The Trash Thread in the Trash Can (Use 4545 to Merge Posts)

ASPuar · Post by **ASPuar** » 12 Mar 2010 11:47

A FERVENT APPEAL TO MODS:

This thread is HARMING BR, and should be SHUT DOWN.

Moderators/webmasters, please look at the thread objectively. Everyone here is speculating in a vacuum. There is little information on what is going on behind the scenes, and the "Armoured Vehicles" thread is entirely consumed only by largely EMOTIONAL and SPECULATIVE flame baiting on the subject of ONE PROJECT ALONE!,

We are treated to ad hominem citing of dubious and incomplete information on both sides, and repeated slandering of the Army. We are told "So and so told me", "I heard such and such".

Again and again we are treated to media reports for and against. The same media which doesnt know the difference between an anti tank missile and a shot put, and will believe and repeat what they are told, are now treated as credible sources for debate.

Repeatedly, we are subjected to views like "THE ARMY DOESNT KNOW WHAT IT WANTS", etc etc ad hominem.

To say that, is tantamount to saying that the army is led by idiots.

And this, is patently not true.

So I think everyone should calm down. You feel bad about the project having problems, so do I. But that doesnt mean that we should lose the forest for the trees. The Army is more important to the survival of this nation than any one project.

And BR is more important than any one topic, which has festered over FORTY SEVEN pages of discussion, and will NEVER come to any conclusion, because WE DONT KNOW WHAT IS HAPPENING BEHIND THE SCENES, AND ARE TEARING EACH OTHER APART IN A FRENZY OF EMOTIONAL ARGUMENTS WITHOUT FACTS!

This thread has no logical conclusion, except being an arena for people butting heads against each other, over and over and over again. Please shut it down, and ban this topic for at least a few weeks. The atmosphere is growing vitiated and intolerable.

Vivek K · Post by **Vivek K** » 12 Mar 2010 12:20

I was going to post a reply but it is a waste of time. Fact after fact has been rolled out, yet ......

Kanson · Post by **Kanson** » 12 Mar 2010 12:24

ASPuar wrote:Everyone here is speculating in a vacuum. There is little information on what is going on behind the scenes, and the "Armoured Vehicles" thread is entirely consumed only by largely EMOTIONAL and SPECULATIVE flame baiting on the subject of ONE PROJECT ALONE!,

How is that everone speculating in vacuum ? atleast speaking for myself, enough reports are cited and facts are stated. Prove that these facts are false and then make claim that everyone is speculating in the vacuum.

We are treated to ad hominem citing of dubious and incomplete information on both sides, and repeated slandering of the Army. We are told "So and so told me", "I heard such and such".

You mean parliamentary report is dubious ? CAG report is dubious ? If you feel that the infomration is incomplete pls help in adding useful information.
And lastly, how is that closing the thread makes the fact straight. If you really like to project the correct information you can only do that by participating in this thread..pls do that if you feel so.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 12 Mar 2010 12:31

ASPuar sahab, much as I respect your views, kindly do not give moderation advices on the threads. reporting is the way to go and it should be restricted to that.
and no, a thread should not be closed down just because we don't agree with the views expressed therein, that's called thought policing. if you think a viewpoint is wrong, then the correct option is to rebut it, point by point.

just on another note, IA's acquisition policy does look very muddled, I am not sure how one can think the planning side of things is well executed after the multiple fiascoes in virtually every department, starting from armour and artillery to air defence systems and small arms.
at any rate, it is not blasphemous as such as is being alleged.
the inept decision making is hurting the army MUCH more than this thread ever will.

manjgu · Post by **manjgu** » 12 Mar 2010 13:02

when the thread starts resembling the 'blind men of hindoostan' ( and the elephant) then its time for a thread to be closed.

Rahul, I wonder how we will ever lay our fingers on the truth and conclude on the real cause, problem.

ASPuar · Post by **ASPuar** » 12 Mar 2010 13:16

RahulM,

Much as I respect you as a moderator, I am afraid that I dont understand the unusually confrontational stance which you have taken. I am not giving "moderation advice", and nor was I addressing you particularly.

I feel that I have contributed in my years at BR to the best of my abilities, and I have gained a lot, and shared a lot, and seen a lot on this forum.

