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nageshks wrote:Okay - this is just a theory. Massa wants the MMS government to do/give something. MMS government is not willing/able to do it. So - they humiliate a establishment diplomat as a show of what awaits the rest when they have to migrate to Khanland. After all, if NaMo comes to power and goes after the corrupt, then several top honchos in our establishment want to keep a place open in Khanland. And Khan is demonstrating that all that may not materialise after NaMo comes to power, if Khan does not get what it wants from the MMS government. So - this public humiliation of an establishment diplomat.

Thats no theory but the deduction. Its clear as lot of things are goinn on this very week.
- Karzai visit to India to get arms
- He got non lethal arms and increase in training
- Sujatha Singh visits US and asks for David Headley
- The don't tell her and arrest her sub-ordinate and humilate her going beyond necessary steps.
- They pretend to regret knowing all they while they had exceeded the powers

Congress lost the four states and is on weak wicket so to speak and a whole slew of purchases are hung up.

Dassault and Reliance agreed to make the wings and let HAL be the lead integrator of the Rafale.

Maybe they want Cashmere to be handed over as its Kerrorist reward. Recall Shkar Dupatta's tirades against Indian Army in J&K.

Modi by standing with khobargade has shown he stands for India.

He might proclaim a truth and recociliation program so the dont have to be at mercy of foreign crooks who will steal their money and get them arrested for petty crimes. Or unleash murderers like in Libya or Somalia.
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Is the DK episode a hunt for replacements? she has a lot of career left

When India nabbed US spy, gave safe passage
The government has reacted with uncharacteristic fury to the ill-treatment of Devyani Khobragade by US authorities but in 2006, it had facilitated an American diplomat's safe passage from the country after she was caught in a snooping case that involved top officials of the National Security Council secretariat (NSCS) under the Prime Minister's Office.

The alleged American spy ring had penetrated the NSCS and the Research and Analysis Wing (RAW), the country's external intelligence agency, and taken out classified files on a regular basis.

Rosanna Minchew, the then third secretary in the US embassy, was the key American agent who allegedly sourced vital information on RAW, Intelligence Bureau and Military Intelligence from the National Security Council, which is chaired by the Prime Minister.

Minchew chose to engage her contacts in far-off places like Mumbai and Kolkata to escape the prying eyes of Indian counterintelligence sleuths. In December 2005, an official of the NSCS, SS Paul, went to Kolkata to meet Minchew as "nobody could doubt them".

Minchew had introduced another American woman to her Indian friends, but neither Minchew nor any other American involved in the spy ring were apprehended. In fact, when the police chargesheet was filed, India ensured safe passage to Minchew who was sent back to the US.

After the racket was busted, Delhi Police arrested NSCS official Mukesh Saini, then head of the National Information Security Coordination Cell of the NSCS which collates intelligence and strategic assessment sent by the IB, RAW, ministry of external affairs, Defence Intelligence Agency and MI. Later, the police arrested Brigadier (retired) Ujjawal Dasgupta, then director in RAW, and S S Paul, the computer analyst at NSCS.

According to the chargesheet, Dasgupta and Saini had regular meetings with Minchew at several places in the Capital and its outskirts — at least 15 times in a month since September 2005. The involvement of Dasgupta and Saini with the American diplomat showed a systematic leak was allegedly organized at the highest level in the NSCS.

Paul had told investigators that he brought out "secret data" from the NSCS allegedly at the instructions of Dasgupta and Saini and that both were present in the meetings that he had with the American diplomat.

Investigations had revealed that Saini's appointment in the NSCS was under cloud as some adverse reports were available against him prior to his appointment. He had allegedly been meeting CIA agents without informing his seniors in the agency during his tenure in New York when he was posted there by RAW. He had also allegedly got his wife a job with a US company without informing the government.

