J & K news and discussion

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 10 Oct 2008 22:02

I think gun barrel temperatures can go above many hundreds of degrees, which means that the cost will be due to the heat-insulating properties of the bullet jacket -- some kind of artificial polymer sounds like the kind of material with such properties. That kind of cost usually cannot come down by just cutting production costs most times, unless of course Dupont China produces that material just by chance.

JMT

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 10 Oct 2008 22:11

Rye,

Now Howzzat for a business idea?

Can be used well, if one wants to keep moving objects continuously targetted, which only come in the line of sight/fire for a short duration, like terrorists on the LoC, cars in a highway chase, innocent deer in the jungle, etc.

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 10 Oct 2008 22:25

Now Howzzat for a business idea?

Can be used well, if one wants to keep moving objects continuously targetted, which only come in the line of sight/fire for a short duration, like terrorists on the LoC, cars in a highway chase, innocent deer in the jungle, etc.

Saar,
It would need a bit of R&D though before it becomes a practical business idea, specifically to determine a cost-effective artificial material that will form a layer between two layers of metal to insulate the electronics, and to determine the trigger mechanism in the gun so that the force of expelling the bullet does not crush or burn all the hifi electronics inside.

JMT

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 10 Oct 2008 22:31

That sounds so Rodney McKay, but in the end it all works out!

Jokes apart, I appreciate your insight into the problematics.

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 10 Oct 2008 22:33

RajeshA wrote:

That sounds so Rodney McKay, but in the end it all works out!

Jokes apart, I appreciate your insight into the problematics.

Thanks. But RM's capabilities are something else (man just works with a PC and breaks into alien systems) -- glad to see a Stargate Atlantis fan in these parts

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 10 Oct 2008 22:35

http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/sep/02guest.htm?zcc=rl

Look at this Hindoooo, how dare he adopt a mocking tone for the poor downtrodden Kashmiris?

vsudhir · Post by **vsudhir** » 10 Oct 2008 22:40

Rye wrote:RajeshA wrote:
That sounds so Rodney McKay, but in the end it all works out!

Jokes apart, I appreciate your insight into the problematics.
Thanks. But RM's capabilities are something else (man just works with a PC and breaks into alien systems) -- glad to see a Stargate Atlantis fan in these parts

Meredith Rodney Mckay, if I'm not mistaken...

But FWIW, I believe the LoC has been mined with Israeli sensors in the sensitive sectors...

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 10 Oct 2008 22:46

vsudhir wrote:Meredith Rodney Mckay, if I'm not mistaken...

Why, you been dating his sister or what?

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 11 Oct 2008 00:26

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/no-pr ... ../371461/

No proof that slain militants are from Kerala.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 11 Oct 2008 00:53

Rye wrote:RajeshA wrote:
That sounds so Rodney McKay, but in the end it all works out!

Jokes apart, I appreciate your insight into the problematics.
Thanks. But RM's capabilities are something else (man just works with a PC and breaks into alien systems) -- glad to see a Stargate Atlantis fan in these parts

We need to make deal with gentle Wrathes and provide them with feeding grounds in Bakiland .

Arun_S · Post by **Arun_S** » 11 Oct 2008 01:51

RajeshA wrote:
Rye wrote:Problem is that the GPS circuits will be fried by the time the bullet leaves the barrel -- not very cost-effective also, I think.
How about getting them made in China then??

IMHO a more simple, robust and cheaper cheaper business idea is to use a laser beam riding bullet just like the old SAM-2 missile. The laser beam is used for aiming and ranging, the same beam can see used by a simple IR element to measure diviation from laser path and correct it. No processor needed. And this will easily take 1000 G.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 11 Oct 2008 01:59

Arun_S wrote:
RajeshA wrote: How about getting them made in China then??
IMHO a more simple, robust and cheaper cheaper business idea is to use a laser beam riding bullet just like the old SAM-2 missile. The laser beam is used for aiming and ranging, the same beam can see used by a simple IR element to measure diviation from laser path and correct it. No processor needed. And this will easily take 1000 G.

Arun, that was just toying around with the idea, that you shoot a terrorist in the butt, and then when he crawls back into his cave to report to his boss crying and yelping, the security forces have his exact location and can nab him, his boss, his cousin-wife, and his goats.

Avinash R · Post by **Avinash R** » 11 Oct 2008 08:35

JeM chief killed in encounter in J&K
NDTV Correspondent
Thursday, October 09, 2008, (Jammu)

In a major success, a top Jaish-e-Mohammad (JeM) militant was among two ultras killed by the Army on Thursday in a fierce gunbattle in Baramulla district of Jammu and Kashmir.