So, I have made known my sincere views on the usefulness of this thread as a member of long standing of this forum (longer even, forgive me, than yourself, Rahul), and I see nothing wrong in expressing them. If in doing so you feel that I have violated any particular forum policies, please inform me by PM/warn me/ban me.

However, do not try to publicly snub me just because the views I have expressed are not aligned with your own. That is not acceptable.

I cannot PM you, and since you have publicly reprimanded me, let my response, and my disappointment be made public as well.

I do not want this thread shut down because I dont agree with the views herein. I have suggested that this thread be shut down because the discussion is incapable of being resolved, and because a lot of sound and fury is being thrown up and causing animosity between forum members.

Further, please also do not misquote me. I have not suggested that this thread is hurting the army. I have suggested that it is hurting BR itself by causing an unending argument on a matter which will not be resolved anytime soon.

Incidentally, I did report posts which I feel are offensive, without being based on fact. No action seems to have been taken on them.

Sincerely,
ASP

Tushar · Post by **Tushar** » 14 Mar 2010 05:13

Taiwan has never been any sort of threat to mainland China, and neither did they ever or ever will employ any strategic leverage over the PRC. The United States is just impregnating these false inclinations into the minds of the thoughtless readers and watchers around the world that China is some sort of a threat. The Chinese know very well that the United States would send its economy back to the 18th century if war was to break out between the two. I admire the level of composure from the Chinese, epecially when the United States tries to meddle in almost every Chinese affair. From Japan, to Taiwan, the American propaganda is working overtime to malign the Chinese.

Tushar · Post by **Tushar** » 14 Mar 2010 05:25

VinodTK wrote:Russia to make 200 stealth fighter jets for India

Russia will build more than 1,000 stealth fighter jets within four decades, including at least 200 for its traditional weapons buyer India, the head of plane maker Sukhoi said on Friday.

Hello Gentleman,

This is my second post on the site, and I have been following the forums intently for over 2 year now.

I would like to say, the rubbish sources such as Ibnlive, and other generic indian news sites seem to lack authenticity. Therefore relying on them for a composed and sane assumption would be a waste. Anyways, from the article, I can derive that countries such as Vietnam and Libya have shown interest in the product, and therefore can be future customers. This seems very odd, since the Viet airforce and Libyan airforce are some of the most rubbish airforces in the world. They cannot even maintain their soviet era aircrafts yet want to invest in jets which will cost well over $100 million a piece and not even at flyaway costs. I think the journalist or the representative are a little hyperactive and are just giving a false promotion to the product in development.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 14 Mar 2010 07:17

Tushar wrote:Taiwan has never been any sort of threat to mainland China, and neither did they ever or ever will employ any strategic leverage over the PRC. The United States is just impregnating these false inclinations into the minds of the thoughtless readers and watchers around the world that China is some sort of a threat. The Chinese know very well that the United States would send its economy back to the 18th century if war was to break out between the two. I admire the level of composure from the Chinese, epecially when the United States tries to meddle in almost every Chinese affair. From Japan, to Taiwan, the American propaganda is working overtime to malign the Chinese.

Completely agree with you. Infact the propaganda is so effective that 99% of chinese also believe in that and build million plus savage armies, start shooting sattillites, popup in between US AC armada, impose draconian rules in Tibet, and point thousands of missiles at Thailand. ONLY selective senior party members see this duplicity and are agonized that the stupid world doesn't see the FREE Thaiwan, Tibet, and Xinang for what they truly are.

Nikhil T · Post by **Nikhil T** » 14 Mar 2010 07:32

Tushar wrote: I admire the level of composure from the Chinese, epecially when the United States tries to meddle in almost every Chinese affair.From Japan, to Taiwan, the American propaganda is working overtime to malign the Chinese.

Tushar Jee , Chinese don't let their own newspapers criticize their own Govt. (yesterday's incident is a pointer), they don't let their own citizens speak out in the streets (Tibet protests), don't let their own netizens to access non-Chinese Govt friendly websites (Google incident), and then take exception whenever the world opines about China!! So, who is spreading the propaganda ?

If Taiwan has one of the world's tiniest air forces, China - the world's 3rd largest. So what's "propaganda" if Taiwan says they don't have an edge in the Air Force ?