For any appointment to the NSCS, the national security advisor has to give a clearance after a person is recommended from his parent organization.
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Let me have a wet dream about the potential actions we *could* take, if we meant business:

a) Expose CIA agents like station chiefs

b) Arrest a couple of US diplomats & cavity search them on some misdemeanor/felony charges. There are so many Indian laws that it will be easy to nail them with something. Humiliate them by handcuffing them in front of their families/children

c) Arrest US officials who gave visa to the maid's family for immigration fraud

d) Sue the US Govt for harassment - demand formal apology & monetary settlement for Devyani. Dont release any arrested US officials till the case is closed. Case against US officials will only be closed on a quid-pro-quo basis

e) Put Preet Bharrara on a blacklist from visiting India. Arrest him if he tries to enter India

f) Make it clear that all Justice & State department officials who ok'ed this arrest will not be allowed any diplomatic immunity if they visit India. Conduct an "in-absentia" trial of them as Kanwal Sibal suggested

g) Demand extradition of maid's family
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This link contains the directives for strip search
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According to the chargesheet, Dasgupta and Saini had regular meetings with Minchew at several places in the Capital and its outskirts — at least 15 times in a month since September 2005.


Very unlikely. All diplomatic personnel are instructed on counter intelligence surveillance.
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That info could be from debriefing of those two not from counter intel
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I think it requires more than apologies in terms of injustice met to a woman. India needs to learn to correct her image and really stand for anti-corruption both home and abroad. Both US and India has many things hiding here and one is scratching the other's back to cover up.

I'm not happy with American freedom hood nor Indian good offices. Both are corrupt at different levels of abuses. Disgusting.
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Sangeeta Richard, who has complained against Devyani Khobragade, with her husband Philip in this January 2010 photograph. (Express Photo)

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/for-s ... k/1209431/
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As per TOI report on Kerry's regret, the Bureau of Diplomatic Security is what conducted the investigation and it also takes care of security interests at its Indian embassy and consulates. India should issue marching orders to all the BDS personnel in India! Along with those who gave visas to the maid's family against HC orders.
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KP Nayar in Telegraph gives some details.

He also has a map showing what the barricade removal is all about. It opens up the street to traffic that was clsoed in 2001.

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Looks like the strip search process passed the US Supreme Court by a majority of one and all the dissenting judges felt the same outrage we are feeling. However the USMS service guidelines are not looked into like the TOI website.

Searing but allowed by US Supreme Court
Washington, Dec. 18: Diplomat Devyani Khobragade’s strip search, which has caused consternation in India, is a post-arrest procedure that is sanctioned in the US by its highest court.

One-and-a-half years ago, after the controversial, often humiliating, practice was challenged at various levels of the American justice system, the matter had reached the US Supreme Court, which pronounced its final decision on those legal challenges.

“Every detainee who will be admitted to the general (incarcerated) population may be required to undergo a close visual inspection while undressed,” Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote for the majority of five judges on the bench.

In a dissent note for the minority of four judges, Justice Stephen Breyer described strip searches as “a serious affront to human dignity and to individual privacy”.

Expressing views that would find an echo in India after its deputy consul-general in New York was a victim of strip search following her arrest, these four dissenting justices had opined that such intrusive procedures should be used only when there was good reason to do so.

Justice Breyer interpreted the Fourth Amendment to the American Constitution against unreasonable searches as prohibiting strip searches of those detained for minor offences not involving drugs or violence. In instances where there was reason to suspect that detainees were carrying contraband, the minority was also in favour of intrusive searches.

The US has the biggest prison population in the world: 13 million. The majority of Supreme Court judges argued that officials with detainees in their custody had to ensure that people who are arrested or sentenced do not smuggle weapons or drugs into facilities where they are held. :eek:

{Why couldnt they allow MRI or CAT scan or metal detectors? Why this empowerment/sanction of defacto rape? is it eroticisation of violence?}


In America, which has a large homeless population, admission to homeless shelters is preceded by a strip search and a bath for reasons of public health and hygiene.

In such facilities and in many detention centres, those brought in like Khobragade are asked to hand over their clothing and have a bath in order to make the stripping appear less intrusive.

The case that elevated strip search to the highest court of the land had shades of the Indian diplomat’s treatment. In 2005, Albert Florence was travelling in New Jersey in the passenger seat of a BMW when the police flagged down his car for speeding.

