India-US relations: News and Discussions III

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 25 Sep 2016 12:35

G.Sarkar, Turns out shooter was Turkish Muslim. He supports Hillary.
Just like Mateen father.

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 25 Sep 2016 12:44

Ramanaji,
Believe me or not, there will be some Pak connection when the shooter's background is checked.
Gautam

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 25 Sep 2016 19:59

mentally ill minorities in the US like to hit, knock out, assault, rape, rob white women. it's the thing to do.

the Turk Muslim killed 4 of them in a Macy's store. plus one random male.

also quite popular is killing south Asian clerks in convenience stores.

a liberal is a person who hasn't been mugged, raped, or had a ghetto beat down yet.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 25 Sep 2016 21:47

TSJones wrote:mentally ill minorities in the US like to hit, knock out, assault, rape, rob white women. it's the thing to do.

the Turk Muslim killed 4 of them in a Macy's store. plus one random male.

also quite popular is killing south Asian clerks in convenience stores.

a liberal is a person who hasn't been mugged, raped, or had a ghetto beat down yet.

funny thing is sympathy of US MSM lies always with the perpetrator than the victim in these cases.

habal · Post by **habal** » 25 Sep 2016 21:49

US supports ISIS outside and racist inside.

GShankar · Post by **GShankar** » 25 Sep 2016 21:59

In my Facebook wall, I occasionally see posts of "US Consulate General Chennai" is doing part of their outreach program. Some of the things I have seen are

1) US State department (and allied) folks meeting Indian students and Indian NGOs
2) US Consulate General organizing seminars on how US protects human (minority) rights
3) "Study in USA" seminars

I am assuming all US Consulates and Embassies will do similar things. Does anyone know if other embassies also do similar "outreach" programs?

Additionally I also know about a certain "someone", who is a journalist, being sponsored to a few US programs. One was a "fellowship" program from a non-profit media institute and another from the state department about "International Visitor Leadership Programme" - https://eca.state.gov/ivlp

I think I get it that these programs help US in long term from a soft power standpoint.

But any thoughts from you all on how these things help US tactically?

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 25 Sep 2016 22:24

vijayk wrote: funny thing is sympathy of US MSM lies always with the perpetrator than the victim in these cases.

and you don't dare speak out about it either or you will be a...a.....raychisssssst.....

LokeshC · Post by **LokeshC** » 25 Sep 2016 22:41

Today I learnt that Ted Bundy was a mentally ill "minority". So was BTK. So was Diane Downs. And of course who can forget the recent Christy Sheats

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 25 Sep 2016 23:23

never mind the fact that certain minority crime is out of proportion compared to other population segments. it's the greatest animal farm tabboo of our generation.

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 25 Sep 2016 23:38

Looks like now US along with Europe are facing terror attacks on ~~Monthly~~ ~~Weekly~~ daily basis. Just read somewhere that US has further admitted 10,000 syrian refugees. Wonder where have have those gone who used to give example of US by saying it always protects its interests.

LokeshC · Post by **LokeshC** » 26 Sep 2016 00:12

Since you guys allegedly "know" how to read (and also congrats on thread derailment):

http://usuncut.com/black-lives-matter/b ... ack-crime/

Warning: It has tables and statistics. May need some more skills. Please ignore if you want to remain ignorant:

Pliss to look at point (4).

Bought to you by your own Free Bird Institute and what not.

My last post on this.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 26 Sep 2016 00:30

darshhan wrote:Looks like now US along with Europe are facing terror attacks on ~~Monthly~~ ~~Weekly~~ daily basis. Just read somewhere that US has further admitted 10,000 syrian refugees. Wonder where have have those gone who used to give example of US by saying it always protects its interests.

MSNBC, the paragon of liberalism does not even cover the arrest of the Mall shooter. Too busy with Billary Clinton mania

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 26 Sep 2016 00:30

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/2 ... 59776.html

Violence against women is a terrible social problem-perhaps we indeed need to look at immigrants in the USA.

Them immigrants do keep busy-where do they get the time to rob decent Christian folk and scam welfare benefits.

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 26 Sep 2016 00:51

LC,

Stats is a dangerous game.

That table does not refer to race distribution. This topic had been there for decades. Obama had addressed this issue as it specifically applies to afro-americans, very early in his first term. And he has not brought it up since. Tell you something.

Black life matter specifically addresses law enforcement dealings with afro-Americans. Which is not the same as black on black incidents. IMHO both are equally serious problems that need to be addressed.

LokeshC · Post by **LokeshC** » 26 Sep 2016 01:00

I knew someone would bring that up

. We are missing the forest for the trees. White on White crime is more than Black on Black crime....