Tushar · Post by **Tushar** » 14 Mar 2010 07:35

RamaY wrote:
Tushar wrote:Taiwan has never been any sort of threat to mainland China, and neither did they ever or ever will employ any strategic leverage over the PRC. The United States is just impregnating these false inclinations into the minds of the thoughtless readers and watchers around the world that China is some sort of a threat. The Chinese know very well that the United States would send its economy back to the 18th century if war was to break out between the two. I admire the level of composure from the Chinese, epecially when the United States tries to meddle in almost every Chinese affair. From Japan, to Taiwan, the American propaganda is working overtime to malign the Chinese.
Completely agree with you. Infact the propaganda is so effective that 99% of chinese also believe in that and build million plus savage armies, start shooting sattillites, popup in between US AC armada, impose draconian rules in Tibet, and point thousands of missiles at Thailand. ONLY selective senior party members see this duplicity and are agonized that the stupid world doesn't see the FREE Thaiwan, Tibet, and Xinang for what they truly are.

Im pretty sure you are confused. The 1000s of Missiles are not pointed at Thailand, but Taiwan. Secondly, the activities in Tibet, and in Xinhang province are Chinas own internal matter. Tommorow if Nagaland wanted to seperate from India, even though India doesn't have any commerical, Industrial or even Political interests or control in Nagaland, would'nt we go and occupy them by force. Same applies to China with Tibet.

Also the falacy of U.S propaganda is inherent as it slaps the face of Indians daily, yet we don't understand. The arms supply to Pakistan even though maybe done with approval from India, shows the mentality of the Americans. Now lets put mexico in the same situation with the U.S as Pakistan is with India. The Indians supply the Mexicans with weapons and machinary to fight the Global war on Drugs, knowing damn well those weapons will not be used to fight the Cartels, but in war against the U.S. How would the U.S react. They would melt India off the face of this planet if their Demands were not met. Yet the Indians lack the developed Spinal cord and choose to be cowards.

Tushar · Post by **Tushar** » 14 Mar 2010 07:42

Nikhil T wrote:
Tushar wrote: I admire the level of composure from the Chinese, epecially when the United States tries to meddle in almost every Chinese affair.From Japan, to Taiwan, the American propaganda is working overtime to malign the Chinese.
Tushar Jee , Chinese don't let their own newspapers criticize their own Govt. (yesterday's incident is a pointer), they don't let their own citizens speak out in the streets (Tibet protests), don't let their own netizens to access non-Chinese Govt friendly websites (Google incident), and then take exception whenever the world opines about China!! So, who is spreading the propaganda ?

If Taiwan has one of the world's tiniest air forces, China - the world's 3rd largest. So what's "propaganda" if Taiwan says they don't have an edge in the Air Force ?

Nikhil, I think you are just blatently promoting an anti-Chinese atmosphere. The Indians can learn from the Chinese. The Chinese solved there seperatist problems in the Xinhang province and Tibet in a matter of years. But India has been raped and stuck in Kashmir for the last 70 Years. Instead of lifting the ban on immigration to Kashmir from the rest of India and integrating the homogenous population of India to kashmir, which will inherently cut the voices of the seperatists and make them a miniority in Kashmir. The Indian government keeps by its words to the Mahraja and doesn'ts let any outsider sttle in Kashmir.

The Chinese emplyed this format in Xinhang and the ethnic Uigars were made into a miniroty in their own region in a matter of years. With that came the lack of political influence and the Hans commited rule in the region. But Indians are too stupid, since they rather cry and moan when ever Hollbrooke or Miliband mentions Kashmir

kit · Post by **kit** » 14 Mar 2010 09:27

I think the retirement age for politicians should be put at 65.Time India has a younger leadership .Just look at our political leadership.Old politicians might be what makes India weak .

Srivastav · Post by **Srivastav** » 14 Mar 2010 09:52

Tushar wrote: But Indians are too stupid, since they rather cry and moan when ever Hollbrooke or Miliband mentions Kashmir

Isn't this ironic that you just called yourself stupid, Or are you not Indian. On the other hand if you are not Indian then i can definitely understand your above posts.

Tushar · Post by **Tushar** » 14 Mar 2010 09:54

Why should you have fear of promoting Zaid Hamids videos. There are more Hindu and Sikh fanatics in India than all of Pakistan combined. The Indian general media and public should post more of Zaid Hamid and Hamid Guls videos and literature. It will only ignite the fire in the Indians to wage war of any sort and bring Pakistan to its neez on ever forumn, and it could be at the U.N, or in the Thar Desert.

