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Jhujar wrote:Why not name and honour Delhi rape victim? Shashi Tharoor tweets

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 844967.cms

Tharoor, the minister of state for human resources development, also said the revised anti-rape legislation should be named after the victim if her parents do not have any objection."Wondering what interest is served by continuing anonymity of #DelhGangRape victim. Why not name&honour her as a real person w/own identity?" he asked on micro-blogging site Twitter."Unless her parents object, she should be honoured&the revised anti-rape law named after her. She was a human being w/a name,not just a symbol," Tharoor, who is known for speaking his mind, said.Under the law, the identity of a rape victim cannot be disclosed and printing or publishing the name or any matter which may make known the identity of any person against whom rape is committed is an offence under section 228-A of Indian Penal Code.

Naming anti-rape law after girl will be an honour: Family
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 853591.cms

Asked about the financial assistance of Rs 20 lakh announced by the Uttar Pradesh government and assistance of Rs 15 lakh and job announced by Delhi government, the brother said though announcements have been made, they are yet to receive the assistance.

SaiK wrote:What if the juvenile's documents were fake to give the correct age? It appears from the description of events, he was the most active assaulter and rapist. There was a report from UCLA research that students were able to find age via DNA /saliva test - Not sure about the study and practice however. The point is, he should be tried like a normal criminal.

---> Soon, this thread will become outdated... and we will ask which rape?
yesterday: 17-year-old raped by two in Delhi on December 31 night /ToIlet.

shiv wrote:

chaanakya wrote: Shiv garu, I have that query for you. Can uterus be really taken out in that manner described in some reports?? Can you confirm?

I did not read the reports but I read about some of the internal injuries and that a rod was pushed into the vagina. The uterus is connected to the outside by a tube called the vagina. That tube can be punctured by any sharp object. If you shove a metal rod up a vagina one can cause a horrific injury where the vagina gets internally ripped and detaches the uterus which can conceivably lie detached and free inside the abdominal cavity along with much bleeding. But what lies in there are intestines and their blood vessels which are even more delicate and can easily be ripped. Injury to the blood supply of the intestine could be the possible reason why the girl was left with dead intestines - most of which had to be removed leaving her in a state where she had only a few inches of intestine left. This condition has a very poor chance of survival - but it is not zero. Hence the talk of intestinal transplant. Infection sets in when the intestines are torn and hence the girl had infection. Shock, infection and multiple organ failure is the usual mode of death after such horrific injuries.

None of the rapists must be spared and they must not be killed. They must be made to suffer.

Let me add a pisko aside. When I joined medical college, all of us, fresh out of school, were thrown into a room full of preserved dead bodies which we later dissected. One classmate of mine, a minor (we were all under 18 then) used a dissection instrument to explore the vagina of one of the dead bodies. Needless to say, all that happened was that the instrument tore through the vagina and caused a puncture that was visible months later when we dissected and saw what was inside.

The point I want to make is that young people are curious about sexual organs and if you hide the idea of sex and suppress it, suppress talk of sex, cover up women, segregate men and women - you are only promoting curiosity to the extent that men will use their physical superiority to satisfy their curiosity and lust.

So much for burqas, hijabs and stopping girls from wearing skirts to school.

IndraD wrote:I am an ICU doctor in UK.
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Did safdarjung mess up her treatment?

IndraD wrote:^^ No disrespect sir . We treat severe sepsis + MOF on daily basis and young patients with healthy physiology often have better chance.
Complications like thrombotic stroke are unusal in such patients , It is my personal feel she could have save initially. Even cardiac arrest is preceded by days of severe sepsis and MOF and not so quick in young patients.

Yes I agree we do not have access to medical notes. Singapore bulletin does mention about brain damage which was absolute contraindication to organ transplant.

IndraD wrote:^^ No disrespect sir . We treat severe sepsis + MOF on daily basis and young patients with healthy physiology often have better chance.
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Lalmohan wrote:i dont think that we should take DDM's descriptions for the poor young woman's suffering as being accurate - both before and after her ordeal. what matters most is that here was a vicious violent attack of the worst kind and the perpetrators have to be tried as soon as possible. More importantly, we all collectively need to look at the way indian society is evolving and what can be done better - across all aspects

Sushupti wrote:Justice Katju reduced punishment of gangrape (2 crimes, rape=7 yrs + gangrape=10 yrs) convicted to 3 yrs for 1.5 lakh!

