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Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 19 Dec 2013 12:53
by pankajs
Diplomat case: India says did not get response from US
Notwithstanding Secretary of State John Kerry expressing regret, India today hardened its stand accusing the US of not acting on several letters to it about the missing maid of Indian diplomat Devyani Khobragade whose arrest and strip-search has triggered an outrage.

Conflicting statements on the issue came out from the US side with Kerry regretting the treatment meted out to Khobragade, India's Deputy Consul General in New York, and India-born prosecutor Preet Bharara defending her arrest on December 12.

Bharara not only justified her arrest, he conceded that she was strip-searched and confirmed reports that maid Sangeeta Richard's family was "evacuated" to the US, claiming that efforts were being made in India to "silence" them.

The Indian Embassy here said it had sent a series of requests to the US government to trace the maid and prevent her from blackmailing Khobragade.

"No response was received from the US side for any of these communications," the Embassy said as it gave details of the series of communications it made to the US government in the last several months.

It said the only communication received from the State Department sought to defend the maid.
Now that the unfortunate incident has happened and nothing can change that, no regret or apology, let the US continue with the farce for a couple of weeks more. Let the common folks in India see the real face of the racist and bigoted US. Let it see the real face of a country that harps on Human rights subject a person, a female no less than a diplomat to what is under Indian law rape in custody.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 19 Dec 2013 12:55
by member_22733
SHAT should go against some of the cartels in Mexico. Why select a soft target like an Indian diplo? They were probably expecting an out of court settlement by the Indian Embassy (probably with a cut to the lawyer).

That did not pan out hence they are now bent on proving a point.

Here is why these guys are shady: By having the "out of court" option they are not discouraging the supposed trafficking of maids by diplos, instead they are taking a bribe for keeping quiet. If the case goes to court, it will explode like how it did now and it can potentially discourage a diplo from hiring a maid from India. So if they really want to discourage it, they should always opt OUT of the out of court option and go with a criminal case, like how they did with DK.

However what they did not calculate, and I guess it has not yet "sunk in" that there are long term repercussions if it blows up. Even a usually mild country like India exploded in Anger, I can only imagine what the Ruskies would manage to do to SHAT and co if this had blown up on them.

Ofcourse guys like Bharara etc are useful uncle toms is sitting on the shoulder of the gora admi in his mission to civilize 'em unwashed browns. The moment they revolt against the gora power structure or the moment their usefulness runs out, they will be disposed off like a used condom.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 19 Dec 2013 12:59
by Anand K
Fifth, as has been reported, the victim’s family has been brought to the United States. As also has been reported, legal process was started in India against the victim, attempting to silence her, and attempts were made to compel her to return to India. Further, the Victim’s family reportedly was confronted in numerous ways regarding this case. Speculation about why the family was brought here has been rampant and incorrect. Some focus should perhaps be put on why it was necessary to evacuate the family and what actions were taken in India vis-à-vis them. This Office and the Justice Department are compelled to make sure that victims, witnesses and their families are safe and secure while cases are pending.
I wish the learned attorney would tall us what provisions of US law were used to arrange and finance the "evacuation" of the rest of the family. I mean, are the families of all maids who seek shelter airlifted to the US? What is it about this case that warranted such a gallant action? Sangeetha Richard was on US soil alright but the rest of her family, not American citizens, was half-way around the world.
Something does not add up. I mean, phorgive phor moi phrivolity, has the American Grinch's heart doubled it's size to warrant such kindness? The Ghost of Christians past visited Uncle Ebenezar Sam and warned of apathy towards suffering believers in heathen Hindoo lands a-la Lazarus and the rich man?

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 19 Dec 2013 13:05
by member_22733
^^^ T-Visa given to special visitors who come to the US for giving evidence against human trafficking activity. The visa can give you a green card in about 3 years and a citizenship 5 years after that. So unless the passports are revoked in India or these guys commit a felony offence in the US with more than 1 year of possible punishment before they get their citizenship they are as good as gone from India.

