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Gunjur wrote:
Vipul wrote:With this the total installed capacity has reached 2,00,287 MW, an official release said. The installed capacity includes 1,32,013 MW capacity in the thermal sector, 38,991 MW in hydro, 4,780 MW in nuclear and 24,503 MW in renewable energy.
The gap between hydro electricity and renewable energy is not much. This was news to me. Can we know the breakup of 24,503 Mw in renewable sector? How much in solar, how much in wind power etc? Also Q to guru's here, is there any tidal power plants in india.
We have a capacity to go to 150,000 MW with hydro, if the waters of the east (including Nepal and Bhutan) are properly exploited.

Another thing that is under exploited is Gas, especially with massive reserves with ourselves in the neighborhood, both east and west.
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ShauryaT wrote:We have a capacity to go to 150,000 MW with hydro, if the waters of the east (including Nepal and Bhutan) are properly exploited.
Hopefully transmission efficiency is also improved as they need to be brought from NE to other places.. Also is there any plans of setting up tidal plants?? As this is a relatively newer tech, pvt players may not want to invest where returns may not be high or even no return initially.
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As predicted there has been a whole spate of commissioning s. The load shedding in North TN has eased a little, if you can call 4 hour power cuts easing up. With Vallur and Simhadri coal starting up, TN is getting an additional 700 MW. Next up is North Chennai with 1200 MW and Mettur with 300 MW then Neyveli with 250 and Tuticorin with 1000 MW. That should just about cover the present shortage. Somewhere in there KKNPP may start up as well.
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Are both of the KKNPP VVER-1000s going to be operational this year or only one? And does anybody know when the first VVER-1200 is going to become operational (or rather the targetted operationalization since Udaykumar Part Deux can't be ruled out)?
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IIRC there is going to be a 6 month gap in the operationalization of the two units.So depending on when the first unit is commissioned the other one may or may not happen this year.
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Does anyone know the share of power to each state in South India from the Kudankulam Nuclear power project?
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Tamil Nadu’s share of the 2,000MWe to be generated at Kudankulam would be 925MWe, Karnataka’s 442MWe, Kerala’s 266MWe and Puducherry’s 67MWe while 300MWe is unallocated
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If I am not wrong TN's current deficit is around 1500 MWe. KKNP alone cannot close that gap, the new units that Theo mentioned should plug the gap and make TN power surplus after Gujarat.
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http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/04/1 ... QH20120413

HONG KONG/NEW DELHI, April 13 (Reuters) - Power Construction Corporation of China has signed a$2.4 billion contract to build the second phase of a massive coal-fired power complex in southern India to help meet soaring local demand for electricity, the firm said on Friday.
China has been playing an active role in power project construction overseas, particularly in developing countries, taking advantage of state financing as well as experience and technology acquired through three decades of economic boom.
Many Indian power companies have been ordering equipment from overseas, especially from China, as India's power gear makers have struggled to compete on price. After losing out to Chineserivals, Indian manufacturers have been lobbying the government to impose duty on equipment imports.
The second phase of the project forIndia's Infrastructure Leasing & Financial Services Limited (IL&FS) will include the addition of four generators each of capacity 660 megawatts (MW), the Chinese group said on its website.
The deal is an EPC contract, meaning Power Construction Corp will be responsible for engineering,procurement and construction. It said the project will create more than 10,000 jobs in India and use power equipment made in China.
Power Construction Corp, a sprawling enterprise under the direct supervision of China's centralgovernment, was created last year through a state-dictated merger of dozens of domestic survey and design institutions, power construction companies and equipment manufacturers.
The group, parent of Chinese dam builder Sinohydro Group that was listed in Shanghai in October following a $2.1 billion initial public offering, aims to list itself aswell, Chinese media have said.
Power Construction Corp, with total assets of 196 billion yuan ($31billion) and 200,000 employees at the end of 2010, said it generated total profits of 6.47 billion yuan on revenue of 160 billion in 2010.
Its strategy is to "become a world famous corporation with strong international competitiveness," it says.
INDIA COAL SHORTAGE
IL&FS said it would import coal from Indonesia, Australia and South Africa to fuel the plant, the first phase of which included two generators each with capacity of 600 MW, and is scheduled to commence commercial operations by June next year. It has acquired a mine in Indonesia to supply the generators.
IL&FS plans to sell the power from the project to state-run distribution companies on a long-term basis as well as in the open market.
Indian newspaper The Financial Express, citing an unnamed source, reported in March that Singapore-based Ascol, a consortium of four private equity investors, planned tobuy control of the project's operator -- IL&FS Tamil Nadu Power Company that is a unit of IL&FS.
Officials at IL&FS Tamil Nadu Powerand Ascol were not immediately available for comment.
Coal fuels more than half of India's power capacity of 191,000 MW andwill be required for 85 percent of the 76,000 MW additional capacity targeted to be added in the next five years.
About 9,000 megawatts, nearly 10 percent of India's total coal-fired generating capacity, became unviable last year after Indonesia changed rules on coal prices. These plants have long-term agreements to sell power to states and no flexibility to pass on increased costs.
Slow environmental clearances andland acquisition have led to stagnating coal output in the country and have increased dependence on imports. State-run Coal India, which accounts for 80 percent of India's coal output, produced about 436 million tonnesin 2011/12, missing a scaled-down target. ($1=6.3073 Chinese yuan) (Reporting by Charlie Zhu and Sanjeev Choudhary; Editing by Clarence Fernandez)
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Does India have full and independent know-how on 'alternative' energies like waste-heat recovery and co-generation? Or does India need foreign consultants and regular tech-transfer from abroad still?
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http://ibnlive.in.com/news/wind-blows-o ... 0-120.html
In a welcome relief from the sweltering heat, there was no power cut in Tamil Nadu on Tuesday. The bumper wind generation of upto 2,000 MW saved the day for both the consumers and the Tamil Nadu Generation and Distribution Corporation (TANGEDCO).

