Kargil War Thread - VI

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but frontal assault is used when there is no other option.


Yes Kargil saw its share of 'forlorn hope' attacks (you may find the history of the term interesting). Including charges across mine fields. That is key to understanding that the Indian military, vintage 1999 was far from being a superpower's military. The Americans have the luxury of essentially attacking Afghanistan as an alien race would decimate cavemen.

India needs to develop satellite guided weaponary, stand-off munitions, and armed unmanned air vehicles. However the politically more difficult but militarily much easier approach would have been to ignore Kargil and decimate Gilgit, Hunza and Muzzafarabad.
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Shiv, I will be keenly waiting for the video. I still remember the little we got to see of this braveheart. I am greatful to him for giving up his tomorrow for us. I can well imagine and feel the pain of his parents and family. I wish there was some way for us to show our gratitude to his family. For me Capt Batra will be the face of Kargil. Pakistan has a lot to answer for.
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Slightly OT - but I must record here my appreciation of the Karanataka (BJP) government's marking of Vijay Diwas with a good function (music and dance) to which were invited the families of martyrs and other heroes from Kargil and 26/11.

Watched must of it on the local Kannada DD channel - but was unfortunately unable to record.
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please read how Haj Pir pass was captured during 1965 and just with a pen stroke our (lal) Bhadhur gave it away. Atleast LB was honest straight forward man who died after heart ache in doing so.
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John Snow wrote:please read how Haj Pir pass was captured during 1965 and just with a pen stroke our (lal) Bhadhur gave it away. Atleast LB was honest straight forward man who died after heart ache in doing so.
you forget that the pak army was sitting in our territory as well - like at jaurian and khemkaran. if you wanted our territory back, you have to give back theirs.
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Parijat Gaur wrote:^^ Video games are not that easy to make. To make even a decent video game, one needs a team of at least 100 skilled people (trained specifically for creating games), min of 2 years and a lot of money. If you are thinking of a simple flash based game, then that is, of course, a different thing. Otherwise, it is not possible for people to come together and make games.
I already know thousand ways how it cannot be done. I was looking to know how it CAN be done.

Will do my own R&D :)
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The article is patent junk. Why give a deluded pakis rant publicity? He is just sore that 2-3 k pakis died like vermins.
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Remember that old picture of Gen VP Malik talking to a Naval Chopper Pilot?
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His story is here >> http://chhindits.blogspot.com/2009/08/n ... argil.html
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IAF pays rare tribute to Kargil martyr
NEW DELHI: In an unprecedented tribute to the martyrs of the Indian Air Force in recent times, its pilots on Friday flew an iconic four-aircraft ‘missing man’ formation to honour a brave pilot – Squadron Leader Ajay Ahuja, who laid down his life during the Kargil operations.

A ‘finger-four’ formation in MiG-21s operated by the Number 17 Squadron “Golden Arrows” was also flown on the occasion. The pilot flying in the ring-finger position of the formation pulled up vertically over the spot where floral wreaths were to be placed on the War memorial. The manoeuvre signified the spiralling away of the fallen aviator heavenwards, an official release said.
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Skeletons in the General's Cupboards
Like Lieutenant-General Pal, Major-General Budhwar was dismissive of his subordinates’ concerns. . . . General Budhwar and his subordinates seemed to inhabit different worlds. His pet project was building a zoo for Leh city. . . . Even after fighting broke out, top commanders refused to engage with reality. At a meeting of the Unified Headquarters in Srinagar on May 24, 1999, Lieutenant-General Pal insisted that there “were no concentration of troops on the Pakistani side and no battle indicators of war or even limited skirmishes.”
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Excerpt from interview of former Additional Director of the Political wing of the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) Brig. (Retd) Imtiaz Ahmad:
Monday 10 August 2009 (19 Sha`ban 1430)

Hidden secrets of Kargil

Azhar Masood | Arab News

What professional faults did you detect in the Kargil Operation's planning?

