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Theo_Fidel wrote:

SSridhar wrote:Pakistan concerned over Afghan dam on River Kabul


The sad thing is that it more likely to affect Sindh than Pakjab. Only India has the power to drain that particular swamp.

At a rally in Islamabad on February 5 to denounce the idea of an India-Pakistan dialogue, the Jamaat-ud-Dawa deputy chief, Abdur Rehman Makki, posted warning of Pune being a target. “Kashmir had become a cold issue. But by denying Pakistan water, India has ensured that every farmer in Punjab is lining up with his tractor and plough, ready to overrun India.” At one time, jihadis were interested only in the liberation of Kashmir, but the water issue had ensured that “Delhi, Pune and Kanpur” were all fair targets, The Hindu’s correspondent in Islamabad, Nirup

harbans wrote:Now they've bred to 180 million and in another 50 will be 500 million. Mother Himalayas too has no solution to such inbreeding efficiency.

Bheem wrote:. . . can you tell, how much water India can use in say (MAF) from western rivers for irrigation etc

Maximum Withdrawals for
     Name of Canal                Agriculturall Use
(a) Ranbir Canal... 1,000 cusecs from 15th April to 14th October, and
                    350 cusecs from 15th October to 14th April.
(b) Pratap Canal... 400 cusecs from 15th April to 14th October, and
                    100 cusecs from 15th October to 14th April

India's Irrigation Entitlement on Western Rivers
The Indus	Jhelum	  Chenab	  Total
70,000	   400,000	 231,000   701,000

arun wrote:The dominant Punjabis of Pakistan having been thwarted in their attempt to deprive the minority Sindhi’s and Balochi’s of their legitimate share of water leave in a huff:

Punjab walks out of Irsa meeting

My own take is that the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s shrill screeching about India depriving them of water is a ploy to divert attention of the Sindhi’s and Balochi’s from the water theft of Pakistan’s Punjabi’s.

Meanwhile more screeching from the Nation which hardly surprisingly is headquartered in Pakistan’s Punjab province besides being Pakistani Punjabi owned:

Indian water aggression: Pakistan on brink of disaster

SSridhar wrote:

Bheem wrote:. . . can you tell, how much water India can use in say (MAF) from western rivers for irrigation etc

From IWT (ANNEXURE C-AGRICULTURAL USE BY INDIA FROM THE WESTERN RIVERS
(Article III(2)(c)),

arun wrote:^^^ In other words given that India’s water entitlement is in area terms (ie: 1.3 million acres) and not in water volume terms, there is nothing that stops India from growing the most water intensive crops the soil and climate conditions permit.

Would that be a correct surmise

SSridhar wrote:Yes, that's correct. The IWT does not place any restriction on crop types just as it does not place any restriction on the number of run-of-river HEPs that India can build on the 'western' rivers.

Aditya_V wrote:How about dumping chemicals which lead to say lower s**** count, E******* dysfunction or stuff that prevents wheat crops from growing.

German water manufacturers Siemens and KSB have each ordered 800 ultrafiltration (UF) modules from inge watertechnologies AG for the "Clean Drinking Water for All (CDWA)" project funded by a group of development aid organizations in Pakistan. {CDWA was launched in Pakistan with USAID}
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The inge modules will go to Pakistan's largest province, Punjab, where 1,600 plants are scheduled for construction. The company's modules operate at a capacity of either 2,000 or 4,000 L/h, and can enable a treatment plant to convert a total of approximately 50,000 m³/d of water into clean drinking water.

Bheem wrote:. . . how does this acreage translate "roughly" in quantity of water?

River________1922-61________1985-95______2001-2002_______2010
Indus________93_____________62.7_________48_____________
Jehlum______23_____________26.6_________11.85___________
Chenab______26_____________27.5_________12.38___________
Ravi_________7_______________5___________1.47____________
Sutlej________14_____________3.6__________0.02____________
Kabul________26_____________23.4_________18.9____________

“The international community is concerned about our security but why are they silent over our hegemonic neighbour’s water terrorism?” Palwasha questioned.