Hence, the entire demand of 9,000 MW was met. Speaking to Express, Indian Wind Power Association chairman K Kasturirangan said wind generation has been on the upswing. On Monday, the wind generation was 2,300 MW, preceded by 1,570 MW and 1,100 MW over the previous days.

“Last year, gusty winds began by April 20 but this year it was a little late. From April 28, we usually see good winds upping production,” he said.
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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-0 ... overs.html
India’s Quest for Coal Stalls as Red Tape Kills Mining Takeovers
India’s quest for natural resources to power its growing economy and compete with China has met the enemy: Its own red tape. In one would-be deal, International Coal Ventures Ltd., a venture of state-owned companies, had to run a gauntlet of seven ministries and a committee, called the Empowered Committee of Secretaries, to seek approval to buy a coal mine in Australia, two people with knowledge of the matter said. The company is still awaiting a sign-off after four months, as the overseeing committee hasn’t met for three months to discuss the $300 million deal. The delay has cost International Coal its status as exclusive bidder for the mine, owned by Aquila Resources Ltd., said one of the people.The balky approval process highlights the challenge facing Prime Minister Manmohan Singh as he jostles with China for resources needed to reduce India’s reliance on imported coal, copper and other raw materials. Chinese companies have completed $21 billion of overseas acquisitions of coal and mining assets in the past two years, more than four times the value of India’s deals, including private purchases, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. India’s domestic coal production, which fires more than half of its power generation, is falling behind demand. In five years, the country will need 981 million metric tons annually compared with output of 715 million tons, the government estimates. Environmental restrictions and approval delays have stymied efforts to expand production. To offset the gap this year, India may import more than 118 million tons of coal, a volume that would see it overtake China as the world’s biggest buyer, according to Daniel Hynes, a director of commodity research at Citigroup Inc. in Sydney.
Policy Paralysis’ India has taken steps to speed up deals, prodded by the country’s industrialists, including Tata Group Chairman Ratan Tata, who met with Singh in January. State-run companies were granted greater powers to acquire coal, oil and other mineral assets without first consulting the government. “Availability of raw material is a prerequisite not only for the growth of the manufacturing sector, but for the economy as a whole,” Information and Broadcasting Minister Ambika Soni said, citing a decision taken by the Cabinet of Ministers in October. The easing was the latest twist in India’s official policy. In March 2010 the government said it was considering raising a sovereign wealth fund to help state companies compete for overseas energy assets. The fund has yet to be created. In December 2010, Coal Minister Sriprakash Jaiswal said buying coal mines was a “top priority,” later traveling to Europe to seek coal assets and mining technology. Then in September last year, Jaiswal changed course and said Coal India, the world’s largest producer of the commodity, should focus on boosting domestic production rather than on overseas purchases.
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Power capacity addition target for FY’13 set at 18,000 MW
The target may be around 16,000 MW during this fiscal and also additional 2,000 MW of nuclear power capacity, sources said.
The government has added about 53,000 MW power generation capacity in the past five years (2007-12), around 9,000 MW short of the target of 62,000 MW. The Power Ministry also envisages to add 76,000 MW in the coming five years (2012-17), even though the Planning Commission has proposed a target of above 90,000MW
According to the Planning Commission estimates, the country’s energy supply needs to grow at 6.5 per cent annually if the nation wants to achieve annual economic growth of 9 per cent during the 12th Five Year Plan period (2012—17)
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Government of India's Least Cost Bidder systems fruits become apparent:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city ... 427921.cms
Chinese 'invasion' leaves Haryana powerless
Ajay Sura, TNN | May 24, 2012, 06.19AM IST


