2020 Strategic and Political Analysis-1

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 06 Jun 2020 03:05

No one works from home better than Ambani

Mukesh Ambani is a legend. He's managed to raise 92,000 cr. in the lockdown, for Jio.

Ashokk · Post by **Ashokk** » 06 Jun 2020 03:30

Never said PM Modi should be removed from Delhi: Mamata Banerjee slams opposition

"I really feel bad that when we are fighting against Covid-19 and Amphan and working to save lives, some political parties are asking to remove us from power. I never said that Prime Minister Narendra Modi should be removed from Delhi," said Mamata Banerjee while addressing at 'Re-Greening Kol' programme on the occasion of World Environment Day.

kit · Post by **kit** » 06 Jun 2020 04:06

Ashokk wrote:Never said PM Modi should be removed from Delhi: Mamata Banerjee slams opposition
"I really feel bad that when we are fighting against Covid-19 and Amphan and working to save lives, some political parties are asking to remove us from power. I never said that Prime Minister Narendra Modi should be removed from Delhi," said Mamata Banerjee while addressing at 'Re-Greening Kol' programme on the occasion of World Environment Day.

weed ?

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 06 Jun 2020 15:38

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2Fpw-ACwQA

Synthia Ritchie accuses Rehman Malik and Yousuf Raza Gilani of rape
| 06 June 2020 | 92NewsHD

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 06 Jun 2020 16:38

darshan wrote:Can anyone shine the light on this?

Mitron App Is Actually a Repackaged App From Pakistan Called TicTic: Report
The Tiktok rival Mitron has grown in popularity for being Indian. That might not actually be the case though.
https://gadgets.ndtv.com/apps/news/mitr ... ic-2237511

Google Play Store Restores Mitron App, The Alternative To Chinese TikTok, After Design Changes

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 06 Jun 2020 21:42

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 06 Jun 2020 22:40

TWITTER

DrApr007:

Ch¡neses want a make new alliance with India, Russia, Iran & North Korea to minimize the worldwide effect of USA & NATO. Even Ch¡nese r ready to k¡ck 0ut Pak¡$tan & help India to getting PoK & Gilgit-Baltistan.But the visionary Indian govt has refused.

#MainDeshNahinJhukneDoonga

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@dikgaj

It will be important to keep an eye out for Shri Mohan Krishnan, the forest officer agonized enough to bring #Aditi, the murdered elephant, into public discourse. He will be skewered once the public forgets #Aditi. Powerful vested interests hv longer memories than the elephants.

https://twitter.com/dikgaj/status/12693 ... 45504?s=19

vimal · Post by **vimal** » 06 Jun 2020 22:59

chetak wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2Fpw-ACwQA

Synthia Ritchie accuses Rehman Malik and Yousuf Raza Gilani of rape
| 06 June 2020 | 92NewsHD

Idiots can't even get the name right, it's Cynthia!

Meanwhile lets see what Bhartiya media is saying about this:

Zeenews:
ISI supporter Cynthia D Ritchie guns for Pakistan People's Party leaders, says former minister Rehman Malik raped her

ISI supporter?

mukkan · Post by **mukkan** » 06 Jun 2020 23:42

Migrant worker crisis is the latest divisive narrative being peddled by Indian mainstream media. A genuine issue about the plight of out of work laborers, on account of the coronavirus lockdown in India has been turned into a migrant versus native debate. For the last month or so, TV screens and social media platforms have been replete with images of exhausted laborers trudging on foot with their families, and travelling thousands of kilometers to reach their natives towns and villages.
But the media decided to label these people as migrants. And this has become the source of polarizing politics in India. The center and states blame each other for the unfolding crisis, while IAS babus continue to issue notifications in Shakespearean English

https://intellectualkshatriya.com/migra ... -politics/

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 07 Jun 2020 00:28

Prasanna Viswanathan@prasannavishy·12h

Not Only In Ladakh, China Is Needling India In Myanmar As Well Through Its Proxy Rebel Groups There https://swarajyamag.com/world/not-only- ... oups-there via @swarajyamag

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 07 Jun 2020 02:46

On the need for making “The Judge” – A movie on Love Jihad and the typical ‘liberal’ reaction of Hindus to the issue

6 June, 2020
OpIndia Staff

The menace of ‘Love Jihad’ is widespread in India. Every day we hear about its occurrence in some part of the country. While the mainstream media and the political correctness of all political parties, governments and other mechanisms of the state machinery attempt to create an illusion that such an issue doesn’t exist, every discerning Hindu, Sikh, Buddhist and Christian knows it otherwise. In fact, the Christian community of Kerala are credited with coming up with the term, ‘Love Jihad’, after they realized the attack on their girls and subsequent conversions from Christianity to Islam.

Even when this problem is so well spread and well known all around the country, the urban educated class, particularly the rich/middle class Hindus, are more skeptical and hesitant in accepting this issue as a reality than the rest. There are many reasons for this. The widespread liberal and the left controlled education system, be it in schools and colleges or be it in media, where the barbarism and cruelties of Muslim rulers are white washed while simultaneously indulging in the demonization of Hindu religion, its culture, its traditions and its rulers, has systematically spawned generations of Hindus who have been wallowing in self guilt and self-hate for some decades now.

This has resulted in them completely alienating themselves from the problems that their community faces. The effect of other factors like state sponsored secularism that is forced down the throat of every individual and the Ganga-Jamuni tehzeeb doctrine of the entertainment industry with Bollywood leading the way, has only helped this narrative become mainstream. Consequently a large portion of Hindus have shown scant interest in this disastrous conspiracy that is now knocking on their doors.

During the research for our film, ‘The Judge’, we could see a pattern in these Love Jihad cases. Based on that, these cases could be broadly classified into nine categories-

1) The Hindu female and the Muslim male are in love. They want to marry. The girl wants to remain Hindu after the wedding. The boy agrees. After marriage and especially after the child/children are born, the boy’s family starts pressuring the girl to convert, with dire consequences for the girl when she refuses.

2) The Muslim boy pretends to be a Hindu. Even goes to temples and does puja. So, the innocent Hindu girl marries him. After marriage she discovers that he is a Muslim and then she is forced by the boy’s family to convert.