The JeM's "operational chief" 'Pasha' and another unidentified militant was killed in a joint operation by 22 Rashtriya Rifles (RR) and Special Operation group (SOG) in Warpora area of Sopore tehsil, a senior Army official said.

The operation was launched after receiving intelligence inputs about the presence of militants, he said, adding the ultras fired on the search parties, sparking the gunbattle.

The operation is still on, the official said adding that "this is major setback to JeM and success to Army and police."

Top LeT commander killed in encounter in J&K
10 Oct 2008, 1806 hrs IST,PTI

SRINAGAR: A top Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) commander was on Friday killed in an encounter with security forces in Pulwama district of Jammu and Kashmir, official sources said here.

Lashkar commander Moeen was killed following a gunbattle with police assisted by paramilitary forces in Khillar village of Pulwama district, the sources said.

They said the operation was going on and the security forces suspect two to three more militants might be hiding in the area.

Moeen was active in the south Kashmir area for quite sometime and was wanted in many militancy-related incidents, including killing of two CRPF personnel in an attack in Pulwama town earlier this year.

sum · Post by **sum** » 11 Oct 2008 10:36

Rye wrote:http://www.indianexpress.com/news/no-pr ... ../371461/

No proof that slain militants are from Kerala.

Just a simple cover-up by the administration to ensure that already angry public do not get further infuriated by the news of outside the state faithfuls supporting Pak...

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 11 Oct 2008 11:00

Lalmohan wrote:cell phones on their own are sufficient to determine position with 'sufficient' accuracy as long as there is a network... just look at google maps

There is no or vrey little cellphone network in most of J&K. Also with uneven terrain as this, I have doubts if tracking by cellphones or "GPS bullets" can be effective. Fancy tech as this works well only in movies or Asian Sky Shop commercials

Regarding Malyalee mujahids being dispatched in Kashmir:

http://www.thehindu.com/2008/10/10/stor ... 851400.htm

Terror trail links Kerala with Kashmir

Praveen Swami

Men shot dead in Lolab among dozens who have trained with Lashkar-e-Taiba since 2001

NEW DELHI: Investigators believe two Kerala men shot dead near the Line of Control in northern Jammu and Kashmir earlier this week were on their way to a Lashkar-e-Taiba-run training camp in Pakistan.

Little headway has so far been made towards identifying the two killed men, but circumstantial evidence — including a forged election identification card and handwritten religious texts in Malayalam — suggests they were indeed from Kerala.

Based on reports from informants, the Jammu and Kashmir police believe the killed men were part of a group of at least five men from Kerala’s Malappuram district who had been holed out with a Lashkar unit in the Lolab mountains this past month, waiting for an opportunity to cross the LoC safely.

According to the police’s informants, the five men were part of a larger group of 15 which included Pakistanis and ethnic Kashmiris. While the five Kerala men hoped to cross the LoC to train at Lashkar-run camps in Pakistan, the other 10 were returning at the end of tours of duty in Jammu and Kashmir.

vavinash · Post by **vavinash** » 11 Oct 2008 11:10

I am not surprised. Malapuram is filled with anti national muslims. Would be a good idea for army to deploy a few battalions there. Intelligence agencies refer to it as pakistan of the south.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 11 Oct 2008 19:35

Reporting on MMS's statement in J&K, DDM headine says:

Kashmir is our integral part

But MMS's actual statement is no nationalist sentiment, rather more brotherly towards TSP and its fascist proxies

We cannot change the borders, we can make them irrelevant

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 11 Oct 2008 19:38

CRamS, So what's your point? What do you think the PM should have said? Never mind, I am sure you will whine no matter what he says.

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 11 Oct 2008 20:12

Simply,
Kashmir including Pok is part of India - Is that too much to ask for a PM?
thanks,
fanne

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 11 Oct 2008 20:21

Rye wrote:CRamS, So what's your point? What do you think the PM should have said? Never mind, I am sure you will whine no matter what he says.

My point was more on the DDM headline. Did it refelct MMS's statement? As for PM's statement, what stops him from categorically stating that J&K is an integral part of India explicitly. This has been India's policy for decades has it not?

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 11 Oct 2008 20:32

Rye:

This is from the Economist. MMS's ambiguous stance on Kashmir has resulted in the following thought gaining currency:

In India, it is becoming less taboo for commentators in the mainstream press to voice support for Kashmiri independence.