CHANDIGARH: If Haryana is hit by erratic and unscheduled power cuts, like many other things, blame it on China. The All-India Power Engineers' Federation, the apex body of power engineers in the country, has shot a letter to the Union power ministry claiming that there have been repeated breakdowns particularly in newly-constructed Chinese units in the power plants of Khedar in Hisar and Yamunanagar districts of Haryana.

In the letter, the federation has informed that the old units of indigenous Bharat Heavy Electrical Limited (BHEL) at Panipat are performing well, while new units from China have developed faults in the turbine at Khedar as well as in the Yamunanagar unit.

Recently, Haryana power minister Ajay Yadav had told TOI that breakdowns in power units of Haryana were so unpredictable that it was not possible for the state to announce power outages in advance anywhere in Haryana, including Gurgaon. Both the units in Yamunanagar, 300 MW each, are shut since April 1, while one unit of 600 MW in Khedar is shut since April 28, causing a sudden shortfall of 1200 MW in the state. Both these plants had Chinese equipment and they were all due to turbine vibrations.

A departmental inquiry into the bending of turbine rotor of unit 2 at Yamunanagar also confirmed serious deficiencies in construction and design of these equipment.

According to official figures, Haryana procured Chinese equipment at a low cost of Rs 3.49 crore per MW at Yamunanagar and Rs 3.19 crore per MW at Khedar in Hisar, while BHEL units would have cost around Rs 4 to 4.5 crore for every MW.

"While buying turbines at low cost could have been a short-term gain, the savings would be wiped out in the first or second year of the plant due to poor performance and generation loss," said the Padamjit Singh, chairman, All-India Power Engineers' Federation. "There is a perception among power engineers in the state that the poor performance of plants in Haryana is a result of winning bids for construction of thermal plants at the lowest price, compromising on quality," added Singh.

Haryana has three major sources of power production - Yamunanagr power plant (600MW), Khedar in Hisar (1200 MW) and Panipat thermal power plant (1360 MW). The state is expected to face minimum shortage of around 288 lakh units daily on account of forced outage of these units till the end of June.
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Here is picture of the damaged turbine blades. kind big. Apparently even the spindle is no longer true. :cry: There are 80 year old spindles that still run just fine in India.

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Considering a significant component of the Chinese trade surplus with us is heavy engineering goods, it looks like their poor workmanship will guarantee their surplus is eroded in future as our infrastructure and utility providers wise up and pick BHEL instead.
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Its not just BHEL, there are now other suppliers like JSW, Bharat Forge, L&T, BGR and Gammon all in tie-ups with global biggies.
No need for Chinese junk.
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Penny wise pound foolish behaviour is the way to go in the Government of India
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Yogi_G wrote:If I am not wrong TN's current deficit is around 1500 MWe. KKNP alone cannot close that gap, the new units that Theo mentioned should plug the gap and make TN power surplus after Gujarat.
The Elephant in the room is the Stragetic strike by our patriotic communists at NLC has reduced power generation to 1000MW from 2400 MW.
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ASPuar wrote:Penny wise pound foolish behaviour is the way to go in the Government of India
Country loss, my foreign bank account credit has been the behaviour of many in Private and public sector in India.
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This story from a couple of years ago shows that China has sabotaged thousands of megawatts worth of electric capacity by unloading its junk equipment on India.