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/sc-le ... im/753416/

S wrote:the honey singh thing is akin to the khan question of gangsta rappers making guns and treating women as 'hoes' look cool.
he certainly did not start the rape thing and is just cashing in on a general trend in society to make such things look cool. it better popular figures like him do not send out the wrong message, people might just take it literally.

bollywood has been demeaning women for decades now, but in a more subtle less in your face manner. how many times has the hero kidnapped the heroine, threatened to rape her and then let her go .... I seem to recall atleast one amir khan movie. bollywood hypocrites holding candles can clean their own house first.

N wrote: Evil Inside

Yet, out of 1.2 billion people there was only one moron who chose to vent his anger and venom at Hindu religion. Mahesh Bhatt of Bollywood chose to abuse Hindus and Hinduism by asking to shut down temples and worship of female Goddesses. A man who can be called a third-rate hypocrite for being involved in semi-***** movies in Bollywood and portrays women as sex objects talking morally about rape is even comical. Imagine, in the US with such a high rate of rapes people aren’t calling to pull down churches or images of Mother Mary.

Muppalla wrote:

Lalmohan wrote:
"Evolving" and "across all aspects" are the key words. Both should be taken into consideration for solutions. Cursing ones own past (good and bad parts) and blind imitation of some other country/culture with undue haste is a sure shot path towards disaster.

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According to the chargesheet, the juvenile had subjected the 23-year-old physiotherapist to sexual abuse twice,once when she was unconscious. He extracted her intestine with his bare hands and suggested she be thrown off the moving vehicle devoid of her clothes, it says.
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"Of all the persons in the bus, two had engaged in the most barbarism — Ram Singh, the main accused in the case, and the juvenile," said an officer.

"Both of them had subjected her to sexual abuse twice. Singh was the first to rape her followed by the juvenile and then Akshay. Later, when she lost consciousness, Singh and the juvenile raped her a second time."
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Shonu wrote: What say?

Shonu wrote:

SaiK wrote:What if the juvenile's documents were fake to give the correct age? It appears from the description of events, he was the most active assaulter and rapist. There was a report from UCLA research that students were able to find age via DNA /saliva test - Not sure about the study and practice however. The point is, he should be tried like a normal criminal.

---> Soon, this thread will become outdated... and we will ask which rape?
yesterday: 17-year-old raped by two in Delhi on December 31 night /ToIlet.

I was thinking of starting a thread that keeps track of every rape published.. It would serve 2 purposes. To get an idea ofthe number of rapes and if there are people browsing, it will keep the whole violence against women theme alive. In some ways, better than the protests, sicne those eventually fizzle out. What say?

rgsrini wrote:Do we have provision in IPC to try juvenile as an adult. This is a fit case for that. I hope he suffers in the hands of the law, or suffer street justice, if he is left out by the law. This monster has no place in our society.

ramana wrote:During Mrs Prathiba Patil's tenure as President a large number of rapists(>5) were granted commutation or pardons from death sentences confrimed by the Supreme Court.

So how was that done and who in Home Minstry tendered the advise to commute the death sentences? Who was the Home Minster in that period? What does he have to say for the larger message it sends to the criminals?

...Says a report in India Today: “No President in India’s history has used the power to pardon death row inmates as President Patil. She has granted a record of 30 pardons in the last 28 months, over 90 percent of India’s total death sentences pardoned ever. But 22 of those relate to brutal multiple murders and gruesome crimes on children, the worst of what human beings can do to one another.”

One of those pardoned, Sushil Murmu, beheaded a child and even his own brother for ritual sacrifices. Another, like Shobhit Chamar killed all male members in a family and two children, and then apparently celebrated the crime.

The big question is this: why?

What was the need to rush into so many pardons in the second half of your term when in the first half you did nothing?

The answer has to be sought in events that happened in 2008-09-10, when the BJP started raising questions about the delay in hanging Afzal Guru, who was convicted for the 2001 attack on parliament, and especially after the 26/11 terrorist attack in Mumbai.

The issue was further politicised last year and this year, when Tamil Nadu, Punjab and Jammu & Kashmir politicians wanted their own favourite death row prisoners shown clemency: people convicted for the killing of Rajiv Gandhi (Murugan, Santhan and Perarivalan), former Punjab CM Beant Singh (Balwant Singh Rajoana), and the parliament attack (Afzal Guru).

Matters came to a head again in 2010, when new Home Minister P Chidambaram disclosed that he was awaiting the Delhi government’s recommendations on Afzal Guru – apparently 16 reminders had been sent but Chief Minister Sheila Dixit was unresponsive (Read here). She cleared the hanging just days after this matter became public.