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 11 Oct 2008 20:36

I doubt if MMS had anything to do with economist having that POV.

Neshant · Post by **Neshant** » 11 Oct 2008 23:09

> JeM chief killed in encounter in J&K

close encounters of the 3rd kind.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 11 Oct 2008 23:40

Neshant wrote:> JeM chief killed in encounter in J&K

close encounters of the 3rd kind.

3rd Kind?

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 11 Oct 2008 23:43

@Jamwal

I presume, just a word game.

Close Encounters of the Third Kind

sum · Post by **sum** » 12 Oct 2008 14:12

Link

2 more jihadists from Kerala killed

Praveen Swami & G. Anand

Investigators say men could be linked to Indian Mujahideen

NEW DELHI / THIRUVANANTHAPURAM: Police in three states are investigating the prospect that a group of south Indian jihadists killed in Jammu and Kashmir could be linked to the Indian Mujahideen’s nationwide terror offensive.

Early on Saturday, an Army patrol on the remote high-altitude forests of Lolab shot dead two members of a five-member jihadist cell. Jammu and Kashmir Police investigators believe that the men were part of a group of Kerala residents preparing to cross the Line of Control to train at a Lashkar-e-Taiba facility in Pakistan. Police and Army personnel had shot dead two other members of the jihadist cell on October 7.

A fifth member of the cell, whose presence in the Lolab area was reported by a police informant earlier this month, is still believed to be alive.

Army sources told The Hindu that several fragments of evidence linking the two men killed on Saturday to Kerala and Karnataka had been found among their belongings.

One of the men, the sources said, carried a medical prescription issued by the outpatient department of an indigenous medicine clinic for a 19-year-old Kerala woman, identified in the document by the single name Hazra. The prescription was issued on September 10, suggesting the south Indian jihadists left for Jammu and Kashmir after this date.

The men also carried stubs of Karnataka State Road Transport Corporation bus tickets, with markings indicating they had travelled from or to a location near Coimbatore in Tamil Nadu. Investigators hope the ticket stubs will lead to the identification of the group’s point of origin, and the date of their travel.

Finally, the sources said, an election identification card issued to a Perumbavoor Assembly constituency resident named Revi Kurien was also found among the killed men’s personal effects. Police had recovered voter identification card CK 1220797, from the jihadists killed on October 7.

Kerala investigators have determined that the card had been issued in February, 2001 to Shakir Ahmad, a Parapappnamgadi resident who lived abroad for most of the past two decades.

Mr. Ahmad, who now lives in his home town, is not known to have had contact with Islamist terror groups. However, there is no official word so far on how his identification card was found on the body of an individual killed in combat with Indian troops in Jammu and Kashmir.

Karnataka Police sources said they were exploring the possibility that the men killed in Lolab could be linked to a still-unidentified module of the Indian Mujahideen, which is thought to have manufactured the bombs used for the Islamist terror groups attacks.

Based on the interrogation of suspects held in Ahmedabad, Mumbai and New Delhi, police believe that the bomb components were manufactured in a facility near Mangalore.

Now, the emerging evidence of links between the Kerala jihadists and the Lashkar has raised the prospect that the infrastructure for the Mangalore facility was provided by the Pakistan-based terror group.

Investigators say it is possible that the Lashkar’s north Kashmir operations chief, a shadowy figure who uses the code-name Abu Moosa, could have acted as the liaison between the terror groups Pakistan-based leadership and Indian Mujahideen commanders.

Investigations of the December, 2007, synchronised bombing of trial court buildings at Lucknow, Faizabad and Varanasithe operation conducted by jihadists using the Indian Mujahideen flag had thrown up evidence of links between the attacks and Jammu and Kashmir-based terror groups.

Police in Uttar Pradesh allege that Jaunpur-based Mohammad Khalid Mujahid and Tariq Kazmi, used explosives provided by Jammu and Kashmir Harkat ul-Jihad-e-Islami commander Bashir Mir to execute the bombings. Mir was killed in a January, 2008, encounter with police and troops near Doda, in the Jammu region.

So,now we have four mallu muslims hallaled, CNN-IBN and Times now denials notwithstanding!!!

sum · Post by **sum** » 12 Oct 2008 14:13

Link

Complete shutdown in Kashmir Valley

Shujaat Bukhari

SRINAGAR: The Kashmir Valley on Saturday observed a complete shutdown in protest against Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s visit to the State. The call for the strike was given by the Hurriyat-sponsored Co-ordination Committee.