3) The Muslim boy promises the Hindu girl that he is a true Muslim and that he won’t have sex with her until the marriage. The girl thinks very highly of him because of his principle and consequently marries him. A few years later he starts marrying more women as his religion allows polygamy. This happens more in semi-urban and rural areas.

4) The Hindu girl who is ignorant of her Hindu roots and philosophy is targeted and is approached by the Muslim boy. As she isn’t aware of her own religion, she is slowly made to question it. She loses faith in it, giving the boy the full opportunity to take advantage of her. After she starts living with him, she realizes her mistake. A lot of such cases have been happening in Kerala and also in other urban areas of the country.

5) The girl marries the boy voluntarily because both are in love with each other. Both are supposedly modern liberal progressives. After the wedding, boy starts to have doubts on the girl’s fidelity as she continues to be liberal even after the marriage. So, he attacks her, in most cases killing her.

6) Hindu woman has relationship with Muslim man that doesn’t end up in marriage. There could be many reasons for this. She could already be married and hence feels guilty about cheating her husband. Or after the initial excitement she could realize that she had made a mistake. Or in some cases where the women are middle aged, they come to know that the same man is also having an affair or targeting one of her younger female relatives (which could even be her own daughter). This could make them end their relationship. Angry over this, he attacks the woman and sometimes even her whole family.

7) Hindu women are just raped and/ or murdered, usually in the most gruesome way. In some cases photos or videos are taken of girls in compromising situations, and they are blackmailed to do more sexual favors. A lot of cases in rural and semi-urban areas including those that involve Dalits belong to this category.

Hindu woman marries Muslim man. They both follow their own respective religions even after the marriage, and there is no interference by the man or his family. But their offsprings are definitely brought up as Muslims, with a touch of secular ‘respect’ for Hindu Gods. Bollywood is full of such cases.

9) In this category, the girl is always a minor. She is seduced and made to madly fall in love with the boy. The girl’s family won’t permit their marriage. So, she is kidnapped (with her consent!). Converted to Islam. And then married to the boy as it legal under Muslim law even when she is under 18.

In many of these categories, the Muslim male tends to be already married with one or more wives and with children before he targets the Hindu girl and marries her. The Hindu girl is completely unaware about this fact.

All these categories of Love Jihad may seem disconnected at the outset, even quite extraordinary, because in many instances the kafir girls themselves participate ini it willingly. But under all this there is an underlying concept that is rooted in the Islamic ideology. And that is the need to expand the Ummah and the concept that kafir women are basically slaves and need to be treated so. Hence, they are totally dispensable. When these are the ideas that are taught in Madrassas and even in supposedly ‘modern progressive’ families as a part of the religion, then it is no wonder that boys when they grow up, end up as foot soldiers of Love Jihad. It is a system approved and sanctioned by the highest authorities of their religion: Collect as many kafir wombs as possible. Increase the Ummah and simultaneously decrease the population of kafirs. And if things don’t go as per the plan then kill or injure the woman as she is just a kafir, a slave, in status. Hence such violence.

My film ‘The Judge’ is an attempt to depict the typical liberal reaction of Hindus to this issue. It explores how blinded they are when they encounter such a situation. Though they may be given the benefit of doubt, owing to their ignorance due to the sparse media coverage and governments’ interference, their deliberate attempt to not even consider it as a serious issue, when sufficient evidence is presented is something that is despicable and which needs to be addressed. And our film attempts to do just that.

The film also explores another aspect of the liberal Hindu elites. And that is their reactions to the issues of their fellow Hindu brethren, who tend to be practicing Hindus with a better Dharmic foundation. The elites typically display a ‘holier than thou’ attitude towards them and for most part consider them with contempt. They don’t hesitate for a second to categorize such people as Bhakts, Sanghis or gaumutra drinkers etc (ignorantly believing these words/phrases are pejoratives). This Hinduphobia (yes, practiced by Hindus themselves) leads to a total rejection of the problems that normal Hindus face. And Love Jihad is typically one such problem.

This film tries to present an issue that has been neglected for so long as a result of political correctness and the power that is wielded by the liberal/left ecosystem. Bollywood wouldn’t dare to make a movie on this subject under present conditions, when it is the one of the culprits promoting Love Jihad through its films and its film stars. Although this film isn’t exactly based on any of the actual love jihad cases and the story is fictional, it has been inspired by many of them. By making and presenting this film, we are trying to create an awareness and sensitize people on this issue throughout India so that girls, parents and society at large can be more alert in fighting this menace.

The film was made on a shoestring budget and was crowdfunded with several people donating generously for the cause. We wish that people watch this film, enjoy it and share it with their friends and family. We also wish that more such issues of Dharmic communities in India (which are neglected by the mainstream media and the left/liberal/secular system), are taken up by more film makers and more films/webseries/shortfilms are made.

Author: Jithu Aravamudhan, Vak Media

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5hTERtHtBI

THE JUDGE

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 07 Jun 2020 03:03

^^ I am sure google will remove this as soon as scum Islamists start complaining

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 07 Jun 2020 03:42

Hindus are the biggest fools ever suffered by Mother Earth.

In a family of ‘blue blood’ Panjabi Saraswat Brahmins, with PhDs and MDs, possessed of not insignificant wealth, a not too distant daughter has married a Muslim man and promptly converted.

What defences does the village girl in Eastern UP have, or someone in rural Telangana?

Sikhs are forbidden carnal relations with Muslims along with eating halal. Backward quom or prescient? More realistic than Hindus certainly.

Now if Muslims offer to be treated exactly as they are enjoined to treat non-Muslims, India can be a paradise for all communities.
And the best is there ain’t nothing Islamophobic about this approach.