Ironically the T-Visa has been really used here for "legally" trafficking the maid's family to the US. It would have been funny if not for the consequences.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 19 Dec 2013 13:05
by rohitvats
Basically, US Department of Justice considered US laws as having superiority over Indian ones in relation to INDIAN NATIONAL. They consider their sense of morality as superior to Indian laws and judicial system - US authorities and personnel are in active and willful contravention of Indian laws. The GOI needs to raise this issue and stick it into the Americans.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 19 Dec 2013 13:14
by merlin
rohitvats wrote:Basically, US Department of Justice considered US laws as having superiority over Indian ones in relation to INDIAN NATIONAL. They consider their sense of morality as superior to Indian laws and judicial system - US authorities and personnel are in active and willful contravention of Indian laws. The GOI needs to raise this issue and stick it into the Americans.
Yes, if this thing is not nipped in the bud then tomorrow the US will pass laws that prevent Indians from doing any random thing in India or consider them in violation of US laws. :((

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 19 Dec 2013 13:16
by member_22733
From what I can scrape from twitter posts of SHAT, I think SHAT has a big hand in moving the State dept machinery to act on this. There seems to be very serious co-ordination between SHAT and NYDA. SHAT could be a CIA front end, but it does not appear to be (it does not have a huge international presence).

I believe SHAT organized this whole thing. Twitter tells me that they have people in high reaches of the US Capitol, who have their influences in the state dept. I am sure these people would be in the know when the T-VISA was issued and stamped.

Here is proof on their contact with Mr. Kerry: http://influenceexplorer.com/organizati ... eb67bdaaad
Please to look at the TOP recipients (familiar names would follow :) )

Very clear that a mole angle is unlikely. Mostly someone wanted to teach a lesson to India. SHAT wanted to civilize, SD wanted to humiliate. I guess.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 19 Dec 2013 13:20
by member_22733
Here is more:
http://watchdog.net/empl/safe%20horizons
$2,000 from 1 Safe Horizons employee (33.3%) to John Kerry
May not seem much, but it means that someone had vested interest in Kerry getting elected.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 19 Dec 2013 13:21
by pankajs
A diplomat for a diplomat, standard procedure for standard procedure and diplomatic courtesy for diplomatic courtesy will do wonlee ..

Apology or no apology .. We shouldn't do less for a friendly country .. and oh we should have the media while handcuffing to record that the correct procedure as laid down by the US Government and approved by the US supreme courts has been followed precisely.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 19 Dec 2013 13:38
by chaanakya
It there any link between arrest of US crew of a Boat carrying Arms in Indian waters off the coast of TN and this DK episode. Today Crew have been denied bail by Madras High Court and it includes US citizens. They were intercepted in October this year.
http://www.ndtv.com/article/south/madra ... hip-460133

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 19 Dec 2013 13:40
by chaanakya
pankajs wrote:A diplomat for a diplomat, standard procedure for standard procedure and diplomatic courtesy for diplomatic courtesy will do wonlee ..

Apology or no apology .. We shouldn't do less for a friendly country .. and oh we should have the media while handcuffing to record that the correct procedure as laid down by the US Government and approved by the US supreme courts has been followed precisely.
Diplomacy works on Reciprocal relations and not on GUBOing which India , off late, has been doing a lot to US such is the congi culture impact.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 19 Dec 2013 13:46
by pankajs
Devyani Khobragade row: US must apologise, withdraw case, says government

Read more at:
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/art ... aign=cppst

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 19 Dec 2013 14:04
by chaanakya
US old player in game of tit-for-tat

Anybody seen congis growing a pair. In longest period that they have ruled India , they have emasculated everyone including themselves. The reciprocal action shown by Salmon the cursed is nothing but a smokescreen to show India that it is taking strong action. The actions by itself have no value. The Congis are open to charge on many fronts and one of them would be failure to protect dignity of SC community and women community.( they have never been able to protect India's self respect so that charge is not counted here.) Congis claim to be protector of SC interest and seek votes from them but here you see one of the diplomat from their community, who have risen well in Indian hierarchy through assertive programme are ultimately humiliated in most despicable manner and all pointers are there to indicate that GOI and USG were fully aware of what is happening. You can not so easily whisk a person on T Visa esp. when there is court case. Issue of T visa itself would raise eyebrows at immigration counter. But that happened and it means there were things which were facilitated at the highest level. Now all this action by Congis seems like a fixed match .


