India-US Relations : News and Discussion

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 23 Sep 2014 20:16

KJo wrote:
Ardeshir wrote:No, more likely it is the Khalistani faction being propped up by padosi mulk. It makes no sense whatsoever to target Modi for 1984.
I agree with this. Must be a Khali-stani group. There are many such gurudwaras in the US.

It is to fool the Americans.
Americans dont know the difference between 1984 and 2014 and between BJP and INC

Lot of money is flowing the lawmakers from the Sikh groups who are trying to establish as an independent non partisan voice for their agenda in DC

With this protest they will raise their profile even if they make false claims and false facts

Indians have to expose this farce and also the process in US and DC where money is used to buy any audience.

With money they can create any agenda in DC and can create also international headlines.

This is an insult to the 550 m Indians who voted in India this year.

This needs to be exposed in US openly

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 23 Sep 2014 20:26

Wasn't there a Sikh outfit in New York involved in the maid Richards absconding incident?

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 23 Sep 2014 20:36

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chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 23 Sep 2014 20:46

ramana wrote:Wasn't there a Sikh outfit in New York involved in the maid Richards absconding incident?

Yes , the same one

And also some pakistani link, doorman .

Since it is hinted that protest is being funded by ISI/ there could be ISI/ link to that episode as well.

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 4#p1683604

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 23 Sep 2014 21:15

I am inclinded to agree with TSJonesJi. I hope some good substantive stuff happens behind the scenes, but at least from this line-up, its doesn't seem to me that from a strategic perspective, this visit is going to measure up. Its fine and dandy for DDM to talk about Indra Nooyi, Satya Nadella, Nikki etc as though they are demi Gods, but they don't count for anything as far as India US strategic relations go

http://www.rediff.com/news/report/modi- ... 140923.htm

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 23 Sep 2014 21:18

chaanakya wrote:
ramana wrote:Wasn't there a Sikh outfit in New York involved in the maid Richards absconding incident?
Yes , the same one And also some pakistani link, doorman . Since it is hinted that protest is being funded by ISI/ there could be ISI/ link to that episode as well.

SFJ is front of IYSF based in londonstan &Pakistan. As i mentioned earlier, they were the most violent gang in 80s and carry extreme hatred for Hindus matching islamist Jihadis.

Varoon Shekhar · Post by **Varoon Shekhar** » 23 Sep 2014 21:21

CRamS, right on, and I should have scrolled back a page or two before posting! Really, names like NYPD officer Larry Granshaw, principal Howard Kait, and teacher Jamie Kim-Ross, are, or should be, pure mud for Indians and anyone sympathetic to Kritikka. They should be pursued, even hounded, until they really pay for what they did, which was a horrible crime. That Granshaw pig acted brutally with a young girl, handcuffing her very tightly, and mocking her repeatedly. The two school officials are utter scum. Jail time of 5 years, and a lifetime ban from their field of work would be suitable punishment. I can just imagine the ordeal the girl went through.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 23 Sep 2014 21:43

Data point -- largest gurudwara. Local congressman keeps many "awards" from the gurudwara for vmarchijng in their parade even though it falls outside his constituency. No other Indian "awards" or citations. Havent finished checking his politics yet.

The sikh community is well integrated in the US political system -- they vote together, they lobby, they "award and cite", they march/celebrate, they appear in news articles regularly. Both the good ones and the pak-isi ones.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 23 Sep 2014 23:18

In the Telegraph article posted above

New Delhi has told Washington it does not want the initiative — which has figured in every meeting between the chief executives of the two nations since 2009 — on the agenda when Modi meets Obama, senior officials involved with the Prime Minister’s visit have confirmed to The Telegraph.

The writer is oblivious that every meeting featured this agreement but there is no concrete progress. And Modi must have good reasons to scuttle or change the agreement. Anything MMS did is suspect after the many revelations by Baru/Notwar and others forthcoming.