You might think my talk is illogical and that Indians are cowards, which I agree with myself, since out of the 1.1 Billion Indians, 80 % are definately born without Spines, but the remaining 20% are more than enough to take care of the rest of the worlds problems. If just a handfull of Nazis and Japs were enough to cause fear in 90% of the worlds population, Im pretty sure Indians are no less. Just remmember the times my grandfather use to tell me that when the war started with India and Pakistan in 1965, almost every Indian male became an informant and chose to enlist at his nearest compound for either active duty. And my Grandfather was just an average man from a village in Batala. My grandfather was a great man, and his legacy is carried on in the family that came from his blood. And Just imagine, how many people need this fire ignited in India to wake up to the reality that surrounds them. I was one of them, and once I realized this fact, my admiration for the Indian people and its army was basically elevated to another level.

Tushar · Post by **Tushar** » 14 Mar 2010 10:02

I havent been Indian since birth. I was moved to the United Arab Emirates from year 1 of my life, and gradually as my intellect gained momentum, I reached the U.S., Ive been here since, and have lived in this country for over 14 years.

Regardless of your petty comment on irony, which only forces the conversation to go in a direction that will not generate any brain cells, I do think you should understand that a learned person can step aside and has full situational awareness of his surroundings regardless of his location. So, it doesn't matter if im an Indian living in India or the U.S, my logic inclines me to criticize any and everything.

archan · Post by **archan** » 14 Mar 2010 10:13

Tushar wrote:There are more Hindu and Sikh fanatics in India than all of Pakistan combined.

I am wondering if this is a simple case of not knowing how to use a certain word (fanatic) or you actually know what you are saying here. If it is the latter, would you care to qualify how/where did you get this divine knowledge?

Tushar · Post by **Tushar** » 14 Mar 2010 10:55

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Sid · Post by **Sid** » 14 Mar 2010 11:09

Tushar wrote:I havent been Indian since birth. I was moved to the United Arab Emirates from year 1 of my life, and gradually as my intellect gained momentum, I reached the U.S., Ive been here since, and have lived in this country for over 14 years.

Regardless of your petty comment on irony, which only forces the conversation to go in a direction that will not generate any brain cells, I do think you should understand that a learned person can step aside and has full situational awareness of his surroundings regardless of his location. So, it doesn't matter if im an Indian living in India or the U.S, my logic inclines me to criticize any and everything.

Tusar, China is not a simple neighbor to live with. Its bullying India on border issues for the past 60 years and have territorial claims too.

If we leave all matters to your innocent China then it will gobble up eastern India and half of its neighbors without even a burp. Its relentless support to TSP and other anti-India agencies is also well known.

Simply put if your neighbor is more powerful then you can only expect pity from him, not respect. China too has a well maintained propaganda machine which it puts into action.

We know its all propaganda but it depends on your caliber how you filter black or white from gray.

Tushar · Post by **Tushar** » 14 Mar 2010 11:19

Sid wrote:
Tushar wrote:I havent been Indian since birth. I was moved to the United Arab Emirates from year 1 of my life, and gradually as my intellect gained momentum, I reached the U.S., Ive been here since, and have lived in this country for over 14 years.

Regardless of your petty comment on irony, which only forces the conversation to go in a direction that will not generate any brain cells, I do think you should understand that a learned person can step aside and has full situational awareness of his surroundings regardless of his location. So, it doesn't matter if im an Indian living in India or the U.S, my logic inclines me to criticize any and everything.
Tusar, China is not a simple neighbor to live with. Its bullying India on border issues for the past 60 years and have territorial claims too.

If we leave all matters to your innocent China then it will gobble up eastern India and half of its neighbors without even a burp. Its relentless support to TSP and other anti-India agencies is also well known.

Simply put if your neighbor is more powerful then you can only expect pity from him, not respect.

Sid I would like to let you in on a little secret, and that is my name is not Tusar but Tushar.

Also would you clarify on what TSP means.

