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No way UPA-II will fall and mid-term polls will happen. Turns out nobody, incl the oppn, is ready fro mid-term polls. Heckj, even the left is scared of polls this time now that they have a real challenge up their backyard in WB. I'd go to the extent of saying the oppn will bail out the gubmint even if the gubmint wanted to fall for some reason.
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DMK and INC may find a way to patch up. Posturing and posturing is going on. UPA-2 will not fall due to any pullouts by coalition partners. It may only fall due to INC divisions which is also very remote. Yeah!! there could be change of PM at some point though.
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Congress will align post-elections with whoever gets a majority in TN. And they'll gladly tie up with them forgetting everything that has happened in the past, so long as the TN party gets central ministers and the centre keeps out of state politics. As simple as that. This has happened all along and I dont see this changing this time either.
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Prasad wrote:Congress will align post-elections with whoever gets a majority in TN. And they'll gladly tie up with them forgetting everything that has happened in the past, so long as the TN party gets central ministers and the centre keeps out of state politics. As simple as that. This has happened all along and I dont see this changing this time either.
This may be true when you have binary results like in the past. If AIADMK wins slightly, Congress can't leave DMK. DMK doesn't lose shirt as they will have enough strength to make noise in Assembly in case AIADMK goes after DMK post election win.

For DMK this is time for next generation. All the billboards in northern TN districts have Stalin prominently showed (with MK actually relegated to shadow of Stalin in many billboards). DMK losing by slight is actually good for them and it marks transition to MK's nextgen.
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^^^
If the contest is straight as being predicted it will be one side winning like an avalanche. If INC is alone then it could even be 220/242 for ADMK+. It may be like good olden days.
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Muppalla wrote:^^^
If the contest is straight as being predicted it will be one side winning like an avalanche. If INC is alone then it could even be 220/242 for ADMK+. It may be like good olden days.
ADMK+ is most favored as I talked to some people in TN.

DMK and INC can't go alone unless DMK is okay with rout. In such case INC will have even more dependency on DMK at Center. All the Naatak seems to be to push corruption on to INC at the Center and DMK as victim. "We ain't do it, They did it". INC loses relevance if it leaves DMK where as DMK can take loss after 8 years of ruling.
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for the situation in TN i think it is a strategic plan from INC. remember RG had told cong workers that this time it will be INC's gov in TN.
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Change in PM is something I am not sure if BJP or any other party wants based on whathas been going on for a while. They want to make max damage to congress keeping MMS in the center. People in india have a short memory, if MMS goes people will forgive and forget and that not what opposition wants. But lets see if BJP can make in happen
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residents of the socialist republic what are things VSA got it right and where did he go wrong ?
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suryag wrote:residents of the socialist republic what are things VSA got it right and where did he go wrong ?
Not the full laundry list.....

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1. A clean image, and considered to be non-corrupt.
2. His past tactics of moving around places, understanding the problems and highlighting them have made people like him. And that too even when he is 80+ in age.
3. His enthusiasm to go head strong against any of his opponents, even though at the end he may have backed out.
4. Also an image of a good person, who is surrounded by bad people so that he cannot do much.
5. Known for his principled stand when it comes to holding back to the land in Kerala, so that it does not get misused.

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1. Considered to be a communist dinosaur, who is not willing to move an inch from his understanding of communism.
2. Not a very likened chap amongst the other head-honchos of Kerala CPI(M), because of principled stands in many issue.
3. The Polit Bureau, Central commitee (and other tea shop commitees) of CPI(M) also may have their own axe to grind. VS generally does not mince words, and have also used every mechanism in the party to oppose his rivals.
4. As an opposition leader he had raised his voice against any and every thing. But a chief minister he has not able to make any headway in stopping the bad practises. VS's earlier promise of "hand cuffing rapists, and parading them on the streets" is yet to be seen on the ground, even after 5 years of his CM-ship.
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Sachin, Why is there such an anti-incumbancy in Kerala? All the surveys are pointing for a comfortable congress victory in Kerala.
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Tamil Nadu one of the biggest suppliers of trafficked women.