Anyway you cut it, the fact is there are more white perps against white women. It should be pretty obvious as to why. Also the numbers faaar exceed any other race, again pretty obvious.

Racism and selective memory goes deeep in our psyche. It does not matter who does the killing, the women are dead, or raped or injured. That is the problem. Punishing the "minority" or making laws that enforce bigotted beliefs (such as that was spewed on here) wont really resolve it.

Anyway this is all very OT topic on India US rel (it really has nothing to do with India).

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 26 Sep 2016 01:13

Guys, before I post anything false and give it publicity, is it true that latest US state department issued an equal equal statement about Uri, saying some crap about "both sides" resolve issues bilaterally. And there was no mention of Uri attack by Pakis? If true, where does that leave ModiJi's gambit to isolate TSP? I mean as Amarullah Saleh eloquently pointed out, India, Afghanistan, and Bangladesh isolating TSP is not going to hurt TSP RAPE, unless Uncle and his lackeys join in, it won't inflict the requisite pain (of course, that India must revoke MFN, label TSP a terror state, co-opt Afghanistan and BD to boycott SAARC or throw TSP out etc are necessary however minuscule the effect). Not that even if US mentioned TSP by name, it would make a huge difference, but at least TSP RAPE who crave for equal equal would have been embarrassed. But with US doing the customary equal equal, even that is off the table.

One legal question, and Perkowich alluded to this. Given that TSP attacked Indian army in Uri and not a civilian target, can that attack be technically termed a "terrorist" attack? Does western media, in particular Uncle's mouthpieces like Fox/CNN describe the TSP attack that took out CIA officers a while back as a terrorist attack? Ditto the attack by TSP-sponsored Talibunnies that took out some honchos from the elite Navy seal unit that got OBL? Did CNN/Fox refer to that as a terrorist attack? I can't recall.

But one thing for sure. TSP's tactical gambit, like many others before failed, although they have managed to cover their arses pretty well to launch another attack in the future. Namely, first, they orchestrated the so called Kashmir intifada culminating in the post Wani unrest fueled in part by Indian traitors. When that did not elicit Uncle and his white lackeys' attention, they pulled off Uri with the hope that whites will sing "nuclear flash-point". That too did not pass. So now we are back with the usual equal equal circus until the next attack.

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 26 Sep 2016 01:46

(it really has nothing to do with India).

Dalit lives matter.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 26 Sep 2016 03:15

Pimping for Dems by MSM has reached to a height where they are now arguing why MSM should stay away from mentioning any scandals of Clinton. If you violate this even in passing, you are Deplorable media man of Trump. Pau Krugman to every Tom,Dick&Harry liberal are writing articles on why MSM committing a crime when they mention Clinton foundation or email.

MSNBC became FOX++ of the left.
NYT,WaPo are always pathetic
There are hundreds of MSM media sites now declaring that mentioning any follies of Clinton is a crime against the nation
Usually RW trash picks out conspiracy theories
Now LW media is the one that spins Russia/Putin DNC stories and Tump/Putin love affair w/o any proof

http://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschl ... s-n2221769
We’re Laughing at the Self-Destruction of the Media Gatekeepers

The media meltdown we are gobbling popcorn to right now is the result of two key phenomena – we normals have grown tired of the media elite’s lies, and today’s technology allows us to ignore the people who would presume to tell us what we can and cannot know. As the walls collapse around the few remaining information gates and we barbarians bypass them, gatekeeper gigs are becoming as rare as jobs for millennials with masters degrees in Feminist Interpretive Dance.

Now you media creeps are finding yourself ignored and irrelevant as America proceeds to do whatever the hell it pleases whether you like it or not. We don’t need you; we can and will get our information by ourselves. How I yearn to fill a hot tub with the salty, sweet tears of a thousand so-called journalists who decided to put their money down on progressive ideology instead on objectivity and public service. You just crapped out. That’s what you get when you always bet on hack.

Let’s savor their pain. Imagine yourself coming out of some university where you were reliably liberal and sucked-up to your pinko professors. You nodded eagerly whenever anyone said “global warming,” and you shook your head in horror whenever someone said “Men can’t have babies.” You got a job at some prominent newspaper or mainstream network, dutifully parroting the party line with perfect precision, awaiting the day when you would finally reach a level of power where you could not merely lie about and distort the news, but to actually control the news.
CARTOONS | Robert Ariail
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Then, just when you thought you were going to become a Lord of the Fourth Estate, you idiots completely overplayed your hand right when technology gave people an alternative to your old school media monopoly. You pushed us past the point of toleration just as the web created other places for us to go. And now, look at you. You’re nothing. Just a bunch of pompous, boring, nobodies without reputations, without respect, without futures.