China will not take any territory from India, and neither does it need more territory. These few border problems are about more than just land. The Chinese would rather go after more resource rich neighbours of it like Burma, or even weak neighbours like Mongolia and Vietnam. This Chinese agression has deeper implications than a just a few news reports. Back channel diplomacy is out of the hands of the common public. These acuastions are also based from Indian media reports, which by far is the worst garbage i've ever come across. Their excess knowledge with un-named sources can only be used for amusement, but anything further is just rubbish. Take my advice, and don't try and rationalize everything you read on the internet or watch on the news. It will just waist your precious energy, which can be used for more productive means.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 14 Mar 2010 11:22

Tushar wrote: Im pretty sure you are confused. The 1000s of Missiles are not pointed at Thailand, but Taiwan. Secondly, the activities in Tibet, and in Xinhang province are Chinas own internal matter. Tommorow if Nagaland wanted to seperate from India, even though India doesn't have any commerical, Industrial or even Political interests or control in Nagaland, would'nt we go and occupy them by force. Same applies to China with Tibet.

Also the falacy of U.S propaganda is inherent as it slaps the face of Indians daily, yet we don't understand. The arms supply to Pakistan even though maybe done with approval from India, shows the mentality of the Americans. Now lets put mexico in the same situation with the U.S as Pakistan is with India. The Indians supply the Mexicans with weapons and machinary to fight the Global war on Drugs, knowing damn well those weapons will not be used to fight the Cartels, but in war against the U.S. How would the U.S react. They would melt India off the face of this planet if their Demands were not met. Yet the Indians lack the developed Spinal cord and choose to be cowards.

For starters , Cuba??? or may be 7th fleet, any memory of that??

Srivastav · Post by **Srivastav** » 14 Mar 2010 11:24

Tushar wrote:I havent been Indian since birth. I was moved to the United Arab Emirates from year 1 of my life, and gradually as my intellect gained momentum, I reached the U.S., Ive been here since, and have lived in this country for over 14 years.

Regardless of your petty comment on irony, which only forces the conversation to go in a direction that will not generate any brain cells, I do think you should understand that a learned person can step aside and has full situational awareness of his surroundings regardless of his location. So, it doesn't matter if im an Indian living in India or the U.S, my logic inclines me to criticize any and everything.

To you my comment seems petty but your post reeks of someone who thinks they know everything because they have the so called "situational awareness".
A situationally aware person wont paint every indian with the same color and call them all stupid. Yes, we have every kind of person but calling all indian stupid shows the pettiness of your thought process or the myopic view point you have regarding indians or indian issues.

Anyways this is my last post regarding this because this will lead to nothing but wastage of precious bandwidth.

Sid · Post by **Sid** » 14 Mar 2010 11:32

Tushar wrote: Sid I would like to let you in on a little secret, and that is my name is not Tusar but Tushar.

Also would you clarify on what TSP means.

China will not take any territory from India, and neither does it need more territory. These few border problems are about more than just land. The Chinese would rather go after more resource rich neighbours of it like Burma, or even weak neighbours like Mongolia and Vietnam. This Chinese agression has deeper implications than a just a few news reports. Back channel diplomacy is out of the hands of the common public. These acuastions are also based from Indian media reports, which by far is the worst garbage i've ever come across. Their excess knowledge with un-named sources can only be used for amusement, but anything further is just rubbish. Take my advice, and don't try and rationalize everything you read on the internet or watch on the news. It will just waist your precious energy, which can be used for more productive means.

I hope you can see paradox in your own reply, Tushar. Accusing India, Indians and everything wont help you in proving China as fairy land.

I suggest stop visiting China internet/propaganda websites and start visiting Indian/US propaganda websites

Tushar · Post by **Tushar** » 14 Mar 2010 11:34

Srivastav wrote:
Tushar wrote:I havent been Indian since birth. I was moved to the United Arab Emirates from year 1 of my life, and gradually as my intellect gained momentum, I reached the U.S., Ive been here since, and have lived in this country for over 14 years.

Regardless of your petty comment on irony, which only forces the conversation to go in a direction that will not generate any brain cells, I do think you should understand that a learned person can step aside and has full situational awareness of his surroundings regardless of his location. So, it doesn't matter if im an Indian living in India or the U.S, my logic inclines me to criticize any and everything.
To you my comment seems petty but your post reeks of someone who thinks they know everything because they have the so called "situational awareness".
A situationally aware person wont paint every indian with the same color and call them all stupid. Yes, we have every kind of person but calling all indian stupid shows the pettiness of your thought process or the myopic view point you have regarding indians or indian issues.