Its not good for Telegraph to beat the Congress/MMS dandora.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 23 Sep 2014 23:33

People make way too much of these "strategic" things. I think today the Leaders are just puffing themselves up to seem very important. The only "strategic" decisions that are up to the leaders are whether to go to war or not- yes, they can be idiotic enough to get into a war.

Everything else is either grassroots mango ppl, or corporate bigwigs deciding to start one project or another.

OK< there are exceptions. When NaMo decides to put pakistans all over India, that is Strategic. To a lesser extent, the decision to give bank accounts so that all can sit in the pakistans and do bank transactions from there via mobile phone rather than stand in line at Ishtate Bank oph India.

Beyond that, perhaps the signing of agreeements to Remove Guvrmand Obstacles is strategic. Again, that relates to the Leaders divesting power and getting out of where they had no bijnej, not actually doing something proactive.

So I think the real job of the Leaders is to fly around and waste gas, and try to do the least harm.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 24 Sep 2014 07:16

This Nimbu Pani bijnej is rather worrying. How does Da Man stay alert and energetic through a phoren trip, meeting with as bogus a crowd as he will have to deal with in DupleeCity, all on a glass or two of Nimbu Pani a day? I have the greatest respect for the rigor of his Navaratri Vrata esp. as he seeks the Devi's blessings to overcome the Mahishasuras of DC ignorance, but I hope he looks after his health properly.

OTOH, Nimbu Pani is fine, I HOPE he doesn't have any Morarjiesque tendencies, and if he does, I do hope he keeps those to himself. It took a loooong time to live down the falllout from the revelations on Chateau Morarjiola...

Then again, if NaMO buys his Nimbu Pani from the Misses BO Lemonade Stand at uber-inflated prices, he will probably have cemented the Strategic Relationship for the next two years, which is two years longer than any NASA Strategic Plan lives.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 24 Sep 2014 08:35

UlanBatori wrote:This Nimbu Pani bijnej is rather worrying. How does Da Man stay alert and energetic through a phoren trip, meeting with as bogus a crowd as he will have to deal with in DupleeCity, all on a glass or two of Nimbu Pani a day? I have the greatest respect for the rigor of his Navaratri Vrata esp. as he seeks the Devi's blessings to overcome the Mahishasuras of DC ignorance, but I hope he looks after his health properly.

OTOH, Nimbu Pani is fine, I HOPE he doesn't have any Morarjiesque tendencies, and if he does, I do hope he keeps those to himself. It took a loooong time to live down the falllout from the revelations on Chateau Morarjiola...

Then again, if NaMO buys his Nimbu Pani from the Misses BO Lemonade Stand at uber-inflated prices, he will probably have cemented the Strategic Relationship for the next two years, which is two years longer than any NASA Strategic Plan lives.

Fasting during festivals is common. There is noithing to worry about. I went months in graduate school mostly on water alone, on a whim -- the reasons were not religious. The hon PM has been doing it all his life, breaking the tradition may upset his system worse.

There was no state dinner on the cards. Rest should not matter.

Anyone have a visit schedule handy? Its a normal summit, lets see if we can keep the weird out.

ps -- chateau morarji is also bad only when indians do it. but lets let the sleeping dogs lie.

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 24 Sep 2014 08:46

UlanBatori wrote:This Nimbu Pani bijnej is rather worrying. How does Da Man stay alert and energetic through a phoren trip, meeting with as bogus a crowd as he will have to deal with in DupleeCity, all on a glass or two of Nimbu Pani a day? I have the greatest respect for the rigor of his Navaratri Vrata esp. as he seeks the Devi's blessings to overcome the Mahishasuras of DC ignorance, but I hope he looks after his health properly.

OTOH, Nimbu Pani is fine, I HOPE he doesn't have any Morarjiesque tendencies, and if he does, I do hope he keeps those to himself. It took a loooong time to live down the falllout from the revelations on Chateau Morarjiola...

Then again, if NaMO buys his Nimbu Pani from the Misses BO Lemonade Stand at uber-inflated prices, he will probably have cemented the Strategic Relationship for the next two years, which is two years longer than any NASA Strategic Plan lives.