Dongfang turbine fails trial runs at Lanco’s power project

Chinese firms are to supply equipment to several projects but this failure again raises quality issues

Utpal Bhaskar

New Delhi: A turbine supplied by China’s Dongfang Electric Corp. Ltd to a power project in Amarkantak, Chhattisgarh, failed during trial runs in January, said people close to the matter.

Matter of concern: Lanco Infratech’s CMD Lagadapati Madhusudhan Rao. Of the 1,400MW that the company plans to sell in the open market, 500MW is meant to come from the Chhattisgarh project. Bharath Sai / Hindustan Times
“During the trial runs of the project, the bearings of the turbine went dry in unit 1 and (this) has affected the commissioning of the project,” said a person who is aware of the development and didn’t want to be named.
This is the second such incident involving turbines supplied by Dongfang. A turbine it supplied to West Bengal Power Development Corp. Ltd’s 300MW Sagardighi project had also failed in mid-2008.

The Chhattisgarh project, developed by Lanco Amarkantak Power Pvt. Ltd, was in the process of commissioning a 300MW unit when the incident with Dongfang’s turbine occurred. The project has two units of 300MW each.

The Amarkantak plant, whose installed capacity may be expanded to 1,920MW, is promoted by Lanco Infratech Ltd and KVK Energy Pvt. Ltd, both based in Hyderabad, and German government-owned project financier Deutsche Investitions-und Entwicklungsgesellschaft mbH (DEG).

“The unit has not been properly erected. There are some testing issues as well. The quality of equipment from Dongfang is yet to be assured,” said an official at the Central Electricity Authority (CEA), India’s apex power sector planning body, who was aware of the failure. He also didn’t want to be identified.

Wen Ya, Dongfang’s chief representative in India, was away in China. Li Qi, who is currently in charge of the India office, said by email: “For Amarkantak unit No.1, due to (the) commissioning fail(ure), the bearings are damaged... Right now the bearings of unit No.1 have already be(en) reinstalled, and the turbine case will be closed within this month.”

Qi said he expected to restart the unit by the middle of next month. He also said that DEG and Dongfang would hold “serious” discussions “to find out the reason of this accident.”

Questions emailed to Lanco’s spokesperson went unanswered.

The Amarkantak incident brings to the fore issues about the quality of Chinese power generation equipment. Several power projects developers in India that would together generate 22,000MW have placed orders for equipment from Chinese firms that include Dongfang, Shanghai Electric Power Co. Ltd and Harbin Power Equipment Co. Ltd. Of these, almost 40% are with Dongfang. Indian manufacturers, hit by competitive pricing, have been unable to meet the growing demand for equipment.

Last year, a government audit on Chinese power equipment was completed without any of the companies, including Dongfang, participating. CEA conducted the survey at the behest of state-owned Bharat Heavy Electricals Ltd (Bhel), which competes with Chinese firms to supply power equipment, as reported by Mint on 5 August. Bhel had alleged that the equipment provided by these companies was of poor quality.

“Today all the projects using Chinese equipment are facing problems. It will be only after one or two years, when time will tell whether these issues have been taken care of,” CEA chairman Rakesh Nath had earlier told Mint.

R.V. Shahi, former Union power secretary and chairman of Energy Infratech Pvt. Ltd, an energy consulting company, said: “When we award projects in our contract documents, we must lay down specific points to check the equipment quality. At those stages, independent inspection by renowned inspection agencies or by internal inspection teams must be carried out.”

Lanco Infratech has an installed electricity generation capacity of 524MW and is involved in projects that would have installed capacity to produce another 7,880MW.

The Amarkantak project has a significant role to play in Lanco’s merchant power plans—out of the proposed 1,400MW of merchant power allocation planned by the company, 500MW has been earmarked from the project, Lagadapati Madhusudhan Rao, chairman and managing director, Lanco, had earlier told Mint. Merchant power is a term used by the industry to describe electricity sold in the open market.
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Last year, this report came out. Leads me to think that it was a payoff job by the Chinese.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/busi ... 216583.cms
China power gear better than Bhel’s


Sanjay Dutta, TNN | Jul 14, 2011, 12.51AM IST

NEW DELHI: Amid demand from domestic industry for duty barriers against power equipment imports from China, the Planning Commission has said plants set up with Chinese gear have shown better performance than those using items supplied by state-run Bhel. The panel's report card on the power sector's performance so far in the 2007-12 Plan period and the strategy for 2011-12 also raises concerns over Bhel's management capacity in setting up new plants. It also flags delayed supply of equipment by the company as one of the impediments to increase the pace of generation capacity addition this fiscal.