Below is the news item which tell what is diplo tit for tat. Does our ruling class has balls to carry out anything like this or are they too compromised by USG.
NEW DELHI: Diplomatic tit-for-tat is as familiar a concept in international relations as diplomatic immunity. While diplomatic immunity is written into the Vienna Conventions that cover most modern diplomatic and consular practices, privileges extended to diplomats are often based on reciprocity between countries, though they often weigh heavily in favour of the richer countries of the Global North.

One of the best known spats was that between Brazil and the US. When in 2003, the US started photographing and fingerprinting those requiring visas to enter the US, a judge in Brazil ruled that US citizens coming to Brazil ought to be given the same treatment. Americans alone were often detained at airports in Brazil for hours to get fingerprinted and photographed.

Washington protested saying while the US did it to people from all over, Brazil was targeting only Americans. Brazil responded by pointing out that people from 27 countries were exempted from fingerprinting and photographing in the US and Brazil believed it ought to be on that list. The tit-for-tat fingerprinting was dropped quietly later. However, Brazilian visa charges remain the highest for Americans, commensurate with what the US charges Brazilians.

While there are fewer spats of these kinds between OECD countries which often form a cosy club of mutual visa exemptions and fewer security restrictions, it is often emerging economies like Brazil, India, China or South Africa which have reacted sharply.

The spats have been numerous and sharp between developing countries too. That is not to say that tit-for-tat diplomacy is not used by the developed world, especially against developing countries. The US in particular is well known for its tit-for-tat diplomacy.

In April 2011, the US ordered the expulsion of Ecuador's ambassador to Washington in a tit-for-tat move after the US envoy to Quito was told to leave over leaked diplomatic cables, part of the Wikileak cables. Russia banned Americans from adopting its orphans at the beginning of 2013. The move was said to be in retaliation for legislation before Congress to ban Russian officials accused of human rights abuses from travelling to the US.

According to the New York Times, in the 1980s, the US had forced Mexican diplomats to use only Mexican-made economy cars, not the big American limousines that most foreign diplomats in Washington used. This was in retaliation for US diplomats in Mexico being allowed to own and operate only automobiles manufactured in Mexico. When Mexico protested saying it was not reciprocity, the US countered that their aim in retaliating was to eliminate restrictions on their foreign missions.

More recently, in March 2012, South Africa decided to deport 125 Nigerians because they allegedly possessed fake yellow fever inoculation certificates. Within a few days, Nigeria retaliated by deporting 131 South Africans supposedly travelling with fake documents.

In 2009, Britain revoked South Africa's visa-free status and in 2013 it was charging South Africans £80 for a visa. And South Africa threatened to charge visiting Britons a similar hefty visa fee, though it could ill-afford to discourage British tourists considering the fact that Britain is South Africa's largest overseas tourism market, with over 438,000 British visitors last year.

Closer home, the most familiar tit-for-tat diplomacy is visa denial to each other's citizens or mutual expulsion of diplomats most often by India, Pakistan and Bangladesh. Whatever part of the world, tit-for-tat diplomacy seems to be often a relatively harmless way for aggrieved countries to let off steam and salve their injured sense of sovereignty and dignity. It is seen as preventing petty differences from escalating into full blown hostility.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 19 Dec 2013 14:24
by a_bharat
LokeshC wrote:Anyway, my theory of a dirty attorney has come true. There has to be some org like this to organize this kind of movement.
That is probably not the whole story; it doesn't explain non-action by NYPD and other US agencies to repeated requests from Indian side to track the maid (since June). It also doesn't satisfactorily explain the lengths the US SD went in this case.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 19 Dec 2013 14:29
by Altair
Singha wrote:
TSJones wrote:Just wait until Modi is PM. Things will really get interesting then. We may wind up with a relationship like we have with Venezuela. That is to say none.
one hopes that day comes soon :mrgreen: atleast in US-Russia or US-venezuela relations there is no hypocrisy.
+ 1,116
It would do wonders to future of Dharmics. May even restore the 4 walks of dharma...
I personally like US-Russia relations. Its more "Go F*ck Yourselves" attitude..
We might be in a very bad situation here but I hope this would trigger atleast a few internal house cleaning, Change in perception of all gora things, sufficient suspicion in the minds of MEA when dealing with Unkil, slowdown the entire cosing up with unkil, cancel any GUBO deals etc..
I like the end result if we invite Putin to Jan 26 RD Parade and display a new era in India-Russia relations.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 19 Dec 2013 14:50
by vic
Sallu and kerry will talk today and GoI will surrender tomorrow and settle for regret about the gang Rape of Dalit Indian woman Diplomat who refused to be blackmailed.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 19 Dec 2013 14:56
by pankajs
Saar I do not have faith in the munna's gov but on the looming 2014 elections politics to deliver for our diplomat.

