Levant crisis - III

habal · Post by **habal** » 17 Dec 2016 15:10

Don't you remember articles that were posted a month or so ago saying the main fear that west had in Aleppo was that many of it's deputies in the rebel ranks who also liaison between rebels and their western sponsors and special forces guiding rebel ops and giving 'expert advice' were trapped in the Aleppo git and had no way of escaping even via airlift.

they have been begging Syria for a way out for these people but Syrians didn't comply.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 17 Dec 2016 15:46

that is why all pressure build up by West media, white helmets etc for evacuation of besieged in Aleppo: such a pity US could not organise Kunduz II.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 17 Dec 2016 15:47

US has offered reward of $25 million for whereabouts of Bag Daddy with post code and phone number plus coordinates

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 17 Dec 2016 17:00

Mosul war can finish off Golden division itself

But sources inside the U.S. Central Command tell me that this success has come at a terrible price, one that could have dire consequences for Iraq in the long run. With the division suffering “horrific” casualties every day, senior U.S. Centcom officers are worried that the grinding battle is slowly destroying the division itself. If that happens, which appears likely, Iraq will lose its best guarantee against civil war—the only force capable of keeping the peace when Iraq’s sectarian divisions, temporarily dampened by having to fight a common enemy, reemerge.

Put simply, the Golden Division’s fight for Mosul could go down in history as one of the greatest victories of the Iraqi government—and its last.

It is a measure of how badly things have come apart in Iraq 13 years later that the city of 1.8 million is now unrecognizable to the 101st, whose 2nd Brigade Combat Team is advising the Golden Division in its battle against the 5,000 militiamen of the Islamic State for control of the city. The division is now two miles from the Tigris River, which divides Mosul in two—a significant advance from where the unit started when it began its operation on October 17.

this article has a lot of information on Golden division and their closeness to US army & training !
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/ ... sis-214531

Bhurishravas · Post by **Bhurishravas** » 17 Dec 2016 17:11

http://www.wsj.com/articles/turkey-bus- ... 1481971696

Turkey Bus Blast Kills 13 Soldiers, Leaves Dozens Injured

The blast in the central Anatolian city of Kayseri happened at around 8:45 a.m. as troops left a commando base aboard a bus, Turkey’s armed forces said in a statement. At least 48 servicemen and a number of civilians have been injured in the attack, the statement said. Government officials said 55 people are undergoing treatment, with 12 in critical condition.

habal · Post by **habal** » 17 Dec 2016 17:45

A French newspaper, Le Figaro, found that at least 58 percent of the 90,000 respondents to a poll on whether Syrian President Bashar Assad should stay in power, do want him to stay in power.

So much for eiffel tower in darkness stunt

habal · Post by **habal** » 17 Dec 2016 18:39

Ramouseh Motorway, SW Aleppo, 1 mile away from exit point.
Hezbollah wipes the road with Terrorists escaping from east aleppo under cover of Green buses and IRGC uniform.

habal · Post by **habal** » 17 Dec 2016 18:43

In East Aleppo Jihadis already set the rules for the green buses.
Men first, women next and then at last children

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 17 Dec 2016 20:18

US claims to have destroyed many tanks captured by IS in Palmyra

“We will not allow ISIL to maintain capabilities that threaten coalition or partner forces,” Col. John Dorrian, General Townsend’s spokesman, said in the military’s statement.

The foothold that the Islamic State regained in Palmyra posed a potential threat to American-trained Syrian rebels operating about 60 miles south of the city. The Islamic State has previously attacked the New Syrian Army opposition forces at their garrison at the al-Tanf crossing, near where Iraq, Syria and Jordan meet. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/16/world ... .html?_r=0

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 17 Dec 2016 20:23

It seems nubl and zahraa syrian hezbollah offloaded and detained these terrorists near ramouseh and wont release them until fuah and kafraya agreement is honoured.

Meantime tiger forces have vacated aleppo and are enroute to palmyra oil fields.