http://www.catwinternational.org/factbook/india.php
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Muppalla wrote:Sachin, Why is there such an anti-incumbancy in Kerala? All the surveys are pointing for a comfortable congress victory in Kerala.
I really dont have an answer :). Perhaps people expect one party to come to power and then do magic and solve every one's problems (the promises any way would be on those lines). Then folks wait for 5 years. They realise nothing has changed, and vote for the other party hoping that given a chance they would improve things. Off course, the people seems to believe in the power of democracy and vote (rather than saying this is all bull... and perhaps joining the naxals).
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One more nail in the Mahesh Bhatt wall, he is campaigning for the openly communal, demographically minded AIUDF of Baruddin Ajmal:
Sources told The Telegraph that besides Bollywood personalities like Raj Babbar and Mahesh Bhatt, who are already on the list of AIUDF campaigners, the party would try to rope in some more faces including veteran actors like Naseeruddin Shah and Farooq Sheikh from Mumbai.
http://telegraphindia.com/1110308/jsp/n ... 680545.jsp

One can see the demographic changes between the last elections and this in the candidate list from various constituencies that border Bangladesh. AGP list (or a part therof) has come out already.
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DMK and INC clinch seat sharing agreement with 63 seats to INC.
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^^^
This is how it starts.20% hike every electon and then you end up with nothing.Has any congress ally survived and flourished till today??
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Mean while in the socialist republic, the commies are back with their dance-drama. In the case of Com.VS they are yet to reach a decision. Will he be asked/permitted to contest elections again? VS as usual have put the ball on the court of other leaders, by saying that he will do what ever the party commands ;).

So CPI(M) central committee did not take a decision, and passed it onto CPI(M) state committee. They could not take a decision either. So now they plan to collect the feed back from the various District commitees and then take a final call. Look at the bureaucracy !!! It would leave any PSU/Govt. Dept. hang its head in shame :P. And this all happens when:-
1. Half the central committee folks are any way Mallus or Bengalis, and most of them would be in the state commitee.
2. This "bureaucratic" party has such a complex process, even when its existance is in some 2-3 states in India.
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kvraghav wrote:^^^
This is how it starts.20% hike every electon and then you end up with nothing.Has any congress ally survived and flourished till today??
If the DMK is smart and wants to have a future it needs to tell its party men in the 63 not to work towards a Congress victory and be willing to sit in opposition for 5 years. Contesting 121 seats they will end up with a coalation Govt. which will tarnish thier image totally
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^^^
Aditya, that is impossible. DMK+INC are not fighting with a predicted comfortable victory. After a longtime it is a straight contest in TN and AIDMK+ could win the polls. DMK has no room to play such spoilsport stuff.
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^^^

It is win for DMK. After some juggling they gave what Congress want and in return they got big from corruption share. 63 seats for Congress is joke as they lose mostly unless for Chidu-style wins.
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I thought MK's caveat was no specific seats in the 63. So most likely he will give unsafe seats (ADMK strongholds) to INC!
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ramana wrote:I thought MK's caveat was no specific seats in the 63. So most likely he will give unsafe seats (ADMK strongholds) to INC!
True but not all 63 will be definite losing seats. DMK will fight to win and rule the state. After spreading the share to several partners including INC, DMK will have to ensure its partners victories as well to rule again. It has to ensure that INC wins in atleast 20 to 25 of 63 seats to comeback to power again. There is no room for deliberately working against congress.

As I said it is a straight fight like the good olden days of TN election. A small fraction of percentage shift is all that is needed for the ruling party to lose.