A dispute ensued with police citing a pending arrest warrant for Florence even as he insisted that he had paid a fine which triggered the warrant. In the end it turned out that the fine had, indeed, been paid by the accused. Florence spent the next week in two jails where he was strip-searched twice.

According to the detainee’s account of the search, he was shorn of all clothes and made to turn around, squat, cough and spread the cheeks of his buttocks while an officer watched. “It was humiliating,” he later said of the experience.


Even though the Supreme Court approved of strip searches in minor offences like speeding, riding a bicycle without a bell or driving without a licence, the issue continues to be controversial in America. In at least 10 states, intrusive searches are banned by law unless there is sufficient justification to warrant it.

New York, where the Indian diplomat was arrested, is not one of those states.
There, strip searches take place after prisoners are visited by outsiders in jails or detention centres. During anti-Iraq war demonstrations, a nun was strip-searched for crossing a police barricade to block the demonstrators although she was not a protester.

Such searches may, however, be counterproductive. Justice Breyer cited a study of 23,000 detainees in Orange County, New York, where only one case of contraband was detected during intrusive searches.

Illinois is one of the states that prohibit strip-searches unless there is reasonable justification to warrant one. Its law details what constitutes a strip search. “Strip search means having an arrested person remove or arrange some or all of his or her clothing so as to permit a visual inspection…,” according to its statute.

In New York, DNA samples are also routinely taken after an arrest and fed into a law enforcement database. This would have been done in the case of the Indian diplomat.

The protocol of the US Marshals Service, which strip-searched Khobragade, states that officers must visually inspect the front of the body all the way down. It requires the prisoner to “spread legs and bend forward at the waist” so as to enable observation from the rear.
Looks like we live and learn about how US legitimizes rape of any accused. Really the SC must be not trusting the modern electronics for sureveillance.

I think its more to establish dominance on the prisoner than any scientific concern about smuggled weapons.

To think the founding fathers fought the English to come to this state?
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vasu in the above case did any Indian get sentenced to a jail for espinoage?
How about ever?

Otherwise while IB and RAW protect their folks from jail time for gaddari its all hogwash.
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For stronger immunity, Delhi moves Devyani to UN mission in New York

As per the IE report, kerry wanted to speak to kurshid, but india wanted to keep it to official level only (election jitters?)
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Kerry and Sherman, sources said, were both conciliatory and hoped steps would be taken to push the India-US relationship forward. Kerry, they said, wanted to speak to External Affairs Minister Salman Khurshid but New Delhi preferred this to be dealt at the official level.

If Khobragade's transfer goes through smoothly, sources said, India is considering proposing an agreement to extend full diplomatic immunity to all personnel of the two countries under the Vienna Convention for Diplomatic Relations, regardless of whether they are posted at consulates or the embassy.

Russia is said to have such an agreement with the United States.
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ramana wrote:vasu in the above case did any Indian get sentenced to a jail for espinoage?
How about ever?

Otherwise while IB and RAW protect their folks from jail time for gaddari its all hogwash.
:roll: They should have posted that part of the story too
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I'm reminded of Henry Kissinger's observation: "To oppose the United States is dangerous. To ally with it is invariably fatal."

FWIW, the US has a history of interpreting the Vienna Convention or any international treaty on a legalistic (letter versus spirit) basis to suits its own immediate ends.

The DK incident is only the first in along line of harsh actions :

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/devy ... 31811.html

IMHO, a few takeways:

1. Memo to IFS: give your officers an allowance that enables them to hire local help at local rates. When my father was a diplomat, we were 'allowed', get this, a "Bearer" and a "Cook". In three different postings, all were disasters. They did well compared to alternatives they had in India but all fell prey to 'nativism', they (men in those days) naturally fell for the local lifestyle and for local Natashas. Money and trinkets started disappearing etc. Don't send any more 'maids'/bearers , provide an allowance.

2. Strictly enforce the Vienna Convention WRT all foreign diplomats in India. Some may recall the immunity granted the Nigerian HC's son who murdered someone but was allowed to leave.

3. Use this reason to eliminate the VIP culture in India that is killing the country. The Sharma guy who killed Jessica Lal is allowed liberties that are inexcusable.

