Indian Economy - News & Discussion Oct 12 2013

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http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/04/1 ... DB20140416
U.S. calls for more investment-friendly Indian government
(Reuters) - The United States on Wednesday urged the Indian government that emerges from ongoing elections to follow economic policies that encourage investment, saying Washington would like to see bilateral trade grow to $500 billion a year.Nisha Biswal, U.S. assistant secretary of state for South and Central Asia, said future economic growth in South Asia hinged on India as the region's growth engine.However, Biswal said that while Indian leaders had targeted $1 trillion in infrastructure investment over five years to close gaps preventing growth in manufacturing, policies still inhibited foreign investment. She said India ranked a poor 134 out of 189 countries as a place to invest and start a business.n its election manifesto, the BJP said it would welcome foreign direct investment in all sectors that create local jobs, - except for supermarkets, a setback to global chains such as Wal-Mart Stores Inc and CarrefourIt remains unclear though whether the BJP will follow through on the supermarket ban or whether its announcement was just pre-election rhetoric.BJP insiders remain cautious about laying out specific plans because the party may need to adjust its policies after the election to win over allies and form a coalition government if it falls short of the parliamentary majority required to rule.
Biswal said India had the potential to exceed all expectations economically, but needed to adopt investment and tax policies designed to lure, not deter, capital flows and a system of timely regulatory approvals and contract enforcement.
It also needed to protect intellectual property rights, she said."The more integrated India is into global markets and into the economic architecture of Asia, the more India's economy will grow and benefit the entire global economic system," she said.Biswal said the United States wanted to see bilateral trade grow to $500 billion a year. It is about $100 billion currently.Arun Jaitley, a senior BJP leader tipped to be finance minister in the new government, said in an interview this weekend that the party should give direction in five broad areas: infrastructure, building suburban and new urban townships, massive skill development programs, tourism, and lowering costs for business.Capital investment contributes nearly 35 percent to India's $1.8 trillion economy, but it barely grew in the fiscal year that ended in March as delays in clearances from various ministries and funding issues grounded many major projects.
In its manifesto, the BJP said it would seek friendly relations with neighbors, but in an apparent reference to the historical troubles India has experienced with its rival Pakistan, vowed to "deal with cross-border terrorism with a firm hand" and take a "strong stand and steps" when required.
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India's forex reserves up at $309.44 billion as of April 11
India's foreign exchange reserves jumped by $2.797 billion to $309.444 billion in the week ended April 11 on the back of a healthy rise in currency assets.

Total reserves had shot up by $2.974 billion to $306.647 billion in the previous week.

Foreign currency assets (FCAs), a major part of the overall reserves, rose by $2.746 billion to $281.552 billion for the week ended April 11, the Reserve Bank of India (RBI) said on Friday.

FCAs, expressed in dollar terms, include the effect of appreciation/depreciation of the non-US currencies such as the euro, pound and yen held in its reserves.

Gold reserves remained unchanged at $21.566 billion, as per the RBI data.

The special drawing rights rose by $35.9 million to $4.483 billion, and India's reserve position with the IMF jumped by $14.8 million to $1.841 billion, the apex bank said.
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India's GDP quadrupled in 10 years under UPA: Anand Sharma

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So except for all scams, apparently, nothing is wrong with the Indian economy.
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Unfortunately, the commerce minister is wrong. The data from the economic survey presented with the annual budget disagrees with him.
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Just did a quick google and adjusted for inflation, the GDP is 2.5+ times that of 2004. Anyway, the slowdown of past two years could amount to about half a billion USD lost.

And if you consider the compounding loss due to slowdown in infrastructure projects like DMIC etc.....
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Anand K wrote:Just did a quick google and adjusted for inflation, the GDP is 2.5+ times that of 2004. Anyway, the slowdown of past two years could amount to about half a billion USD lost.
And if you consider the compounding loss due to slowdown in infrastructure projects like DMIC etc.....
It should have been quadrupled but grew only 2.5 Times . The economic hit job done by MMS as previously estimate here remains close to 1.4 Trillion Dollars worth in last 10 years.
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Suraj wrote:Unfortunately, the commerce minister is wrong. The data from the economic survey presented with the annual budget disagrees with him.
He obviously didn't adjust for inflation, or else the Chinese GDP would've grown by 5.5 times lol.
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It's election season in India, DavidD. All disclaimers apply.
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http://m.economictimes.com/opinion/inte ... 066873.cms
Ready to work with Congress on FDI, policy continuity top priority: Narendra Modi

In a wide-ranging interview to ET that focussed on election prospects as well as economic policy challenges, Narendra Modi predicted a NDA win and a Congress rout, but said he's ready to work with Congress post-poll. Significantly, Modi had words of praise for Prime Minister Manmohan Singh even while he strongly critiqued Congress' economic policy. Equally significantly, while answering questions on FDI policy and retail FDI, BJP's PM candidate said protecting investor sentiment and maintaining policy continuity are top priorities

If you win, you will inherit a sickly economy. A new government will have short-term pressures to lift investor mood and medium-term pressure to lift actual investment. What are your plans for these most critical areas?