The compromise between DMK and congress is not really that straight forward. Daal mae kuch kaala hai. It is just mindboggling to even speculate what may have happened.
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ramana wrote:I thought MK's caveat was no specific seats in the 63. So most likely he will give unsafe seats (ADMK strongholds) to INC!
weeklong hagglings are ahead for INC+DMK combine. Rumour is that INC is going to ask for specific seats which it thinks safe and may arm-twist DMK while DMK might try to salvage the situation. Smaller parties like PMK VCK would like to take all in their stronghold areas.
It is also understood that AIADMK is in somewhat better position as people are peeved over demarcation of TN on family lines North for Stalin and South for Alagiri and Kanimozhi a minor middle with major 2G money. Rumuour is also that KM and MK with K TV not to be touched. But how far such promises hold only time will tell as SC is monitoring CBI investigations.

Usually my political predictions are wrong . :)
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chaanakya wrote:Usually my political predictions are wrong . :)
All you need is a two doses of EVMfication with hmoney.
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RamaY wrote:
chaanakya wrote:Usually my political predictions are wrong . :)
All you need is a two doses of EVMfication with hmoney.
Need expert advice from Dr Hari Prasad.
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Muppalla wrote:True but not all 63 will be definite losing seats. DMK will fight to win and rule the state. After spreading the share to several partners including INC, DMK will have to ensure its partners victories as well to rule again. It has to ensure that INC wins in atleast 20 to 25 of 63 seats to comeback to power again. There is no room for deliberately working against congress.
This is absolutely right. In the past DMK workers have worked to keep the Congress in many contests. The Congress mostly lacks boots on the ground. Their youth leadership is non existent.

Around here DMK gives the rural seats to Congress keeping the cities for itself. This works for the Congress too, as there perceptions in rural areas is much better. The popular NREGA is counted as a Congress program.

The DMK+Congress+PMK has a track record of victory. Without a 'wave' election it will be a really tough battle to unseat them.

Remember folks, electioneering has barely begun. New programs/bribes for the voters not marketed yet. I'm hearing rumors that the DMK has a Rs2000 crore slush fund. Every seat costs about Rs10 crore in contributions right now.
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The general thought is Amma might win this time. But that is what people thought/expected last time too. Rahul seems to have captured lots of youth minds.

MuKa will meet Yama Dharma Raja very soon, so DMK is going to shatter anyway. It will become Amma vs Kannimozhi. For now it appears INC stands to gain - seats and image wise. Surprisingly scam after scam they continue to flourish. Kudos to them. Only INC and Pakistan can do what they continue to do for decades.
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ramana wrote:I thought MK's caveat was no specific seats in the 63. So most likely he will give unsafe seats (ADMK strongholds) to INC!
Interesting line of thought.
1. AIADMK wins most of those seats. DMK and its non-INC allies wins theirs seats sufficiently to stake a claim for government formation; but then is forced to depend on INC winning some seats to form the government.
2. AIADMK loses most of those seats. INC shares increase and DMK is forced to accept a domineering INC.

Both these scenarios are bad for DMK as it comes under the mercy of INC. That leaves out the 3rd option.
3. AIADMK wins most of those seats. INC, DMK and allies do not win and AIADMK forms the government.

Even the 3rd option is bad, because Amma is vengeance personified. So the 3rd option looks worse than the first two. So between the 1st and 2nd options, 1st looks better. So Muka will be praying both DMK and AIADMK win their seats but DMK wins more to form the government.
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Looks like INC has asked for share in Govt formation besides winnable seats. Last time it was denied. So either 2 or 3 seems more feasible. But I have not yet taken EVMification.
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Bihar 1st state to make officials' assets public

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Bihar has become the first in the country to make assets of government employees public by uploading the details of 80,000 officials on the government website, a step in line with Chief Minister Nitish Kumar's anti-corruption initiatives.

Ten days after majority of the 450,000 government officials, including Indian Administrative Service (IAS), Indian Police Service (IPS) and Bihar Public Service Commission (BPSC) officers in the state, submitted their assets' details to the state government as per an official directive, they were uploaded on the government official website late on Wednesday.