Rony · Post by **Rony** » 07 Jun 2020 06:22

The problem with most of the SM Hindu political critiques and thinkers is more have lead Hindus in the wrong direction for years. If Hindus had taken our advice years back on strategy and direction then today when a Hindu gets killed then it would also be world. World news met with protests across the world but they never listened and followed this IKs who still dont get it. We said way back then dump the terms RW and Nationalism but stand as just as Hindus or native Hindus or indigenous Hindus or Dharmic people etc and the doors will open and allies will appear across the world because we know how it works in the West better than most.This is why we ended up across world media several times including the anti-Hindu BBC raising issues because we know how to present the Hindu cause but it was always messed up by inarticulate Hindu self appointed leaders who sound bigoted and narrow minded extremists. Hindu culture even now is the most influential indigenous alternative culture across the world. So we always had the biggest advantage over everyone else. So we need to use this raise our persecution to the world but strategically as Krishna did. Start with dumping RW or nationalism as the first step to own our own narrative than playing by the enemies rule book.

https://twitter.com/hhrLondon/status/12 ... 50340?s=20

schinnas · Post by **schinnas** » 07 Jun 2020 13:48

chetak wrote:
Prasanna Viswanathan@prasannavishy·12h

Not Only In Ladakh, China Is Needling India In Myanmar As Well Through Its Proxy Rebel Groups There https://swarajyamag.com/world/not-only- ... oups-there via @swarajyamag

Can easily be fixed / repaid back 10x with few IEDas in Balochistan and on OBOR.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 07 Jun 2020 16:09

not much coverage in the local KAR press which is always pointedly and vocally aware of the smallest of rumored transgressions that take place in some other communities.

truly they seem to deserve the descriptions of presstitutes, soldout and darbari media, especially one local rag that claims to "herald" all news without fear or favor.

Former Bombay HC justice Micheal Saldanha accuses Bishop of Mysore KA William of murder, sexual misconduct, corruption

Former Bombay HC justice Micheal Saldanha accuses Bishop of Mysore KA William of murder, sexual misconduct, corruption.

On May 29, Justice Saldanha had sent a legal notice to Catholic Bishops' Conference of India (CBCI) President Cardinal Oswald Gracias, who is also the Archbishop of Bombay. He had also sent the legal notice to both the Christian clerics - Archbishop of Bangalore Dr Peter Machado and Bishop William.

7 June, 2020
OpIndia Staff

Former judge of Bombay High Court justice Micheal F Saldanha has made grave allegations against Bishop of Mysore KA William of “letting loose a virtual reign of terror” in the Diocese of Mysore. Former Justice Saldanha also accused William’s superior – the Archbishop of Bangalore Dr Peter Machado, of colluding and covering up murders allegedly committed by Bishop William, reports Mid Day.

According to the reports, on May 29, Justice Saldanha had sent a legal notice to Catholic Bishops’ Conference of India (CBCI) President Cardinal Oswald Gracias, who is also the Archbishop of Bombay.

He had also sent the legal notice to both the Christian clerics – Archbishop of Bangalore Dr Peter Machado and Bishop William, accusing the latter of committing crimes such as murders, sexual misconduct, etc.

“Following the deaths of four priests – two murders, one hanging and one so-called accident, the Bishop of Mysore has let loose a virtual reign of terror in the Diocese,” read the letter written by Justice Saldanha.

Bishop William accused of having connections with underworld mafia
Justice Saldanha alleged that Bishop William has used the underworld mafia and protection from the local police, which has resulted in as much as 23% of the Catholic Laity leaving the church. For the last one year, this man has been asked to leave, but he defiantly carries on terrorising, the notice further stated.

Justice Saldhana has also written that the Archbishop of Bangalore, the immediate superior of Bishop William, should have acted and removed him at least eight months back. However, the justice alleged that the Archbishop was himself colliding with Bishop William to cover up the murders.

According to Saldhana, Bishop Machado has ignored 17 written complaints “fully backed by evidence,” all of which have come from “men of credibility,” a majority of them being priests.

Apart from this, the letter said that there is also a mention of Bishop Machado having ignored 19 written complaints relating to cases that have brought shame, disgrace and ridicule to the Diocese. He added that the complaints to the Cardinal in Mumbai, the internuncio in Delhi and the Catholic Bishops Conference was also disregarded.

Justice Saldanha highlights alleged crimes of Bishop William
Justice Saldanha has also written a separate section – “William’s latest atrocity” in his letter. Justice Saldanha accused Bishop William of calling an urgent meeting on a 12-hour notice to pronounced a transfer order against 37 priests, who had complained regarding Bishop William’s alleged involvement in criminal offences, misappropriation of funds and sexual misconduct.

We had reported regarding the complaint written to Pope Francis by several parishes against Bishop William accusing him of practising factionalism, favouritism, illegal parenthood, sexual liaisons and corruption. Bishop William, along with Father Leslie Moras, had involved in the 2019 Mysore Church sex scandal when a woman, who worked in their church, had allegedly accused them of seeking sexual favours.

In the letter, the former justice said that Bishop Francis had indulged in revenge transfers targeting the priests who had complained against him and sending eminent scholars to remote villages where there is not even drinking water.

The notice further read, “The whole country is fighting for survival and everything is on hold. The governments, the courts, and the administration have suspended all activity. No transfers should have been undertaken at this point in time.”

In the notice, Justice Saldhana also demanded to revoke the illegal transfer order. “If this does not happen within 12 hours, then some drastic steps will have to follow”.

Speaking to Mid-day, Justice Saldhana said that he had spoken to all the 37 priests, who are the complainants and can vouch for their credibility. He added that there has been unabated womanising by Bishop William and evidence has been produced. There are also instances of him defaulting on church money and each time he had a problem with a woman, there were large payoffs, revealed Justice Micheal F Saldanha.

Allegations of murdering priests
Melwyn Fernandes, secretary of Association of Concerned Catholics (AOCC), who had exposed Bishop William’s alleged misbehaviour last year, said that there are allegations of murders of priests being camouflaged as accidents.

“I call upon the Archbishop of Bangalore Peter Machado and CBCI President Cardinal Oswald Gracias to immediately suspend the Bishop of Mysore and to get the police to institute a high-level inquiry into the murders of innocent priests, as well as the transfers,” said Melwyn Fernandes.

Responding to allegations, Archbishop Machado said, “Normally, when such matters come to me, I pass them on to my higher authorities in Delhi. I have already escalated the issue”. Meanwhile, Father Nigel Barrett, spokesperson for Cardinal Gracias of Mumbai, said that he was not aware of the issue.

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 07 Jun 2020 16:31

chetak wrote:
darshan wrote:Can anyone shine the light on this?

Google Play Store Restores Mitron App, The Alternative To Chinese TikTok, After Design Changes

While the app may get reinstated, the pukes angle still remains unexplained. It's possible that pukes probably write apps like this due to need to support terrorist activities. Is the app writing scene in India in such a bad shape that one had to buy from pukes?