This is the political context in which Pratibha Patil’s death commutation spree should be seen. A weakened UPA government may be in no mood to carry out any of these politically-sensitive executions, however warranted they may be.

So let’s be clear: this is not Pratibha Patil’s work. This is the central government’s. Under article 72 of the constitution, the president has absolute power to grant any kind of pardon or clemency to any convicted person. But this can be done only on the advice of the government and the home ministry.

So, in a more fundamental sense, these are as much UPA’s clemencies as Patil’s. This is what leads us to the question of whether the government is trying to speed up clemencies in order to do the same for the more politically-loaded death sentences.

If this is the right interpretation of President Patil’s actions, it would be a tragedy, for it would prove once again that under political pressure, the government will pardon anybody – from rapists to killers to terrorists or assassins.

It would be comforting to believe that India is moving towards a more humane crime and punishment system, but this would be a wrong assessment for the simple reason that the country has done nothing about the tribulations of undertrials, living conditions in jails, or any such thing.

The courts, if anything, has only added to the confusion. Last year, the Madras High Court stayed the execution of Santhan, Murugan and Perarivalan (who were convicted in the Rajiv Gandhi assassination case) due to the enormous delays in carrying out their hangings. Their death penalties were confirmed 12 years ago, and this fact alone establishes a strong case for clemency.

In a previous judgment, the Supreme Court has said that clemency pleas should be disposed of within three months of a death penalty being confirmed. Failing this, it would amount to mental cruelty to the condemned person and his or her relatives.

As Firstpost noted at that time, there is no reason to keep delaying the execution of death sentences. And no need to use delays as a reason for clemency either.

First, the main issue is not about whether the death penalty is a good thing or not. It is about the failure of the executive to do its job. Both the NDA and UPA governments have been sitting on mercy petitions for years for lack of political courage. Pratibha Patil may be clearing these cases now with a vengeance, but all reprieve petitions are going only one way: towards commutation.

Second, the argument that it is cruelty to keep a prisoner on death row for so long is only partially valid. It may be true that the convicts suffered mentally. Their families certainly must have suffered from not knowing whether their convicted relatives (son, brother, father) would be reprieved or not.

But what about the lack of closure for the victims’ families? In the case of the three convicted in the Rajiv Gandhi case, we are not talking about his family alone – but those of the 17 others killed with him in that suicide-blast at Sriperambudur in 1991. Why is the agony of a killer’s relatives presumed to be greater than that of the families of the people they killed? If delay in carrying out a death sentence is agony for the former, it is doubly so for the victims.

Third, the ban-the-death-penalty-wallahs seem to wake up only when someone is actually on the threshold of a hanging. This is opportunism of a different kind. One need not doubt their sincerity, but trotting out the same old arguments against death penalty just when justice is at the point of being done is simply not on.

The time to campaign against the death penalty is when nothing is at stake. By raising the hopes of relatives and encouraging politicians to ride piggy-back on their genuine concerns, they too have become a party to prolonging the agony of the condemned. The campaign against the death penalty can – and should – be ratcheted up once the current backlog of executions is completed, so that it can be held in a less charged atmosphere.

But even here, things are not black and white. The proponents of the death penalty favour it for two reasons: one is that it serves as a deterrent. The other is that it is a form of punishment, or retribution, for a grave wrong done to someone or some people.

The opponents call capital punishment a form of “judicial murder” that is not civilised. It must be abolished in all cases. Certainly, there is some weight to this argument, too.

The middle position is that since death is awarded only in the rarest of rare cases, there is nothing wrong with the occasional death penalty. We can live with this “uncivilised” law since it is used only rarely.

A fourth idea to consider is who should be involved in the mercy petition. Currently, it is the home ministry that processes them. But what if we introduce the victims, too? What if they, too, had the power to grant clemency? Now that would be a genuinely human thing to do: forgiveness.

Sure, the families of the victims may not feel charitable or all-forgiving. But in case they do, the pressure on politicians would be less.

But, in any case, Patil’s sudden entry with a broom to clear the death row backlog looks suspicious. Perhaps she is clearing the way for the UPA to pardon one and all – including those convicted for terror.
This is like abolishing the death penalty through the back-door.

Sanjay wrote:Ramana, unless there were previous convictions, how do you determine "criminal nature" ?

What I would ask is that blanket views of disparagement or disdain for India and us Indians (not that it is entirely undeserved) be tempered by the realization that even in the so-called developed world, with an attitude of cultural and moral superiority have done an awful job of protecting women from rapists or at even getting justice for them when rape happens.

My big question is why is this ?