I agree that the new government will inherit an economy in a very bad shape. I do not know whether it was by design that the UPA government has left the economy in a shape that is worse than ever before. Probably, it is the Congress' way of making it difficult for successor governments to work. The NDA government had demitted office in 2004 leaving the GDP growth rate in excess of 8.5%. India was poised to attain double digit growth rate and the economy looked in great shape with inflation being under control. UPA has mismanaged the economy.

When UPA is going out of power, the GDP growth rate has gone down to 4.5%, inflation is at an all-time high and the mood is of pessimism.

As far as perception-related issues are concerned, thankfully we have our track record to fall back upon. Therefore, it would be much easier to handle perception-related issues. We will have to immediately get on the job and come out of the present state of policy paralysis and lack of decision-making.

We are very clear that we want a government that does not shy away from taking decisions. We would like a stable policy framework and whatever incentives and tax structures are there should be made known to investors upfront. There should be credibility, clarity and continuity in both policy formulation and its implementation.



You are perceived to be investor-friendly. However, your party is opposed to big reforms such as FDI in multi-brand retail. Don't you think this will depress foreign investor sentiments? What happens to companies like Tesco, whose JV with the Tatas has already been approved by the Centre?


While we have expressed our reservations on FDI in multi-brand retail, our party manifesto is very clear that we welcome FDI in all sectors. Wherever we think that FDI can help in generating jobs for the youth and growth in employment, we will encourage the same. As regards individual cases, any decision will depend upon the merits of the case as revealed by its details. However, we are equally committed to take care of investor sentiments and to ensure that we do not send any message of uncertainty and lack of continuity in decision-making process which is likely to adversely impact the confidence of investors in general and foreign investors in particular.

You have said you don't believe in 100 days performance targets. But first perceptions are important. How do you plan to make your first perception?


I don't think with my own track record of more than 12 years as the chief minister of a strong and vibrant state and the track record of the six years of NDA rule, I am under much of a pressure of perception management.

Central policy has many stakeholders and vested interests. What are your plans to tackle this, do you have any fundamental reform in mind? You have said there has to be a Team India, one office can't run the country — how will you create that Team India?

I think the Team India is already there. As a chief minister, I have experienced first hand the problems that the state governments face vis-a-vis the Centre. I fully understand the expectations of the state governments. Thus, I am better placed to work closely with the chief ministers.

I also believe in delegation, decentralisation and empowerment. We should work with the principle that a work that can be done at a lower level should never be escalated to a higher level.

On land issues, the Centre has much less freedom — will you make a special effort to clear up the land for industry? If so, how?


As of now, it is the states who are taking the lead in implementation of projects and bringing about growth and development. The Centre in the last 10 years has only ended up delaying projects on one or the other pretext. Apart from an all-pervasive policy paralysis coupled with a lack of decision-making ability, it has also been large-scale corruption in the guise of environment protection which has been responsible for project delays. If the Centre can become a facilitator, then a healthy competition between the states is going to take care of issues related to project implementation.

Regarding the issue of land for industry, we are very clear that a win-win solution is possible and industrial investment need not come at the cost of sacrificing the interest of farmers. Right now we are having a situation wherein due to procedural delays the farmers are not getting adequate and timely compensation and the projects are also not taking off in time, leading to project delays and cost overruns.

So it is a lose-lose situation today. This is due to the Congress party's belief in symbolism and lip service to the interest of farmers.

We will move towards the system of speedy and more transparent process where the first priority will be to give adequate compensation to the farmers to their satisfaction and protecting the interest of the farmers. At the same time, there will be equal emphasis on time-bound project implementation.

I seriously think that in the end the additional amount paid to the farmers on enhanced compensation will be less than the money saved by timely implementation of projects.

Relations between BJP and Congress have nosedived, but won't you need Congress to get Parliament to support policy-making? Do you plan to reach out if and when you are in power?


I do not think it is a correct assessment that the relations between BJP and Congress have nosedived. It is natural during elections for pitched battles to be fought. In the last 10 years, the BJP has supported several initiatives of the Congress; be it the Food Security Bill or the Land Acquisition Bill, Lokpal Bill, Telangana etc. Today, all mature politicians understand the importance of working together on issues of vital national importance.

We hear that if you win you plan to run a smaller government. If that's true, how small will your government be... Do you have a finance minister on mind?

I think these questions are premature. It would be * appropriate that we wait till 16th May before getting into these discussions.

How will a Modi government be different from earlier ones? How will your cabinet be different? Will you go for a government of technocrats?


Again, let's wait till 16th May.

We also hear you want the Centre to focus only on areas listed out in the central list, while leaving the states to work on the states list. Will you please elaborate?

I have been a firm believer in the federal structure of our country as enshrined in the Constitution.

While any BJP-led government will never do anything to trample upon the authority of the states, we would also not shy away from our responsibility to play a role in coordinating the efforts of the states wherever needed.

Cabinet ministers frequently underperform and PMs frequently look helpless when they underperform. Will you set targets for ministers, set goals and hold ministers accountable?

As I have said, I believe in team work and collective responsibility. I believe that all the members of a team should be given specific responsibilities and empowered to discharge those responsibilities.

Needless to say, accountability has to be there in any such arrangement and it also includes me. When we work as a team, every member including the captain has to be accountable to the team. Further, in democracy ultimate accountability is to the people.