"As of now, details of the assets of nearly 80,000 government officials are available online, it is first of its kind in the country," Deepak Kumar, principal secretary of general administration department, told IANS.He said it will take a month's time to upload details of all the officials.

According to him, asset details of 190 IAS officers, 169 IPS officers, 29 Indian Forest officers, 2,800 BPSC officers and 350 Bihar Police Service officers are online.

"It is part of (Chief Minister) Nitish Kumar's initiatives to weed out corruption," an official in the chief minister's office said.

Soon after assuming office following a historic poll verdict last November, Nitish Kumar had announced that corruption will not be tolerated in the state.

Setting an example, the chief minister and his Cabinet colleagues had declared their assets on December 31, 2010. The details are posted on the state government's official website.

The state government in its circular earlier this year warned officials that their salaries would be withheld if they fail to furnish the details of their assets within the stipulated time frame.

Bihar is also working to confiscate the properties of corrupt officials and turn them into primary schools.

Moreover, the state cabinet Tuesday approved introduction of the much-publicised Right to Service Bill to check rampant corruption and red-tapism in Bihar.

The move is seen as Nitish Kumar's commitment to hasten the service delivery system like issuance of caste certificate to ration card holders, police verification report for passport and new electricity connection to new ration card holder within a stipulated time.

The proposed act is likely to come into effect by April this year, officials said.

Nitish Kumar said the motive behind the legislation was to help people in getting work done within a given timeframe.

During the election campaign last year, Nitish Kumar had promised voters that the corrupt will be sent to jail and their property seized if he gets to rule for five more years.
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chaanakya wrote:Looks like INC has asked for share in Govt formation besides winnable seats. Last time it was denied. So either 2 or 3 seems more feasible. But I have not yet taken EVMification.
Yup, they want a share of the loot. It seems the INC MLAs are disgruntled as they support DMK but enjoy no benefits of getting few Minister posts. IMO, that will weaken the DMK in the long run.
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IIRC, in a recent bypoll in the telengana region, the TRS went all out to have some 150 independents file nominations so as to eliminate EVMs from the picture (They couldn't handle that many candidates on the ballot).

The mistrust towards EVMs was clearly there. ANybody have any idea if any parties are going to try out that tactic this year in state bypolls? (Though, seems to me from data that ruling dispensation has avoided over-reach by not interfering in state polls. Only LS polls via EVMs seemed overly generous to the parties in power).
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^^^
I got a email from a friend of mine. As per Tamil daily Dinamlar, Jaya is seriously planning to put 64 candidates per seat.
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Also ground reports say DMK with less majority.
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Key to Yeddyurappa’s Survival
Let us consider the facts: The CM has been accused of allotting sites to his sons and other family members. Though there is nothing illegal in the allotments per se, it must be noted that the CM did not deny, nor did he try to cover up but went to the extent of ensuring that the beneficiaries surrender the favours. Incidentally, there is no legal bar against denotifications. In fairness to the CM, almost all his predecessors have indulged in allotment of sites, denotifications and other acts of nepotism and favouritism in the past. In fact, some of the past CMs—who are leading the oust of Yeddyurappa campaign—have been guilty of even worse scams and other irregularities.
Another most common grievance or criticism against Yeddyurappa is with regard to the menace of illegal mining. But here again, it is Yeddyurappa, who implemented some of the most tough and harsh steps to curb illegal mining and transportation besides imposing several other curbs.
It is always projected that he is with mining brothers and corrupt.
Even as he completed two years in office, he has earned the distinction of heading a state which is adjudged by the Congress-led UPA regime as the number two state in the implementation of the 20-point economic programme among all states, closely behind BJP-ruled Gujarat under the dynamic and illustrious leadership of Narendra Modi, who had completed 10 years of chief ministership. Not just that. The state has won several awards, laurels and accolades in different fields.
:eek: :eek:
Indeed, Yeddyurappa, who narrowly missed a simple majority in the state assembly and had to rely upon the support extended by independents to become CM, managed to secure a clear majority in the by-elections caused by the resignations of MLAs elected on Congress or JD(S) tickets to join and contest on BJP symbol under the widely criticised "Operation Lotus," which again is a legitimate political exercise practised by almost all political parties at the Centre and in the states, including Karnataka, in the past. The Congress did the same in Rajasthan, not long ago.
Looks like media witch hunt
Whether one likes Yeddyurappa’s style of functioning or not, there is no denying the fact that he is perhaps the most-travelled CM inside the state covering almost every district not once but several times. He is, perhaps, the only CM who spends 18 to 20 hours a day on work and has never taken a break except perhaps visiting temples and holy places.
shades of NaMo
Yeddyurappa regime’s performance, the impact of the developmental works and all the pro-people, farmer-friendly programmes and populist schemes and, of course, the disarray among the Opposition Congress and JD(S) were the main factors in BJP’s spectacular rise to the top.
Another key reason for Yeddyurappa’s growing popularity, almost to the point of invincibility, is his pull among the politically powerful and dominant Lingayat community,
This article is totally different from what is shown in general.
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^^^A NaMo-lite in the making? More power to sri Yeddy, I say.