Shops, business establishments, banks, government offices and educational institutions remained closed. Transport was off the roads and only police and paramilitary forces were seen on the streets.

Reports from major towns suggested that the strike was complete.

At many places people took to the streets protesting against the killing of two youths in Srinagar downtown on Friday. The Central Reserve Police Force had opened fire on demonstrators in the Nowhatta area when they were protesting against Dr. Singh’s visit to the Valley and shouting anti-India slogans.

The authorities on Saturday imposed an “undeclared curfew” in the areas under the Nowhatta, Safakadal, Khanyar and Karan Nagar police stations and restricted the movement of the people. “Not a single person was allowed to move out and it is curfew here,” a resident told The Hindu over telephone from Nowhatta.

However, the police denied that curfew was imposed but said orders under Section 144 of the Cr. PC had been enforced strictly to prevent assembly of more than five people.

A police spokesman said the situation remained peaceful throughout the day.

Meanwhile, the Hurriyat Conference has rejected the Prime Minister’s offer of talks and said Kashmir “cannot be bought by trains and developmental projects.”

“The development has nothing to do with the aspirations of the people,” said a Hurriyat spokesman.

These guys seem beyond redemption...

enqyoob · Post by **enqyoob** » 12 Oct 2008 16:40

The train is an excellent step, hoping that it can be kept safe....

A chair car express connecting Srinagar, Anantnag etc. is quite an extraordinary leap towards opening up J&K and reducing dependence on the mule trains, guides and convoys through narrow village roads filled with terrorists. The stations look spacious and modern, and very nicely done. The train's engine is very very pretty. So it makes the key points in J&K accessible in a day trip. Fantastic step towards bringing in commuter and business traffic from India.
The men with flak jackets, helmets and automatic rifles posted on the platform tell the other side of the story.

Avinash R · Post by **Avinash R** » 13 Oct 2008 14:37

Lashkar militant killed in Poonch
Jammu | Sunday, Oct 12 2008 IST

A militant of Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT) outfit was gunned down in an encounter with the security forces in Poonch district of Jammu and Kashmir, official sources here today said.

LeT militant was killed in an encounter on intervening night of October 11 and 12 at Sangote in Sabra area, sources told UNI.

However, security forces recovered one AK 47 rifle, three UBGL, four AK 47 magazines (two damaged), 104 rounds of AK ammunition, three UBGL grenades (one destroyed), one hand grenade, one radio set, a pouch, a bag, a water bottle (damaged), one Shawl, one Jersey, two pair of socks and one diary from the encounter site, they said.

Heroin worth Rs 5 cr seized in Doda
Jammu | Monday, Oct 13 2008 IST

Jammu and Kashmir police arrested a narcotics smuggler and recovered heroin worth Rs 5 crore from his possession in Doda district.

A special nakka was laid down by the police last evening on specific information at Dandi Bypass in Bhaderwah town following reports of narcotics smuggling, sources told UNI.

However, smuggler identified as Mohd Shaff, resident of Chanyas was arrested on the spot and two packets of heroin each weighing 700 grams were recovered from his possession, they said.

The valued amount of the seized contraband was estimated more than Rs 5 crore in the international market sources said, adding that a case has been registered against him under NDPS Act.

Avinash R · Post by **Avinash R** » 13 Oct 2008 19:36

Two Al-Badr militants arrested in J&K

Srinagar, Oct 12: Two top militants of Pakistan-backed Al-Badr militant outfit were on Sunday arrested from Kupwara district of Jammu and Kashmir, a police spokesman said.

Acting on a tip off, police assisted by security forces nabbed two Pakistan nationals during a search and cordon operation from Chak-e-Singhpora in Handwara town, 90 kms from here today, the spokesman said.

He identified the arrested militants as Abu Vikas and Abu Maaz of Pakistan.

The duo are affiliated to Al-Badr militant outfit and were wanted in a number of subversive activities, the spokesman said.

sum · Post by **sum** » 13 Oct 2008 19:38

Abu Vikas

vavinash · Post by **vavinash** » 13 Oct 2008 20:23

Why arrest them? India can afford to spend a couple of bullets. Let them bleed to death in the middle of the market place.

Avinash R · Post by **Avinash R** » 13 Oct 2008 20:28

sum wrote:
Abu Vikas

that must be a mistake. another report mentions the names as nissar and imtiyaz. also note the difference in spelling the area (Chak-e-Singhpora in the previous ones and Check-Sanzipora in the latter).

