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Bade wrote:Saar, I think I made it very clear and my opinion on what US does has no relevance.

If you think the US has an issue with rape (maybe it does not, as I see no mass protests here regarding it even though clearly it is happening regularly and getting reported as well) then please do suggest what they should do to improve the situation.

If I understood you, your peeve is that it is recommending something to Indians, that is not acceptable to you. Please elaborate what is it that you find objectionable in what is being suggested that is a cultural affront to India ? Some of it by Indians themselves in the media.

Theo_Fidel wrote:Meanwhile a fair commentary....

http://www.thehindu.com/arts/magazine/a ... 269070.ece

A letter to young men who protested against rape

A moral lesson

It appears that one may get to see many changes in Delhi after the gangrape of the 23-year-old. One change that is visible is in the UPA Government’s way of thinking. The Prime Minister’s Office (PMO) has directed the Ministry of Human Resource Development (HRD) to make moral education a must in schools.

It has taken the Government eight years to awaken and take a step in this direction. During the NDA regime the then HRD Minister Murli Manohar Joshi had made suggestions to schools to impart moral education, yoga, Vedic Math and astrology. But the Congress had been opposed to this idea at that time.

When the Congress came to power Arjun Singh became HRD Minister and spent five years of his tenure to push for Joshi’s agenda. The reason that the Congress gave for opposing the move was that it would only promote communal agenda.

But finally, the PMO has woken from its slumber and given instructions to promote morality in schools. Definitely, a right move.


http://dailypioneer.com/sunday-edition/ ... later.html

Sushupti wrote:

A moral lessonThe Prime Minister’s Office (PMO) has directed the Ministry of Human Resource Development (HRD) to make moral education a must in schools. http://dailypioneer.com/sunday-edition/ ... later.html

Arjun wrote:

a) While this has no relevance to the subject matter of this thread - the separation of 'Christian values' and 'American values' where the latter is usually regarded as the more liberal parts derived from Christian underpinnings, is exactly the way to go as far as the relationship between 'Hindu values' and 'Indian / Indic values'. And the respect for these values from media in India should be the same as in the US.

Sanjay wrote:Chaanakya, that incredibly helpful list at http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... e#p1387518 - I am sure you had a major role in its drafting (or sole role) - is it complete or is there more to it found elsewhere ?

Sanjay wrote:Is there any problem with recruiting a large number of women SPOs specifically to deal with crimes against women and children (specifically harassment and molestation) this might enable a link between the police and public to emerge.

Sachin wrote:
RamaY wrote:
It is a law and order issue and it is the responsibility of Delhi police to act.

I am not denying that. The Delhi Police should shape up. No doubts. But what has the society in Delhi done to force them to change their behaviour or improve their performance? If the citizens in a place decide to scoot away from certain issues, the police are also going to take the same route. After all what is their incentive on this? The victims would be most likely people who don't know about this.

There are 2 ways to go about--
1) top to bottom approach-- the law and order should be tight and make sure it works. This ensures the security and safety of citizens. This should be the rule.
2) bottom to top appraoch-- this is usually the last resort as has happened in Delhi. The citizens asking the authorities to do their act. This should be an exception.


Overall law and order should be the priority of the govt of the day. They should not expect that society does not want it or other nonsense and be complacent. This is pure incompetence.
yes law and oder personnels are made up of people from society no doubt about it.
Society is handicapped by thinking along individual perosnal/families etc hence the repsonse time is slow and may take years for all to spontaneously respond as in Delhi or the revolutions in the past.

law and order has all the details of the crimes done, there are lot of meetings done in the dept throughout year along with govt taking stock of the situation.


If the govt shirks the situation, one should not blame the society.

^^^^
example-- as a hakim, my duty is to treat the patient to the best I can, if I cannot then I have to excuse myself from the case, ask my colleagues more competent to look after the patient.

Here one should not expect that patient should demand the hakim should treat the patient properly. This is not the right way.
Here also hakim are from the society itself and not from mars or jupiter.

By very nature of hakim, we are trained to deal with the patients. This is our duty and responsibility.


