Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2010

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Pakistan army accused of extrajudicial killings in Swat
Beeb article.
The Pakistani army has carried out 238 extrajudicial killings of people in the Swat Valley since September last year, says a report from Human Rights Watch.
The HRW report says that while police have also been involved in the killings, most of them have been carried out by the army.
In one case, the report names a specific unit of the army, the 12th Punjab regiment, as being responsible.
"The Pakistani military has yet to understand that a bullet in the back of the head is simply not the way to win hearts and minds in Swat,"
But it is enough to save some H&D. But I saved the best excuse for the last:
"This is just another effort to malign the Pakistan army," an officer told the BBC. "The main focus of these reports is to prevent US aid from coming to Pakistan." :shock:
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Let's Smoke Pipe at Wagah: Peace
The reality is that parity point has long gone. India needs to ooze humility and even offer concessions. But what Pakistan has to realize is that India will negotiate from a position of strength. That’s the reality. The two countries have taken a completely divergent political trajectory and that has brought us to this reality. Pakistan can benefit from this. It can leverage on the proximity to a huge market, access to education and technology and the cultural commonality.

On Thursday, there was no signal that Islamabad was prepared to go down that road. Pakistan must understand that India’s leadership isn’t insecure. That it is backed by a robust economy and a healthy civil society. Most Indians don’t obsess with the military getting newer toys and our leaders usually don’t power-dress for photo-ops. India has moved towards sensitive governance, far from the security mindset. Our ministers discuss corporal punishment in schools, legislate to bring about gender parity and officials work hard to make sure kids get lunch in schools so they don’t drop out. We are glad to have largely left behind our partridge-hunting, polo-playing lot to their own chukkers. There are a few, but mostly confined to their gilt-edged anachronistic cocoons fuelled by voyeurs of history.
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Let's Smoke Pipe at Wagah: Peace
And I would like to squat on that 'chillum' after having pindi chana. :roll:
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Pakistan top on ***** search: Google denies :roll:
ISLAMABAD: Google officially denied the accuracy of its search trends that declared Pakistan as the top nation searching for illicit material on the internet, according to Dawn sources.

Internet Service Provider Association of Pakistan has also declared statistics regarding ***** in Pakistan as flawed.

Earlier based on these findings, a number of foreign newspapers and websites started humiliating Pakistani nation and even maligned the country’s name.

Referring to the news about illicit search trends in Pakistan, Google’s public affairs head of South-East Asia said that the statistics were based on limited data therefore they cannot be regarded as final opinion.

There are eight million users of internet in Pakistan which makes only five per cent of the country's total population. — DawnNews
Dude from Yawn... what's the name of "Google's public affairs head of South-East Asia"?

And all google stats claim that the statistics are based on data limited by .... so and so reasons (yes all Google Analytics data carries disclaimers).... this time yawn decided to read the fine print and in their own case tried to show it as exception... Class act...
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Dialogue between 'equals' cannot be conditional: Pakistan
Pakistan Foreign Minister Makhdoom Shah Mehmood Qureshi on Friday said it was ready to show flexibility while engaging with India but insisted that dialogue between equals cannot be conditional.

“If we only stress on issues that are core to India and ignore those of significance to us, then this process cannot move forward,” Mr. Qureshi said

Advocating the resumption of composite dialogue — under whatever nomenclature — Mr. Qureshi said: “I think that whatever we have achieved in four years should not be wasted. We should build on it and not start afresh.''{It was the Pakistanis and the same Mahmood Qureshi who repudiated all that had been achieved in Musharraf's time. They said that there was no record in the Pakistani Foreign Office of what transpired between India and Pakistan. Mr. Kasuri, the then Pakistani Foreign Minister, strongly countered Qureshi.}

On his silence to Mr. Krishna's charge that Pakistan had not provided a “shred of evidence” to substantiate its contention that India has a hand in the unrest in Balochistan, Mr. Qureshi sought to point out the compulsions of being a host. :rotfl:

As for Kashmir, he said it remained Pakistan's core concern while both countries agreed that terrorism was a common enemy.{That comes out of the concession by Mr. Man Mohan Singh that Pakistan was equally affected by terrorism. Pakistan tries to present the picture of an innocent victim due to Indian diplomatic blunder.}