I can't believe you are worried about this. The fast is for three? days for cryin out loud. Nothing is going to be signed while he is in DC, no agreements have been made. Puleeeze..........

member_23692 · Post by **member_23692** » 24 Sep 2014 09:01

TSJones wrote:
UlanBatori wrote:This Nimbu Pani bijnej is rather worrying. How does Da Man stay alert and energetic through a phoren trip, meeting with as bogus a crowd as he will have to deal with in DupleeCity, all on a glass or two of Nimbu Pani a day? I have the greatest respect for the rigor of his Navaratri Vrata esp. as he seeks the Devi's blessings to overcome the Mahishasuras of DC ignorance, but I hope he looks after his health properly.

OTOH, Nimbu Pani is fine, I HOPE he doesn't have any Morarjiesque tendencies, and if he does, I do hope he keeps those to himself. It took a loooong time to live down the falllout from the revelations on Chateau Morarjiola...

Then again, if NaMO buys his Nimbu Pani from the Misses BO Lemonade Stand at uber-inflated prices, he will probably have cemented the Strategic Relationship for the next two years, which is two years longer than any NASA Strategic Plan lives.
I can't believe you are worried about this. The fast is for three? days for cryin out loud. Nothing is going to be signed while he is in DC, no agreements have been made. Puleeeze..........

Thomas Samuel,

Right about the moment that the world press is grudgingly announcing that the Indian spacecraft has just successfully made Martian orbit, this is what you have to say.

Remembering myself as a 7 year old, shaking with excitement, sitting in the interior of India, without television, sticking my one ear all the way into the speakers of a short wave radio, straining to listen to the live commentary of the moon landing in 1969, I am ashamed today to call you a fellow human being.

And I say that as someone who bashes India and Indians regularly and harshly for reasons I consider justifiable.

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 24 Sep 2014 09:11

Right about the moment that the world press is grudgingly announcing that the Indian spacecraft has just successfully made Martian orbit, this is what you have to say.

That is what I have to say concerning Modi's visit to Washington, Yes.

I prefer to keep politics out of science and discovery, however. Unlike some of you. Including gratuitous, Bull Sh*t comments about NASA who must dance to US congressional whims. They control the check book. And the Mongol From Nowhere knows it too.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 24 Sep 2014 09:13

I think this fasting business is also a slap in the US admins face, a quid pro quo for the visa episode.

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 24 Sep 2014 09:19

Paul wrote:I think this fasting business is also a slap in the US admins face, a quid pro quo for the visa episode.

According to media sources Modi has always fasted for this religious occasion. The US is certainly not insulted. Hey, it's a cheap date so to speak.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 24 Sep 2014 09:35

TSJones wrote:
Paul wrote:I think this fasting business is also a slap in the US admins face, a quid pro quo for the visa episode.
According to media sources Modi has always fasted for this religious occasion. The US is certainly not insulted. Hey, it's a cheap date so to speak.

Correct. He has been doing this without fail for the past 40 or so years. No slaps to anyone, that is not his style in any case.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 24 Sep 2014 09:38

Modi may be effecient in getting things done and also have very precise symbolism in his actions. But that does not mean every one of is actions is a symbolic "this" or a symbolic "that".

Here is an Unkil Analogy :Unkil is known to kill leaders of banana republics here and there. That does not mean every leader dead in a banana republic is due to unkil.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 24 Sep 2014 10:02

Any BRitEs attending party at Modi-Saan Garden, NYC?

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 24 Sep 2014 10:04

Less chance of being fed an indigestible substance!

member_28714 · Post by **member_28714** » 24 Sep 2014 15:44

I am terribly worried about the event at Madison Square garden. The building sits atop Penn Station, new yorks largest train station. From subways to inter state trains come in there and move probably a hundred thousand people every hour. Security is pathetically bad. All a mad mulla needs to do is send in 100 kg's of C4 with a timer in one of the trains from some obscure station outside the state. Most stations outside of Manhattan dont even have a cop manning it. I cannot understand why this was agreed to.