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 07 Jun 2020 17:17

darshan wrote:
chetak wrote:

Google Play Store Restores Mitron App, The Alternative To Chinese TikTok, After Design Changes
While the app may get reinstated, the pukes angle still remains unexplained. It's possible that pukes probably write apps like this due to need to support terrorist activities. Is the app writing scene in India in such a bad shape that one had to buy from pukes?

per some reports, he paid 34$, IIRC.

looks like some slick, greedy college kid with delusions of grandeur a la silicon valley legends

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 07 Jun 2020 18:29

Minhaz Merchant@MinhazMerchant·3h

How utterly daft of #KaranThapar to compare the recovery rates of Italy & Spain and the doubling rates of the UK & US to India which is 6 weeks behind the Italy/Spain #covid curve & 4 weeks behind the UK/US curve. Truly daft.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 07 Jun 2020 18:44

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 07 Jun 2020 19:27

looks like the congi MPs and MLAs are a lucky lot.

They seem to spend a greater part of their terms either in plush resorts where all their bills are picked up including those for airfare and some "entertainment" activities or getting large sums of money from the opposition parties.

Gujarat: Ahead of Rajya Sabha polls, Congress moves its MLAs to resorts

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 07 Jun 2020 19:47

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 07 Jun 2020 22:25

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 08 Jun 2020 15:07

Customer buys Bhagwat Purana, Amazon seller also sends a book on why the Hindu scripture is ‘irrelevant’ as a ‘special gift’

Customer buys Bhagwat Purana, Amazon seller also sends a book on why the Hindu scripture is ‘irrelevant’ as a ‘special gift’

Along with the 'Shrimad Bhagwad Mahapuran', a copy of "How irrelevant is Bhagwat Puran" marked as a "special gift" was also sent by the seller. The user has stated that the book packaged as "special gift" by the seller was the antithesis of Bhagwad Puran and was meant to discourage the buyers from reading the holy book.

8 June, 2020
OpIndia Staff

An Amazon user has alleged that a seller-Vishv Books, Ghaziabad, Uttar Pradesh, has been fuelling anti-Hindu sentiments by sending a copy of a book denigrating the ordered Shrimad Bhagwat Mahapuran as a “special gift” along with the holy scripture.

The user took to Twitter to expose the Hinduphobia exhibited by the seller for anyone who wished to buy a copy of the holy Hindu scripture. The user had ordered Shrimad Bhagwat Mahapuran on Amazon from the aforementioned seller. However, the seller dispatched two items in the order.

2- the package arrived in this condition. Above the Srimad Bhagwata Puran was this book marked special gift by the seller. pic.twitter.com/0cn5veN3iO

— Anj¡(@WarpedInGlory) June 8, 2020

Along with the ‘Shrimad Bhagwad Mahapuran’, a copy of “How irrelevant is Bhagwat Puran” marked as a “special gift” was also sent by the seller. The user has stated that the book packaged as “special gift” by the seller was a book written to denigrate the Bhagwad Puran and was meant to discourage the buyers from reading the Hindu holy book. The book also carried a survey card seeking readers’ views about the book and if they would be willing to more books from the seller, Vishv Books. The user had accused the bookseller of mocking the Hindu faith by unsolicitedly sending such a book that denigrates the Bhagwat Puran as ‘irrelevant’ and hurting the religious sentiments of the adherents.

I have mailed Amazon regarding the situation in anticipation of a quick response.
Clarifying the following-
– The seller and the publication of the book is the same- Vishv Books.
– it’s not a mistake done by the seller as a review from 2019 on Amazon complains about the same. pic.twitter.com/T2EjCXJjv1

— Anj¡(@WarpedInGlory) June 8, 2020

Condemning at the seller, the user asserted that nobody has a right to impose what others should be reading and if the book gifted is worth reading, then it should be sold on the website and not bundled as a freebie along with the Hindu scripture. The Amazon user has also sought a response from the organisation by mailing about the unprincipled practices employed by the seller and has sought a clarification on the communal bias espoused by it.

This is not a one-off occurrence of the seller sending a book mocking the Hindu faith and its scriptures. The said customer shared that according to a review available on Amazon from 2019, another customer had raised his grievances against the aforesaid seller for sending a book that denigrated the Hindu scripture and which served to spread negativity about the faith and the holy book- Shrimad Bhagwat Mahapuran.

Amazon India sends Bible even when customer never ordered one
Earlier in 2017, netizens were shocked when a Twitter user had shared that Amazon India has sent her a copy of the Bible even when she had not ordered it from the online marketplace. The user, Yogini Deshpande, claimed that she had ordered a JNU book on Amazon India. But, instead of her ordered book, she received a copy of the Bible.

Strangely, the tags on package claimed that it was a book sent by the same publisher — Hindi Sahitya Sadan — but the book (Bible) was published by another publisher named The Bible Society of India, having its office in Bangalore.

After Yogini took to Twitter to inform how she had received a copy of Bible on ordering a JNU book, several Twitter users claimed to have received a Bible instead of their regular orders placed on Amazon.

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 08 Jun 2020 18:08

Stealing a cow from rabari in this area.... Rabaris would be one of the first muscle groups one would go out to look for against the green energy in this part of GJ. If common occurrence, then GJ has degraded a lot.

Cow smugglers in Vadodara steal a cow, put her in a car in the middle of the night: Watch video

The FIR filed at Karelibaug police station stated that around 3 am on 7th June 2020, 3-4 men came in a Scorpio car and took away one cow worth Rs 60,000.
https://www.opindia.com/2020/06/cow-smu ... fir-filed/

vijayk · Post by **vijayk** » 08 Jun 2020 18:10

darshan · Post by **darshan** » 09 Jun 2020 02:04

MP: Over Two Dozen Top BSP Leaders Join Congress As Kamal Nath Musters Strength Against BJP For Upcoming Bypolls
https://swarajyamag.com/insta/mp-over-t ... ng-bypolls

In a major development, over two dozen leaders of the Mayawati-led Bahujan Samaj Party (BSP) have jumped over to Indian National Congress (INC) in Madhya Pradesh which is set to witness bypoll elections in the State soon, reports news agency ANI.