"Bhel has added new manufacturing capacity but has poor management capacity in setting up new power plants. There has been serious delay in plants where Bhel has supplied T&G (turbine & generator) or boilers. Performance of new power plants based on Chinese equipment is better," the report card says.

Indeed, delay in equipment supply by Bhel has been a recurrent theme in almost all meetings to review the government's capacity addition plan. Major projects, including those that were planned for the Commonwealth Games, have been delayed due to Bhel's failure to deliver key equipment such as turbines, generators and boilers on time.
But the observation on the performance of Bhel's equipment is sure to ruffle many feathers in the government, and will be music to private power firms. Those seeking protection against Chinese imports have been raising doubt over the quality of imported equipment.

Under pressure from domestic industry, the heavy industries ministry has been pushing for duty barriers against Chinese imports. Chinese manufacturers are estimated to have orders of over Rs 25,000 crore from India and the government is unwilling to impose duty barriers on Chinese imports in the ongoing Plan period.
A few years ago, the panel reckoned India's GDP must grow at over 9% for the next 25 years if poverty has to be eradicated completely. To fuel that kind of growth, generation capacity has to grow six-seven times of the 2003-04 level, factoring a 20% reduction in energy use per unit of GDP due to increased efficiency. It could lead to building a capacity of 960,000 MW by 2031-32.

The situation on the ground, however, is stark. Slipping deadlines forced the government to reduce the capacity addition target from 78,700 MW in the 11th Plan to 62,347 MW. Against this, only 34,462 MW has been added during the four years of the Plan. And, a bulk of this capacity has come on stream after exceeding their planned completion.
It looks almost impossible that another 30,000 MW will be added in the remaining months of the ongoing fiscal, the terminal year of the 11th Plan. The tardy progress may also impact the 12 th Five-Year Plan period, starting April 2012.
The government met only 36% of the goal set for the quarter ended March 31. Power secretary P Uma Shankar recently told the panel that only 2,430 MW generation capacity was added in the fourth quarter of 2010-11 against a target of 6,691 MW.

What is more alarming is the fact that but for the third unit of the Wardha-Warora plant in Maharashtra, which was not part of the 2010-11 Plan target, the actual capacity addition would have been even lower. The private sector project contributed 135 MW.

Central sector projects contributed most to the lag, with 10 units aggregating 2,354 MW included in the target. The state sector list had eight units, aggregating 1,695 MW and four units in the private sector with a combined capacity of 1,542 MW.

In addition, some 26 units aggregating 4,868 MW that were to be commissioned in the first three quarters of 2010-11 could not be commissioned even in the fourth quarter. These include three units in the central sector aggregating 1,250 MW, 11 units totalling 2,472 MW and 12 units of 1,145 MW in the private sector.
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Aspuar thats what I call case closed.
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Meanwhile Mettur fire damage is fixed in less than 20 day!! The state continues to survive on wind power.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/states/tam ... 477319.ece
The fourth unit of the 840 MW Mettur Thermal Power Station, which was damged in a fire 20 days ago, resumed operations on Thursday.

The station has a total of four units of 210 MW each. Between Sunday and Tuesday, production was revived in three units. By Friday morning, the station will be able to produce power to its capacity. On Thursday evening, 700 MW was generated.

MTPS Chief Engineer M. Madhu told The Hindu that all four units were fully operational and generation would touch the full capacity of 840 MW late in the night. The fire in the 180-metre-long conveyor belt carrying coal on May 10 killed a worker and injured two others.

A team led by the Chairman of the Tamil Nadu Generation and Distribution Corporation (TANGEDCO), Rajeev Ranjan, inspected the plant and expedited restoration works.