You have had difficult relationships with other countries after 2002, especially with the US. Will you travel to the US ever?

These are all figments of the imagination of certain people. I have always had the best relations with various countries. In fact, more than 100 countries participated in the last Vibrant Gujarat Investors Summit-2013. In any case, I am clear that issues between countries are far too important to be even remotely influenced by individuals or events.

How many seats will BJP win this poll as per your assessment?


This is an unprecedented election we are seeing. In every way this election is going to be difficult to predict even for psephologists. However, I have travelled the length and breadth of the country and the tremendous groundswell of support that I have seen makes me confident about a few things.

Firstly, this election we are going to see the highest turnout and the largest participation of young voters. Secondly, the sentiment against the Congress party is very strong. The Congress party is not only staring at a certain defeat, but also going to fall to its lowest tally in independent India's electoral history. I would not be surprised if the Congress fails to attain double digit score in any state and almost certainly it is not going to reach the triple figure mark nationally.

Thirdly, this is the first election in which anti-incumbency feeling is present along with overwhelming positive vote for change. Thus, I see the BJP and the NDA both achieving their best performances ever. Now, it is almost certain that the pre-poll alliance of NDA will get a clear majority.

What is Narendra Modi the person like? What motivates him, what does he dislike? What does he want to be remembered for?

You can call me a workaholic. It is most often working and the possibility of positively impacting the lives of millions which motivates me. I am stickler for punctuality and discipline. Therefore, at times I don't like it when my schedules get delayed.

It is probably too early in the day for me to be thinking about what I would like to be remembered for.

You have been critical in your speeches about Manmohan Singh.. Is there anything that you would give him credit for?

I would certainly give Dr Manmohan Singh a lot of credit for the work he did as finance minister in the Narasimha Rao government. Even as prime minister, he may have been able to do some good work had he been given the authority and independence to function.

That, however, is in the realm of history now. I certainly respect him as an individual.
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Good Move , BRIC countries should trade in their own currency gradually reducing USD/Euro transaction among themself.

15 years is a long time and no one is sure if USD in next 15 years will have a per-emminent Reserve Currency status.
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Any one knows how come Brazil has a bigger GDP than India ? Did they grew much faster than India during the past decade ?

India GDP 2013 $1841
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/india/gdp

Brazil GDP 2013 $2435
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/brazil/gdp
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Service Sector of Brazil equals about 90% of India's total GDP. From this, Financial Services alone is nearly a fourth of India's total GDP. Savings % against GDP is half that of India. Much higher consumerism, good access to American products, money flows around various aspects of economy in copious amounts and all that.
The primary manufacturing sector is apparently highly productive, quite diversified (believe me, THAT came as a revelation when I started reading about these fluorescent bikini people :mrgreen: ) and this also led to the tradeable services & other subsidiary industries booming in last decade. Also we haven't seen de-industrialization on the scale we saw in the US in the 90s. Not yet. That sector's still pretty strong.

Wish I had more granular knowledge on the Brazilian Service sector, I concentrate on the Chinese more..... OTT anyway.
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they are also a massive producer of agri products..perhaps the largest vegetable exporter in the world..all that Amazonia land being slash burned in the west for "new deal" settlers is going into agri and ranching.
the people running around panhandling for gold and silver in illegal forest mines are for natgeo/disc novelty value only..the real action is opening up vast western lands by destroying forests like forests are banned or something.

with a lowish population and massive agri/mineral resources , with very limited immigration or national security problem they are Australia v2.

other than Embraer I have not heard of any major brazilian manufactured product in the world (if you exclude various potent alcohols)....but I am sure its there, just that we are not exposed to it here.

when we compare to other nations, we must remember around 70% of our pop operates well below acceptable levels of consumerism, education, access to financing, healthcare etc. they are a dead weight in any stats comparison.

challenge for any right thinking regime is dragging the country ass-backwards by its tail to where Malaysia and Thailand are today.
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Austin wrote:Any one knows how come Brazil has a bigger GDP than India ? Did they grew much faster than India during the past decade ?

India GDP 2013 $1841
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/india/gdp

Brazil GDP 2013 $2435
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/brazil/gdp
PPP-wise, the IMF, World Bank, and the CIA all have India's GDP at at least in the 4700's, and Brazil at most in the 2400's.
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Thanks for the replies.

I think in the Global Economy Thread some one had mentioned that PPP does not really matter for country that does not have a Full Convertible Currency
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Any comparison of nominal GDPs has to take into account the fact that the INR has been a much more unstable currency than its BRIC peers . CNY has appreciated slowly but surely. The Ruble and Br.Real have, as far as I'm aware been volatile, but not lost as much value as the INR has. The Rupee used to trade at Rs.40 per dollar . It now trades at Rs.60 / dollar, which is a 50% fall in value from peak. Even if the economy grew strongly in the meantime, measured at market exchange rates, the growth will appear far lower.

Looking at charts, USD-BRL exchange rate is almost exactly where it was 5 years ago. In between the BRL appreciated dramatically, before collapsing briefly and then recovering. The 10 year chart shows that the BRL is ~33% stronger than it was a decade ago. Ditto for the USD-RUB 5 year chart - the ruble is just slightly weaker than 5 years back, and approximately 15% weaker than a decade ago. The USD-CNY chart shows the CNY appreciated from 6.8 to 6.2/$ in the last half a decade, and from 8.3 to 6.2 in the last decade - a clear strengthening.