The leaders joined the Congress party and received its membership officially at the Pradesh Congress Committee (PCC)'s office in the presence of senior Congress leaders including former ministers Sajjan Singh Verma, P C Sharma and former speaker of the Assembly N P Prajapati.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 09 Jun 2020 12:08

China cries foul as India-Australia sign defence deals, sees it as attempt to ‘confront’ China

9 June, 2020
OpIndia Staff

The improvement of diplomacy and bilateral ties between India and Australia seems to have spooked China. On Monday, the English version of Chinese Communist party mouthpiece Global Times published an article on the bilateral trade ties and defence deal signed by India and Australia.

Global Times on India-Australia defence deal
Last week, Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi and his Australian counterpart stepped up partnership and concluded nine arrangements including mutual logistics support for militaries. The pact is aimed to give Indian warships and aircrafts enhanced reach towards the Pacific. India has similar such pacts with America and France.

Chinese government media alleged that this move is a join effort between India and Australia to counter China. “Yet after the outbreak of the novel coronavirus, India seems to be worrying that its own international status is declining while China’s influence is rising, especially in regions such as South Asia and Africa where India wishes to play an influential role. Therefore, its attitude toward China has to some extent changed,” Global Times writes.

Chinese media further said how military cooperation between India and Australia “will shape a confrontational atmosphere in the region, jeopardizing peace and stability.”

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 09 Jun 2020 12:55

^ Some MEA babu ought to tell those chicom pricks to STFU and that PRC is NOT the center of the universe and that not everything that happens is aimed at PRC and ... blah blah (you get the drift).

Only.

P.S. Impressive that every one of cheena's hysterical 'reactions' gets immediate press traction in democratic nations' media outlets. $$$ at play by cheeni proxies no doubt to ensure their propagation here. WhyTF should the mango desi care what dlagon thinks? This is a way to reinforce mighty-and-unbowable cheena stereotype formed in rival people's minds via drip-fed repetition only.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 09 Jun 2020 17:52

This hotel management grad knows next to nothing about the Indian defense industry, never had any real exposure to technology development or management, was busy ranting against the LCA and is now running down the IAF because it didn't choose the F-35.

Claims we need to learn the MSME approach. LOL only. Any Indian program is almost completely full of subsystems developed by Indian MSMEs carefully cultivated by the DRDO et al, and which are now graduating into systems development as well. All this started way back in 2001 as official policy. Its been two decades almost since I myself posted about it on BRF. And this gyaani badshah is busy telling us "we should do this".

This chap is talking about India's education system, as if he is himself some three collared PeeHDee in AI, arcane sciences and defense against the dark arts. When the highest idea of any topic he has is how to hog food plates. Kya comedy hain our media ecosystem. The true SMEs are hobbled by OSA, or dont even get a voice, whereas the biggest comedians are always posturing as the eggsperts.

chetak wrote:

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 09 Jun 2020 18:07

Karan on Twitter a Trump supporter @Col_Peace_
Jeff M. Smith who was part of Trump delegation in February promotes and supports abhijit iyer mitra a lot.

On one hand American are opposing S-400 and on the other they're hard selling f-35 through iyer Mitra & shukla

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 09 Jun 2020 18:48

Karan M wrote:This hotel management grad knows next to nothing about the Indian defense industry, never had any real exposure to technology development or management, was busy ranting against the LCA and is now running down the IAF because it didn't choose the F-35.

Claims we need to learn the MSME approach. LOL only. Any Indian program is almost completely full of subsystems developed by Indian MSMEs carefully cultivated by the DRDO et al, and which are now graduating into systems development as well. All this started way back in 2001 as official policy. Its been two decades almost since I myself posted about it on BRF. And this gyaani badshah is busy telling us "we should do this".

This chap is talking about India's education system, as if he is himself some three collared PeeHDee in AI, arcane sciences and defense against the dark arts. When the highest idea of any topic he has is how to hog food plates. Kya comedy hain our media ecosystem. The true SMEs are hobbled by OSA, or dont even get a voice, whereas the biggest comedians are always posturing as the eggsperts.

chetak wrote:[img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZ4k03uUEAI ... =large[img]

It was the F-35 that was the major sticking point with turkey and this was after turkey had established some considerable resources for the supply and sourcing chains for the F-35 production too.

with India getting the S-400, the F-35 seems to have been forcibly bypassed as far as trump/US MIC is concerned.

The recently renewed threat of sanctions on the pretext of the S-400 buy by India is simply to arm twist India into buying some another very expensive, shiny, new, and utterly useless ameriki toys because some dopy senators/congressmen/(women) are up for re election and so they are desperate that jobs go to manufacturing plants in their home districts.

efforts by australia to cosy up to India are sponsored by the same US deep state/MIC interests and both, the aussies, as well as the amerikis, are untrustworthy, not to mention racist.

Let's play along for the moment but India would do well to keep its own counsel and also keep its powder dry and not be needlessly stampeded by excited talk of samosas and gujarati kadhi. mrgreen:

until recently, the aussies were well on their way to becoming another paki like OBOR clone victim state with the han claws dug deeply into their body politic as well as their social educational, and economic systems all playing second fiddle to the han interests.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 09 Jun 2020 20:30

How Nehru’s ‘Forward Policy’ Worked And Its Lessons Look From The Vantage Point Of 2020

Venu Gopal Narayanan
Jun 9, 2020

How Nehru’s ‘Forward Policy’ Worked And Its Lessons Look From The Vantage Point Of 2020

Snapshot
The most important takeaway from the ‘Forward Policy’ is that once personal whims take the place of foreign and defence policy, then there is no estimating how much damage that will cost.
Last month marked sixty years since Jawaharlal Nehru’s ‘Forward Policy’ began to be implemented in Arunachal Pradesh with proper fervour – the decision to set up forward military posts, to deter the Chinese from advancing across the McMahon Line and claiming Indian territory as theirs.

Sixty long years, since a chain of portentous events was set in motion.

Sixty years, since the legendary 4th Indian Division began to establish itself atop impassable ridges, without equipment, support, or supply routes. And sixty years, since that augural prelude, which culminated in the unforgivable catastrophes of the 1962 Sino-Indian war.

It is a good moment to introspect upon the dynamics of that fateful decision, since two flagrant border incursions were attempted by the Chinese along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) last month; and a good lesson, on how a government might define and secure national aims within a confusing geopolitical scenario.