Anyways this is my last post regarding this because this wont lead to nothing but wastage of precious bandwidth.

Its a smart choice, since you will not only waste the bandwidth, but your analyzing skills which will ultimately lower your personal credibility.

If you read the last line of my post regarding the stupid Indians, you will have to use the analytical side of your brain instead of the creative side, to realize my post is not painting all Indians as stupid. Its people who have any power to in government and media. The common Indian can barely provide for himself let alone determine or even influence internal affairs. But hay, just to clarify, I don't tend to speak out of my rear on issues. Its usually pretty calculated from my part. But if the readers lack common sense or critical reasoning for absorbtion of my points, then I can't do anything. Just like in your case.

Carl_T · Post by **Carl_T** » 14 Mar 2010 11:36

Tushar wrote:
If you read the last line of my post regarding the stupid Indians, you will have to use the analytical side of your brain instead of the creative side, to realize my post is not painting all Indians as stupid. Its people who have any power to in government and media. The common Indian can barely provide for himself let alone determine or even influence internal affairs. But hay, just to clarify, I don't tend to speak out of my rear on issues. Its usually pretty calculated from my part. But if the readers lack common sense or critical reasoning for absorbtion of my points, then I can't do anything. Just like in your case.

Chill dude, and go visit the US/Indian propaganda sites like Sid said. Or if the Indian ones are "stupid" then you can go visit the Taiwanese/Tibetan/Uighur/Japanese websites too.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 14 Mar 2010 11:41

Tushar wrote: But hay, just to clarify, I don't tend to speak out of my rear on issues. Its usually pretty calculated from my part.

well , then don't make it a rule. occasionally used , it reduces pressure due to indigestion.

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 14 Mar 2010 12:41

Tushar wrote: blah blah blah..

If you can answer all these, Im pretty sure anyone else who was born after partition should have a brain cell that contains this information. I'm pretty sure its not rocket science to know this in a country that has been born and raised only on bollywood and war.

is that your pov about India?

Srivastav · Post by **Srivastav** » 14 Mar 2010 14:16

tushar, thanks for teaching me the new ways of debating an issue. From next time onwards whenever i cant come up with anything sensible, i will just try to undermine my opponent intelligence.
After all its almost worthwhile to hide ones ignorance behind words like "critical reasoning" than come up with something substantial.

Samay · Post by **Samay** » 14 Mar 2010 14:34

tushar ji,are you living in India at present?
your question is illogic , that loiters around due to misinformation created with the help of pseudo-Indians, better you read other brf thread like strategic and general discussion(specially distorted history and psy-ops thread) to clarify your doubts.

those who burn houses and kill innocents during violence on the streets and on the meantime create misinformation and chaos ,are of the same breed that was used by brits during and before 1947,they do not belong to any religion/political group,etc, . , until now none of these were supported by the GoI,.
but in pakistan everything is opposite , jahil hamid is an isi man, .
In India certain things are not supported to that extent,but often neglected to create a political issue.

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 14 Mar 2010 15:17

Guys, please give Tushar a break, he is not the average semi literate internet Hindu who comes here for his daily kicks and claims that India will kick ass etc etc.
Don't pounce on him like a pack of dogs and don't troll him out of this website. From what I can see, most of those pouncing on him are newbies trying to make their mark by getting into a "mine is bigger than yours" kind of argument. If you disagree with him, make your point of view known by making cogent posts, use your creative side and try to get your point across to him, don't just be jealous of someone who has better analytical skills than you and is not afraid to say it in an open forum.
From his above posts, I can make out that he has vast experience and deep insight into issues pertaining to back channel diplomacy and does not make unsubstantiated statements out of his rear, did you guys ever think why China is behaving in a certain way and raking up border issues against a big( albeit spine-less) nation like ours while it can easily walk into Burma and Vietnam(like they did in 1978 and taught the Vietnamese a lesson) if all they were interested in was "land"
Guys I think we must give Tushar space to say what he has to say and for once stop demonising China which is a peaceful nation and whose destiny is closely related to ours. Most western nations don't want peace between India and China for they fear what would happen in both these nations formed an alliance to end western domination.
Ah I see, Archan has pounced on him in the feedback dhaaga, Archan must rein in his fan boys before we use another intelligent contributer like the Sukhoi lady

Samay · Post by **Samay** » 14 Mar 2010 17:55

If you read the last line of my post regarding the stupid Indians, you will have to use the analytical side of your brain instead of the creative side, to realize my post is not painting all Indians as stupid. Its people who have any power to in government and media

Bro,you forgot to tell which side of the brain is analytical,and which side is creative ,left or right ??