The INR-USD chart on the other hand shows that INR is 20% weaker than 5 years ago, and ~40% weaker than a decade ago. Strong investor sentiment in the case of a strong political mandate in this election can rapidly change this, causing the Rupee to fall back to Rs.40-45, in which case the recalculated current nominal GDP would be around $2.6-2.8 trillion simply on account of change in exchange rates.

Also to be noted - the Indian GDP base year is 2004-05, and the revision of the base year, as well as the inclusion of more data from the informal economy, is yet to be done. Both China and Russia (and maybe Brazil) have more up to date statistics in this regard. Appreciation of the Rupee, combined with the boost from a base year revision, would bring the GDP to the $3 trillion range.
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Eminent Indian-born economist Jagdish Bhagwati, who is positioning himself to advise Narendra Modi if the opposition leader becomes India's next prime minister, would urge him to allow more foreign investment and trade to spur slow growth and curtail government spending.

Modi is favourite to become prime minister for the Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), which has a strong lead in opinion polls. He is running on a platform of reviving an economy going through its worst slowdown since the 1980s.

For the first time addressing his potential role in a Modi government, Bhagwati, known as the most famous living economist never to win a Nobel prize, told Reuters he saw himself on an external council advising the prime minister.

"I'd be glad to chair something like that, and I think that's what they might do," Bhagwati said.

In a possible sign of the influence of Bhagwati's brand of free-market thinking, he said his pro-growth protege Arvind Panagariya was a strong candidate for the more hands-on role of chief economist to the prime minister, if Modi is elected.

A BJP spokeswoman said she was not aware of any plans to invite Bhagwati and Panagariya to advise.

"The kind of person they would want, and I think correctly, as a chief economist would be my co-author, who is about 60 compared to my 80. I don't have that kind of energy anymore," Bhagwati said, adding that people close to Modi had approached him to ask about Panagariya's suitability for the role.

If the two Columbia University economists did end up working for Modi, it could put them at odds with more protectionist factions in the party and its allies.

"To enhance growth, he will need to promise that India will open more to trade and FDI (foreign direct investment)," said Bhagwati.

Bhagwati urged the next government to position India as a trading power, seeking to enter, on its own terms, regional pacts such as the Trans-Pacific Partnership being negotiated between the United States and East Asian nations.

He also expected Modi to move decisively to attract foreign investment, and that he would eventually implement a policy opposed by his party - to allow foreign retailers like Wal-Mart and Tesco free access to Indian markets.

"He will do it, but he can't do it right away, because you can't go against your party. It's impossible, he is not a stupid man," he said, adding that Modi's room for manoeuvre would depend on the size of a potential victory.

The BJP spokeswoman said the party had made its position on the issue clear in its election manifesto, which said that it welcomed FDI, but not in retail.

Restrictions introduced by the Congress party government include tough local sourcing rules that have put most foreign companies off taking the plunge into India's retail sector.

Bhagwati's most urgent policy prescription, however, is to slow government spending, which he blames for high inflation.

"At the beginning he (Modi) has got to say 'look, we're going to bring inflation under control' ... There is no escape from turning off the spigot."

Bhagwati said he expected Modi to keep Reserve Bank of India governor Raghuram Rajan, whose hawkish use of monetary policy to target stubbornly high inflation has led some in the BJP to call for his ouster.

"On the financial side his best bet is to stick with Raghu Rajan," Bhagwati said. "We really need to 'brake' the economy, try to put a stop to its fiscal profligacy."

Bhagwati's close friend, current Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, ushered in India's first round of economic reforms in 1991, based in part on ideas they had discussed as students together at Britain's Cambridge University in the 1950s.

But Bhagwati said that as prime minister over the past decade Singh had failed to put his ideas into practice - something he expected to change if Modi wins.

Congress used public spending to steer the economy through the 2009 crisis, but critics say it was slow to rein it in, leading to high inflation and a large fiscal deficit.

Bhagwati had a public academic spat over India's welfare policies with Nobel laureate Amartya Sen, who was influential in the current government.

While both men agree on the need for social spending and economic growth to fight poverty, Bhagwati accuses Sen of not backing reforms needed to stimulate growth, including in tax, labour, privatisation and foreign investment.

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With due respects to Bhagwati, any one who has been more than 10 years away from India should not be brought into high executive positions. They have lost touch with the actual ground.

Getting him as a deans or senior professors to one of IIMs or some such institute, now that should be what we should welcome and there should be complete open access especially in Science, Technology, Engineering and Medical fields. Have a phd from a half decent university, a very short path to even citizenship should be open.

I will give humanities and related fields, a pass.
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Bhagwati is a great man.. I wouldn't mind him in as an advisor.. Bhagwati is a PhD from MIT ...more than fits my definition of half decent.. I know from my cou-djinns that the economics taught in MIT is quite rigorously quantitative ..

Most of us BRFITE's are STEM people and our bias for our kind is natural...I myself have that kind of bias..but certainly bhagwati makes a better economist than Khujliwal ...
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Swamy is arguing for a combination of good governance + demographic dividend.