This is however, not so much a chronological sequencing of the gut-wrenching events which led to war, as it is a survey of that pivotal, instigating ‘Forward Policy’ which set up the whole debacle.

That is because, while we know how the story ends – in defeat, despair, humiliation and pain – we know far less of the machinations which scripted the policy basis of that entirely avoidable tragedy.

The spark to Nehru’s ‘Forward Policy’ was provided by two closely-related events.

One was the Sino-Soviet split, which began with Nikita Khrushchev’s doctrinaire repudiation of Stalin, and was cemented by his aggressive drive for Soviet control of nuclear bases on the Chinese coast.

The second was the flight of the Dalai Lama to India in March 1959, once Mao withdrew the fiction of Tibetan autonomy, and actuated a strategically vital trans-Tibetan road link passing through India’s Aksai Chin.

A Rubicon was crossed once India granted the Dalai Lama asylum, from which there has never been a turning back.

The threat of a live, safe monk, who would remain as a symbol of Chinese imperialism over Tibet – both political and cultural – was simply too potent a truth to bear.

Perhaps one of the reasons why Khrushchev tried to get Mao to back off was because he understood the wider ramifications, of such viscerally incensed Chinese impulses, to somehow neutralise this live, symbolic continuation of Tibetan resistance to Chinese occupation.

If China pushed India too hard, the possibility existed that India might be forced by desperation into the American camp.

But Sino-Soviet ties were too worn for such advice to be taken; if anything, it only spurred Mao into plowing his own furrows, to stress the point that China would chart its own course hereon, with steadfast independence.

Nonetheless, these substantial geopolitical changes appeared to make no visible impact on diplomatic functioning in Delhi. Not even with the Dalai Lama’s escape to India, when it was clear as mud to observers, that every material aspect of Sino-Indian relations, meticulous crafted by a rhapsodic Nehru, lay in tatters about his feet.

The official hope, masquerading as foreign policy, continued to be that China would respect the basic tenets of their bilateral Panchsheel treaty, of 1954, and high principles of civilised sovereign conduct, which were enshrined at the Bandung Conference the next year.

After all, wasn’t it India’s own V K Krishna Menon, who had argued that the United Nations couldn’t introduce a discussion on Chinese aggression over Tibet, for the legalistic reason that China wasn’t then a member of that international body?

Surely such altruism merited everlasting gratitude from Beijing.

The opposite happened instead: the fiction of Panchsheel was rendered redundant.

Nehru’s needless, gratingly unctuous courtship of Chinese Premier Chou En Lai, at the Bandung Conference, became a topic of caustic derision.

India’s unwavering, decade-long insistence, that China be rehabilitated into international forums, was abruptly replaced by the realisation that Sardar Patel had been right all along, about China’s mal-intentions.

And most damagingly, revelations emerged of a long-suppressed fact, that China had built a motorable road across the Indian territory of Aksai Chin, as far back as the mid 1950’s.

Nehru couldn’t even deny knowledge of the road, because the Chinese had officially invited both the Indian Ambassador and the Military Attache in Beijing, to Tibet, for the inauguration ceremony (they wisely declined to attend).

If that wasn’t bad enough, the Chinese began to violate the border repeatedly – just as they do now.

Whatever Nehru’s stature might have been then, this was not elevated foreign policy, since the Chinese were now openly goading him into a response. This was dramatically aimless vaudeville, played out behind thick curtains in South Block, with fatal consequences on both policy-making and core national interests.

Yet all that our citizens got to see on stage was a shadowy crumpling of the cloth. Within months, that gaudy fabric began to come apart at the seams.

On 28 August 1959, N G Goray of the Praja Socialist Party, and MP for Poona, stood up in the Lok Sabha to ask a simple question of his prime minister: Did Nehru mean to say that anyone could cross our borders, enter our country, build a road, apprehend our troops, release them because of ‘good relations’, and we would do nothing about that?

Nehru’s astonishing response was to wonder out loud, if the honourable member actually expected a reply, because, apparently, there was a difference between borders and frontiers.

For good measure, Nehru also informed a stunned Goray that there were also some parts of the country which ‘no one was interested in’.

Readers reeling in disbelief at such supercilious condescension would do well to read Lok Sabha records available online.

For a man of Nehru’s standing, Goray’s question must have felt like impertinence. But with the disclosure of a Chinese road crossing Indian land, whose construction took place with official Indian knowledge, past stature began to matter less, and national security more.

Flowery speeches and patronising retorts were no longer effective substitutes for right thought and right action.

So now, as much as the government needed to act decisively, the greater urgency was to appear to have acted thus.

As a result, fawning camaraderie was reluctantly replaced by empty bravado. Conciliation unwittingly became confrontation, and it was decided that the Chinese would be put in their place, at the border.

‘Runglee rungliot’ – thus far, and no further. A ‘Forward Policy’ was here. Now, if that didn’t pacify the opposition, if that couldn’t retain soaring public visages in unblemished poise, then nothing would.

There was only one problem with this abrupt volte-face: the armed forces had gone to seed during a preceding Ashokan decade of violent pacifism, and so were in no position to honour the cabinet’s fantasies of even patrolling the border, leave alone defending it.

There were no roads, there had been no modernisation of military equipment, what little equipment as available was useless at Himalayan heights, and the Army in particular, had no way of conducting combat operations in narrow river valleys that snaked through 7000 foot gorges.

General Thimayya, India’s most popular warrior and Chief of Army Staff, bluntly said as much to both Nehru, and his defence minister, V K Krishna Menon.

So did his senior army subordinates.

That put Nehru in a fix.

Now out of the blue on the one side, was a still-diminutive opposition who’d finally smelt blood, after a dozen years of waiting patiently in the great man’s shadow; on the other was a military, which professed grave incapacity, because of horrendous shortcomings caused directly by Nehru’s own pacifist policies over the preceding decade.

Talk about being trapped between a rock and a hard place.

It is in the backdrop of such dynamics, that we must understand how a disastrous policy was first successfully formulated, and then implemented, in the face of momentous internal disagreement.

The key impediment was Thimayya, whose valid obduracy was centred on an elementary point of fact – namely, that the executive should not design a political response which the military could not carry out.