Other New Yorkers, your thoughts please.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 24 Sep 2014 16:04

An event of particularly high chutzpah, but I have to admire it. More ppl WANTED to go there, than wanted to see the Pope and Kareem Abdul Jabbar and Cassius Clay/Mohammed Ali all put together. I think the main assurance of security is that the whole thing was put together at such short notice and by such a diverse crowd that there is the usual desi-level of certainty about timings. Only extemporaneous initiatives could be considered, and those run the usual extreme levels of risk associated with NY these days.

How do the Saudis assure security at the annual gathering in Mecca I wonder. Surely by not keeping OUT the Mad Mullahs...

Interesting research topic. There must be some strategy there to learn. Or maybe they just censor the reports on the annual death toll.

If I were attending, I would ***not*** take a backpack or big camera or boombox (I mean the sound kind, not the fugacity kind

) there.. Do wear good clean underwear: u may be on TV.

And if I were not attending, I would try not to pass through Penn station or vicinity for a day b4 and after.

My guess is that at the last minute, **they*** will install mmwave booths at the entrance and send ppl through at 3 per minute. All trains will be checked by dogs, so anything larger than a lunchbox in a BakPak will be detected. And that can only cause some noise below the main event (though that's enough to get the place evacuated and cause a few hundred stampede deaths).

Probably all the trains will be very late that day, thus defeating any automatic timer schemes. As for cellphone activations, ha! With 80,000 desis all yakking on the phones at the same time, throughout the day, what are the chances of getting a signal through to a BakPak?

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saip · Post by **saip** » 24 Sep 2014 20:10

Jhujar wrote:Any BRitEs attending party at Modi-Saan Garden, NYC?

Tickets are by lottery. Some of my relatives are going. Out of six who applied only three got the tickets.

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 24 Sep 2014 20:27

saip wrote:
Jhujar wrote:Any BRitEs attending party at Modi-Saan Garden, NYC?

Tickets are by lottery. Some of my relatives are going. Out of six who applied only three got the tickets.

I got ticket and I am going

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 24 Sep 2014 21:42

Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s Visit to the United States - Brookings

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 24 Sep 2014 21:57

This is what these ppl do all day? All this gas about someone coming over and not even being able to eat.
Suddenly, posting on the Internet doesn't seem like the waste of time that it is, anymore. At least I can do that sitting in my chaddis, don't have to have a noose around my neck and lights in my face as I sprout nonsense, like these.

member_28714 · Post by **member_28714** » 24 Sep 2014 23:29

UlanBatori wrote:This is what these ppl do all day? All this gas about someone coming over and not even being able to eat.
Suddenly, posting on the Internet doesn't seem like the waste of time that it is, anymore. At least I can do that sitting in my chaddis, don't have to have a noose around my neck and lights in my face as I sprout nonsense, like these.

you watched two hours of that?

vishvak · Post by **vishvak** » 24 Sep 2014 23:41

Shreeman wrote:Data point -- largest gurudwara. Local congressman keeps many "awards" from the gurudwara for vmarchijng in their parade even though it falls outside his constituency. No other Indian "awards" or citations. Havent finished checking his politics yet.

The sikh community is well integrated in the US political system -- they vote together, they lobby, they "award and cite", they march/celebrate, they appear in news articles regularly. Both the good ones and the pak-isi ones.

Hindus need to gather up, too.

Make a point to demand draft versions of 'International religious prosecution' act - or what was that - which was used to deny VISA to Modi. Take out a rally, get Indians to know what happened in the famed USA Senate and behind the scenes.

That document was mauled by various interest groups (including religious) to its present state and then selectively misused.

Don't forget that Hindus can be target of schemers running circles and practice barbarism at times when some minority is in vulnerable state. Get Sikhs who are experienced in too, but keep 'south asians' away -who did nothing to make accusations go away on the Indian PM.

