Understanding the United States of America (USA) - IV

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 24 Nov 2016 12:58

ssundar wrote:Considering Dems are rumored to have lobbied to get HRC into that position, selection of a better-reputed woman, a Sikh at that, is a serious snub to HRC and the Dems. This could also be a step to position her for 2024. A role in the UN puts her in the eyesight of world leaders.

Thought she had embraced Christianity sometime back..

ssundar · Post by **ssundar** » 24 Nov 2016 13:07

Kashi wrote:
ssundar wrote:Considering Dems are rumored to have lobbied to get HRC into that position, selection of a better-reputed woman, a Sikh at that, is a serious snub to HRC and the Dems. This could also be a step to position her for 2024. A role in the UN puts her in the eyesight of world leaders.
Thought she had embraced Christianity sometime back..

Likely. She was born a Sikh. Hopefully, she is not a "born again" like Mr. White Jindal.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 24 Nov 2016 13:09

46000000 turkeys to be slaughtered. No petitions by the PETA, Humane Society and other hypocrites in the US Supreme Court?

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 24 Nov 2016 13:09

Trumps margin is 50 k votes in 3 states . Credit and legitimacy to him. But hardly a landslide . All victors imagine a mandate they dont have.

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 24 Nov 2016 13:10

Kashi wrote:
ssundar wrote: a Sikh at that, is a serious snub to HRC and the Dems.
Thought she had embraced Christianity sometime back..

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/201 ... rview.html

caused a stir in her primary race for governor of South Carolina when her upbringing as a Sikh drew questions from her opponents. She occasionally visits a Sikh temple in honor of her family's tradition, but she regularly attends a Methodist church. Her new book, Can't Is Not an Option, explains her conversion to Christianity and the kinds of questions she faced as the daughter of immigrants. CT spoke with Haley about her conversion, whether Mitt Romney has a "woman problem," and how her faith influences her policy.

Rammpal · Post by **Rammpal** » 24 Nov 2016 13:30

chetak wrote:
46000000 turkeys to be slaughtered. No petitions by the PETA, Humane Society and other hypocrites in the US Supreme Court?

https://twitter.com/peta?ref_src=twsrc% ... r%5Eauthor

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 24 Nov 2016 13:52

you guys can step on our traditional holiday of thanks for freedom of religion and try to disrespect it but when it gets right down to it those birds are food.

please do enjoy your festival of lights.....

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 24 Nov 2016 14:10

thanksgiving or not, societies more on the 24x7 meat bandwagon have already reaped a bitter harvest, both in terms of health and environment....there is no stopping it. I understand in the old days in bitterly cold places , crops were hard to grow and animal protein is only option (still is for the artic or deserts)...but these days with pears from shandong and apples from NZ in every shop in blr thats no longer true.

i do believe the younger gen in massa is turning away from the 24x7 meat meat meat mode and seeking other pastures pun intended.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 24 Nov 2016 14:37

massa is changing too... plenty of shops at even rural america carry veg options. i remember many times folks would stare back at me when I ask if there's anything without meat

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 24 Nov 2016 14:45

^ true that. industrial meat is slowly coming off its peak oil curve...the kind of creatures like turkeys and chickens bred for a 6 week grow and kill cycle are abominations (like the character in hulk), way different from what their natural form is. farm chickens have about trebled in sized over the years because massa clients demand huge breast fillets...the legs find no takers in massa and are shipped to east asia. same for fish, massa == fillet only, so the neck and head of the fish is wasted or turned into animal feed which would be eaten in other parts of the world.

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 24 Nov 2016 14:54

There are 10 petroleum calories in every 1 calorie of food in the west. Unsustainable is an understatement.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 24 Nov 2016 14:57

the next blockbuster movies to focus on are

1. "And Quiet Flows the Don": a gripping bromance between the handsome Vladimir and the colourful Donaldovich
2. "Grabbing Tiger Hidden Dragon": a martial arts epic where the outlaw leader To-Lung-Pu takes on Emperor Xi

mean-e-while Trumpster has poked Theresa May by suggesting that Mr Toad can be the US Ambassador. this is either through dumbness (unlikely) or a calculated poke at poodledom to remind them who is the Daddy. Waiting to hear what he has to say about the French presidential candidates and Frau Merkel's possible 4th term nomination