A new economic agenda - Subramanian Swamy, The Hindu
To become a developed country, India’s GDP will have to grow at 12 per cent per year for at least a decade. Technically this is within reach, since it would require the rate of investment to rise from the present 28 per cent of GDP to 36 per cent

The question before a probable Narendra Modi-led government in 2014 is whether the statistically undeniable economic slide of the last decade can be halted and a fresh impetus be given to growth in the Indian economy.

The answer is “yes” if good governance norms are properly enforced to enable the Indian economy to grow at 12 per cent per year in GDP for a decade which means efficiently deploying resources to reduce the current incremental capital output ratio from 4.0 to 3.0, and by incentivising the people to save more to increase the current rate of investment (which is domestic saving plus net foreign investment).


The United Progressive Alliance (UPA) government, judged statistically by the dangerous level of fiscal and capital accounts deficit indicators, has squandered national financial and physical resources mainly due to a lack of accountability, corruption and high transaction costs arising for archaic bureaucratic procedures.

Modest goals within reach

This picture emerges from comparative statistics of National Democratic Alliance (1998-2004) and UPA (2004-2014) rule.

Efficient, corruption-free deployment of existing resources that implies a reduction in the capital-output ratio, means a 12 per cent GDP growth rate per year, i.e., a doubling of GDP every six years, and that of per capita income doubling every seven years.

This growth rate over a five-year period can take us into the league of the top three most populated nations of the world, i.e., of the United States, China and India — that is by 2020. Thereafter, India would be able to overtake China over the next decade. That should be the goal of governance for us today.

India is not yet an economically developed nation. India has demonstrated its prowess in the IT, biotech and pharmaceutical sectors and has accelerated its growth rate to nine per cent per year in the first decade of this century, up from an earlier 40-year (1950-90) socialist era average annual growth rate of a mere 3.5 per cent, to become the third largest nation in terms of GDP at Purchasing Power Parity (PPP) rates.

However, it still has a backward agricultural sector of 62 per cent of the people, where there are farmer suicides because of inability to repay loans. There is a national unemployment rate that is of over 15 per cent of the adult labour force, a prevalence of child labour arising out of nearly 50 per cent of children not making it to school beyond standard five, a deeply malfunctioning primary and secondary educational system, and 300 million illiterates and 250 million people in dire poverty.

India’s infrastructure is pathetic, with frequent electric power breakdowns even in metropolitan cities, dangerously unhealthy water supply in urban areas, a galloping rate of HIV infection, and gaping potholes that dot our national highways.

For a second generation of reforms

To become a developed country, therefore, India’s GDP will have to grow at 12 per cent per year for at least a decade. Technically this is within India’s reach, since it would require the rate of investment to rise from the present 28 per cent of GDP to 36 per cent, while productivity growth will have to ensure that the incremental output-capital ratio declines from the present 4.0 to 3.0.

These are modest goals that can be attained by an efficient decision-making structure, tackling corruption, increased Foreign direct investment (FDI) and use of IT software in the domestic industry. But for that to happen, what is required are more vigorous market-centric economic reforms to dismantle the remaining vestiges of the Soviet model in Indian planning, especially at the provincial level.

The Indian financial system also suffers from a hangover of cronyism and corruption which has left government budgets on the verge of bankruptcy. This too needs fixing. It cannot be rectified by a Reserve Bank of India vitiating the investment climate with an obsession to contain inflationary pressure. It is like killing a patient to lower his body temperature.

India’s infrastructure requires about $150 billion to make it world class, while a new innovation climate requires investment in the education system of six per cent of GDP instead of 2.8 per cent today. But an open competitive market system can find these resources provided the quality of governance and accountability is improved. Auctioning of natural resources such as spectrum, coal, oilfields, and land for commercial exploitation can largely substitute for tax impositions. Obviously, a wide-ranging second generation of reforms is necessary for all this to accelerate India’s growth rate to 12 per cent per year. India has many advantages today to achieve a booming economy. We have a young population (an average of 28 years compared to the U.S.’ 38 years, and Japan’s 49 years) that could be the base for it to usher in innovation in our production process (a demographic dividend); an agriculture sector that has internationally the lowest yield in land and livestock-based products, and also, at the lowest cost of production, a full 12 months a year of farm-friendly weather, and an internationally competitive, skilled and low wage rate, semi-skilled labour at the national level. The advantages are already being proved to the world by the outsourcing phenomenon of skills in the developed world and the cheap supply of labour to oil-rich countries.

Demography as an advantage

Since the world view of economic development has now completely changed, economic development is no more thought of as being capital-driven, but knowledge-driven instead.

For application of knowledge, we need innovations, which means more original research which in turn needs more fresh young minds — the cream of the youth — to be imbibed with learning and at the frontier of research.

For decades since independence in 1947 we had been told that India’s demography was its main liability, that India’s population was growing too fast, and what India needed most was to control its population, even if by coercive methods.

Globally, India today leads in the supply of youth, i.e., persons in the age group of 15 to 35 years, and this lead will last for another 40 years. Therefore, we should not squander away this “natural resource.” We must, by proper policy for the young, realise and harvest this demographic potential.