If that does not deliver but ends up delivering a NM gov, I hope NM will make the US pay for more than the immediate humiliation to our diplomat.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 19 Dec 2013 14:59
by vic
Waitress, Sallu and Munna will loose elections but will not embarass their Uncle Sam Master

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 19 Dec 2013 15:02
by pankajs
True but going by medias account NM is not a man who forgets in a hurry and he was hounded openly by the US. I do not expect him to drop a bomb but even if he is able to restore parity and reciprocity in our relationship it would be a blow to the US considering the current munna's subservient gov.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 19 Dec 2013 15:04
by habal
Again allowing the husband and children to immigrate on Trafficking visa is what bought about this event. Again India's NSA was found asleep. This is the third time that the Indian NSA has been found sleeping at the wheel. First it was M.K. Narayanan, before that Brajesh Mishra under whose watch Rabinder Singh got away, and now it is this SS Menon under whose watch the maid's family got away without being even held up at immigration.

Now if any ordinary person makes his way out of this great country, some joker sitting at immigration will ask a dozen questions in triplicate. But this highly suspiscious group going to USA on trafficking visa doesn't have any issues. So again, which country's interests does the National Security Advisor represent ? It is better to abolish this meaningless post which is just there to give an opening to external interests to ferret out their spies and assist their terrorists.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 19 Dec 2013 15:18
by Singha
true that. such a T-1 visa should immediately be a red flag and lead to questions. its a very unusual visa. if they really wanted to keep tabs on the family why did not put out a immigration notice or impound their passports until the maid was located with US help?

I was given a hard time by a pandu returning INTO india from thailand with N number of questions until I showed my karnataka DL to prove I was not a saffron terrorist trying to sneak in :lol:

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 19 Dec 2013 15:18
by chaanakya
Since it is germane to the issue at hand and some members had raised questions about MEA not taking proactive action in another case, here is one good news.

Captain Sunil James released from Togo prison: Foreign ministry
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NEW DELHI: Indian sailor Captain Sunil James, who had been jailed in Togo in July, has been released and is expected to reach India by Friday, sources in the external affairs ministry said on Thursday.

India was in touch with Togo authorities to secure on compassionate ground the release of the sailor whose family wanted him to conduct the last rites of his 11-month-old son Vivaan.

Indian officials from Accra had met the sailor recently and had been pursuing the case of his release with the authorities there.

James has been released along with another sailor Vijayan, the sources said, adding he is expected to return home by tomorrow.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 19 Dec 2013 15:25
by Singha
Sir this case had languished for months and finally gained media attention when his 11 month old child died and his wife was in dire state having to manage that alone here. it was then that wheels moved to get consular access through a friendly nation who represents us in togo and obtain his release.

rest of the time they were busy with a plate of kababs with TSP, hunting saffron terrorists under every rock and trying to find dirt on Namo.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 19 Dec 2013 15:29
by Pratyush
I admire the guts of the US. first they voilate the Vienna convention and then they can lie through their teeth, while trafficking indian citizens.

All the while saying what they did was justified.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 19 Dec 2013 15:30
by habal
Basically western interests want a single nodal point which could assist in all their wheeling-dealing with. So one guy can make a call to multitudanal agencies to arrange or settle affairs. This is for their interests. When the levers of access were dispersed, it was not so easy to ferret out spies and human material. Nor was it possible to have easy access through sea-route.