It was a classic example of military incompetence. Musharraf and the three other generals in the know (Musharraf, his then Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Aziz Khan, Commander 10 Corps Lt. Gen. Mehmud Khan and Force Commander Northern Areas Maj. Gen. Javed Hassan) only provided light-grade weaponry to combat soldiers. No air cover was given, not even proper clothing for the high-altitude environment. There was no counter-plan for a full-scale war. No contingency plan was made for the Indian navy's expected blockade of Pakistan's main naval ports. During the highest-level briefings, the naval and air chiefs expressed their protest at being kept in the dark.

Arab News
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NDTV's 20-minute episode on Kargil: Air and Sea operations detailing Op. Safed Sagar of the IAF and the Naval deployment in the western seas.
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SSridhar wrote:Skeletons in the General's Cupboards
Like Lieutenant-General Pal, Major-General Budhwar was dismissive of his subordinates’ concerns. . . . General Budhwar and his subordinates seemed to inhabit different worlds. His pet project was building a zoo for Leh city. . . . Even after fighting broke out, top commanders refused to engage with reality. At a meeting of the Unified Headquarters in Srinagar on May 24, 1999, Lieutenant-General Pal insisted that there “were no concentration of troops on the Pakistani side and no battle indicators of war or even limited skirmishes.”
Just to let you.
It was part of the game being played for Uncle, Chin and TSP.
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Acharya Saar.
Didn't quite follow what you meant in the above?
Cheers,
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Hello friends,

My comrade Badri and self were to embark on a bike ride to Drass, Batalik and Kargil area to commemorate 10 years of Kargil conflict. Our plan was that he'll start from Mumbai on his Enfield and I'll start from Rajkot (Gujarat) on my Pulsar 180. We were supposed to meet at Ahmedabad. Our route was something like this. Ahmedabad, Jaipur, Delhi, Bareilly, Chandigarh, Amritsar, Jammu, Srinagar, HAWS (Sonamarg), Drass, Batalik, Kargil, Leh, Manali, Chandigarh, Delhi, Ahmedabad. It was roughly 6000 km ride and we planned to do it in 20 days. Local papers covered this and correspondents in Ahmedabad and Jammu were also supposed to cover it.

Our intention was to pay our tributes to the brothers who laid down their lives doing the impossible. We wanted to have a look at how soldiers deployed there fight a battle of survival everyday and bring those details out to others. I had reached Ahmedabad and Badri was about to reach when I got a call informing me that my grandmother was very ill and had to be shifted to hospital. Since my parents are out of country, I had to return home and cancel the expedition. Since she has not recovered yet, I don't think we'll be able to go on this expedition as passes will close soon. But we are going next year and we have plans to shoot a documentary after getting the necessary clearances from various HQs. I have started research in order to write a decent script. Suggestions and help are always welcome. You can drop a line VayuMarut at gee mail dot COM.

Jai Hind.
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It was part of the game being played for Uncle, Chin and TSP.


Some of us will always wonder.
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sanjaykumar wrote:
Some of us will always wonder.
To be kept that way
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We forget this important event in the run-up to kargil War
1999 Apr 17, In India the Hindu nationalist government lost a vote of confidence by one vote. Prime Minister Vajpayee gave his resignation to Pres. Narayanan but agreed to stay on until a new government was formed. Sonia Gandhi of the opposition Congress Party was to form the new government. Jayaram Jayalalitha of the All-India Anna Dravida Munetra Kazagham Party broke the coalition headed by the Bharatiya Janata Party.
and
1999 May 25, India launched air strikes in the disputed mountains of the Kargil and Drass regions of Kashmir against suspected Pakistani infiltrators.
LINK : http://timelines.ws/20thcent/1999_05.HTML
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negi wrote:
ramana wrote: Negi, the delay in using IAFwas to ensure there is capability in place to manage any escalation or retaliation. The IAF in that timeframe had just completed an air exercise. All this is in the KRC report.
Well sir I fail to understand as to how does it matter unless the LOC is violated (there is no question of escalation unless LOC is violated ) and I don't think that later when Mirages and Floggers were pressed into action they crossed the LOC apart from the one Mig-27 which crashed into the TSP side after its engine flamed out.