Desert hawks might remain as safeguard in sw aleppo or move south to north hama front. They have good equipment.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 18 Dec 2016 00:19

Mosul
The source told Alsumaria News, “Armed detachments belonging to the Islamic State were deployed before Jum’a (Friday) Prayer, at the gates of the mosques of the western side of Mosul.”

“The detachments rigorously inspected all worshipers, confiscated their pens and watches temporarily, before allowing them to enter the mosques,” the source explained.

“The Islamic State suspected that pens and watches might contain hidden cameras, after the videos recently published by the Intelligence Service about penetrating the terrorist group’s hideouts in Mosul,” the source further added.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 18 Dec 2016 00:21

Mind boggling scale of tunnels discovered in Mosul

They built the tunnels for two reasons,” he explains. “Firstly, as protection from air strikes. They would hide themselves there and be safe. Secondly, imagine Peshmerga are attacking, entering the village. They could come around them and hit them in the back.
“They had some rooms inside connected to CCTV and they were observing the area from underground. They tried to use that to see where the Peshmerga pushed so they could push from the back.”

The tunnels here vary in length from a few dozen metres to half a kilometre. The builders carved them directly into the rock of Bashiqa mountain and lined those beneath the town itself with timber and metal frames for strength.

They are wide enough for two men to squeeze past one another, and a person of average height could walk through most sections without fear of hitting their head. Some have makeshift hospitals, rest areas, kitchens and weapons storage. Small generators powered lights and ventilation systems — usually just desk fans affixed to the walls.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 18 Dec 2016 00:23

a tunnel strengthened by woods

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 18 Dec 2016 00:25

one of seized machine used to dig tunnels

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 18 Dec 2016 04:06

'White Helmets' one moment, al Qaeda the next. NATO's heroes

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 18 Dec 2016 04:14

bana making joke of her tweeter account https://twitter.com/RanaHarbi/status/805064216659001344

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 18 Dec 2016 04:15

Breaking! Al-Nusra (Al-Qaeda) has changed its name for the second time, now rebranded as "Army Of Aleppo".

habal · Post by **habal** » 18 Dec 2016 11:41

Epic trolling from the Russian Embassy in Canada

habal · Post by **habal** » 18 Dec 2016 11:45

Majd Fahd
Awesome pic of Tos-1 MLRS operating in T4 air base eastern Homs
Via: Alexander pushin.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cz4Y5DNWEAA1iCS.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cz4Y7McWgAA9Ufc.jpg

habal · Post by **habal** » 18 Dec 2016 11:46

Hassan Hakbari commander of IRGC battalion in Palmyra killed by #ISIS. Body still missing.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CzoX-WrXgAAAB4m.jpg

habal · Post by **habal** » 18 Dec 2016 11:47

interview with "Tiger" Suhail al hassan, commander of the Tiger forces, aleppo

Bhurishravas · Post by **Bhurishravas** » 18 Dec 2016 12:16

Suhail al hassan

Name sounds very Shia to me. 95% of tiger forces is Sunni though.

habal · Post by **habal** » 18 Dec 2016 12:27

he is alawite.

habal · Post by **habal** » 18 Dec 2016 12:30

but Tiger Force is 95% sunni from Hama and sunni's from Aleppo.
tiger forces were always deployed in Aleppo and before that in Hama.
SAA do not field shias in majority sunni areas.

ISIS/Nusra ranks are rural sunnis, while sarkari Sunnis are Tiger Force.
rural sunnis were slowly converted to wahabism and are extremist.
Urban sunnis are heretic and usually intermarry with elite alawi and shia are common.
Urban sunnis are more secular than rural sunnis.

Bhurishravas · Post by **Bhurishravas** » 18 Dec 2016 12:47

^^ Whatever you say boss.

Since urban sunnis are heretic and extremist sunnis live in villages, the city of Aleppo must have been captured by American troops.
Everything is clear now.