So again isme hamare liye kya hai aka what's in it for us ?

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 19 Dec 2013 15:39
by vic
Why does everybody think NSA is an idiot? He may have been doing what munna Govt instructed. This is the Govt which beat up the Delhi public and registered false cases when they protested against Nirbhaya gang rape. Sallu is already making statements on TV media protecting and defending US Govt officials against conspiracy theory.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 19 Dec 2013 15:40
by SSridhar
chaanakya wrote:It there any link between arrest of US crew of a Boat carrying Arms in Indian waters off the coast of TN and this DK episode. Today Crew have been denied bail by Madras High Court and it includes US citizens.
There was no US citizen on board that ship. However the ship belongs to a US registered company that claims to provide armed escort service to ships on high seas.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 19 Dec 2013 15:41
by Lilo
As Vlad da Putin has commented a while back India is no longer Independent. Its independence has been underhandedly pawned away by our politicos while our PMO was singing kumbaya with Massa State department through out the course of Maino-MMS regime.

I for one has long felt that the only way for Indian establishment to prove its Independence is to conduct a series of Nuclear Tests.
Let the test cycle be announced 3 months in advance . Let each milestone from preparation,setting up and execution be announced in local press - same as how DRDO does with its strategic missiles, or ISRO does with its rockets.

Not the previous scampering around like rats in Thar desert hiding from the sights of big bad Massa eagles kind of Nuclear tests. But one where scientists and engineers surrounded by men in uniform go about their work without giving a rat's fart to Massa's bluster and thunderings happening over months leading up to the tests and calmly weathering the diplomatic storm. And then make it a regular affair every 5 years or so.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 19 Dec 2013 15:46
by SSridhar
Singha wrote:such a T-1 visa should immediately be a red flag and lead to questions. its a very unusual visa. if they really wanted to keep tabs on the family why did not put out a immigration notice or impound their passports until the maid was located with US help?
It is a failure of the MEA, no doubt. The immigration officer probably wasn't even aware of the T-1 visa. Had he known, he might have questioned Richard closely. I am sure that Richard had been tutored suitably by the US consular officers or their agents on how to respond etc. They also flew by Air India because the US probably wanted it that way to avoid any stigma. I would also like the MEA to investigate if there was any collusion of the US officials with any GoI servant in the whole episode.

I understand that Richard's passport was suspended. I don't know which one Sangeetha or her spouse ?

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 19 Dec 2013 15:50
by chaanakya
SSridhar wrote:
chaanakya wrote:It there any link between arrest of US crew of a Boat carrying Arms in Indian waters off the coast of TN and this DK episode. Today Crew have been denied bail by Madras High Court and it includes US citizens.
There was no US citizen on board that ship. However the ship belongs to a US registered company that claims to provide armed escort service to ships on high seas.
Yes, report itself mentions that. Oversight probably.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 19 Dec 2013 15:57
by krishnan
maybe there were US citizen , how can a US ship not have a single US citizen, unless it is operating out of a different country. hard to believe

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 19 Dec 2013 15:59
by krishnan
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/12/18/opini ... ?hpt=hp_t1
Court documents allege that she stated on the application that she was paying the nanny the minimum wage in New York -- $9.75 per hour, when she was really only paying her what worked out to be about $3.31 per hour.
check the comments.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 19 Dec 2013 16:25
by habal
Uttam Khobragade mentions that he had called DCP Jaiswal of Delhi Police many times (exact word was 100s of times) to arrest Richard before he could make an escape, but the DCP didn't relent. Someone above was blocking the same.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 19 Dec 2013 16:45
by Anujan
Several points.

1. Treatment of the diplomat is unacceptable. Irrespective of whether she has immunity or not, she represents India and should be treated accordingly. Secondly if there are reasons to believe she is guilty, she could have been expelled or India could have been informed that she needed to be transferred.

2. Not sure if this has to do with any kind of massa retaliation or leverage. Going by the way they are running as headless chickens, the reason is probably elsewhere. EJ angle perhaps? Or maybe aggressive career oriented move by Preet Bharara?