By the way, not sure if Modi will get VISA but for UN summit. Remind people of DK arrest and Krittika abuse case.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 24 Sep 2014 23:42

Cabinet clears MoUs to be signed with US during Modi visit

[ + ] 21:32 HRS IST
New Delhi, Sep 24 (PTI) The Union Cabinet today gave its nod to signing of six MoUs in sectors including education, environment, gas and space science between India and the US ahead of Prime Minister Narendra Modi's visit to that country beginning tomorrow.

Briefing reporters after the Cabinet meeting, Union Minister Ravi Shankar Prasad said India favoured good relations with the US and the decisions taken today are a pointer in this direction.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 24 Sep 2014 23:51

UlanBatori wrote:This is what these ppl do all day? All this gas about someone coming over and not even being able to eat.
Suddenly, posting on the Internet doesn't seem like the waste of time that it is, anymore. At least I can do that sitting in my chaddis, don't have to have a noose around my neck and lights in my face as I sprout nonsense, like these.

Yeah the Brookings talk was a bit excessive, but overall it is reflective of the US looking to capitalize on Chinese territorial stupidity. Sun Tzu and all their other ancient Chinese "strategists" didn't really have a strategy. It was just some egotistical theatrics to pressurize others into concessions which had the habit of backfiring. They still haven't learned anything.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 25 Sep 2014 00:19

you watched two hours of that?

Oh, there was a video there?

MoUs in sectors including gas

Says it all, they must mean exchanging Brookings gasbags for JNU gasbags.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 25 Sep 2014 02:01

MOU on gas is the shale gas trade.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 25 Sep 2014 08:04

The same turds who stayed SILENT during the sangeetha richards affair are crawling out of the woodwork and from under damp rocks, vying with one another to give NaMo gratuitous advice.

Why should NaMo or even India give a crap about what these morons think??

Modi should use this visit to repair faltering India-US ties: Commentators

Washington: As the US prepares to welcome Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi on a landmark visit this week, several commentators have suggested ways of what they call kick-starting the US-Indian strategic partnership.
Prime Minister Narendra Modi. PTIPrime Minister Narendra Modi. PTI
Modi's visit to Washington will provide the two countries with "a golden opportunity to repair their faltering partnership," wrote Ashley J Tellis, senior associate at Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, a leading Washington think tank.
Tellis, who was involved as an adviser in negotiating the civil nuclear agreement with India, wrote, "Modi can, through the conduct of his diplomacy during this visit, do the three things necessary to renew bilateral ties in their most fundamental terms."
"First, Modi must build personal relationships with key interlocutors," he suggests.
Modi's second task is to rejuvenate the concept of "strategic partnership," Tellis wrote noting during then Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee's tenure, the US-Indian relationship acquired genuine depth for the first time since the 1962 Sino-Indian War.
Modi's third task during his visit will be to co-opt American civil society to support India's development, he said.
"What the US-Indian relationship desperately needs for lasting success at this juncture is not more activities, regardless of how valuable or well-intentioned those may be," Tellis wrote.
"Rather," President Barack Obama and Modi "should seek a genuine rediscovery and reaffirmation of the fundamentals that brought the two countries together in the first place."
Writing in the Wall Street Journal, Daniel Twining, senior fellow for Asia at the German Marshall Fund of the United States, suggested "America anticipates an Indian resurgence that could tilt Asia's power balance in a democratic direction and drive global growth."
Obama and Modi, he said, "should embrace an agenda that strengthens their role as democratic and economic counterweights to growing global disorder."
"A thriving India could also uplift the region, including troubled Pakistan. As sectarian violence engulfs the Middle East, India and its nearly 200 million Muslims exemplify relative tolerance," Twining wrote.
"The United States has a considerable stake in India's success," he wrote. "Modi urgently needs to revitalize India's economic fortunes and manage pressing security challenges. For both he could use, and deserves, American help."
Richard M. Rossow, the Wadhwani Chair in US-India Policy Studies at the Centre for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), a Washington think tank noted that since Modi's election people have been wondering whether his development record in Gujarat can be replicated nationally.
"Most people take this to be a polar question-either 'yes' or 'no.' The reality is likely to be somewhere in between," he wrote in a commentary.
"There will be a stronger emphasis on the economy, greater direction in policymaking, and faster decision-making. India will not be completely transformed overnight, or even within five years," Rossow wrote.
"But the business environment will improve quite a bit. The biggest transformation is likely to occur in a critical 'Arc of Industry,' an important block of states in western and central India that will likely be controlled by the BJP and allies, and which contain key productive assets," he suggested.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 25 Sep 2014 08:27