Rishi Verma · Post by **Rishi Verma** » 18 Dec 2016 12:47

habal wrote: Urban sunnis are more secular than rural sunnis.

Saar, u are getting carried away with too much emotions. Secular is secular. The term is absolut like vodka. what is "more secular than rural... ", do you mean "more secular" will kill a kuffar only after a fatwa and a "less secular" will just kill?

habal · Post by **habal** » 18 Dec 2016 12:55

comparitively secular yaar. All these are relative.
If I say I am secular, it is only relative to someone else.

So compared to rural sunni and their conservatism, urban sunnis are more secular.

habal · Post by **habal** » 18 Dec 2016 13:00

Bhurishravas wrote:^^ Whatever you say boss.

Since urban sunnis are heretic and extremist sunnis live in villages, the city of Aleppo must have been captured by American troops.
Everything is clear now.

Zaino beri of the beri tribe of sunnis almost ruled city of aleppo on behalf of regime. When they were challenged by Nusra-types head-chopping revolutionaries who came from rural areas. Many aleppo sunni were even shabiha.

this is why nusra weren't able to totally take over aleppo even at their peak. The clash in aleppo was always between sunnis.
urban sarkari sunnis who were pro-regime and sunnis from hinterland and from farming communities who felt ignored & discriminated by regime.
some urbans were undecided or ambivalent towards Assad regime and decided to sit on fences.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 18 Dec 2016 13:17

Aleppo was invaded by rebel rural gangs rounded up from marea, azaz, al bab, anadan and few other outlying tracts...with help of sleeper cells in the poorer areas which was the east aleppo pocket last week. The govt never lost its hold on the richer western belt of aleppo even when it was islanded for a while before saa broke through from khanasser road side

After 2 yrs of jihadi rule even the poorer devout sections of sukkari are cheering the govt in camps...they want hot food, schools and jobs

Read the op ed called why we lost aleppo from.nyt by a former defected col of the saa who was a fsa commander in aleppo until 2014 end. I posted it a couple pages ago. He got kicked out once the more green took over.

Bhurishravas · Post by **Bhurishravas** » 18 Dec 2016 13:30

Sunni colonel. Defected nevertheless. Was he an uneducated village waala radical sunni?! or a uber urban heretic Sunni?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 18 Dec 2016 13:51

You tell us since you are prolific with your doubts. Do some legwork before gassing here. Nobody has a theka to respond to people who want spoon feeding or play at being a contrarian.

habal · Post by **habal** » 18 Dec 2016 13:53

Bhurishravas wrote:Sunni colonel. Defected nevertheless. Was he an uneducated village waala radical sunni?! or a uber urban heretic Sunni?

promotion-denied sunni.

habal · Post by **habal** » 18 Dec 2016 14:18

Iranian SF patches spotted in Syria

We had no reports of IRSF in Syria until now..

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cz7xCVlUoAA5iU2.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cz7w79QUUAAwPqi.jpg

Bhurishravas · Post by **Bhurishravas** » 18 Dec 2016 14:28

Singha wrote:You tell us since you are prolific with your doubts. Do some legwork before gassing here. Nobody has a theka to respond to people who want spoon feeding or play at being a contrarian.

Looks like I am asking too many questions for your propaganda.
And this thread is full of gas only, thanks to you.

habal · Post by **habal** » 18 Dec 2016 15:01

You have not presented any alternate narrative yet, which can change gas-based discussions to more liquid/solid discussions. What is your alternate pov ? Apart from negating others, you have not added to knowledge base on this thread.

1. assad is winning.
bhurishravas: no erdogan is winning. He kicks putin even in sleep. Putin is your hero, no? pox to putin.

2. aleppo is seeing sunni saa fighting sunni rebels
bhurishravas: you are lying

3. Tiger force is mainly sunni
bhurishravas: you are lying again

4. ISIS/FAS are not winning
bhurishravas: erdogan is cleverly using isis and fas to remove assad and checkmate putin

5. ISIS doesn't care about lives of recruits
bhurishravas: ISIS has smart strategy of defeating powers much bigger than them. Human cost is immaterial since human is cheap resource.