And this talk about exercises causing the delay is even more alarming are we to believe that an AF as big as IAF cannot mobilize its couple of combat squadrons when in midst of an exercise ?

There was an agreement after 1965 to not fly fixed wing aricraft within so many km of LOC. After the decision to use airpower it required more time to ensure local air dominance. All this is in the KRC report.

Its not about a couple of squadrons to be diverted to the area. The entire WAC and SWAC had to be placed on war footing. It was moves such as this that helped keep it to local theater.

Why this sudden bout of who is SITAitis?
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Ramana garu

There is no bout of SITAitis but a mere re affirmation of my earlier stand that political bottlenecks are being passed off as legitimate 'REASONS' for blunders on the battlefield.
I brought it up in the other thread to explain as to why there might be inhibitions from GOI side as far as fielding a TN warhead is concerned.
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I distinctly remember ACM Tipnis affirm a number of times that cpveyed to the powers that be that he will use air power if and when the GOI understood and accepted the inherent escalation in it.

Army had wanted IAF to use its helicopters in attack role. Tipnis wanted govt go-ahead to mobilise entire IAF including fighters in order to be prepared for any counter move by PAF. he refused to use the choppers till this was understood and accepted.
In hindsight I think this was well justified, given PAF's response.

I'm a bit surprised that KRC report said the delay was due to an exercise. I would have thought the time to prepare WAC and SWAC would have been same, exercise or no exercise.

p.s. I remember that the major air exercise in 99 was called vayushakti -99. google tells me this was on march 7. that was quite sometime before kargil ops. was there another exercise subsequently ?
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Rahul if we keep the KRC report aside the kind of comments emanating from IA and IAF high command on this issue were not at all amusing , I do not wish to indulge in skulduggery but the basic take away for a common man is that there was an 'omission'/'blunder' as far as pressing IAF into action in time is concerned.

Having said that fwiw I distinctly remember there was a statement issued by a former IAF officer that even if IAF would have been deployed early the number of IA casualties would have been virtually unchanged.
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Tipnis can say what he wants.



How many PGM were used?

How many succeeded?

How many bombs were dropped?

How many succeeded?

It is no one's fault. High Altitude plays tricks with munitions. We had the same problems in the Siachen initially till the firing tables were sorted out.

Further, posts are on mountain tops. A very small area of ground. There will be overs and shorts. Happened with even the artillery!
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ray sir, since we can't ask him we will ask you. :)
what did he say ?

naveen, this is what wiki says.
The Indian Air Force (IAF) was first approached to provide air support on 11 May with the use of helicopters. On 21 May a Canberra on a reconnaissance mission, flown by Sqn Ldr A Perumal and Sqn Ldr UK Jha, was hit by ground fire. The flight was however, recovered safely, and returned to base on one engine. On 25 May, the Cabinet Committee on Security authorized the IAF to mount attacks on the infiltrators without crossing the LoC. Initial indications from the government to the IAF was to operate only Attack helicopters. However, the Chief of Air Staff put forth the argument that in order to create a suitable environment for the helicopters, fighter action was required. On 26 May, the go-ahead was given and the IAF started its strike role.
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Rahul M wrote:ray sir, since we can't ask him we will ask you. :)
Yes makes sense.

Btw on PGMs I remember when I joined BRF I was beaten black and blue for asking why more were not used, some economics funda was given. :(( :lol:
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PGMs --> 4 or 5 ? IIRC the numbers were quite low and in the initial days went astray since the bombs themselves were not designed to be used at those altitudes.

in the recent kargil memorial video from NDTV an IAF officer was saying that the PGMs had an altitude limit of 20,000 feet. in kargil, often the targets were at those heights !
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ray sir, since we can't ask him we will ask you. :)
what did he say ?
It is all in the public domain! :mrgreen:
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Rahul M wrote:PGMs --> 4 or 5 ? IIRC the numbers were quite low and in the initial days went astray since the bombs themselves were not designed to be used at those altitudes.
Well for just 4/5 PGMs IAF does claim a substantial level of success at least that is how the Mirage-2000 sorties are projected to even this day. Now if PGMs indeed have limitations at those heights (which might be a perfectly legitimate explanation) but at the same time Mirages did succeed in hitting at least a couple of targets with 4/5 PGMs then whats the issue ?