3. Wonder why the babudom which acts with such alacrity shen other babus are wronged doesn't show equal rage when soldiers are beheaded.

4. "Oh but why won't anyone care about the victim" is a moronic statement. The victim (if she is one) does deserve relief. The alleged perpetrator does deserve to be treated with dignity.

5. Newspapers whining "India acting petty" is nandi droppings. Where did the concern for the victim and acting petty go when massa threatened holding up money unless Raymond Davis (who you might remember, dispatched a couple of Pakis) was released?

6. If massa really is larger hearted, let them drop all charges immediately and tender unconditional apology.

7. Though I am against 377, wonder why people have their panties in a knot on the statement "let us enforce 377 on massa diplomats". They claim their minimum wage law cannot be flouted, even for diplomats: we claim IPC cannot be flouted, even for diplomats. Seems fair to me.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 19 Dec 2013 16:47
by rohitvats
habal wrote:Uttam Khobragade mentions that he had called DCP Jaiswal of Delhi Police many times (exact word was 100s of times) to arrest Richard before he could make an escape, but the DCP didn't relent. Someone above was blocking the same.
On what basis could have the husband being detained? Merits of the case notwithstanding, such an act would have been illegal. And I don't think India could have prevented him from flying abroad - unless some sort of legal injunction was obtained from the courts. The Preet guy is actually citing 'efforts to silence the maid' as a reason to 'evacuate' the maid's family.

And I have no reason to believe otherwise that the diplomat's father did use some strong arm tactics on maid's family in India once she bolted in USA.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 19 Dec 2013 16:48
by rohitvats
Official Indian response of Indian Embassy in USA.

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-in ... ne-1937688
In an official press response, the Embassy of India reveals interactions with the US counterparts and traces the timeline of events in Sangeeta Richard's employment case since June 2013 which led to the Devyani Khobragade row. Here's the official statement:

The Embassy of India, Washington DC and the Ministry of External Affairs in New Delhi have been taking up the matter of Dr. Devyani Khobragade's domestic assistant Ms. Sangeeta Richard from June 2013 with the US State Department and the US Embassy in New Delhi.

The Embassy of India received the State Department's letter dated September 4, 2013, which requested the Embassy to enquire in to the allegations brought in by Ms. Richard disputing her terms of employment with Dr. Khobragade and seeking the findings of the Embassy. In response, the Indian side both in New Delhi and in Washington DC reiterated the requests pending with the US side in this regard since June 2013 including the following:

- assistance in tracing Dr. Khobragade's domestic assistant Ms. Sangeeta Richard, an Indian citizen who entered the US with an Official Passport of the Government of India, who was found missing on June 23, 2013. This was reported immediately to the Office of the Foreign Missions in New York and NYPD.

- action against blackmailing by Ms. Richard demanding that she be permitted to change her passport, visa status and to work elsewhere, which would be in violation of US regulations.

- assistance in repatriating Ms. Richard as her passport was revoked on July 8, 2013 and is since staying in the US illegally.

- arresting of Ms. Richard who has taken cash, mobile phone and documents from the residence of Dr. Khobragade.

On October 8, a written response was sent by the Indian Embassy to the State Department rebutting the allegation and bringing out the facts of the case whereby Ms. Richard is seeking to subvert both Indian and US laws. The US side was also requested to assist in implementing an injunction issued on September 20, 2013 by the Delhi High Court against Ms. Richard restraining from initiating any legal action against Dr. Khobragade outside India.

Separately, on July 15, 2013, Mr. Philip Richard, husband of Ms. Sangeeta Richard filed a Writ Petition against Dr. Khobragade and the Union of India alleging that Ms. Sangeeta Richard was in police custody in New York and charging Dr. Khobragade. On July 19, 2013, Mr. Richard voluntarily withdrew his Writ Petition.

In view of the above, the State Department was requested to assist in locating and repatriating Ms. Richard to India.