Revision: Urging revision of the Indus Water Treaty, she said the situation was totally different today in terms of climatic changes from what it was in the 1960s.

“This treaty should be modified to get more water for Pakistan. Climate change is posing a serious threat to Pakistan which is surrounded by major polluters such as India,” she added.

Sherpao said India was not only building dams on Pakistan’s western rivers, but was also assisting Afghanistan in building dams on rivers Kabul and Kunar that fed water to northern Pakistan.

“This treaty should be modified to get more water for Pakistan."

Gerard wrote:

“This treaty should be modified to get more water for Pakistan."

And if the result is less water for Pakistan?

10-Feb-2010

BHEL wins Rs.495 Crore order for 330 MW Hydro Electric Project in Jammu and Kashmir

Bharat Heavy Electricals Limited (BHEL) has secured a major contract for setting up a 330 MW (3x110 MW) Hydro Electric Project (HEP) in the state of Jammu and Kashmir.

Valued at Rs.27,610 Million, the turnkey order for the Kishanganga HEP of NHPC was bagged by Hindustan Construction Company (HCC) along with BHEL under stiff International Competitive Bidding (ICB), as its offer was found techno-economically the best

Of the turnkey contract, BHEL has been awarded the order for the complete Electro-mechanical package. With this order valued at Rs.4,950 Million, the customer has once again reposed confidence in BHEL's proven technological excellence and capability in executing projects of this magnitude. ……………….

BHEL Press Release

arun wrote:Bharat Heavy Electricals Ltd (BHEL) press release from a little over a week back stating that they have been awarded the contract to supply the entire electro-mechanical package which inter alia would include the turbines and generators:

BHEL Press Release

For NHPC, BHEL is also presently executing the electro-mechanical works for Nimoo Bazgo HEP (3x15 MW) and Chutak HEP (4x11 MW), both in the challenging terrain and climatic conditions of Jammu and Kashmir

He said the water issue was a “very sensitive issue” for Pakistan and he intends to raise the matter with India very soon.

However, he stressed that it “would be not to blame India” for the water problem saying that Pakistan should utilise its share of water in a more efficient way.

Mr. Qureshi was the keynote speaker at the seventh worldwide security conference organised by the EastWest Institute in the Belgian capital Thursday.

The American administration is talking to India to resolve the water issue with Pakistan, US Special Representative to Pakistan and Afghanistan Richard Holbrooke said in an interview to a private TV channel on Friday.

Holbrooke said Pakistan’s water crisis was the second most dangerous crisis after its economic turmoil.

Saturday, February 20, 2010

India intends to divert river Neelam: Jamaat Shah …………….

Jamat Ali Shah informed the committee that Baglihar dam affects Pakistan's defence. “We have demanded India of the installment of Telemetry system on the dam.”

The Nation

These data shall be transmitted monthly by each Party to the other as soon as the data for a calendar month have been collected and tabulated, but not later than three months after the end of the months to which they relate : Provided that such of the data specified above as are considered by either Party to be necessary for operational purposes shall be supplied daily or at less frequent intervals, as may be requested,: Should one Party request the supply of any of these data by telegram, telephone, wireless, it shall reimburse the other Party for the cost of transmission.

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The American administration is talking to India to resolve the water issue with Pakistan, US Special Representative to Pakistan and Afghanistan Richard Holbrooke said in an interview to a private TV channel on Friday.

Holbrooke said Pakistan’s water crisis was the second most dangerous crisis after its economic turmoil.

SSridhar wrote:Pakistani Foreign Minister on the water issue

He said the water issue was a “very sensitive issue” for Pakistan and he intends to raise the matter with India very soon.

However, he stressed that it “would be not to blame India” for the water problem saying that Pakistan should utilise its share of water in a more efficient way.

Mr. Qureshi was the keynote speaker at the seventh worldwide security conference organised by the EastWest Institute in the Belgian capital Thursday.