We’re laughing at you.

When you even make up news about mental condition of terrorists to create spin that it is not Islam but guns, you lost the plot. Now you are in your own world lying,cheating, and spinning. You are no different than FOX news or Breitbart or Drudge report. Where does this stop?

BTW, I have nothing against Dems. Voted for Obama twice though he was a disappointment especially second term. Gave him money, campaigned for him. Truly, I am a Libertarian. I support Blockchain because it can bring Decentralized,Autonomous organizations that we lack. Even Facebook was caught when its content managers were manipulating data to only push up Dem news and suppress Conservative news. This behavior actually is helping RW conspiracy theorists

BajKhedawal · Post by **BajKhedawal** » 26 Sep 2016 04:47

Did anyone see the advertisement on one of the desi channels, shown on east coast? (I don't recall the event or the channel, was just passing by and the chief guest name caught my ear). Its for some desi show or parade with new yorks very best, diplomat groper pleet bhralala as chief guest!!!

Oh come election time this ABCD's "wannabe goras" will start mingling with the unwased store/gas station owners and IT coolies.

Arjun · Post by **Arjun** » 26 Sep 2016 07:37

LokeshC wrote: White on White crime is more than Black on Black crime....

Not when normalized by their respective population percentages - in fact quite far from it. Certain racial and religious minorities (not all, only particular ones) are way overrepresented in crime stats in the US and many other countries. Not sure what purpose is served by papering over this fact....it might be more useful to discuss if discrimination or social conditioning could be the underlying reason.

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 26 Sep 2016 20:53

There will be serious head scratching in Fiberal media if Trumps ends up winning

http://city-journal.org/html/normalize-14753.html

In one way, it’s not surprising that Democrats are beside themselves at the possibility of a Trump presidency. They’ve spent the last 100 years expanding the scope of executive authority, granting the federal administrative agencies the power of judge, jury, and executioner over their ever-widening dominion. If liberals and progressives didn’t want that awesome, intrusive power to fall into the wrong hands, perhaps they should have heeded the warnings of small-government conservatives, who railed for a century against the bloat, rot, and corruption they saw metastasizing within the District of Columbia

Writing in the Los Angeles Times, James Kirchick floated the possibility of a military coup to remove a President Trump from office: “Trump is not only patently unfit to be president, but a danger to America and the world.” Following the July military coup in Turkey, New York Daily News columnist and Black Lives Matter activist Shaun King tweeted that, “If Donald Trump becomes President, you are fooling yourself if you think we’re far from having a coup our own selves. I’m dead serious.”

Democrats always paint the Republican presidential candidate as evil. They believed George W. Bush to be an ignorant buffoon, but that wasn’t enough to disqualify him, so they attacked him as a racist who, in Kanye West’s words “doesn’t care about black people.” Anathematizing John McCain was harder, given his long career as the maverick Republican that Democrats could point to and say, “Why can’t they all be like him?” The fact that he was a genuine American hero didn’t stop liberal media pundits and bloggers from implying that he was “dangerous and unstable,” a “divisive, untrustworthy, and even dangerous figure,” and that he suffered from an ongoing case of post-traumatic stress disorder. Mitt Romney was easily caricatured as an out-of-touch businessman, but successfully painting him as a hater of women took effort. They had to bend over backward to declare him even “more extreme” than Bush on so-called women’s issues. They ran ads suggesting that he had caused a woman’s death.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 26 Sep 2016 23:30

US not convinced by India’s Uri terror attack evidence against Pakistan’

The reported developments were shared in an article published by The Express Tribune today. The article reads, "As Pakistan and India once again locked horns for a possible military conflict in the wake of the September 18 Uri attack, the US is believed to have been quietly pushing New Delhi to take the military option off the table.

The article mentions that the US was urging India to resolve the issue diplomatically and politically, warning that any military conflict would not serve either side. It also read that Pakistan has conveyed to the US that it does not wish to escalate tensions, but will hit back at "military adventurism" from India.

The article further claimed, "One Pakistani official privy to America's backchannel efforts revealed that Washington was not convinced with the Indian claim that Islamabad had a direct role in the Uri assault that left 18 Indian soldiers dead."

Bheeshma · Post by **Bheeshma** » 26 Sep 2016 23:46

Really?? These morons are quoting paki officials. Why not ask hafeez suar?

NRao · Post by **NRao** » 27 Sep 2016 01:10

So, where does India fit into the Trump calculus?