On November 19, the Metropolitan Magistrate of South District, New Delhi issued a non-bailable arrest warrant against Ms. Richard. On December 6, the arrest warrant was forwarded to the State Department and to the US Embassy in New Delhi requesting them to instruct the relevant authorities in the US to arrest and repatriate Ms. Richard to India through our Consulate in New York.

No response was received from the US side for any of these communications.

On December 12, 2013, Dr. Khobragade was arrested.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 19 Dec 2013 17:10
by SSridhar
Anujan wrote:2. Not sure if this has to do with any kind of massa retaliation or leverage. Going by the way they are running as headless chickens, the reason is probably elsewhere. EJ angle perhaps? Or maybe aggressive career oriented move by Preet Bharara?
Preet Bharara & Nisha Desai do need to prove themselves to be more American than the blue-blooded Americans, perhaps. I do not know. But, as KC Singh was saying the other day (quoting his very reliable source), the instructions came from much higher than that district attorney. I feel that it was Nisha Desai or even higher.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 19 Dec 2013 17:27
by habal
rohitvats wrote: On what basis could have the husband being detained?
As per Uttam Khobragade sir, Phiilp Richard was in contact with his wife. His wife had a non-bailable warrant on her. There were phone records that indicated so. So there you go.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 19 Dec 2013 17:28
by rohitvats
SSridhar wrote:
Anujan wrote:2. Not sure if this has to do with any kind of massa retaliation or leverage. Going by the way they are running as headless chickens, the reason is probably elsewhere. EJ angle perhaps? Or maybe aggressive career oriented move by Preet Bharara?
Preet Bharara & Nisha Desai do need to prove themselves to be more American than the blue-blooded Americans, perhaps. I do not know. But, as KC Singh was saying the other day (quoting his very reliable source), the instructions came from much higher than that district attorney. I feel that it was Nisha Desai or even higher.
SS, it transpires that not only the MIL of the maid but the maid herself had previously worked in the house of a very senior diplomat in US Embassy in India.

The question that we have not asked so far is this - How come an Indian diplomat traveling to USA got in touch with a maid who had worked with US Embassy staff? I mean, too much of a coincidence, no? She could not find any other maid in whole of Delhi? And what are the chances that once her appointment was announced, someone from US side 'recommended' the maid to her? What better way to keep tab on Indian diplomat than a compromised maid? To me, she literally looks like a plant.

Allow me to propound my own CT here:

- The maid and her family from in-laws side has a strong relationship within the US Embassy in India. I would not rule out the bonhomie due to xtian status + coming from lower strata of society. It would be interesting to understand if the family is recent convert or has been a Christian for some time/generation.

- She wants to go abroad but US official ( her/family's employer) cannot help her directly due to obvious reasons.

- She gets recommended to Indian Diplomat with prior understanding of what exactly to do once she settles down in USA.

- She works for some months piling up the evidence of long work hour and low salary. Bolts on cue and conveniently lands up in the office of an immigration lawyer.

- The anonymous phone call initially and then meeting at the office of immigration lawyer seems like an effort to push India/Diplomat to take necessary evasive actions. They knew Indian Diplomat could not give her normal passport or USD 10K.

The charges against Indian diplomat existed in June 2013 as well. But someone in USA wanted India to take actions which it took - detaining of maid's family, court case, phone calls which would have gone to her family in India - to pile up evidence of attempts to 'silence' the maid.

- Then, once enough evidence had come their way, they whisked the family away as well as pounced on the Diplomat.

This was a long time in making and is a well crafted event. The question is why?

Is there an individual powerful enough to work the wheels and get two US Government departments to work towards an common end? And that too saving a 'maid' from oppression and Visa fraud?

As someone said, the hole goes deeper.

Re: India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Posted: 19 Dec 2013 17:31
by rohitvats
habal wrote:
rohitvats wrote: On what basis could have the husband being detained?
As per Uttam Khobragade sir, Phiilp Richard was in contact with his wife. His wife had a non-bailable warrant on her. There were phone records that indicated so. So there you go.
Sorry, could not get you? Is there a law which would allow him to arrested? I mean, the police would have to charge him under some section(s), produce him in court and prove they require his custody? And especially ask for instruction towards his travel restriction.

Please elaborate. Thanks.