2 militants nabbed in J-K
Two militants, Nissar Ahmad Thoker and Imtiyaz Ahmad Dar of Pakistan-based Al-Badr outfit, were arrested by a joint search operation by police and Rashtriya Rifles in the periphery of village Check-Sanzipora in Kupwara district of Kashmir on Sunday, reports PTI from Srinagar.

sum · Post by **sum** » 14 Oct 2008 08:53

vavinash wrote:Why arrest them? India can afford to spend a couple of bullets. Let them bleed to death in the middle of the market place.

I think that they will find their unmarked grave after all the juice has been extracted from them....

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 16 Oct 2008 07:07

Fifth surgery for Geelani

Avinash R · Post by **Avinash R** » 17 Oct 2008 16:10

Militant killed in Kupwara
Friday, October 17, 2008 15:53 [IST]

Srinagar: An unidentified militant was killed during an operation by security forces to flush out hiding ultras in Kupwara district of Jammu and Kashmir today.

Police assisted by Rashtriya Rifles launched a search operation at Shumriyal in Sogam area of north Kashmir's Kupwara district, a police spokesman said. A gunbattle with militants erupted during the operation in which one unidentified ultra was killed, he said.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 19 Oct 2008 18:53

What about delimitation?

EC announces seven-phased assembly polls in J-K

Resolving differences within, the Election Commission today announced a seven-phased election in Jammu and Kashmir beginning November 17 till December 24, saying it has taken a "risk" on the issue of participation of political parties in the exercise.

Announcing the poll schedule, Chief Election Commissioner N Gopalaswami said that the snow-bound Leh and Kargil regions would go polls in the initial two phases.

The polling for the 87-member assembly will be held on November 17, 23, 30, December 7, 13, 17 and 24. Counting of votes will take place on December 28.

Against the backdrop of parties and outfits in the Kashmir Valley expressing themselves against polls at this juncture, the CEC said the Commission has taken a "risk".

This was in apparent reference to political parties in Kashmir like the PDP which said no to polls and another mainstream party, National Conference (NC) which gave its nod after having voiced initial reservation.

On the issue of lack of consensus among the political parties, he said "first you need to ask if political parties are ready. We are not conducting election in a vacuum. To start with there were one no, one yes and one yes-no. After that one no became one yes. So we have two yes and we have taken a risk".

To another question whether there was a difference of opinion among the three Commission members on holding polls to the assembly with 87 seats, the CEC said "various issues need to be considered. So each one presents his views which he considers the best. There are three Election Commissioners and at least there may be three opinions".

sum · Post by **sum** » 19 Oct 2008 21:19

What about delimitation?

Dont think that J&K is covered under the delimitation thing due to Article 370...maybe, the state govt has to clear it before the centre can even think of acting...

Am i right on this(cause this is my theory)?

satya · Post by **satya** » 19 Oct 2008 21:30

Good Timing for Assembly Elections in J&K in Nov - Dec period . Delimitation can wait another term for time being election on schedule is what we need . PDP will have to participate in all likelihood ( it cant be another APHC for it knows its base will be finished in 5 yrs ) so turnout in Valley might not be that bad , at worse we can expect past turnout with NC & Congress in contention.

sum · Post by **sum** » 20 Oct 2008 09:29

Link

India orders deportation of Hurriyat chief’s wife

By Jawed Naqvi

NEW DELHI, Oct 18: The Indian government has told the wife of Mirwaiz Umar Farooq, head of Kashmir’s All Parties Hurriyat Conference, to leave the country immediately as the visa on her American passport has expired and it will not be renewed, he said on Saturday.

The Mirwaiz told Dawn from Srinagar that the Srinagar High Court had put the order on hold after the family told the court that there was neither a legal basis nor a moral ground for the Indian move.

It was six years ago that the Mirwaiz married US-born Sheeba Masoodi, whose parents are Kashmiri state subjects. The couple have lived in Srinagar with the help of a long-term multi-entry visa she was given.

“You are hereby directed to leave India within 10 days from the receipt of this notice, failing which action under law shall be initiated,” Srinagar’s Foreigners Registration Office said in a notice issued to her on Oct 4.

Ms Masoodi’s last Indian visa expired on Aug 9, right when unprecedented turmoil was raging in the valley. The Mirwaiz, who has been under house arrest a few times in this period, said the move against his wife was part of India’s intimidation tactics to deter him from leading anti-Delhi protests.

Guess Farooq has really rubbed the govt the wrong way...

Firstly a arrest for the first time in 18 yrs and now this...