Heck, anyone committed to winning popular support and acclaim on the basis of demonstrated governance track record, development programs, service delivery, administrative efficiency etc needs to be loudly and lavishly acclaimed, regardless of party politics by us upper middle class mangoes.

However, cannot but be noticed that most (if not almost all) such CMs seem to be coming from the NDA camp - Nitish in Bihar is another shining example. Have heard good reviews of SS Chauhan in MP and Raman Singh in CT besides.

More competition between states on the genuine development plank (as opposed to crass populism plank epitomised by the DMK types) is good for the country as a whole, clichéd though that may sound.
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Frankly, Yediyurappa cannot be compared to either N Modi or Nitish Kumar. The article gives a flattering account of Yeddy, but the reality is in between what MSM comes up with and this article.
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Coalition dharma at its brazen worst
Less than a month since Manmohan Singh justified the mollycoddling of scamster ministers in the name of “coalition compulsions”, Indians watched this week as “seat-sharing” talks ahead of elections in Chennai barely concealed the political adhesive of UPA-2: blackmail.
The 2G spectrum scam has led scamsters DMK and Congress to break their heads over resolving the sticky situation created by the mother of all thefts. With Assembly polls round the corner, the DMK is in a state of high anxiety, as unlike the Congress which has little by way of investment in the state, Tamil Nadu is the universe for Karunanidhi and his ilk. While the Congress could afford to occupy the moral high ground on the issue just because the investigating agencies are yet to knock on its doors, the DMK felt betrayed because it perceived its bigger ally had not done enough to save its leaders including the family members of supremo M Karunanidhi. With the Assembly election nearing, the Congress took full advantage of the issue and started squeezing the DMK to extract its own pound of flesh.The sudden increase of pace in the CBI’s probe, the sacking and subsequent arrest of Telecom Minister A Raja, and the anticipated interrogation of Karunanidhi’s daughter Kanimozhi and other women of the household put Karunanidhi on the back foot. The fact that he could not prevent the CBI from raiding his own TV channel’s office was weighing on his mind. This made him focus on the prevention of the interrogation of his wives and the possible arrest of his daughter, at least until the election.

