Stand at the Railway Station and forcibly stop people from boarding trains? What is now required is to identify the truth behind these death threats and rumours. For that Army is not going to be of much help.

Please note Bangalore is one of the biggest cantonments in India. If Army really needs to march in, they can do that within minutes. And some of these camps are right next to communally sensitive areas. BTW, from what I heard on the street; the police is gearing up (especially with Ramzan coming to a close next week).

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 16 Aug 2012 20:40

^ It is not wise to call in Army at this point. That will be walking into the SECULAR trap.

Use the police force to provide security to public property. The police and para-military CANNOT save Hindu interests under the watch of SECULAR governments, judiciary and Media.

Only Hindu community can put these anti-nationals in place. Everytime the Hindu community raised to the occasion the anti-nationals were put in their place and the minorities felt safe.

lakshmikanth · Post by **lakshmikanth** » 16 Aug 2012 20:53

There should be some way to impose a cost on the psecs for lying. This cost should be painful in someway but painful nevertheless. More on this later. The reasons psecs get away with being psecs, is that there is no pain associated with being one. There are infact benefits to PRETEND that you are a psec even when you are fully aware of the ground reality.

SamG,

The pisko pattern usually is:

PSEC ( == ) goes to Cognitive Dissonance (RSS/Yinduuuu kaaanspiracy) goes to Reality (ROP is yeevil onleee). The more they are invested in PSEC position the harder the cognitive dissonance will be and also the likely hood of them oscillating back and forth between PSEC and CG when these things happen.

pentaiah · Post by **pentaiah** » 16 Aug 2012 21:14

I wish some one mobilizes ex servicemen to track down that guy who was destroying amar jawan monument.

I would gladly contribute money towards to such sponsorship of tracking down that criminal and dealing with him to understand and remember that such acts have long term consequences. There certain red lines that need to be enforced period.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 16 Aug 2012 21:31

A while ago I posted the Islamic activation score card w.r.t %of Muslim population. Can someone post that link from religionofpeace.com/org?

The current fked up politics of UPA1 & 2 is leaving the states on their own making the islamists to handle one state at a time. Check where the current unrest is raising and % of muslim population.

mraghu · Post by **mraghu** » 16 Aug 2012 21:33

Some Kannada news channels are telecasting all the words that are being said by the NE folks, in which they were stating that Muslims are coming to get them after Eid

Is there any online copy of the MMS being circulated and also the posters that have been put in Hyd/Pune/Blr warning the NE folks ?

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 16 Aug 2012 21:34

How Pakistani site incited Muslims in India against northeasterners

http://www.niticentral.com/2012/08/how- ... india.html

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 16 Aug 2012 21:36

Sachin wrote:There is an exodus in Bangalore, and not riots. So what can Army do at the moment?

Whether exodus or riots, the perpetrators are able to meet their goal of ethnic cleansing. Can police forces stop this type of ethnic cleansing?

How many people in Karnataka police are of Northeast origin? Deploying NE origin units in the state, while recruiting some of those security guards as police personnel might restore confidence.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 16 Aug 2012 21:56

Kerala, West Bengal, Assam, Kashmir...Hindus are being encircled and being taken apart piece by piece. It's ok though, hindus sooner or later will be forced to mobilize against the islamists and their supporters. It will be interesting to see how the Christians respond. We can be awfully creative and wage concealed war too. During this process we will have to keep the international community out of india.

putnanja · Post by **putnanja** » 16 Aug 2012 22:21

mraghu wrote:Some Kannada news channels are telecasting all the words that are being said by the NE folks, in which they were stating that Muslims are coming to get them after Eid

Is there any online copy of the MMS being circulated and also the posters that have been put in Hyd/Pune/Blr warning the NE folks ?

Raghu, which channels are these? Just want to make sure I watch them

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 16 Aug 2012 22:31

Media trying to paint cause of ethnic cleansing as racism and blaming social media. Islamists will now be embolden to carry out similar campaigns in other states.

mraghu · Post by **mraghu** » 16 Aug 2012 22:36

Suvarana News and Janashri.

mraghu · Post by **mraghu** » 16 Aug 2012 22:39

After seeing the news and also talking to people on the street, it looks like Direct Action Day minus the killing. The amount of fear generated is very huge

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 16 Aug 2012 22:45

Ofcourse, if they push too hard at once hindus will wake up en masse and will be too hot to handle. It will have to be slow and steady. They want a couple easy victories in the beginning to boost muslim morale and shore up defeatism in the hindu.

mraghu · Post by **mraghu** » 16 Aug 2012 22:52

Samaya news ( Kannada ) is showing the SMS

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 16 Aug 2012 23:02

Rajdeep Sardesai tweet: Lock up Maulanas and VHP goons who spread hate in the same cell. They deserve each other. The nation deserves better. Gnight

Yaar what did we do to deserve such idiots.