SSridhar wrote:Why did Pakistan object to the use of these sluice gates if it is now interested in modern management techniques ?

Chairman IRSA Aman Gul Khatak while briefing the committee on water accord 1991, stated that in 2003 due to water shortage a three pillar formula was presented.

However Sindh raised an objection to it and was still protesting.

He stated that billions of rupees were spent on telemetry system on barrages but it had failed to become operational. He said that the Prime Minister’s investigation team was looking into this matter.

Taj Haider said that the construction of a power plant on Chashma canal is an unnecessary hindrance and should be removed immediately. He said there are 360 other canals in Punjab where such a power plant could be constructed.

He said that 8,000 cusecs of water that should be received by Sindh is stolen from Kotri barrage every year, adding that this transfer should be made through Guddu barrage instead.

He said that the lack of fresh water is harming agricultural land in Thatta and Badin districts.

He said that all allegations that Punjab is stealing Sindh's water share are baseless.

The minister, however, advised members not to raise this sensitive issue on the floor of the house unless they possessed full information on the subject and had already consulted the minister concerned.

He also warned certain elements within Sindh against fomenting hatred between various political forces and ethnic communities, and vowed to go ahead with the policy of reconciliation to ensure peace and harmony in the province.

A resolution on the subject, if moved by any member, would be welcomed, he added.

Tracking the history of water accords on the Indus from 1945, he said the first water-sharing accord was signed in 1945 and remained in force till 1991, when another water agreement was inked. He said the Indus Basin Treaty was signed in 1960 under which water from three Pakistani rivers was sold to India ignoring strong protests by Sindh.

He said that the Chashma-Jhelum Link Canal (CJLC) was built in 1971 and Sindh pleaded its case before the Fazl-ur-Rehman Commission. An agreement was signed in 1972 by the then Sindh chief minister and the Punjab governor on the release of water into the canal. It was agreed that the consent of the Sindh chief minister would be mandatory for any release of water, but the condition was violated during the dictatorial rule of General Ziaul Haq soon after the PPP government was toppled.

Syed Murad Ali Shah stated that under the 1991 water accord, there was no mention of water allocation for the CJLC since there had been sufficient water flow in the Indus system until 1999. He said that on the 12th of this month, the Indus River System Authority (Irsa) fraudulently released water into the canal for irrigating southern Punjab lands. The release was made possible when the Balochistan representative resorted to favouring Punjab on the question of the latter’s requirement.

shaardula wrote:Talking of telemetry, in this article about raising the issues of kishen ganga at an international forum, there is a mention of what tsp is doing with its telemetry:

He stated that billions of rupees were spent on telemetry system on barrages but it had failed to become operational. He said that the Prime Minister’s investigation team was looking into this matter.

Text of the Water Accord of 1991

arun wrote:Protests in the Balawaristan part of Pakistan occupied Kashmir against the building of the Diamer Bhasha Dam by the Islamic Republic of Pakistan results in a gun battle leading to deaths.

Two killed, four injured in protest rally

“Now time has come to ask one question to Punjab that do they want power plants and water or Pakistan”

Pakistani and Indian water authorities are actively considering follow-up sessions sometime next month as the two nuclear neighbors are opening foreign secretaries level talks, The News has learnt.

The plan to move the World Bank (WB) on Indian Kishanganga project stands temporarily shelved till assessing the outcome of the secretary level talks, official sources at the Ministry of Water and Power told to The News here on Saturday.

Islamabad functionaries have been issuing statements during the last 5-6 months that they would move the WB, a guarantor of Indus Water Treaty (IWT) 1960, but nothing was done in practical terms.

“We have invited the Indian team in March in Islamabad to review the overall water issues, controversies and dispatching of an inspection team to Indus Rivers Indian sites,” the sources said. These talks would be held at the platform of the Permanent Indus Commission (PIC), which is the only functional body between the two states since the IWT finalisation and it meets every year without interruption.