Similarly law and oder are trained for this specific purpose, this is their duty and responsibility.
No escaping from it.

Either the govt should make way for elections or shape up and give good governance.

^^^ The main problem in Delhi is the lack of corporatization of public transport. The politicians don't allow reputed corproate groups to run taxis, autos and buses. They have a policy of giving permits to individual operators which have one or two buses each. This creates a gravy train. Most of these buses, taxis and autos are owned by politicians, police men and bureaucrats. It is crony capitalism where these people capture certain areas of the economy by making self-serving policies. In Delhi, most parking slot contracts go to MPs and MLAs and they charge double or triple of what is printed in the parking slip. Lot of cash is generated this way.

This is a mafia which has captured the transport system of every city in India. They are determined not to allow reputed private companies like Tatas to step in to manage the bus or taxi service. It is a business for them. As a result, drunk goons drive these buses. Fly-by-night operators are rampant. There is no structured employment with PF etc. for bus drivers who are paid on a daily basis and hired and fired at will.

The transport problems of Delhi can be easily solved by inviting corporates to manage the bus and taxi fleets, with trained drivers in uniform on proper payrolls and GPS-enabled vehicles. But this can be only over the dead body of these mafia men of the transport deptt,, police and MLAs. Delhi tried corporatization of taxis through radio taxis -- these are the safest mode of travel in the city today after the metro, with polished drivers, printed bills, proper training and uniforms, GPS monitoring, and complaint helplines.

As an example, I accidentally left my laptop behind in one of these taxis in the night. I called up the company, gave them the time and area in which the taxi dropped me, and in ten minutes the driver called me on my mobile to say he is coming to my house to hand over my laptop. I paid him the fare for the journey and tipped him Rs 100 extra, and the guy just drove away with a polite thank you. This is the difference between corporatization and giving individual permits to random operators.

India finally speaks about sexual violence

In a country where an unborn girl faces the threat of annihilation, why did the tragedy of one woman resonate so deeply? The answer, I suspect, has a lot to do with the multiple empowerments under way in India: of women, of youth, of the middle class. This was visible in the village where a Jat girl, a schoolmate of the victim, shared information on the rape accused by men from her own community, choosing sisterhood over caste.

Until it was cut short, even the life of the anonymous 23-year-old woman contained the same kernel of promise: she was bright enough to inspire her father to sell his small parcel of land in the village to fund her college education.

Even the most cynical of urban, affluent Indians could not look away. India’s urban middle class is notoriously apathetic. It safeguards its hard-earned prosperity by cocooning itself from the country’s daily cruelties. It can be berated for not caring about sexual violence in the conflict zones of Kashmir and Chhattisgarh, but as the recent events show it has at least begun to care about what happens in its cities.

Would this new restlessness of the middle class go beyond expressions of outrage and pose a deeper, more sustained challenge to the detritus of Indian politics? Would the young find the courage to question misogyny in their own families?

The day the 23-year-old woman passed away, thousands turned up to light a candle in her memory. An old man quietly held up a banner that said, “This is the first time I have felt hopeful in a long time.”

chaanakya wrote:

Sanjay wrote:Is there any problem with recruiting a large number of women SPOs specifically to deal with crimes against women and children (specifically harassment and molestation) this might enable a link between the police and public to emerge.

need to provide quota for them . 33% is being talked about. Right now it would be 1-5% in total police force.

Thane: In the backdrop of rising cases of crime against women, four Thane students have come up with a 'Robotic sandal' for the rescue of women in distress. Four students of class VII and IX have made a ladies sandal by fitting certain devices at the bottom of the normal footwear used by women. The device consists of a metallic rivet having a voltage of 5V.

While displaying the 'robotic sandal' before media on Saturday, the children showed that in time of distress, if the sandal is hit twice on the ground, it gets activated, triggering a wireless alarm connected to the instrument, which can be ideally kept in a bag or purse. The moment the alarm is set off, the device sends alert SMSes to already specified numbers and the location of the woman in distress can easily be detected.