‘The whole chessboard’: a new document reveals Donald Trump’s financial technique in element

High level:

Donald Trump would pull the United States out of the World Trade Group if needed to support American businesses provide much more overseas. He thinks he can shut the United States’ $five hundred billion trade deficit in two yrs by renegotiating trade deals. And he sees this new method to trade as the critical complement to a bevy of classic Republican insurance policies — tax cuts, vitality drilling and deregulation introducing — that will supercharge the economic climate, according to a new campaign analysis that lays out the Republican candidate’s financial technique in the most element nevertheless.

KJo · Post by **KJo** » 27 Sep 2016 01:15

When GWB became President people hailed him as a "CEO President" hoping he would run things efficiently. But all this clown did was be a slave to the corporations and sell the people out. What will a President Trump do? Hillary will push her pro-Paki agenda and suck up to the Islamists.

Has Trump made any comments about his opinion on India?

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 27 Sep 2016 01:43

NRao wrote:So, where does India fit into the Trump calculus?

‘The whole chessboard’: a new document reveals Donald Trump’s financial technique in element

High level:

Donald Trump would pull the United States out of the World Trade Group if needed to support American businesses provide much more overseas. He thinks he can shut the United States’ $five hundred billion trade deficit in two yrs by renegotiating trade deals. And he sees this new method to trade as the critical complement to a bevy of classic Republican insurance policies — tax cuts, vitality drilling and deregulation introducing — that will supercharge the economic climate, according to a new campaign analysis that lays out the Republican candidate’s financial technique in the most element nevertheless.

WTO is dead after the arrival of TTIP and TPP. China is annoyed as a consequence. All the investments since their entry in 2001 counts to nothing.
And now the Chinks have joined the SDR. Matter of time when that becomes of even lesser consequence. China will be even more livid.

US treats China as a step child whom it hates.

krishna_krishna · Post by **krishna_krishna** » 27 Sep 2016 03:24

Senator assures zardari that bill of granting terrorist state wil not succeed:
http://www.dawn.com/news/1285963/small- ... istan-bill

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 27 Sep 2016 05:06

Austin wrote:US not convinced by India’s Uri terror attack evidence against Pakistan’
The article further claimed, "One Pakistani official privy to America's backchannel efforts revealed that Washington was not convinced with the Indian claim that Islamabad had a direct role in the Uri assault that left 18 Indian soldiers dead."

Paaaaah! Bharat and US joined at hip for coming future, Just keep signing lemoa type treaties with them, buy their outdated teens ....... while trod you under their feet while pappi-japphying porkis. Ack thoo !!!

saip · Post by **saip** » 27 Sep 2016 05:26

Manish_Sharma wrote:
Austin wrote:US not convinced by India’s Uri terror attack evidence against Pakistan’
Paaaaah! Bharat and US joined at hip for coming future, Just keep signing lemoa type treaties with them, buy their outdated teens ....... while trod you under their feet while pappi-japphying porkis. Ack thoo !!!

What is the reason for this dhothi shiver? It is a pakistani report. You expect Pakis to tell the truth?

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 27 Sep 2016 06:01

saip wrote:What is the reason for this dhothi shiver? It is a pakistani report. You expect Pakis to tell the truth?

No, but it's convenient for dhoti shiver and self-flagellation.

saip · Post by **saip** » 27 Sep 2016 06:25

Gettin pop corn. Getting ready for the debate between Jerk Vs Crook. In CA it makes no difference. So I am going to write in.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 27 Sep 2016 06:33

Please post regular impressions of the debate for the benefit of those in India.

E.g. after every 15 min segment
put Trump or Clinton + / -

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 27 Sep 2016 06:52

Clinton is leading the debate so far.

So far only Trump has mentioned China. Nothing much else regarding Indian interests.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 27 Sep 2016 06:57

Live updates from WSJ site

http://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/hillary ... ebate-2016

Highlights

Clinton Remains on the Attack
In the first 15 minutes of this debate, it is Mrs. Clinton on the attack against Mr. Trump. She has taken shots at his wealth, his position on climate change and his proposed economic policy.
Mr. Trump, in appearing to be present himself as presidential, has avoided the sort of slashing personal attacks against her that he uses with great frequency in campaign speeches.

Instead Mr. Trump is delivering his gloomy message of an America decimated by outsourcing and arguing that Mrs. Clinton is a creature of the past – reminding the audience that she has been around “for 30 years” without solving the problems he is discussing.

—Reid J. Epstein

Analysis,
Highlights

1m

Highlights

Clinton Pivots to an Attack on Trump's Remark on Housing Crisis
Mrs. Clinton gets a chance to respond, pivoting directly to an attack on Mr. Trump's remarks on the 2008-2009 housing crisis.