But the desperation to be perceived as acting decisively, coupled with the possibility of opposition ‘impertinence’ snowballing into widespread disillusionment (at a time when the demand for reorganising states on linguistic lines was set to peak), posed a greater threat than the one on the border.

This is what propelled the insidious rise of institutional acrimony towards Thimayya.

It became full-blown when two alarming confrontations, at Khenzemane and Longju in mid-August of 1959, clearly demonstrated military inability to enforce the sovereignty of our borders.

Within a month, Thimayya was forced to submit his resignation, as good men must, and then cajoled into withdrawing it.

Amidst that confusion rose a mighty debate, on whether Timmy Sahib had done the right thing or not, by withdrawing his resignation letter.

The answer didn’t matter a fig for two reasons: the damage was already done, and focus was finally diverted – at least temporarily – from the bounden duties of a government, to the morals of an Army Chief.

The greater point made in this sordid episode, is that the more Thimayya was weakened, the less of a hindrance he was to the ‘Forward Policy’.

This was a turning point in independent India’s history.

A dangerous precedent was set.

Now, if good men refused to do the wrong thing, then the alternative was not to do the right thing, but instead, to replace those good men with the right ones.

If ever there was an example of how the system gets structurally weakened by political influence, this was it.

Still, Thimayya had a rock solid stature of his own, and it would take more than a Fabian Socialist to whittle that down to dust. So, they bided their time, quietly putting small pieces of the Forward Policy into play, until the last good men were gone. Only then did they move ahead, with new men of their own.

The irony is that the very Generals they chose to distrust, whose putsch-inclined hearts, they said, continued to beat for the Raj, polo matches, and the British Indian Army, were sidelined in favour of men, who openly believed in the undemocratic nonsense the old sort were unfairly suspected of.

One such man was BM ‘Bijji’ Kaul, a relative of Nehru’s, who, even if it cannot be proved that he was the key instigator of the ‘Forward Policy’, certainly carries the moral responsibility of having pushed this unsound political decision to breaking point, and disaster, in 1962.

Although commissioned into an Infantry regiment, Kaul spent much of his career before independence in the Army Service Corps, away from operational commands of even a battalion. He therefore missed combat experience, staff service (where you learn how to conduct battles and wars), and other prerequisites necessary to hold high military command.

After 1947, that divergence from the career path of a regular officer only increased, courtesy a relative who was now prime minister.

Kaul was gifted a series of plum foreign postings well above his rank and capacity. While they certainly allowed him to ascend the political ladder, these favours did nothing to enhance his military worth as a commanding officer.

It was a shock then, to hear that he had been given charge of the 4th Indian Division in the Punjab (where he was awarded a high medal for making the illustrious formation build staff housing).

No wonder his horoscope predicted that he would rule India one day. This was in line with his views that the military had made a mistake, by abjuring power to the civil lines (something he espoused as far back as 1947 to Jayprakash Narayan, when Kaul hinted that, perhaps, India needed a ‘strong’ government if it was to avoid the carnage of partition).

But by 1960 however, Kaul knew which side of his bread was buttered, and thus found it far more expedient to facilitate the Nehru persona, rather than contradict it.

The 4 Div was dispatched to defend an indefensible border, before finally descending into surreal absurdities, when it came to the nuts and bolts of executing such policy.

Remember this: 4 Div’s official remit under this new ‘Forward Policy’, was to defend the borders of Arunachal Pradesh from the Bhutan-India-China tri-junction to Myanmar – a 360 mile-long line, passing along the tops of the highest mountain range in the world.

And they didn’t even have boots.

But no matter; Nehru had finally found the man to execute his ‘Forward Policy’, and 1959 became the setup for an even more Alice-in-Wonderland 1960.

There could be no turning back after that; the die was cast.

Brigadier John Dalvi tells the best story of the Forward Policy’s early days, albeit with a great deal of sadness.

He would know, since he was later given key command of 7 Brigade, under 4 Div, and had to physically implement Kaul’s directives with nonexistent resources.

Dalvi was the good man on the spot in Arunachal Pradesh – a Thimayya type, if you will, but without the seniority to protest beyond a point.

He was in charge on the ground when Nehru’s wishes were forced to be carried out, and he was there on the field when his men were massacred in 1962. He then spent seven months in Tibet as a Chinese prisoner of war, before being repatriated home.

Attending a top-secret meeting to determine materiel tonnage to be flown by the Indian Air Force, as part of the ‘Forward Policy’, Dalvi found himself instead at the entrance to the rabbit hole.

There was a functionary from the Ministry of Food present, who wanted most of the available airlift to transport – hold your breath – hothouses for a research project. The man wanted to try and grow vegetables on the roof of the world.

Another attendee, from an unnamed, non-military government department, invited opinions on how to breed ponies at high altitudes.

The Survey of India was also present, not to offer new maps though, which was the crying need of the hour (the Chinese were then vigorously engaged in ‘mapmanship’ with India over boundary contours), but with a demand for tonnage – to transport their survey teams to high altitudes for routine work.

And last, there was someone from the Government of Jammu and Kashmir present – at a top-secret meeting, mind you – with a requisition for transporting pilgrims between the mountains and the plains.

This description of the dangerously guileless, ham-handed, half-baked manner in which a detrimental national policy was crafted against the advice of experts, is crucial to our story, because we then also learn that nothing changed in over half a century.

When the millennium turned, China still yearned for a secure land route to the western Indian Ocean. Their route of choice was the Karakoram Highway, which went from Sinkiang province through Takshkorgan into the Karakoram Range, rode the Khunjerab Pass, Pakistan-occupied Kashmir, West Punjab, and Baluchistan, and ended at Gwadar Port on the Makaran Coast.

It was a passage which could not be militarily threatened by either Russia or America, while remaining easily defensible by China, and her ally Pakistan.

And just like in the 1950s, Delhi watched with a blind eye for a long decade, in the early 21st century, while Chinese construction of another transmontane highway made steady progress over Indian soil.

The similarity was astounding: fifty years on, here was Dr Manmohan Singh, another prime minister of the same Congress Party, who too seemed to believe that there still existed some parts of this country, which ‘no one was interested in’.

Such a travesty could only be perpetuated because, until 2014, that essential facility for self-denial, and dangerous self-deception, was enabled by the organied relegation of good men by the right men – again, just like in the 1950s.