Also, it was claimed that if a woman hits the assaulter with the sandal, it gives a shock to him as the rivet is activated. The gadget first came to limelight during a competition held in Thane in December 2012 where children had to showcase the scientific gadgets made by them.

Tested by about half-a-dozen women, this sandal costs Rs 2,000, he said, adding that it is not being commercially produced.

Sanjay wrote:Is there any problem with recruiting a large number of women SPOs specifically to deal with crimes against women and children (specifically harassment and molestation) this might enable a link between the police and public to emerge.

shiv wrote:State politicians DO NOT want police reforms They DO NOT want to lose control over the police

But cited records of horrific consequences like abuse and murders of police women alarms the public recently.The risk of discharging their duties at odd hours surrounded by foul mouthed and drunk colleagues is high. Sexual harassment is inevitable especially in a working environment where men dominate.

One record of gruesome murder is that of one young female constable who obtained five stabs on her body, three on the neck and one on each breast. There were two gaping cuts on her head. Her fingers were chopped off and a bunch of hair was yanked out of her scalp. It was indeed the most brutal murder.Two policemen had raped and killed young constable Maya Yadav, 22, in a police guesthouse room at the Chechat police station in Kota district.

Sexual harassment of women constables at the workplace is increasing in the same proportion as their numbers in the force. Today, women constitute 5.6 per cent of Rajasthan's constabulary and this change has largely come about because of 30 per cent reservation for women in the recruitment of constables. Eventually women are expected to make up 30 per cent of the constabulary. This of course is a positive trend. The 'Safe Cities For Women & Girls' campaign's Bogota Declaration specifically called for and increase in the number of police officers, especially to attend to cases of violence against women and girls. The 'Safe Cities For Women & Girls' is an international campaign which is in work tandem with Jagori, a national women's resource centre, in India.

Police officers admit that the sexual harassment of women constables does occur but most cases don't get reported.When women discuss it with their colleagues, they are advised to keep quiet and be more careful in future.

A woman constable has to perform all the duties that her male colleagues do. Every SHO wants at least 50 per cent of police station staff to be on call so they insist on these women staying at the station's premises. It is for this reason that women's rest rooms are now being constructed at police stations for women constables.

Today, out of the 711 police stations in the state, about 350 already have rest rooms for women. But Singh admits that there's a lot that still needs to be done to create a more enabling environment for women in the force.

The “Call for Change” campaign of Odisha Pradesh Congress Committee (OPCC) turned violent on Thursday as the police went after the party activists who attempted to gherao the State Assembly, leaving many, from both sides, injured here on Thursday.

Senior police officials said it was pre-planned violence as the Congress workers had come armed with stones and bamboo poles. “The crowd seems to have reacted after Tytler egged them on with words like ‘todo, todo’ and ‘what have you come here for’,” said a police official.

Sagarika Ghose ‏@sagarikaghose
In fact Bhagwatji was referring to marriages as contracts. Very sorry to Bhagwatji for presuming that his statements were insulting to women

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"We are planning to start it in Delhi. Photographs, names and addresses of the rapists will be uploaded on Delhi Police website also," he said in New Delhi on Thursday. Singh said that subsequently the plan will cover all states and Union Territories and websites of state police forces will carry photographs, names and addresses of the rape convicts.

SaiK wrote:

timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Of-all-juvenile-crimes-64-by-16-18-yr-olds/articleshow/17907886.cms Across the country, Madhya Pradesh, Maharashtra , Chhattisgarh, Andhra Pradesh, Rajasthan and Gujarat accounted for close to 70% of all juvenile crimes registered in 2011. Madhya Pradesh led the pack in rape cases with 271 cases, followed UP (146) and Maharshtra (125). Delhi recorded 47 cases of rapes by juveniles. All together make for over 50% of all rape cases by juveniles.

60-70% of juvenile criminals are aged 16-18.

Enough data to consider them as adults.

Acharya wrote:Anderson Cooper in CNN has the show for monday at 8PM on the Rape case and international outrage

Check if he mentions rape in US and other places.
Big propaganda is being started when they have ignored the rape cases in media in other countries