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 24 Nov 2016 17:53

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrWdnlKFr5U

Watch it folks ,depicts few mannerisms recurrent on this thread.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 24 Nov 2016 18:09

in the last 50 years of commercial broiler farming the avg weight has shot by 4X
for some reason this miraculous feat could not be repeated for goats and cows else we'd be having monstrous 3 ton cows larger than rhinos...but perhaps that route was not taken as the animals would be too large to handle and manage.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 24 Nov 2016 18:10

Flag lowered so that drunken HiCfans don't break their necks climbing ladders with cigarette lighters.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 24 Nov 2016 18:11

the broilers seen in india are about the 1978 level of massa (we are always behind in high-tech)...about 2kg MTOW.

this is one TOT we need not seek *shudder* - that "creature" will not get off the ground while normal chickens can flap their wings and fly up trees.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 24 Nov 2016 18:12

The beauty of GM is that those who eat these also become 4 times the size (lateral). Maybe seat width on Indian airplanes will become slightly more?

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 24 Nov 2016 19:45

panduranghari wrote:There are 10 petroleum calories in every 1 calorie of food in the west. Unsustainable is an understatement.

suatainable in the US for the next 100 years, easily. and by that time we'll be on to new technology.

assuming there is no crash of bestern civilization and the dollar.

chicken, hogs and cattle are doomed in the next 100 years.

nobody in bestern civ will want to grow them. you will see them in zoos.

and you heard it from TSJ.

Bart S · Post by **Bart S** » 24 Nov 2016 19:57

Nothing new or remarkable about this, people have been changing animals (and for that matter vegetables see http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... -them.html) since the dawn of civilization. The industrial farming age just made the process faster and more efficient.

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 24 Nov 2016 20:14

these guys will still be around in 100 years. guaranteed.

Bushwacker. all time champion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9hvCMZpk_U

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 24 Nov 2016 20:19

everyone will eat soylent green

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 24 Nov 2016 20:23

Lalmohan wrote:everyone will eat soylent green

it will be way more sophisticated than that. and you won't be able to tell the difference from the real thing.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 24 Nov 2016 20:46

Singha wrote:the broilers seen in india are about the 1978 level of massa (we are always behind in high-tech)...about 2kg MTOW.

this is one TOT we need not seek *shudder* - that "creature" will not get off the ground while normal chickens can flap their wings and fly up trees.

broilers at that weight are generally much older birds, usually birds that have stopped laying eggs and the poultry farm owner is simply trying to maximize his profits and these heavier birds have very tough meat.

If you are buying a bird for the home table, it needs to be under a kg in weight. Godrej/venky broiler birds should be 750 to 900 odd gms, give or take. If you need more meat, buy more birds but not the heavier ones.

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 24 Nov 2016 20:52

chetak wrote:
Singha wrote:the broilers seen in india are about the 1978 level of massa (we are always behind in high-tech)...about 2kg MTOW.

this is one TOT we need not seek *shudder* - that "creature" will not get off the ground while normal chickens can flap their wings and fly up trees.
broilers at that weight are generally much older birds, usually birds that have stopped laying eggs and the poultry farm owner is simply trying to maximize his profits and these heavier birds have very tough meat.

If you are buying a bird for the home table, it needs to be under a kg in weight. Godrej/venky broiler birds should be 750 to 900 odd gms, give or take. If you need more meat, buy more birds but not the heavier ones.

spoken from personal experience? just wondering if there are any meat eaters here......

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 24 Nov 2016 21:02

all curd-rice eating dhoti shiverers onlee...

panduranghari · Post by **panduranghari** » 24 Nov 2016 21:10

TSJones wrote:
suatainable in the US for the next 100 years, easily. and by that time we'll be on to new technology.

assuming there is no crash of bestern civilization and the dollar.

chicken, hogs and cattle are doomed in the next 100 years.

nobody in bestern civ will want to grow them. you will see them in zoos.

and you heard it from TSJ.

Infinite growth on a planet with limited financial resources is mathematically impossible.

sudarshan · Post by **sudarshan** » 24 Nov 2016 21:52

panduranghari wrote: Infinite growth on a planet with limited financial resources is mathematically impossible.

So what do you think colonizing the Moon and Mars is all about? Exhaust a continent, move to another one (or three). Exhaust a planet, move to another one (or three).

LokeshC · Post by **LokeshC** » 24 Nov 2016 21:53

panduranghari wrote:There are 10 petroleum calories in every 1 calorie of food in the west. Unsustainable is an understatement.

As much as I want to agree with you, this argument is not valid because of energy density difference and also in processing efficiency differences.