6. NATO is losing face.
bhurishravas: err you are gassing.

Sole premise of your arguments are to negate others argument. You are not winning.

Bhurishravas · Post by **Bhurishravas** » 18 Dec 2016 15:09

habal wrote:Fares Shehabi, prominent Syrian parliamentarian and head of Aleppo’s Chamber of Commerce published the names of the NATO officers on his Facebook page on the 15th December (emphasis added):

Moataz Ughhh Lacan Oglu – Turkish
David Scott Weiner – American
David Shlomo Aram – Israeli
Mohammad Sheikh Islam
Mohammed Ahmed boys – Saudi.
Abdel Moneim Fahad Al Ḩryj – Saudi.
Islam Salim al Zahran el Glen – Saudi.
Ahmad Ibn Nawfal Aldridge-Saudi
Mohamed Hassan Subaie – Saudi.
Hamid Fahad Al Dossary – Saudi.
Amjad Kasem Tirawi – Jordanian
Qasim Saad Al-Shammari – Saudi.
Ayman Qasim Thâalbi – Saudi.
Mohammad Shafi ‘ I AL-Idrisi – Moroccan

Is Saudi Arabia in NATO? Jordan? Israel?
Chechens are fighting in Syria and Iraq.
Heck, the dutch bikers are fighting with the kurds.
Indian jihadis have joined ISIS.
Does that make India, Netherlands or Russia suspect?!

The Syrians must release the photos of these fellas. Let their families come forward and claim them. Till such a time, this is another fake like most others.
No need to do any `leg work` and waste your precious time on such nonsense. 5 minutes of my life wasted.
Only one sides propaganda is gospel truth here.

Bhurishravas · Post by **Bhurishravas** » 18 Dec 2016 15:12

habal wrote:You have not presented any alternate narrative yet, which can change gas-based discussions to more liquid/solid discussions. What is your alternate pov ? Apart from negating others, you have not added to knowledge base on this thread.

1. assad is winning.
bhurishravas: no erdogan is winning. He kicks putin even in sleep. Putin is your hero, no? pox to putin.
2. aleppo is seeing sunni saa fighting sunni rebels
bhurishravas: you are lying
3. Tiger force is mainly sunni
bhurishravas: you are lying again
4. ISIS/FAS are not winning
bhurishravas: erdogan is cleverly using isis and fas to remove assad and checkmate putin
5. ISIS doesn't care about lives of recruits
bhurishravas: ISIS has smart strategy of defeating powers much bigger than them. Human cost is immaterial since human is cheap resource.
6. NATO is losing face.
bhurishravas: err you are gassing.
Sole premise of your arguments are to negate others argument. You are not winning.

I wont believe your propaganda without solid proofs and credible links. Twitter feeds from your fellow propagandists dont count. Your salivation for Putin`s chest doesnt count.
You not liking questions is your problem.

Farooq · Post by **Farooq** » 18 Dec 2016 15:16

Omar Rahmoun who brokered the agreement for the evacuation of the militants from eastern #Aleppo?

Those who are in denial on NATO/Western support to Jihadists can explain to themselves the switching off lights of Eiffel tower when Aleppo was liberated by SAA.

habal · Post by **habal** » 18 Dec 2016 15:19

so you expect 100% crystal clear reports from a war zone. Why don't you sift the propaganda and tell us heathens what is going on ?

@ bhurishravas

Bhurishravas · Post by **Bhurishravas** » 18 Dec 2016 15:27

No I dont. But dont push your propaganda. Voltairenet and twitter feeds declaring american drones and american troops helping ISIS is stupid.
If you dont like American nonsensical propaganda then dont insult others intellect by indulging in the same.
Of course America and Europe have acted stupid. Of course Russian intervention has been welcome but the stench emanating from this thread is putting all common sense to shame.