Economics certainly cant be one for at least 1/2 are used even for Vayu Shakti kind of exercises.
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Watching that video, seems to suggest, that the IAF used the litening pods to improve the accuracy of its conventional bombs by calibrating the targetting in high altitude.

That's innovation. Also IIRC, the IAF is supposed to have used conventional bombing to devastating effect at those altitudes, with the pakistanis crapping about how the IAF spent millions on PGMs.
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How many PGM were used?

How many succeeded?
Reg PGMS
PhilCamp Says:
Only 9 LGB’s were dropped during the whole war, 8 by the Mirage fleet and one by a Jaguar.
The IA was never convinced about their effectiveness.

But our friend Kaiser Tufail vouches for the damage done by the Mirages.
The Mirage-2000s scored at least five successful laser-guided bomb hits on forward dumping sites and posts.
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Ok, I can not dig for links on this, but from what I remember from TV during Kargil time, Muntho Dhalo and other dumps were targeted by PGMs specifically.

There is also some lack of clarity on what PGM means, supposedly non PGM iron bombs were also rigged with "some" kind of devices for attacking hill tops.

IAF spent a lot of time, showing detailed black and white pics of before and after bombings of Tiger Hill and all that.
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Sanku wrote:Ok, I can not dig for links on this...
http://indianarmy.nic.in/arkargil/kargil-web.htm :?:
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shravan wrote:
Sanku wrote:Ok, I can not dig for links on this...
http://indianarmy.nic.in/arkargil/kargil-web.htm :?:
Thanks Shravan, this report indeed backs up what I said so thanks once more. :wink:

Meanwhile precision attacks were not the only usual methods as I said before one example is
Fifthly, night operations were carried out using ingenuity and imagination; at times, excellent results were achieved by aircraft like MiG-21s using little else but a stop watch and a GPS receiver. These operations had a significant effect on the enemy’s resilience, stamina and very will to fight.
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Fellow Indian Biraders! I was going through Kargil war stories on wikipedia and came across the following link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digendra_Kumar
Key role in Kargil war

Naik Digendra Kumar (2883178A), 2 Rajputana Rifles, Maha Vir Chakra, was commander of the Light Machine Gun Group during his company's assault on Tololing feature in Dras Sector. The objective was to capture a well-fortified enemy post located in a treacherous high altitude terrain at over 15000 feet. Major Vivek Gupta, 2 Rajputana Rifles, and his Company was given the task of recapturing Point 5490. [1]

On 13 June 1999, when the Assault Group was nearing its objective it came under effective enemy fire of a well-concealed universal machine gun and heavy machine gun leading to heavy casualties in the Assault Group. Naik Digendra Kumar was hit by a bullet in his left arm. Undaunted and unmindful of his own injury, Naik Digendra Kumar kept firing with one hand and brought down effective and accurate Light Machine Gun fire on the enemy. His accurate fire kept the enemy's head down while his own men advanced towards the objective. Finally, under his effective covering fire, own troops physically assaulted the enemy position and cleared it after a hand to hand fight. Despite being seriously wounded, it was due to his courageous action that the Assault Group could finally capture the objective. [4]

The importance of this victory cannot be underestimated. Till then the daily sight of men coming down the mountains carrying their dead comrades was a distressing sight. To the men stuck on various points in mountains the taunting of the Pakistani troops had left them feeling impotent. Now the Army had got a major victory followed by a string of successes. It meant that the Pakistanis could be beaten in spite of all the odds. Once again Indian soldiers with their fierce determination, living on so little achieved the impossible. Retaking Tololing was truly the turning point of the war.