If it was a Thimayya then, in 1959, it was a VK Singh now in 2012.

Look at Dr Manmohan Singh’s appointment of Shiv Shankar Menon as Foreign Secretary, for example. It beggars credulity, since that key selection was made by superseding over a dozen of the Indian Foreign Service’s senior-most officers.

That is how far down the ladder Menon was.

And that’s how we got an infamous drafting error at the India-Pakistan summit of Sharm el Sheikh in 2009, by which, an unforgivable moral equivalence was drawn between the 26/11 Mumbai attacks, and unverified, alleged Indian involvement in Baluchistan.

With a keystroke, a decades-old, bipartisan foreign policy position was offhandedly rewritten, and old gains undone.

Superseding one or two officers happens at senior levels now and then, but such a leap was unprecedented.

While Singh was technically well within his right to do what he did, the selection underscored less the assumed, staggering intellectual prowess of the officer, and smacked more of forbidding ‘Forward Policy’ days.

It also scored poorly on the First Law of Bureaucratic Competence: the worth of an officer, measured on a scale of zero to one, is the cube root of the inverse, of the number of officers he/she supersedes. (In case readers are wondering, the value here is 0.437.)

The sole difference between the 1950s and the 2010s is that India was finally awake, and possessed of a vibrant political opposition, which ensured that such wilful myopia was mercifully snubbed out by the weight of a popular mandate.

But the risks of such ideology- and personality-driven tendencies, to disastrously prioritise selfish, political durability over national interest, remain extant within our socio-political framework – even if such risks are now, slowly, visibly and thankfully beginning to ebb slightly, with each passing election.

So as sad thoughts of sadder days wind down into conclusion, the key takeaway is: the only reason Nehru’s ‘Forward Policy’ ever saw sunlight, was because capricious vanity allowed the system to be broken for political purposes.

Specifically, this took the form of senior military officers being hounded out of their posts, merely because their expert, professional advice ran wildly contrary to the demonstrably-impracticable views of their political masters.

Unfortunately, much of those machinations remain unknown to us, not least because the Henderson-Brooks/PS Bhagat inquiry report into the debacle remains classified till date.

Hence, if the present dispensation is serious about new India learning from its past, then disclosing what precisely transpired sixty years ago might be a good starting point.

Until then, one can only hope that the stout men of 7 Brigade and 4 Div understand that never again will they be put in such a spot, as their military forebears once were; and, in that knowledge, also accept the remembrances and apologies of an eternally grateful nation.

Recommended reading:

Himalayan Blunder’by Brig. JP Dalvi
After Nehru Who? by Welles Hangen
India’s China War by Neville Maxwell
The Indian Army Since Independence by Maj. KC Praval

SRajesh · Post by **SRajesh** » 09 Jun 2020 21:37

Karan M wrote:This hotel management grad knows next to nothing about the Indian defense industry, never had any real exposure to technology development or management, was busy ranting against the LCA and is now running down the IAF because it didn't choose the F-35.

Claims we need to learn the MSME approach. LOL only. Any Indian program is almost completely full of subsystems developed by Indian MSMEs carefully cultivated by the DRDO et al, and which are now graduating into systems development as well. All this started way back in 2001 as official policy. Its been two decades almost since I myself posted about it on BRF. And this gyaani badshah is busy telling us "we should do this".

This chap is talking about India's education system, as if he is himself some three collared PeeHDee in AI, arcane sciences and defense against the dark arts. When the highest idea of any topic he has is how to hog food plates. Kya comedy hain our media ecosystem. The true SMEs are hobbled by OSA, or dont even get a voice, whereas the biggest comedians are always posturing as the eggsperts.

chetak wrote:

Karanji
Ramachandra Guha is an Indian historian and economist whose research interests include environmental, social, economics, political, contemporary and cricket history.

Here is another one whose thesis was on 'Chipko'Movement
And he is Historian

No wonder kids dont know our freedom fighters let alone medieval or ancient hero's from the history

nvishal · Post by **nvishal** » 10 Jun 2020 18:08

RKumar wrote:I don’t know what has stopped us to send few drones to blast his residential compound

Wiki for radars

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 10 Jun 2020 22:33

game developers will be forced to go for halal certification next

OpIndia.com@OpIndia_com
After Muslims complain about 'idol worshiping', PUBG removes a mode from their mobile game that allegedly involved it

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 10 Jun 2020 23:04

Karan M wrote:This hotel management grad knows next to nothing about the Indian defense industry, never had any real exposure to technology development or management, was busy ranting against the LCA and is now running down the IAF because it didn't choose the F-35.

Claims we need to learn the MSME approach. LOL only. Any Indian program is almost completely full of subsystems developed by Indian MSMEs carefully cultivated by the DRDO et al, and which are now graduating into systems development as well. All this started way back in 2001 as official policy. Its been two decades almost since I myself posted about it on BRF. And this gyaani badshah is busy telling us "we should do this".

This chap is talking about India's education system, as if he is himself some three collared PeeHDee in AI, arcane sciences and defense against the dark arts. When the highest idea of any topic he has is how to hog food plates. Kya comedy hain our media ecosystem. The true SMEs are hobbled by OSA, or dont even get a voice, whereas the biggest comedians are always posturing as the eggsperts.

What do you expect from lutyen's own nationalist plant? I am truly surprised that you managed to read the whole article. I couldn't cross the second paragraph after best efforts. It was that painful.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 10 Jun 2020 23:14

It's the mindset of some people to not co-exist with idolators. which is still prevalent from cashmre to hyderabad. though the newspaper removed this news item after fearing a backlash, there is real apprehension even in the media.

another example in another city and as is well known there are even "halal" high rise buildings in cochin with certified "halal" builders.

there are the "Indian minorities" who are "oppressed and depressed" by the majority.

BTW, there are also plenty of roler buildings in bombay where none else is allowed to buy or stay

m_saini · Post by **m_saini** » 11 Jun 2020 00:00

^^So outrageous that you can't do anything but chuckle. This halal industry needs to be demolished before it gets out of control, but knowing our way of dealing with these things by barely using the kiddie gloves, i'm not very hopeful.

vera_k · Post by **vera_k** » 11 Jun 2020 06:03

^ This is legal under Indian law after the Zoroastrian case. Not much that can be done about it, unless there is a legal rethink.