China is today the second largest world leader in terms of having a young population. But the youth population there will start shrinking from 2015, i.e., less than a decade from now because of a lagged effect of the one-child policy. Japanese and European populations are already fast aging. The U.S. will however hold a steady trend thanks to a liberal policy of immigration, especially from Mexico and the Philippines. But, even then, the U.S. will have a demographic shortage in skilled personnel. All developed countries will experience a demographic deficit. India will not have to experience this if we empower our youth with multiple intelligences. Our past liability, by a fortuitous turn of fate, has now become our potential asset.

Thus, India — by unintended consequences of a relatively unfettered population growth — is now gifted with a young population. If we educate this youth to develop cognitive intelligence to become original thinkers, imbibe emotional intelligence to have a team spirit and develop a rational risk-taking attitude, inculcate moral intelligence to blend personal ambition with national goals, cultivate social intelligence to defend the civic rights of the weak, gender equality, have the courage to fight injustice, and the spiritual intelligence to tap into the cosmic energy (Brahmand) that surrounds the earth, we can then develop an intellectually more advanced species of human being; an Indian youth who can be relied on to contribute to make India a global power within two decades. Only then will our demographic dividend not be wasted.

This goal thus has to be at the core of the economic agenda for the rest of this decade for a new government in 2014.

(Subramanian Swamy, a former Union Cabinet Minister, is the chairman of the BJP Committee for Strategic Action in the 2014 Lok Sabha election.)
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Restrictions introduced by the Congress party government include tough local sourcing rules that have put most foreign companies off taking the plunge into India's retail sector.

Bhagwati's most urgent policy prescription, however, is to slow government spending, which he blames for high inflation.

"At the beginning he (Modi) has got to say 'look, we're going to bring inflation under control' ... There is no escape from turning off the spigot."

Bhagwati said he expected Modi to keep Reserve Bank of India governor Raghuram Rajan, whose hawkish use of monetary policy to target stubbornly high inflation has led some in the BJP to call for his ouster.

"On the financial side his best bet is to stick with Raghu Rajan," Bhagwati said. "We really need to 'brake' the economy, try to put a stop to its fiscal profligacy."
I come in tonight and what do I hear, the same old tired shibboleths. Have the lessons of the past years/decades so completely eluded us?

Bhagwati indeed. Needs a swift kick into the BOB. This is the sort of nonsense that has destroyed the Indian economy through the 70’s & 80’s and now recently. And to back it up SS has crawled out of the wood work to proclaim the virtues of a knowledge economy. What nonsense. Needs a swift kick into the Arabian sea while we are at it. Yes we can be a service oriented economy but what miracle beast is this knowledge economy!! These egg heads don’t listen to reason from anyone and GOI is resistant to learning in any form as I unfortunately know up close. None of these dudder heads have sweated through Indias furnace like heat building railway lines and steel factories or even planting a rice paddy. They have no idea how the economy runs. The climate of India is a huge strike against us not a positive. It is tough to build any modern economy in Sub-Tropical conditions. AFAIK we are the only ones trying. Even Brazil is concentrated near cooler Rio de Janeiro and Thailand & Malaysia are more Tropical proper.

We need foreign capital, no doubts about it. But as Suraj has posted extensively foreign capital never gave up on India. FDI remains strong though, of course it could get stronger. Foreign companies have no intention of abandoning India baring stupid GOI nationalistic moves which are unfortunately never far away. The cold war runs strong for some folks still.

And we certainly don’t need a curtailment of government expenditure. This would be disastrous for the Indian economy. Something it will take years to recover from. The problem has been the nature of government investment. Too much has gone to entitlements and not enough to infrastructure and capacity increase. GOI needs to expand spending. Dramatically. Prime the pump if you will as the private sector is not spending. Spend like water to get projects like DFC, POSCO, Metro, CIL, NTPC, IR, etc to expand production and produce more. Cities should be funded with no limits for infrastructure projects, Roads, Sewer lines, Water projects. Only the government can spend the money needed.

One little data point. The DFC full network all the way to Chennai and Bengluru and HBad will require an investment well north of 120,000 Crores. One project. So where is this money going to come from. Only the government can fund this. This needs to be done within the next 5-10 years. All by itself this project alone will cost more than the NREGA. How can inflation come down till it is up and running?? Any answers.

WRT inflation we are going to have to steel up and endure this fire. As long as the spending goes to investment and capacity increase we will come out shinier and stronger like steel on the other side. It should be noted that during China’s economic blurp, during some periods inflation easily exceeded 25%. Yes really. This was also true of SoKo and Japan that ran staggering inflation rates well above 20% during their spurt phase. There is no way we avoid this.

What do we get instead, Wal-Mart… …bleaahh….
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perhaps he means curtailment of things like NREGA, salaries for muslim mullahs and so on but deftly didnt ruffle any sickular feathers just yet by naming them.

in every state specific slide of Namo there is promise of good rails, water and roads, so thats one of his core agenda.
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Theo,

Knowledge economy does not mean service economy. SoKo is a manufacturing giant and AFAIK 95% of the working population is technically qualified (Japan at 80% IIRC). By Govt expenditure he means wasteful expansive entitlement programs. Social programs should be very focused and transparent.
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gakakkad wrote:Bhagwati is a great man.. I wouldn't mind him in as an advisor.. Bhagwati is a PhD from MIT ...more than fits my definition of half decent.. I know from my cou-djinns that the economics taught in MIT is quite rigorously quantitative ..