The role of Digendra in Kargil conflict was very crucial. In the Kargil war the first and foremost work was to recaptured the top of Toaloling. This task was entrusted to the 2 Rajputana Rifles. General Malik called a darbar of the Rajputana Rifles at Gumri and asked plans to free the hill Toaloling. Digendra stood up and introduced himself that he was Digendra Kumar, known as cobra, soldier of the 2 Rajputana Rifles and The Best commando of the Indian Army. He had got a plan through which victory is certain. [1]

Digendra narrated his plan that he needed 100 meters of Russian rope that should weigh 6 kg with bearing capacity of 10 tonnes along with Russian nails which could be easily put in the rocks. He also demanded injections of high power that could remove fatigue and provide courage. With this much of material they would climb the hill diring the night and put the rope upto hill top with the help of nails. The way was a formidable and inaccessible but he had examined with the telescope and tested well. [1]

In the evening of 10 June 1999 cobra Digendra hugged his colleagues. Seeing the dreadful path and the task, all had in mind that the cobra and fellow colleagues would not come alive from the mission. They understood it probably the last meeting. It was the night-time. There was deadly silence in the hills except the blasts. There was snow and snow all around. Slowly and slowly with cautious steps the cobra Digendra and his companions moved ahead with military goods. They put nails in the rocks and then tied the rope. When tired halfway took the injection. When the hands of the Digendra stopped working, he took grip of the rope with the teeth, both hands left open in the sky as if their life is in the hands of God. Down below was a pit 5000 feet deep. They began to move crawling towards the goal. At many moments they faced as if the death had come, but saved. After 14 hours of hard labour they reached the top of Tololing and felt the greatest pleasure. After all, the entire journey was with a rope. They reached back the battalion with the hanging rope. [1]

At about 11 a.m. on June 12, 1999, General Malik encouraging Digendra said, "Son! Accept congratulations of V. P. Malik 48 hours in advance of our success. Son! If we win the Kargil, Malik himself will bring breakfast for you tomorrow morning. " [1]

According to the plan to free the hill Tololing commando team included Major Vivek Gupta, Subedar Bhanwar Lal Bhakar, Subedar Surendra Singh Rathor, Lance Naik Jasvir Singh , Naik Surendra, Naik Chaman Singh Tewatia, Lans Naik Bachchan Singh, CMH Jashvir Singh, Havaldar Sultan Singh Narwar and Digendra Kumar. [1]

Pakistani army had made 11 bunkers on the Tololing hill top. Digendra was to target first and the last 11th bunkers. Rest were to target the remaining 9 bunker. They moved up with ammunition. [1]

Kargil was full of the icy wind blows. There was dense darkness and the inaccessible ways to terrify the group. The sudden blasts were heart trembling. Except the death – there was nothing to see. They started climbing hill along the rope fixed on nails in the rock. Crawling Digendra reached unknowingly where there sat the enemy and had put a machine gun. Holding the stones Digendra was moving ahead. When the blood was about to freeze they took power injections. Digendra’s hands suddenly touched a barrel of a machine gun with which the enemy was throwing the ball and it had become pretty hot. Perceiving the presence of enemy, he removed the barrel and within moments threw a grenade in the bunker where there was explosion and a loud voice came from inside - "Allah ho Akbar, the attacks of infidels !!!". [1]

Digendra hit the target perfectly. The first bunker began to fire and was reduced to ashes. From behind there was firing by Artillery tanks and 250 commandos. Pak Army had also been playing an equal share. Cobra’s colleagues did the intense firing but they were not able to move. The firing cannons were made to fire a meter above. Digendra was badly wounded. Three bullets had hit in the chest of cobra Digendra. One leg was badly wounded. Top faced 18 bullets. The cobra’s pitthu had been reduced to sieve. His one shoe was missing, pant and shirts were reduced to the pieces. Digendra’s LMG was also missing from his hands. The body refused to do anything but the brave men had not lost the courage. He did forthwith the primary treatment to prevent blood flow. [1]