Over 500 workers removed iron scrap and carried out the work on a war-footing to install a new conveyor system. Furnace oil and steam pipelines were also replaced.
Maintenance work

In the meantime, maintenance works were carried out in all the four units. On Thursday morning, the power demand of 9,440 MW was met at 7-50 a.m. Of the generated quantum, wind energy accounted for the maximum of 2,654 MW followed by thermal power stations of Tamil Nadu Generation and Distribution Corporation – 2,420 MW and the Central generating stations, including Neyveli Thermal Station I – 2,145 MW.
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http://www.business-standard.com/taketw ... du/475853/
The sheer number of projects experiencing delays because of BHEL is breathtaking. The 2x800-Mw super critical project at Udangudi as well as the 1,000-Mw thermal power project at Tuticorin, Tamil Nadu, have also been delayed for about three years now, costing the latter Rs 2 crore per day, according to NLC General Manager Ganesan. The various phases at the Rs 5,423.55-crore project at Vallur have also been delayed by 18-20 months. According to the 11th Plan (F2008-12) working group report, 14 per cent (5.7 Gw) of the planned capacity was missed because of BHEL’s failure to provide equipment on time.

What could be the reason for such consistent failure in meeting deadlines? BHEL says that matters are simply out of its hands. These hiccups, its officials say, are directly linked to factors such as lack of human resource needed for construction, land-acquisition issues, regulatory clearances and the country's poor infrastructure.

A K Ghosh, CEO, BHEL Power Sector, Southern Region (PSSR), illustrates this by pointing out that when BHEL was trying to move a 380-metric-tonne stator motor to the North Chennai Unit-II project from its Haridwar plant in Uttarakhand, it fell in a river due to a bridge collapse at Binapure, 40 km from Gairatganj near Bhopal in Madhya Pradesh. A sea route had to be used instead, and the shipment experienced further delays at the port. NLC’s Tuticorin project is dogged by land acquistion problems, says BHEL. And, in Rajasthan, the quality of lignite mined is vastly different from the sample given to BHEL for the purpose of designing boilers.
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Please move, if needed, to the appropriate thread.

http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/article3547601.ece
Why is it (Engineering) often many times more expensive than in Australia, my home? ... No matter which method you use — a hand pump, bribing government carriers to bring water when you need it, buying it in 20 litre plastic containers — safe drinking water is many times the cost in Perth. Energy also costs many times more. With intermittent supplies, one needs a UPS or generator to run electrical equipment reliably. In addition, electric machines are usually inefficient and poorly maintained so it can be four-five times as expensive to achieve the same results as in Australia. ... Could corruption explain this? Reliable sources estimate the additional cost at 15-25 per cent. ... However, engineering is much more than applied science. Engineering is a coordinated social performance of many people with the technical expertise distributed among them, like an orchestra. Social interactions constrain the results just as the strength of steel limits the height of our tallest buildings. In South Asia, hierarchical organisations, language differences, and deep social chasms disrupt the performance. For instance, artisans will only speak when asked, and will keep silent if speaking means loss of face for superiors. It turns out that engineering education, around the world, is almost blind to the realities of practice. We found 40 other critical aspects that educators inadvertently miss or misrepresent. As a result, young engineers seem oblivious to the subtleties needed to coordinate people and their education seems to impair their ability to learn.
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Govt to impose 5% customs duty on power equipment


In addition, the government will also impose a 10% countervailing duty (CVD), a sort of equalization levy to make up for the excise on local products, and 4% special additional duty (SAD), taking the total to 19%, according to two government officials aware of the development who requested anonymity.
That duty structure will apply only to the so-called mega projects, or those generating at least 1,000 megawatts (MW).

For non-mega projects, the overall duty will increase to 21%—5% import duty, 10% CVD, 2% excise duty and 4% SAD.



Along with turbines and boilers, Indian firms have brought in Chinese workers and made them feel quite at home, offering Chinese food in their cafeterias and recreational activities like ping pong and badminton.
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North India is power starved, yet Himachal's excess goes abegging
Officials of Himachal Pradesh State Electricity Board Ltd said that Punjab, Haryana, Delhi, Uttar Pradesh and Uttarakhand were among the regular buyers from the state till last summer. The cash-starved distribution companies of these states preferring to impose power cuts rather than procuring power.
Given the lack of customers available locally, this is where selling power to Pakistan makes sense.
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Who's to be blamed for UP power crunch?

http://news.in.msn.com/exclusives/it/ar ... =250219876
In Uttar Pradesh, even a crippling power crisis isn't above politics. Quickly forced to rescind its June 17 order that all malls, shops, IT/BPO firms and other establishments in the National Capital Region would be shut by 7 p.m. daily for the next fortnight, the Akhilesh Yadav-led Samajwadi Party (SP) government is looking to shift the blame for inadequate power supply on the policies of former chief minister Mayawati.