I am asking this because I cant find the analytical and creative side of my brain,. and on the other hand everyone here seems deaf and dumb to me,except you

Btw , which side of our brain do we store information then ,?Kindly tell us ..

China will not take any territory from India, and neither does it need more territory. These few border problems are about more than just land. The Chinese would rather go after more resource rich neighbours of it like Burma, or even weak neighbours like Mongolia and Vietnam.

could not understand your view on that, If china is not going to take Indian resources,then why it is going to snatch it from burma, . Is there any difference between Indian ore and burmese ore ?

and neither does it need more territory.

I had a similar dream last night

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 14 Mar 2010 19:26

IMO, Sri Tushar could well be a reincarnation of Sri Prasanth, perhaps?

IIRC, Sri Prashant was this Beijingo CPC drone that assumed a desi name, tom-tommed desi patriotic credentials whilst dissing eveything desi and praising evelything prc to the moon and back.

Sri RahulM then figured out the Beijingo's IP was suspect and clamped down on that mischief. Anyway, case closed. Why waste b/w on suvch beepals?

Guddu · Post by **Guddu** » 14 Mar 2010 20:06

Mahendra wrote:Guys, please give Tushar a break, he is not the average semi literate internet Hindu who comes here for his daily kicks and claims that India will kick ass etc etc.
Don't pounce on him like a pack of dogs and don't troll him out of this website. From what I can see, most of those pouncing on him are newbies trying to make their mark by getting into a "mine is bigger than yours" kind of argument. If you disagree with him, make your point of view known by making cogent posts, use your creative side and try to get your point across to him, don't just be jealous of someone who has better analytical skills than you and is not afraid to say it in an open forum.
From his above posts, I can make out that he has vast experience and deep insight into issues pertaining to back channel diplomacy and does not make unsubstantiated statements out of his rear, did you guys ever think why China is behaving in a certain way and raking up border issues against a big( albeit spine-less) nation like ours while it can easily walk into Burma and Vietnam(like they did in 1978 and taught the Vietnamese a lesson) if all they were interested in was "land"
Guys I think we must give Tushar space to say what he has to say and for once stop demonising China which is a peaceful nation and whose destiny is closely related to ours. Most western nations don't want peace between India and China for they fear what would happen in both these nations formed an alliance to end western domination.
Ah I see, Archan has pounced on him in the feedback dhaaga, Archan must rein in his fan boys before we use another intelligent contributer like the Sukhoi lady

hear, hear...

Nayak · Post by **Nayak** » 14 Mar 2010 20:36

I for one welcome our new Cheeni masters. Maybe I can get melanin directly laced on to my milk, rather than import it.

archan · Post by **archan** » 14 Mar 2010 21:17

Tushar jee,
There seems to be a disconnect, I am sure there are people in Bharat that can be labeled as "fanatic" in most people's dictionary. A certain Raj thackrey qualifies in my dictionary. However, what I asked was - what did you base your statement that "there are more fanatics in Bharat tan inentire Pakistan".
Q1: Have you counted the total number of fanatics in Pakistan?
Q2 Have you counted the total number of fanatics in Bharat?
Q3: If the answer to the above is yes, then how many are there, pliss?

Your statement:

If you can answer all these, Im pretty sure anyone else who was born after partition should have a brain cell that contains this information.

did not made any sense. In case you don't know, from time to time we do warn people for not making sense on BRF. So I would advise you to make sense all the time.

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 14 Mar 2010 21:27

You might think my talk is illogical and that Indians are cowards, which I agree with myself, since out of the 1.1 Billion Indians, 80 % are definately born without Spines

Tushar · Post by **Tushar** » 14 Mar 2010 21:38

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Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 14 Mar 2010 21:49

Size difference is 7 times larger for India

It naturally means from my perspective that if 50 Million Pakistanis hate Indians and want their destruction, that atleast 350 Million Indians are feeling the same way against Pakistan.