4. Go through the practices of the US Embassy staff in India (illicit sale of imported duty free liquor/tobacco to pay employees with black market profits).

5. Keep track of all 'incidents' by US personnel and quickly enforce laws.

Keep the responses proportionate and legalistic.
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One thing about the US is, given the level of automation *most* things can be done without much help from a maid.

I should know. Until the ripe old age of 23 my mom used to brush my hair, wash and Iron all my clothes, cook delicious food and one fine day I land up in the US as PIGS (poor Indian grad student) with no knowledge of how to do anything other than take shower, brush teeth and take a $hit.

In about 3 months I was completely independent. Room mate sardarji taught me how to make delicious dal roti. Senior tamilian dost taught me driving and also how to properly laundry stuff (color and material separated) etc etc. Total national integration going on in unkil-land.

The local book shop where I worked part-time while in school gave me an idea and a sneak peak into the Amru lifeshtyle. I do owe a lot to those days, I learned many things about life became political, found my ayesha.... lol... fun times...
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TSJones wrote: No US diplo will seriously deal with her unless she controls India's nuclear forces. Was it worth all of this? Good grief!
As though 'dealing with the US diplo' is the ultimate recognition for a career diplomat. On the contrary, the US should contemplate whether 'it was worth all this' for its arrogant, sub-human and racist actions. I am sure that the way Ms. DK carried herself, she has demonstrated she is of sterner stuff and would be an asset for the IFS. OTOH, it is the US which is under ridicule here.
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Cosmo_R wrote:I'm reminded of Henry Kissinger's observation: "To oppose the United States is dangerous. To ally with it is invariably fatal."
About a decade or so back, the Pakistanis (for entirely different reasons that we know) used to warn India of getting closer to the US. I can see that the US actions are almost always the same.
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rajeev srinivasan ‏@RajeevSrinivasa 57m
Another sangeeta richard play by cia #Devyani | Bolivia says U.S. orchestrated getaway of detained New Yorker
The article in question

Bolivia says U.S. orchestrated getaway of detained New Yorker
Bolivia on Wednesday accused the United States of helping a New York businessman escape from the South American country where he had spent 18 months in prison and was under house arrest for alleged money laundering.

Interior Minister Carlos Romero said Washington orchestrated a clandestine operation that spirited Jacob Ostreicher, 54, out of Bolivia illegally - further clouding what is known about the entrepreneur's surprise getaway.

"It is certain that the U.S. government participated," Romero told reporters. "We think he must have had some help from the embassy" of the United States in La Paz.
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http://headlinestoday.intoday.in/progra ... 31834.html

Ronen Sen plays soft, and Rajiv Sikri plays hard. The anchor asks good questions.
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Redneck news - Indian government furious over diplomat's strip search

http://video.foxnews.com/v/294672118600 ... 2779230001
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http://guardianlv.com/2013/11/assam-rap ... al-in-u-s/
village of Doomdooma

^^^
Check the live effigy with no clothes being paraded
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>> The US has the biggest prison population in the world: 13 million.

thats like the population of many countries. nearly 5% of the US pop.
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OT: Chinese embassy abuts panchsheel marg :lol:
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Indo-US spat started with Bangladesh
There is now enough evidence to suggest that the US State Department cleared the arrest of Indian deputy consul in New York Devyani Khobragade on visa fraud charges when Indian Foreign Secretary Sujatha Singh was in Washington.

"There were several contentious issues that Sujatha Singh raised with the US officials and Bangladesh topped our list of differences," said a senior official of the Indian Ministry of External Affairs.

“We have reasons to believe the State Department cleared Devyani's arrest to send us a strong message so that we buckle down,” added the official who was not willing to be named.

He said that the State Department earlier prevented the New York police and attorney's office to proceed against several Russian diplomats involved in an alleged insurance fraud.

"The scale of that fraud was much more severe than the charges levelled against Devyani, who stands accused of furnishing wrong information about her maid in visa application and paying her less than committed wages," the official pointed out.

"But the State Department stopped the action against the Russians for fear of retaliation by Moscow with even the Russian Foreign Minister threatening that," he said.