"The Chief Minister doesn't want to hear that 10 power generation units in the state are down with snags, creating a shortfall of 1,800 megawatt (MW). He gets annoyed when we tell him that while the average daily demand is 12,000 MW, it goes up to 13,200 MW in summer. In fact, he gets angry at every explanation," says an Uttar Pradesh Power Corporation Limited (UPPCL) official who attended a meeting called by Akhilesh on June 18, the day the government withdrew its 7 p.m. closure order. The message is clear: The government, which came to power on the promise of power supply for 20 hours daily in rural areas and 22 hours in urban areas, won't talk about improving power generation and distribution. Instead, it is hunting for 'political angles'.

SP chief Mulayam Singh Yadav dug up one such 'political conspiracy' at a meeting in Lucknow on June 17, telling party workers that there was power theft of up to 40 per cent in the state and some officers loyal to the previous government were conspiring to aggravate the power crisis. "The BSP (Bahujan Samaj Party) Chief Minister (Mayawati) didn't care for the cleaning and repair of machines of the power generation and distribution units. Power worth Rs 6,000 crore was purchased on credit from others during BSP's rule. Now the burden is on us to pay the dues," Mulayam said. The SP Chief then brought the late V.P. Singh into his line of fire. "My government wanted to set up a 25,000 MW power plant (the Dadri power project) in Ghaziabad in 2005. But a former Prime Minister organised protests and scuttled the plan. I procured electricity from West Bengal and Karnataka during my rule and ensured uninterrupted power supply. But the previous government spoilt everything," he added.

Mulayam might claim credit, but sources in UPPCL say this practice of procuring power from other states on credit, which the SP Chief resorted to as Chief Minister between 2003 and 2007 and which Mayawati followed from 2007 to March 2012, is one of main reasons behind the current crisis. Proof of this was evident on June 18 when the Himachal Pradesh government declared that Uttar Pradesh owes it Rs 180 crore and it would supply more power only after the realisation of dues. A UPPCL official adds, "We have to pay dues of about Rs 3,200 crore to various states. They have refused to give us power anymore."

Politics has also affected plans to increase power generation in the state. The Akhilesh government has scrapped power projects worth Rs 6,168 crore in Karchana, Meja, Aanpara and Lalitpur, foundation stones for which were laid during BSP rule, and declared that it would come up with other power projects.

Meanwhile, the state reels from darkness after sunset. Lucknow and its outlying areas suffer power cuts of about eight hours daily. Kanpur, a hub of leather industries, has electricity for about 14 hours in a day. Noida, Greater Noida and Ghaziabad residents get 10 to 16 hours of power supply. The rural hinterland is the worst off. 'We are getting five to six hours of power daily. There's no rain and we have to plant paddy. What will happen if we don't have power to draw water from tubewells?' asks Brijesh Govind Rao, 40, a resident of Ramkola in Kushinagar.

'Although the Chief Minister has said that industries should be given priority, our focus is also on farmers and rural areas,' assures Waqar Ahmed Shah, the state's labour minister. Shailendra Dubey, secretary-general of the All India Power Engineers Federation, sums up the situation: 'The crux of the matter is lack of vision of successive governments, non-maintenance of existing power projects, high-handedness of the private companies involved in tariff collection, increased demand in summer and the corruption of a section of officials and consumers who steal power.'
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CERC: Uttar Pradesh may revise tariff on power soon

http://www.yourmoneysite.com/news/2012/ ... -soon.html
The CERC chairman said the body is ensuring that tariff revision is done on objective grounds and that the revision process is an apolitical one. Moreover, Deo pointed out that CERC has found that tariff revision in past had been inadequate and the Shunglu Committee has found 5-6 states which are severely lagging in revision. According to him, the state of Tamil Nadu has not seen a tariff revision in eight years.