GShankar · Post by **GShankar** » 24 Nov 2016 22:15

Turkey killing in massa - tradition, culture
Goat/Lamb killing for bakrid/eid - tradition, culture, religion, yalla
Sacrificing chickens/roosters/goats/lambs in temples by SDRE - what a massacre
Jallikattu - what cruelty only
Japanese killing dolphins - what cruel peeeple those japs

manju · Post by **manju** » 24 Nov 2016 22:32

UlanBatori wrote:
manju wrote:
My friend from college has married a wasp lady as his wife. Nice lady.. a prof in law school. She was very concerned with this issues. Her kids (of mixed WASP and India race) were apparently at the receiving end of this behavior in a public place.... in the heart of Mormon land in khanland
U can't deal with this by dhoti-shivering. AFAIK, the Bill of Rights has not been replaced by the Duke of alt-Rights. Learn from the Jews: Sue the pants off every sh1t-head. This is where desis need to learn to organize and focus economic, legal-brain and writing-skill powers. Make it known widely: Diss desis, face 10 years of UNRELENTING legal pursuit until stripped of everything.

agree 100% only

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 24 Nov 2016 22:33

Report: Trump not very interested in intelligence briefings
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli ... /94373872/

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 24 Nov 2016 22:57

ssundar wrote:
Dipanker wrote: Old news, she has now crossed 2 million.

It is obvious that nation as a whole has voted for her.

2016 National Popular Vote Tracker
Dipanker-ji, I have to praise your effort. You (or someone else) put together such a detailed spreadsheet to "prove" that she won and THAT spreadsheet makes it quite clear that:

1. Each candidate won almost overwhelmingly the states they carried. There wasn't a Hillary "wave".
2. Hillary's lead in popular votes comes entirely from the blindly Democratic, heavily urbanized states. That only enhances the credibility of Trump's win in main street USA that took back the country with a vengeance.

3. She did not win the "popular" vote. Her voters would vote Democrat even if you dug them out from their grave.

Credit for this spreadsheet goes to David Wasserman of Cook-Political. Eventually the data for 2016 will become available on Federal Election Commission website ( fec.gov ) once all the votes are counted and certified.

1. Agree about absence of Hillary's "wave" part. Given that Trump lost the popular vote, we can also safely conclude that there was no Trump wave either. In a wave election the winning candidate is expected to win the popular vote by a handsome margin.

Agreed that most of the Red and Blue states voted expectedly, but if you look at the margins, some of the battleground states were won/lost by wafer thin margin ( Michigan 0.2%, Wisconsin 0.8%, Pennsylvania 1.2%, Florida 1.2%). I am surprised why Hillary didn't ask for a recount/audit in these states.

2. 80% of the nation lives in the urban area, not surprising most of Hillary's vote ( or for that matter Trump's ) came from the urban area. Refer to a population density census map. Incidently 80% of the population also lives on coast or near the coast ( 40% directly in coastal counties and another 40% within an hour drive of the coast ( <= 60 miles distance ).

Don't agree with "blindly Democratic" part, the blue states often elect Republican governors whereas as the red states very rarely elect a Democratic governor.
In that respect the red states are much more "blindly Republican" compared to the blue states being "blindly Democratic".

Again Trump winning the "Main streets" of America depends on your definition of the main street. Most of this Trump's "main street" America actually lives insular rural hinterland or the deep south where race plays a big role.
I have a different definition of America's main street, American main street is where 80% of America lives.

3. "Hillary will win the popular vote" is a factual statement, we can not argue with that.

Now as far as loyalty of the voters is concerned, again historically Republicans voters have been found to be more loyal than the Democrats. I am sure you have heard of term "Reagan Democrats".
Even in this election some of the battleground states which flipped were due to these "Reagan Democrat" types voting for Trump, and some of the Democrats simply abstaining as a mark of protest.
In Michigan 90,000 ballots had blank presidential column while all down ballot boxes were marked. Hillary lost Michigan by 11,000 votes!

With an disapproval rating of 64% Trump absolutely was the worst ever candidate Republican had put up yet upto 90% of the Republicans voted for him! What could be a better example of blind party line voting than this?