Most of us BRFITE's are STEM people and our bias for our kind is natural...I myself have that kind of bias..but certainly bhagwati makes a better economist than Khujliwal ...
the RBI is already in the hands of a US returned no roots kind of guy. I do not want to have both finance ministry and rbi, i.e. all strategic, political & fiscal keys in those hands.

Get an IIM professor who has been living in India, facing the Indian bureacracy every day, if you want a technocrat. However I would say that as long as the present rbi continues, finance minister should be a politician first. he should have political heft on his own not a lightweight, like rajan is.
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There are a lot of US returned guys running things in India. Lets not get paranoid. It should be based on qualifications, chemistry and there is always going to be a CCEA (should be packed with the likes of Yaswant Sinha, Swamy and Arun Shourie) and the party think-tanks to take care off.
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Supratik wrote:There are a lot of US returned guys running things in India. Lets not get paranoid. It should be based on qualifications, chemistry and there is always going to be a CCEA (should be packed with the likes of Yaswant Sinha, Swamy and Arun Shourie) and the party think-tanks to take care off.
last 10 years in India was a qualification I added, in case you missed. How would Modi or any prime ministry acquire such a chemistry when the prime minister would have lived almost his life in India?

Truth be told, MMS has turned me off such characters.
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I am not talking about personal chemistry only. The FM and PM should share the same economic goals and vision. YS, SS and AS are also good choices but if you want to make it very technical then AP is not bad either. The problem with UPA was that SG who doesn't understand a thing about economics was running the show.
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I have to agree with Virupaksha. I hope the highest official positions are manned by those who have had substantial recent exposure to Indian life. A 'Chicago Boys' like parachuted set of experts, even if they hold Indian passports, strikes me as something that may not work, simply because they lack the nuance to work within the Indian system when dropped in suddenly. An expert advisory role is fine, but not entry into officialdom. Their participation should also involve a move into Indian academia to seed their knowledge so that existing left-oriented teaching is neutralized.
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There is no need to speculate as the views of these gentlemen are posted in the article above.
They are completely out of touch with reality. BRF consensus for years and years has been the same.

AFAIK SS has been in India for a long time. Long series of meaningless lines he has sprouted. Tells me he has no idea.

Can anyone tell me how these gentlemen will get the POSCO plant built? Anyone? I see everyone studiously avoiding the issue.
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I am against an expert role like Amartya Sen. Too much opinion without responsibility. Either you put them in charge and expect returns or get someone within India. YS and AS are good choices. SS is too much of a maverick. I am not aware of any influential non-leftist economist in India. Most of academia in India is an old-boys network of leftists.
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Supratik wrote:I am against an expert role like Amartya Sen. Too much opinion without responsibility. Either you put them in charge and expect returns or get someone within India. YS and AS are good choices. SS is too much of a maverick. I am not aware of any influential non-leftist economist in India. Most of academia in India is an old-boys network of leftists.
then this is an excellent time to seed such a core. R Vaidyanathan from IIM has been right of center and public in expressing his opinions. If he is not okay, I am pretty sure that there are many such individuals. Give such influence to them and see how without patronage, those old boy networks crash.

Otherwise, the chicken or egg syndrome will persist, as long as we import.
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It isn't so hard as it's made out to be. The existing leftist old boys network thrives on the patronage of the power elite. Build an alternate node some place (pick an IIM, or some other school), patronize their center/right economic policies explicitly, and watch the leftist network wither in place.

However, this is (literally) an academic topic. Theo is right in his assertion - the emphasis in the immediate future must be on implementation on the huge range of pending projects . That doesn't require a Panagariya or a Bhagwati - it requires more E Sreedharans. For the next five years at least, I will take a legion of uber bureaucrats capable of getting things done any day, over some big name economist.
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OK, so I reread the article. AP is being considered as chief economist (adviser).
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A neo-NAC from the looks of it. If bhagwati and ss' statements reg govt expenditure is pointing towards food security bill and nrega then their comments are well founded. Massive govt spending is needed in vital infra areas such as rail, roads etc. So a refocussing and efficiency increase of current govt spending will lead to better returns.
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A new economic agenda by Subbu Swamy
To become a developed country, India’s GDP will have to grow at 12 per cent per year for at least a decade. Technically this is within reach, since it would require the rate of investment to rise from the present 28 per cent of GDP to 36 per cent
The answer is “yes” if good governance norms are properly enforced to enable the Indian economy to grow at 12 per cent per year in GDP for a decade which means efficiently deploying resources to reduce the current incremental capital output ratio from 4.0 to 3.0, and by incentivising the people to save more to increase the current rate of investment (which is domestic saving plus net foreign investment).
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I kind of agree with TF on SS..Though not on Bhagwati..

Regarding that article on Swamy's alternative views on economy , the data and models are out of touch with reality..however Swamy is correct conceptually...

While it is commons sense that increased investment and savings ratio would lead to better growth , swamy over relies on the much criticised ICOR model ... We certainly need better quantitative models..