"Donald was one of the people who rooted for the Housing crisis," Mrs. Clinton said. "He said back in 2006, gee, I hope it does collapse because then I can go in and buy some and make some money," Mrs. Clinton said.

He retorted back, "That's called business" but let her finish her answer.

She rattles off a list of statistics about the housing crisis: 9 million people lost their jobs, 5 million people lost their homes and $13 trillion in family wealth was lost.

—Byron Tau

Highlights

2m

On Middle Class Taxes
Mrs. Clinton said Mr. Trump's tax plan would raise taxes on some middle-class families. She's right, based on the details of the plan he outlined.

That's because he would repeal the personal exemption and head-of-household filing status, which provides a larger standard deduction for single parents than for single individuals.

The result could mean tax increases for nearly eight million households with children, according to a new paper by Lily Batchelder, a New York University law professor and a former aide to Mr. Obama.

Mr. Trump’s campaign has responded by saying that he would ensure that no household faces higher tax bills or that families could choose to remain in today’s tax system. Either choice would make his tax cut—already reducing federal revenue collections by 10% over a decade—even bigger.

—Richard Rubin

Analysis

3m

Highlights

Early Sparring Over Trade and Financial Crisis
Hillary Clinton takes Donald Trump’s attack on trade policy by defending the principle of trade.

“We are 5% of the world’s population. We have to trade with the other 95%,” she says.

Donald Trump claims that other countries are cheating and threatens to impose tariffs, which is something his advisers in recent days have said would be imposed only as a last resort.

Hillary Clinton then turns to hitting on Donald Trump’s role in cheering on the housing bubble.
Mr. Trump interrupts: “That’s called business by the way.”

—Nick Timiraos

Highlights

4m

Highlights

Battle of Spin Begins
Four minutes into the debate, and the battle of spin between the two campaigns has begun. Team Clinton and Team Trump are out of the gate with dueling emails making the case for each of the candidates.

The Trump campaign weighed in first, with a release headlined, “The middle class has disappeared under the Clinton-Obama economy.” The Clinton campaign followed two minutes later with an email saying, “Clinton’s economic vision will make us stronger together” and links to her economic proposals.

-- Colleen McCain Nelson

Highlights

5m

Highlights

Trump Is Pressed: How Would He Force Companies to Bring Jobs Back to U.S.
Mr. Trump followed with his first attack on Mrs. Clinton – arguing that she is responsible for jobs being outsourced because she has been in public life for decades.

Mr. Holt pressed Mr. Trump to state how he would force companies to return jobs to the U.S. Mr. Trump said he’d place a substantial tariff on imported goods, which he said would “stop them from leaving.”

—Reid J. Epstein

Highlights

7m

Highlights

Clinton Refers to Trump's Loan From His Father
Mrs. Clinton's reference to Mr. Trump starting his business with $14 million in loans. She's referring to this story we had the other day about the ways that Mr. Trump's father helped him with his business.

First Question to Clinton: Why Are You a Better Choice Than Trump?
The first question is about jobs and it goes to Ms. Clinton. She is asked directly why she would be a better choice that Mr. Trump. Mrs. Clinton opens with a crisp, detailed list of policy proposals while also connecting the need to grow the economy with her own family's future.

"The central question in this election is really what kind of country we want to be and what kind of future we'll build together," she says, noting it's her granddaughter's second birthday.

She starts with a proposal to build new jobs — "good jobs," she says — as well as making the economy "fairer," proposing equal pay, paid family leave, earned sick days, pay and profit sharing are among them. "I want us to invest in you. I want us to invest in your future," Mrs. Clinton says.

She concludes with a plea about the stakes of the election. "You have to judge us — who can shoulder the immense, awesome responsibilities of the presidency?" she says. "I hope that I will be able to earn your vote on Nov. 8."

—Byron Tau

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 27 Sep 2016 06:59

Setting of the debate from WSJ page linked above.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 27 Sep 2016 07:01

Trump has already lost the debate. May not matter. He has the momentum in this election.

chanakyaa · Post by **chanakyaa** » 27 Sep 2016 07:05

Clinton as expected, playing it safe, Trump on offense

Trump, I'll release my tax return if Clinton releases her emails...

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 27 Sep 2016 07:07

TSJones wrote:
(it really has nothing to do with India).
Dalit lives matter.

Black, dalit, etc. All the same to the token white american brfite.

saip · Post by **saip** » 27 Sep 2016 07:08

All Lives matter.

saip · Post by **saip** » 27 Sep 2016 07:09

He hides his taxes. She hides her emails.