The official said the US was very upset with India's position on Bangladesh.

"The differences are well known and there is no need for a repeat, but when Sujatha Singh made India's position loud and clear, the Americans were less than amused," he said.

"Perhaps they tried sending us a strong message."


"Now the whole nation has approved of the strong message we are sending back to Washington, that we will not take it lying down," he said.

"This is not done to friends if US feels we are one. But as on so many previous occasions, we have shown we are friendly and not weak.

“And on such issues where the nation's prestige is involved, there is complete political consensus and everyone will join us in protest."


India on Tuesday hit back with a series of counter-measures against US diplomats based in India, after Indian Deputy Consul General Khobragade sent an email back home saying she was deeply humiliated by the US authorities.

She said in the email that she was nabbed from in front of her child's school, handcuffed and repeatedly strip-searched in prison, besides being subjected to DNA swabbing and cavity searchers along with drug addicts.

Now the Indians have rolled out a series of counter-measures in a tit-for-tat move to indicate Delhi will not take it lying down.

-- All US diplomats must submit details of salaries paid to their servants, maids, gardeners and other domestic servants to the Indian authorities.

-- All American Schools must submit details of salaries paid to teachers and their bank account details, to be forwarded to Income Tax department for tax compliance.

-- All security barriers allowed to be erected on Nyaya Marg in the diplomatic enclave Chanakyapuri, New Delhi, for security purposes for the US embassy, will now be dismantled.

-- All import clearances given to US diplomats for importing fine food, wine and other costly items, as exemptions under customs duty rules, stand revoked.

-- All US diplomats working in consulates across India have been asked to return their IDs and airport passes to Indian authorities.

These counter-measures follow the refusal of Congress leader Rahul Gandhi, Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi, Home Minister Sushil Kumar Shinde, Lok Sabha Speaker Meira Kumar and National Security Advisor Shivshankar Menon to meet a top-level bipartisan US Congressional delegation presently in New Delhi.

Rahul and Shinde on Tuesday refused to meet the Republican and Democrat Congressmen, to highlight India's strong disapproval of the arrest, handcuffing and strip-search of diplomat Khobragade in New York last week.

So did Modi, widely tipped to be India’s next Prime Minister.

On Monday, Speaker Meira Kumar and Shivshankar Menon had cancelled their meetings separately with the visiting US delegation.

Meira Kumar on Monday called off a meeting with a US bi-partisan Congressional delegation.

The Lok Sabha Speaker was angry not only because Khobragade was a dalit (lower caste) like her, but because the New York policemen did this to a woman diplomat, a mother of two.

The NSA described the treatment meted out to Khobragade as "barbaric" and "despicable".

But curiously, the Ministry of External Affairs rolled out the red carpet with the Minister Salman Khurshid personally welcoming the US delegation.

That provoked the Opposition BJP with former foreign minister Yashwant Sinha suggesting all US diplomats who are homosexuals should be arrested because homosexuality is now a crime under Indian law.

BJP leader Arun Jaitley said India should deal with the US "strictly on reciprocity".

India has already condemned this treatment saying it was "unacceptable".

According to latest reports available, the US is reviewing arrest of Khobragade, with a furious India taking several steps to make its displeasure public.

State Department Deputy Spokeswoman Marie Harf acknowledged it was a "sensitive issue", reports the Economic Times.

"Accordingly, we are looking into the intake procedures surrounding this arrest to ensure that all appropriate procedures were followed and every opportunity for courtesy was extended," she said in a statement.

Indian Foreign Secretary Sujatha Singh has already summoned US Ambassador in Delhi Nancy Powell and told her that bilateral relations will suffer badly unless Washington made amends.

Khobragade, a diplomat enjoying immunity under the Vienna Convention, was publicly handcuffed by New York police, packed off inside a police car, strip-searched in custody, and kept inside a lockup with sex workers, drug addicts and common criminals.

All this happened even as the 1999 batch Indian Foreign Service (IFS) diplomat kept protesting that she enjoyed immunity under the Vienna Convention.