And I certainly don't thing 150 Billion dollars is anywhere near as sufficient to provide India with a world class infra..It may barely make Bombay or Delhi world class..

It would cost probably cost 50 billion to upgrade the safety standards of Indian railway's to that of western world..and in 150billion could upgrade maybe 15% of Indian railway trains to 200 kmph speed with safety...

We need a trillion or 2 over the next decade for the whole country...

All these macro economic models etc are useful in long run only..at present they are mainly for armchair academics ...we have massive short term problems like kick starting 2200 projects which have not been cleared by GOI in the last 3 years...From Modi's speeches he is well aware of that..he does not talk of abstract econ idea's ..he talks of streamling administration and getting work done...no pee chaddi needed for that.

all this "knowledge based economy" is a meaningless buzzword onlee.. with barely 5% of population having attended college that is a distant dream...and regarding the quality of college , the less said the better...we need to be a "manufacturing-service" kind of economy..manufacturing to feed the masses and service to enhance the GDP...

We need to keep expectations realistic..we can expect Brazil or Malaysia level infra in the next decade for 50-60 urban centres..and we can expect a lot of innovation based start -ups by young people...and a per capita income of 7000-10000..

it would be unrealistic to expect massa level infra for the entire country and hope that every kid in UP/Bihar be college educated or have a reasonable chance of coming up with the next google...many areas are dirt poor and that is reality...we need to bring them basic levels stuff before all this chatter of knowledge based economy..
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There is no way namo can get away from heavy investment in infra to jumpstart growth. Thats the core of his plan, and unlike soniaji i dont think he will blindly accept any shady opinion from experts looking to obtain a neo nac foothold.
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Rupee overvalued, should trade at 70/dollar: Rajwade

The rupee weakened past the 61/dollar mark earlier this week, slipping to over one-month low, on the back of global cues and good demand for the dollar from oil importers.

Analysts in the past have maintained that the rupee is likely to stabilise around the 60 per dollar mark till the electoral verdict is out on May 16 after which the movement in the currency will depend on the kind of government that assumes power at the Centre.

However, recent pressures in the currency and an upward trajectory in consumer price inflation (CPI), or retail inflation, has led currency expert AV Rajwade to forecast a gloomy scenario for the Indian currency, which had recovered sharply after hitting a record low of 68.85 per dollar in August 2013.

Mr Rajwade told NDTV that an exchange rate of 60 per dollar is not sustainable as India's export growth has fallen steadily over the last few months, an indication that the current rate is not competitive. (Watch the full interview)

He said, "If you take RBI's real effective exchange rate (REER), which uses CPI, the rupee is overvalued by about 13-14 per cent; this suggests that for a neutral rate, exchange rate needs to be around 70."

Mr Rajwade, however, added that the rupee's fate will also be decided by foreign portfolio investors, who have been putting money into India this year on hopes of an economic revival post elections.

"If that (overseas investment) keeps coming, the rupee remains stable...the moment that money doesn't come in, the rupee comes under pressure. Instead of exporting the goods and services, we have exported our exchange rates to scores of fund managers outside India," he said.

Mr Rajwade praised RBI Governor Raghuram Rajan for succeeding in curbing the rupee volatility, but added that Dr Rajan should also be looking at fundamentals such as the competitiveness of the exchange rate.

The rupee was trading at 61.15 today versus its previous close of 61.07 amid lack of any major triggers though month-end dollar demand from oil importers could push the pair higher later in the session. (Read the full story here)
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European Union bans Indian Alphonso mangoes, vegetables from May 1
The 28-member European Union (EU) has temporarily banned the import of Alphonso mangoes, the king of fruits, and four vegetables from India from May 1, sparking protests from the Indian community, lawmakers and traders.

The recent decision by the grouping's Standing Committee on Plant Health came after 207 consignments of fruits and vegetables from India imported into the EU in 2013 were found to be contaminated by pests such as fruit flies and other quarantine pests.

The temporary ban - proposed by the European Commission and endorsed by the Committee - includes mangoes, eggplant, the taro plant, bitter gourd and snake gourd, and prohibits the import to tackle the "significant shortcomings in the phytosanitary certification system of such products exported to the EU".

Though the prohibited commodities represent less than 5 per cent of the total fresh fruits and vegetables imported into the EU from India, the potential introduction of new pests could pose a threat to EU agriculture and production, the committee noted.

UK's Defra (the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs) that is backing the ban said it was necessary due to pests which could threaten the country's 321 million pound salad crop industry of tomato and cucumber.

The UK imports nearly 16 million mangoes from India and the market for the fruit is worth nearly 6 million pounds a year.

A revision of the ban will take place before December 31, 2015.

Businesses claimed they will lose hundreds of thousands of pounds due to the ban.

Wholesalers and retailers in Indian-dominated regions of the UK have opposed the ban, which comes into effect on May 1, saying it will hit them hard.

"This is Euro-nonsense and bureaucracy gone mad. Indian mangoes have been imported to Britain for centuries. I am furious with the lack of consultation with those who will be affected by the ban," said Indian-origin MP Keith Vaz, who has written to the European Commission president after his constituents in the city of Leicester made a plea.
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