Despite the Congress having an advantage over DMK as far as the 2G probe was concerned, Karuna played his cards quite well by threatening to withdraw from the Union government, thereby rocking the seven-year relationship which was mutually ‘beneficial’. Though bickering over seat-sharing was projected as the reason for the mess, the real cause was the failure of the two parties to arrive at an understanding over the 2G probe. This could be ascertained by two ‘giveaways’. The first was by Karunanidhi, through a statement that “hiccups” in seat-sharing was one of the reasons, and the other was by Pranab Mukherjee, who said, “We know how to create problems; we know how to solve them too.
So, the drama on seat sharing proceeded while the actual scenes happened behind the screens at the Capital. Reliable sources say that the DMK had categorically told the Congress leadership that it cannot claim a moral high ground on the spectrum scam and arm-twist the DMK because if the latter sank, it could pull down the grand old party with it. It was amusing to follow the mainstream media peddling the theory that that Sonia ‘slammed’ DMK leaders, or that Sonia ‘snubs’ Karuna and she upheld the ‘prestige of the Congress’. In reality nothing of the kind happened.
:lol:
Karunanidhi is at the fag end of his career. Since 1996 he has made it a point to cosy up to whichever party is in power in Delhi. But he was powerless to prevent the arrest of Raja or stop the CBI probe. As elections neared he developed cold feet, and reading his precarious situation, the Congress tightened its grip. The move by Jayalalithaa to offer her support to the Congress in the event of its dumping the DMK came in handy for Sonia Gandhi’s emissaries in Chennai.
But by midweek, the old warhorse finally prevailed over the Congress and saved the alliance. Reportedly, the Congress has agreed to slow down the investigations, delay the interrogation of Karuna’s family members and ensure that Kanimozhi is not harassed. After all, Sonia Gandhi has her own interests to safeguard. As a step in that direction, the DoT has sent a notice to the telecom companies who were beneficiaries of the scam, giving them a 60-day breathing space. Citing this and a few other ‘made-up’ reasons the CBI might pray for adjournments in the Supreme Court leading to the protection of the DMK first family.

For the Tamilian on the street, the dynamics of the political track are all too transparent. This is alliance politics in its most disgusting form. The ordinary party cadre has lost all respect for their leaders. Money power is set to overwhelm politics on an unprecedented scale. The aam admi is hoping that the Election Commission would be sincere and effective.
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Sachin Garu, I am interested in finding out how AKA did as CM of Kerala during the years 2001-2004. I found the following from chachaji
1. Called RSS a terrorist org (usual for every inc cm/pm)
2. Made a significant change in the KP by vesting the authority to transfer police officials in the DGP(very good)
3. Dont know about his handling of Marad massacre
4. Got land for tribals in muthanga(good ?)
5. Was involved in broiler scam (?)
6. GAIL investment of 10450 crores on green field LNG plants and petrochemical complex(good

I didnt find any significant development news or anything but no scams either except for (5). Most of the times he was handling infighting with Karunakaran threatening to split INC.
How was he as an administrator ?
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1. Called RSS a terrorist org (usual for every inc cm/pm)
AKA had also made another controversial statement. That organised minority religions have started misusing their extra privileges, so much so that the majority is now becoming in a disadvantageous position (Link).
2. Made a significant change in the KP by vesting the authority to transfer police officials in the DGP(very good)
Yes. Antony had given the police more freedom to operate. But during that time we also had two capable Directors General of Police Irumban K.J Joseph & P.K Hormese Tharakan (RAW vintage).(Link)
3. Dont know about his handling of Marad massacre
Not much information on this. But need to check up the entire history of the Marad riots (there were two major ones).
4. Got land for tribals in muthanga(good ?)
The tribals may have got land, but it was during A.K Antony's tenure that the tribals got a very bad round of thrashing by the police. Influenced by a few naxalite sympathisers, the tribals had forcibly occupied forest lands. The police was asked to evict the tribals, which led to a major clash. The tribals attacked the police men with crude weapons. One police man was hacked to death. After that the police fell heavily on the tribals. This was also show cased as a flaw in Antony's police policy (Link)
5. Was involved in broiler scam (?)
Not much information on this.
6. GAIL investment of 10450 crores on green field LNG plants and petrochemical complex(good)
Not much information on this.
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