The Deputy Consul General was going to drop her children to school, when she went through the horrendous ordeal.
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https://twitter.com/mediacrooks/status/ ... 5555689472
#Devyani .. Real reason for EXCESS Congi outrage is b/c SoniaG has a deadline from an American court.. Jan.2 ..
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes ... ection-act
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TSJones wrote:Just wait until Modi is PM. Things will really get interesting then. We may wind up with a relationship like we have with Venezuela. That is to say none.
one hopes that day comes soon :mrgreen: atleast in US-Russia or US-venezuela relations there is no hypocrisy.
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Here is some official bs - http://www.justice.gov/usao/nys/pressre ... tement.php

No point highlighting. Read it all. Evacuate it seems, like India is some god damn war zone.
Statement Of Manhattan U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara
On U.S. V. Devyani Khobragade

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Wednesday, December 18, 2013
There has been much misinformation and factual inaccuracy in the reporting on the charges against Devyani Khobragade. It is important to correct these inaccuracies because they are misleading people and creating an inflammatory atmosphere on an unfounded basis. Although I am quite limited in my role as a prosecutor in what I can say, which in many ways constrains my ability here to explain the case to the extent I would like, I can nevertheless make sure the public record is clearer than it has been thus far.

First, Ms. Khobragade was charged based on conduct, as is alleged in the Complaint, that shows she clearly tried to evade U.S. law designed to protect from exploitation the domestic employees of diplomats and consular officers. Not only did she try to evade the law, but as further alleged, she caused the victim and her spouse to attest to false documents and be a part of her scheme to lie to U.S. government officials. So it is alleged not merely that she sought to evade the law, but that she affirmatively created false documents and went ahead with lying to the U.S. government about what she was doing. One wonders whether any government would not take action regarding false documents being submitted to it in order to bring immigrants into the country. One wonders even more pointedly whether any government would not take action regarding that alleged conduct where the purpose of the scheme was to unfairly treat a domestic worker in ways that violate the law. And one wonders why there is so much outrage about the alleged treatment of the Indian national accused of perpetrating these acts, but precious little outrage about the alleged treatment of the Indian victim and her spouse?

Second, as the alleged conduct of Ms. Khobragade makes clear, there can be no plausible claim that this case was somehow unexpected or an injustice. Indeed, the law is clearly set forth on the State Department website. Further, there have been other public cases in the United States involving other countries, and some involving India, where the mistreatment of domestic workers by diplomats or consular officers was charged criminally, and there have been civil suits as well. In fact, the Indian government itself has been aware of this legal issue, and that its diplomats and consular officers were at risk of violating the law. The question then may be asked: Is it for U.S. prosecutors to look the other way, ignore the law and the civil rights of victims (again, here an Indian national), or is it the responsibility of the diplomats and consular officers and their government to make sure the law is observed?

Third, Ms. Khobragade, the Deputy General Consul for Political, Economic, Commercial and Women’s Affairs, is alleged to have treated this victim illegally in numerous ways by paying her far below minimum wage, despite her child care responsibilities and many household duties, such that it was not a legal wage. The victim is also alleged to have worked far more than the 40 hours per week she was contracted to work, and which exceeded the maximum hour limit set forth in the visa application. Ms. Khobragade, as the Complaint charges, created a second contract that was not to be revealed to the U.S. government, that changed the amount to be paid to far below minimum wage, deleted the required language protecting the victim from other forms of exploitation and abuse, and also deleted language that stated that Ms. Khobragade agreed to “abide by all Federal, state, and local laws in the U.S.” As the Complaint states, these are only “in part” the facts, and there are other facts regarding the treatment of the victim – that were not consistent with the law or the representations made by Ms. Khobragade -- that caused this Office and the State Department, to take legal action.