Wonderful anal-ysis

, that surely must have involved a lot of higher thinking and critical analysis

So everything in India is 7 times greater than Paa'istan

Now, if average Pee-Pee size in Paa'istan is 5.5 inches, will the average pee-pee size in India become 37.5 inches hain?

Tushar · Post by **Tushar** » 14 Mar 2010 21:59

Samay wrote:
If you read the last line of my post regarding the stupid Indians, you will have to use the analytical side of your brain instead of the creative side, to realize my post is not painting all Indians as stupid. Its people who have any power to in government and media
Bro,you forgot to tell which side of the brain is analytical,and which side is creative ,left or right ??
I am asking this because I cant find the analytical and creative side of my brain,. and on the other hand everyone here seems deaf and dumb to me,except you

Btw , which side of our brain do we store information then ,?Kindly tell us ..
China will not take any territory from India, and neither does it need more territory. These few border problems are about more than just land. The Chinese would rather go after more resource rich neighbours of it like Burma, or even weak neighbours like Mongolia and Vietnam.
could not understand your view on that, If china is not going to take Indian resources,then why it is going to snatch it from burma, . Is there any difference between Indian ore and burmese ore ?
and neither does it need more territory.
I had a similar dream last night

I think you should invest in a highschool education if you aren't able to figure out which side pertains to which charactertistics.

Hari Seldon wrote:IMO, Sri Tushar could well be a reincarnation of Sri Prasanth, perhaps?

IIRC, Sri Prashant was this Beijingo CPC drone that assumed a desi name, tom-tommed desi patriotic credentials whilst dissing eveything desi and praising evelything prc to the moon and back.

Sri RahulM then figured out the Beijingo's IP was suspect and clamped down on that mischief. Anyway, case closed. Why waste b/w on suvch beepals?

Thanks for another retarded post, which only shows your attention deficit hyperactive disorder to me and other members on this forumn. You couldn't give me a rebuttal to my statements, so you choose to throw in some old event which will only degrade this forumn for other readers, and engage them im senseless blabber. Good job.

Also to clarify your post on the Chinese having some claim over Indian ore and snatching Burmese ore ! There is no snatching going on, and the Chinese only exploit resources of countries which can't rebuke them. Burma, Mongolia and Russia are paid to extract and ship resources to China. They neither have any outstanding land disputes on actually territorial integrity. With exception to the Yellow Sea which every country from Vietnam to Malaysia are claiming stake on.

But thats another matter.

Tushar · Post by **Tushar** » 14 Mar 2010 22:07

Marten wrote:Tushalji has great analytical skills indeed and one would not be surprised if he has years of experience dealing with the benevolent Chinese. All reports that emanate out of Tibet and that other province (am sure Tushalji would know the right name) are patently false. Monks are anyways not to be trusted. China has never annexed land (Tibet is an aberration) or invaded lesser countries (Vietnam, Korea were of course not Chinese aggressive acts but those of the Yangees!) One is appalled at the lack of support for Tushalji in this forum, or indeed the rest of the world.

China is indeed a peaceful country and not the fascist monster the entire world makes of it. The propaganda is alarming indeed. Where do so many countries get off by claiming China oppresses people and popular opinion? People are indeed flee in China and elections are held every 5 years. Evely leadel is a populal leadel and a peopre's leplesentative.

Tushalji, thank you for your time and incisive opinion. My grandfather was also a great man, but the one lesson he gave us was "Do what you can for the country, and stop blaming others for not doing what you can do, all by yourself." He was obviously no JFK or even your esteemed self. Perhaps we will move to China later this decade.

The rest of you postors here, shame on you - please learn from this gentleman who has an irrefutable upper hand in these matters and probably a PhD in Strategy Matters!

Very very nice post Marten. You should open your eyes and see my name is not Tushal, but Tushar. If you really can't correct something which is so minute, you definately shouldn't be commenting on issues from around the world, let alone India.

But your post does show your mentality. You think just because the Chinese opress their people, they are bad people right? The Indians don't opress the majority of the their public, yet 800 Million Indians live on pennies and surivive on 1 meal a day.

Forget about China, look at the crimes commited in India daily. Atleast in China, people are fed a minimum of 2 meals a day including all school children. I bet if you ask the poor beggar in India what would he rather have, freedom or food. He would choose the latter(food).

Don't try and focus too much on Chinese opression also, since I bet you many events in India happen right under the public eye which are comparable to China in Tibet.