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 24 Nov 2016 23:45

ab tak ye sab India me hi sunte the lekin dekha kabhi na tha

US election recount: Jill Stein raises funds to examine Wisconsin result

On Tuesday, New York magazine first reported that a group of experts, led by voting-rights lawyer John Bonifaz and J Alex Halderman, the director of the University of Michigan Center for Computer Security and Society, had contacted Mrs Clinton's campaign.
The experts urged her campaign to request recounts in two states narrowly won by Mr Trump - Wisconsin and Pennsylvania - as well as Michigan, where he has a small lead.
In a post on Medium on Wednesday, Mr Halderman repeated concerns he has voiced in the past over the vulnerabilities of paperless voting machines.
The fact that the results in the three states was different from what polls predicted was "probably not" down to hacking, Mr Halderman said. Concerns over possible Russian interference were expressed in the run-up to the vote.
"The only way to know whether a cyberattack changed the result is to closely examine the available physical evidence ," he wrote.

Unofficial results from the state showed Mr Trump won by only 27,000 votes, media in the state say. The BBC's results show he won 47.9% of the vote, with 46.9% going to Mrs Clinton (Jill Stein won only 1% of the votes there).
Before then, the state had gone with the Democrats for seven elections running.
A Clinton victory in Wisconsin alone would not have been enough to overturn Mr Trump's lead - it provides only 10 votes in the crucial electoral college that gave him victory. But wins in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania would have clinched the presidency for the Democrat.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 25 Nov 2016 00:42

notable recounts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_ ... e_recounts

Florida election recount - 2000 U.S. presidential election
Washington gubernatorial election, 2004
Vermont Auditor of Accounts election, 2006
Florida's congressional elections, 2006 - Florida's 13th congressional district
United States Senate election in Minnesota, 2008

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 25 Nov 2016 01:03

TSJones wrote:spoken from personal experience? just wondering if there are any meat eaters here......

Me, for one. Happy Thanksgiving to you sir.

For the record, I was amused to see the following sentiments expressed by a friend in India on Facebook

Happy Thanksgiving to my friends in the USA.
Thanksgiving is becoming popular in India also now.
Will start with a big thanks to this day which can help folks like me in India watch TV and have dinner with family without any office calls

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 25 Nov 2016 01:08

Happy Thanksgiving to you and family, Mr. Jones.

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 25 Nov 2016 01:16

UlanBatori wrote:I hear that Gov. Nikki Haley of South Carolina has been appointed as UN Amby. Good news I suppose - though the post has not seen anyone with any depth or class for decades. This is a classy Governor who has excelled in a particularly tough neighborhood and done it quietly in a place known for loudmouthed corrupt idiots.

If true it shows that DT govt is seriously outclassing BO regime in picking REALLY good people for jobs rather than just picking convenient ass-kissing "quota tokens".

Bit more subtlety here. She didn't support him initially but her deputy did. With this appointment, POTUSE Trump gets to put in a non-white, female to a big job, thereby silencing critics that say he's anti-women, anti-brown etc. On top of that, since she's now the new UN Ambassador, her former deputy gets promoted to Governor, which means one more Governor of a state on the side of Trump.

Surprised no one has talked much about his other female appointee: Betsy DeVos. She's married to a heir of the Amway fortune and is worth several billion dollars. Incidentally, she's also the sister of Erik Prince of Blackwater/Xe fame.

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 25 Nov 2016 01:20

ArmenT wrote:

For the record, I was amused to see the following sentiments expressed by a friend in India on Facebook
Happy Thanksgiving to my friends in the USA.
Thanksgiving is becoming popular in India also now.
Will start with a big thanks to this day which can help folks like me in India watch TV and have dinner with family without any office calls

This is true. Many MNC employees see this as a day of break from the 12-15 hrs work schedule
They celebrate the day as a day of thanks for the holiday even though it is not a official holiday and they have a vegetarian Thanksgiving day.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 25 Nov 2016 01:37

ArmenT wrote: Happy Thanksgiving to my friends in the USA.
Thanksgiving is becoming popular in India also now.
Will start with a big thanks to this day which can help folks like me in India watch TV and have dinner with family without any office calls

where in India? Thanksgiving is uniquely new world and tied to specific history.

maybe he just got 2 days off as most of his work counterparts in US also took 2 days off.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 25 Nov 2016 01:39

The guy won by 1% or more. What is the basis for demanding recount? Just having money? I thought the max difference was 0.5%. And the funding is being raised by Stein who got 1% - someone stole her other 49 percent, hain? If this isn't political-bribe shenanigans with foreign funding (Stein is Greens Party meaning Soros funding) I don't know what is. Seems like this is the slip-up that enables the FBI to file charges.