Fourth, as to Ms. Khobragade’s arrest by State Department agents, this is a prosecutor’s office in charge of prosecution, not the arrest or custody, of the defendant, and therefore those questions may be better referred to other agencies. I will address these issues based on the facts as I understand them. Ms. Khobragade was accorded courtesies well beyond what other defendants, most of whom are American citizens, are accorded. She was not, as has been incorrectly reported, arrested in front of her children. The agents arrested her in the most discreet way possible, and unlike most defendants, she was not then handcuffed or restrained. In fact, the arresting officers did not even seize her phone as they normally would have. Instead, they offered her the opportunity to make numerous calls to arrange personal matters and contact whomever she needed, including allowing her to arrange for child care. This lasted approximately two hours. Because it was cold outside, the agents let her make those calls from their car and even brought her coffee and offered to get her food. It is true that she was fully searched by a female Deputy Marshal -- in a private setting -- when she was brought into the U.S. Marshals’ custody, but this is standard practice for every defendant, rich or poor, American or not, in order to make sure that no prisoner keeps anything on his person that could harm anyone, including himself. This is in the interests of everyone’s safety.

Fifth, as has been reported, the victim’s family has been brought to the United States. As also has been reported, legal process was started in India against the victim, attempting to silence her, and attempts were made to compel her to return to India. Further, the Victim’s family reportedly was confronted in numerous ways regarding this case. Speculation about why the family was brought here has been rampant and incorrect. Some focus should perhaps be put on why it was necessary to evacuate the family and what actions were taken in India vis-à-vis them. This Office and the Justice Department are compelled to make sure that victims, witnesses and their families are safe and secure while cases are pending.

Finally, this Office’s sole motivation in this case, as in all cases, is to uphold the rule of law, protect victims, and hold accountable anyone who breaks the law – no matter what their societal status and no matter how powerful, rich or connected they are.
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Did anybody watch Vir Sanghvi castigate MMS? He shredded MMS' reputation after he took over office. Vir pointed out it is going to snowball into a political issue. He berated MMS being pro-USA and his offer to resign two times - nuclear deal and FDI issue.

Media fueling anger. This is going to turn neutral Indians to become anti-Americans. Long term effect guaranteed.
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ramana wrote:Most likely the moves were afoot when the miad's family was arrested in India for that seems like an extreme step to take for an absconding maid. Maybe the handlers gots spooked that their agent was unmasked and hence took steps to extricate the whole fmaily. Most likely the maid is the tip of th eiceberg of a big intel operation in India.

RAW and IB should introspect on their own roles or lack of them.


MEA should think about vetting and providing domestic help as this is becoming a major issue for the image.


For starters how was the maid first hired? What were her references?

Her family working in US Embassy should have raised a red flag with any IB chota official.


Best kick to US would be for Sonia Gandhi to replace MMS ahead of the elections.

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Pratyush you didnt see the "!!!" :((
It is possible Maid was a mole but more importantly I think Devyani must have come across some information about some top people in India having been compromised. Devyani could not have been raped without go ahead from Indian Govt. Do you think fourth largest economy and a nuclear power will allow it's diplomat to be raped? Unless she was threatening somebody close to the waitress.
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^^
She was not, as has been incorrectly reported, arrested in front of her children. The agents arrested her in the most discreet way possible, and unlike most defendants, she was not then handcuffed or restrained. In fact, the arresting officers did not even seize her phone as they normally would have. Instead, they offered her the opportunity to make numerous calls to arrange personal matters and contact whomever she needed, including allowing her to arrange for child care. This lasted approximately two hours. Because it was cold outside, the agents let her make those calls from their car and even brought her coffee and offered to get her food.
Que? :-?
Fourth, as to Ms. Khobragade’s arrest by State Department agents, this is a prosecutor’s office in charge of prosecution, not the arrest or custody, of the defendant, and therefore those questions may be better referred to other agencies