Deo said, “Though there is a need to ensure complete pass-through in fuel cost, the regulator’s role is limited in bidding guidelines.” He further pointed out that the state of Uttar Pradesh may revise tariff on power soon.

Lastly Deo pointed out that power generators need to be assured of payments and on the ability of distribution companies to pay.
Steep 26% power hike in Capital New Delhi

http://zeenews.india.com/news/delhi/ele ... 83964.html
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nawabs wrote:CERC: Uttar Pradesh may revise tariff on power soon

http://www.yourmoneysite.com/news/2012/ ... -soon.html
The CERC chairman said the body is ensuring that tariff revision is done on objective grounds and that the revision process is an apolitical one. Moreover, Deo pointed out that CERC has found that tariff revision in past had been inadequate and the Shunglu Committee has found 5-6 states which are severely lagging in revision. According to him, the state of Tamil Nadu has not seen a tariff revision in eight years.
The above statement highlighted in bold fonts is wrong.
After the ADMK came to power in 2011, TN govt. increased the price of Power (and Bus fares, Milk prices too) in a steep manner and it now offers zero subsidy for the common man who consumes more than 500 units of electricity over the period of 2 months. I am now paying ~ 2100 odd INR for consuming the same amount of power that previously used to cost ~ 800 odd INR.
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vera_k wrote:North India is power starved, yet Himachal's excess goes abegging
Officials of Himachal Pradesh State Electricity Board Ltd said that Punjab, Haryana, Delhi, Uttar Pradesh and Uttarakhand were among the regular buyers from the state till last summer. The cash-starved distribution companies of these states preferring to impose power cuts rather than procuring power.
Given the lack of customers available locally, this is where selling power to Pakistan makes sense.
North South Grid interconnection is not enough to carry surplus power to Southern Grid. Hence the problem. Cash crunch and overdrawal is nother issue. Overdrawal now leads to heavy penalty.
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My Dad's power bill in TN has sky rocketed into the Rs 5,500 / month range. He is buying a PV system and having it installed next week for just under Rs 75,000 for 1.9 KW. He already has a back-up power unit at home and apparently there is a cottage industry of folks rewiring them for PV. He just needs to add 2-3 car batteries. With the latest power rate increase, the payback is just 3-4 years apparently. He says his two neighbors already have them. Mandatory req. similar to RWH are coming from what I hear.
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On a somewhat related note:

Brazilian prison incentivizes prisoners to provide pedal-powered energy

The prison has offered to shave time off of prisoners' sentences if they'll charge batteries using special bikes and their own two legs.

Jornal Nacional reports that city judge José Henrique Mallmann got the idea for his battery-charging bikes from other prisons that offer prisoners incentives for riding bikes. For example, in Phoenix, Ariz.'s Tent City Jail, female prisoners are required to pedal a stationary bicycle when they watch television, with the bike generating enough energy to power the TV set. Under Mallmann's plan, however, prisoners can actually reduce their sentences by pedaling, albeit a little bit at a time. For every 16 hours a prisoner pedals, he shaves a day off of his sentence
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theo -- what is RWH?
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Rainwater harvesting.
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ah ok. rs.75000 -- ~$1400 is unbelievable price for a 1.9kW system!!! how can it be so cheap!!! as i mentioned, india will be first country to deploy decentralized residential solar on a massive scale.

we need something like below to be truly decentralized

http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.as ... opnav=&s=1
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Yes! Just a year back he had priced similar system it at well over 2.5 lakhs. Several things are working for him. GOI grants are what I heard. He is getting a refurbished inverter and batteries apparently. And he already has backup unit, see. All very jugaad. We will see how it goes. There are many who promise much and then.... :evil:

My neigbhor in USA offered me a deal to go for panels @ 63 cents a watt plus shipping. I wish I could buy some and ship to India!
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you still cant beat the price in india. except panels (i accept ignorance here) most if not all of the other items are locally made in india. many inverter companies are small scale industries actually. that will be big attraction for the govt to subsidize the panels to enable deployment.

when i am in india next, i will investigate this seriously for our home in chennai...

i found the below link. i dont know how far this project has progressed.
http://www.tinytechindia.com/solar6kwtp.htm

if alone we get private investment in distribution which enables grid-tied residential solar installations....
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