Before leaving NM is launching a "make in India" campaign here in India. He is more interested in meeting the top money bags of US than meet Obomber. Further he is not a person who gets carried away by stupidity like lot of musharrafs in media etc. He meets people to know them and use them in case of need. As a nation we need to have all options open to us to develop our capabilities. If US money bags wish to develop their investment opportunities in India then they will respond positively. If they do not wish then they won't.

China failed meeting our expectations, which is hardly surprising. Japan - not doing ahead with Nuculear deal - which Australia has went ahead and done it is also a thing to be noted. Now it is the turn of US. The establishment and the cold warriors are being engaged. How they respond is the question.

Personally I am more interested how NM trys to get UN Security Counsel seat for India. I have a strong feeling that he may make a serious effort now. Of course the hope and expectations make us predict wrongly.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 25 Sep 2014 08:29

UN security council seat is a pipedream. As long as Anglos have any amount of fight left in them, they will not let it happen.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 25 Sep 2014 09:23

The bania agenda pf the US

US offers big arms contract, tech to India

On the eve of Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s US visit, the Pentagon has offered to jointly develop or manufacture 34 state-of-the-art weapon systems and technologies with India including the Javelin anti-tank missile and the Scorpion mutation bomb.

The deal for the Javelin, an infra-red guided missile with a range of nearly 5km that has been used in Afghanistan and Iraq, will include full transfer of technology. It features software that allows the missile to seek, track and destroy tanks. Earlier, India had been considering the purchase of Javelins worth $4billion.

According to the South Block officials, Bharat Dynamics Limited will be involved in the co-production of the Javelin and will also co-develop the next generation of the missile. The offer to build and develop the missile jointly was first made by President Barack Obama to Modi in a letter in July.

The Americans have also offered co-production of Textron-manufactured micro-observers or unattended ground sensors for deployment on the border, and co-development of the Scorpion, a bomb that has in-built sensors that allow command centres to accurately target enemy convoys.

Another weapon that has been offered for co-production is the 120mm canon gun made by ATK.

It is also understood that after a long delay, India is all set to acquire 24 Apache Longbow attack helicopters and 16 Chinook heavy lift helicopters under the foreign military sales route that involves government-to-government sale.

Indian and US diplomatic sources said that the Pentagon offers came during the September 22-25 meeting in Washington between a four-member Indian team led by defence production secretary G Mohan Kumar and US under secretary for acquisition and technologies Frank Kendall.

Modi will renew the 10-year-old bilateral defence framework for five more years during his visit and defence minister Arun Jaitley is expected to meet his US counterpart Chuck Hagel on October 8 after the IMF-World Bank meetings on the previous two days. The meeting between Jaitley and Hagel is expected to be attended by Gen Martin Dempsey, Chairman, joint chiefs of staff committee and commerce secretary Penny Priztker.

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 25 Sep 2014 09:52

LokeshC wrote:UN security council seat is a pipedream. As long as Anglos have any amount of fight left in them, they will not let it happen.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 07129.html

Obama endorses India for U.N. Security Council seat

and also IIRC, the UK also supports this.

duh..........

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 25 Sep 2014 09:57

TSJones wrote:
LokeshC wrote:UN security council seat is a pipedream. As long as Anglos have any amount of fight left in them, they will not let it happen.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 07129.html

Obama endorses India for U.N. Security Council seat
and also IIRC, the UK also supports this.

duh..........

They don't mean it.

They just want our money.

SDREs are not wanted in the security council