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It is true that she was fully searched by a female Deputy Marshal -- in a private setting -- when she was brought into the U.S. Marshals’ custody, but this is standard practice for every defendant, rich or poor, American or not, in order to make sure that no prisoner keeps anything on his person that could harm anyone, including himself. This is in the interests of everyone’s safety.
You know, in India, at least in Kerala, if you are brought into lock-up for questioning/processing the cops might strip you to your underwear citing the same thing. It is used only when the individual(s) in question are notorious history-sheeters or visibly disturbed by the ordeal (mundu is qute convenient for suicide by hanging pparently) OR if you want to humiliate him..
Guess what happened here.
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not going to wish to be in foreign service anywhere especially abroad.
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Indian Foreign Secretary Sujatha Singh has already summoned US Ambassador in Delhi Nancy Powell and told her that bilateral relations will suffer badly unless Washington made amends.
It should have been "bilateral relations will suffer badly" period.What amends can be made now that Dr. Khobragade's treatment had been made into a spectacle.
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matrimc wrote:
It should have been "bilateral relations will suffer badly" period.What amends can be made now that Dr. Khobragade's treatment had been made into a spectacle.
A blovkbuster bollywood movie is to be made to show how the strip search including cavity search in done in massaland!
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A program on CNN hosted a joker named "Piers Morgan" invited the lawyer of DK, surprisingly, followed by the Beotch named "Malika Sherawat". The lawyer gave the latest update on his client, DK which was accepted by the Piers. Right after that comes Sherawat who goes on tangent and starts talking about plight of women in India. What the heck is the connection of Sherawat speaking about women in India to DK's case?
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TSJones wrote: but now, her name is mud diplomatically. No US diplo will seriously deal with her unless she controls India's nuclear forces. Was it worth all of this? Good grief!
Jeez. I hope American diplos are not delusional enough to think anyone in the Indian foreign service gives a rat's ass.
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chanakya saar: Derrick Bell's Rule #3:

http://www.mdcbowen.org/p2/rm/define/bellsRules.html
THIRD RULE
Few blacks avoid diminishment of racial standing, most of their statements abot racial condidtions being diluted and their recommendations of other blacks taken with a grain of salt. The ususal exception to this rule is the black person who publicly disparages or criticizes other blacks who are speaking or acting in ways that upset whites. Instantly, such statements are granted 'enhanced standing' even when the speaker has no special expertise or experience in the subject he or she is criticizing.
Mallika Sherawat is now eggspurt on women's issues in India. Issues which include maids who want to immigrate to the US using illegal means. She is also a very loyal, useful Gungadeen House N****r
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Agreed. Unfortunately, you, I, and others know that about Sherawat, but the average American Joe six pack doesn't. Optics is everything
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Just curious..... what was Piers Morgan's personal take on the whole thing? He is one of the British Liberals and have been in big fights with Ann Coulter, NRA types, NEocons, Tony Bliar ityadi.

PS: Piers Morgan was one of the judges in that Susan Boyle "I have a dream" song audition video, right? I'm sure most have seen it by now...... the other judge was Simon of course.
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Piers Morgan is an idiot.
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chankyaa saar:

Surprisingly, this is the case with most black communities. They are culturally completely distinct from the white ones (I have lived in the midst of both). The blacks you see on TV in the US are usually the ones that are severely critical of other blacks i.e. "House Slaves". Rarely do you see airtime given to a black person criticizing the white society for what it is.

The "House Slaves" are culturally different from the average black they are like an Oreo biscuit, black on the outside but white on inside and are filled with self hate. The average white joe does not know this, and does not have the IQ or the patience to put two and two together and see through it, so he believes it and becomes critical of black folks himself and cite or repeat the words of the "House Slave" that he saw on TV.

Exact same algorithm is used by Al-BBC ch()()thiyas and the US media against "brown savage pagan" Indians. They chose one misguided Gungadeen to talk about some random savage act of the week that happened in India and make them the eggspurt on ishooes and then use that to mercilessly beat us down on whatever the real issue is.

Once you see through it, you can identify who is a gungadeen and who is not. Until you do that its a confusing ordeal, because you see a person who looks like you talks like you being severely critical of your identity. You have two choices at that point, you can reject that person and his/her views or accept them and start hating yourself. Since BBC/CNN are "trusted" media sources in India most TV watching elites chose the latter, thus becoming the next generation cannon fodder for BBC/CNN.

This is why BBC and CNN should be banned from India.

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On this topic the pisko book that is written by an authority figure is the following: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Skin,_White_Masks

OT: Africa has produced far more post-colonial thinkers than India has. I keep wondering why. How did we become such willing Gungadeens (I too was one at a point of time).
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