The Pak Army Major Anwar Khan sitting on top of the hill was roaring. The roar of Anwar Khan brought Digendra to senses and arouse his courage. [1]

When he saw behind he found that Subedar Bhanwar Lal Bhakar, Lance Naik Jasvir Singh, Naik Surendra, and Naik Chaman Singh had taken the last breaths. Digendra was given pistol by the Lans Naik Bachhan Singh, Sultan Singh gave the grenade and then wavering mother’s Chunari they took last bade. Major Vivek Gupta, bravely faced the enemy, but as he took support of stones, he was hit with bullet in the head, the soil became red with his blood and he slept in earth mother's lap for ever. Rathor gave his pistol and ammunition and died. This way all the colleagues of Digendra had received martyrdom. [1]

Digendra had some courage and then hurled grenades in other bunker and doing so – he destroyed all bunkers. He threw 18 grenades in 11 bunkers. Major Anwar Khan suddenly came just in front. Anwar Khan was shot on his pistol that fell away, and it was the last bullet in Digendra’s pistol. Digendra tried to shoot with the pistol but to vane. He had to regret. Digendra jumped on Anwar Khan. Both rolled along for a while. Anwar Khan tried to run away, but Digendra picked him with neck. Digendra jumped and kicked on the back of Khan. Khan fell in a ditch and started to cry in pain. Digendra was wounded but picked Major Anwar Khan with his hair, cut his neck and hailed Mother India. [1]

It was only a coincidence that a U.S. satellite passes over the top of Tololing at that moment to find that a young beard man binding scarf around his head with the cut head of Major Anwar Khan in his hand was trying to put Indian flag and hailing Mother India. The satellite captured this file photo. [1]

Thus Digendra with great difficulty could reach and recapture top of the hill and put the Indian tri-colour flag on 13 June 1999 at four O’clock in the morning. [1]

The Indian Army reached Tololing peak early in the morning and found heaps of dead soldiers. The Indian tri-colour flag was hoisted and on its side was Digendra in unconscious state with cut head of Major Anwar Khan of the Pakistan Army in his hand. Digendra was carried to Military Hospital and put in Cobra hut. The Prime Minister of India Mr Atal Bihar Bajpai and the President of India Mr K R Narain visited Cobra and congratulated him for his bravery. [1]
The picture of MVC Digendra Kumar would send shivers down the enemy's spine :twisted:

However the writeup is more akin to a Bollywood script with lot of grammatical errors. Also, what injections are being talked about? Would they be similar to the one's that Kasab and company used during 26/11
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Re: Kargil War Thread - VI

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A lot of information is out there on the web, though we dont have names and squadrons:

July 09: Accurate strikes were carried out against enemy supply camps and gun positions by IAF Mirage-2000s on the enemy concentration along the river running from Pt 4388 in the Dras sector Northwards across the LoC. Four Mirage-2000H dropped 24 high explosive 1000 lb bombs (~12 tons of HE) in this restricted area. Some more attacks were carried out during the day which proved equally effective. Towards the evening, four MiG-21s neutralised an enemy gun position on a ridge in the Kaksar area. The Army confirmed that this attack was also extremely effective, and that the bombs were seen to land directly on the enemy camp.

July 10: Pre-empting the enemy's attempt to continue operations from the enemy supply camp near Pt 4388, in the morning three Indian Air Force Mirage-2000H once again attacked this camp in an accurate and effective air strike with 15x1000 Lb bombs.

Sanku wrote:Ok, I can not dig for links on this, but from what I remember from TV during Kargil time, Muntho Dhalo and other dumps were targeted by PGMs specifically.

There is also some lack of clarity on what PGM means, supposedly non PGM iron bombs were also rigged with "some" kind of devices for attacking hill tops.

IAF spent a lot of time, showing detailed black and white pics of before and after bombings of Tiger Hill and all that.
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