While he steered clear of the reference made to the Inter Services Intelligence involvement in the Mumbai terror attacks by Indian Home Secretary G. K. Pillai, security analysts said that was unnecessary. “India should do quiet diplomacy. The more frontal India is the more difficult it becomes for the Government of Pakistan; especially to deal with other institutions. {That is a reference to PA. The Qureshi tirade has come directly from the PA} India is pushing us too publicly and the more it happens, the more it becomes difficult to deliver.{That is the standard Pakistani line and also the line of Indian WKKs. Pakistan employs similar themes to get out of difficult situations and then never delivers. One should ask what exactly it has 'delivered' so far. The Pakistani anger is not because of the open statement by GK Pillai. It is because that India insisted action against serving Pakistani army officers.}
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The editorial in Daily Times (on-line edition) this morning on the meeting of Foreign Ministers has two interesting points.
Indo-Pak: out of sync?
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As for David Headley’s confession and the alleged involvement of the ISI in 26/11, Pakistan must carry out a thorough investigation and if the accusation is found to be true, take the perpetrators to task.
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Mr Krishna made it clear that Pakistan has not provided even “a shred of evidence” of India’s involvement in Balochistan. This should settle the issue once and for all.
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I believe that DT is owned by the current Governor of Punjab who is a PPP man. Does this mean PPP is much more sensible re. relations with India? Does the Governor really speak for PPP?
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Continuing the google analytics vs the Pure theme

Mind your P’s and Q’s


More then the article check out the embarrassed Abdul's defenses in the blog below...
So Pakistanis are guilty of watching ***** but others are not guilty of producing them???
Very well-put Shyema! Right on spot. I can listen already the apologetic babblings. That, however, changes nothing. We are indeed a hypocritical nation who loved indulging into rhetoric on religious issues while at the same time, committing all the ‘accessible sins’.
dWell at least we are good at something
:P (Sums it all)
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SSridhar wrote:Dialogue between 'equals' cannot be conditional: Pakistan
. “India should do quiet diplomacy. The more frontal India is the more difficult it becomes for the Government of Pakistan; especially to deal with other institutions. India is pushing us too publicly and the more it happens, the more it becomes difficult to deliver.”
This bit sounds like option 2 below (highlighted in red)
shiv wrote: I thought: when faced with overwhelming evidence and pressure to accept that the Paki government and army are linked to terrorism, Pakistan has the following options

1) Acceptance of guilt - they will never do that
2) Privately accept guilt and indicate that they are powerless to control the army and ISI but take a different public stand
3) Deny completely
4) Do an equal equal by pulling out some random Indian and accusing him of being like the one's Indians are accusing.
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Guddu wrote:I agree, India did not play ball this time. As someone else mentioned, India was promised some action on the issues, which did not materialize, India threatened to take their ball and go home. This resulted in delays, finally talks broke down. I anticipate this is an important turning point in Indo-Paki relations. We will progressively get tougher, until the Pakis behave.
India was promised action before SMK went to Islamabad. There was absolutely no movement on the 26/11 case at least as far as media reports went. On the other hand, one of the most wanted Indian terrorists, Syed Salahuddin was allowed to conduct a massive anti-India jihadi rally in Islamabad, just next to ISI HQ in Aabpara on July 6. And Professor saheb jas continued with his jihadi speeches. Violence erupted in the Kashmir Valley and calls were intercepted that spoke of "Why Anantnag was peaceful" and "how it was important for 10 or 15 martyrs" etc. The J&K Chief Minister publicly stated that the Pakistani High Commission in New Delhi was fomenting trouble.

After all this, Pakistan has the temerity to put the blame on GK Pillai for his repetition of a factual statement that has appeared all over the world several weeks earlier ? And, Indian peaceniks like Prem Shankar Jha and N.Ram are unable to see through the Pakistani smokescreen ? Just pathetic.
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Sri B Raman pontificates
Remember Zulfiquar Ali Bhutto, who was the Foreign Minister of Pakistan under Yahya Khan?
Remember his antics, crude exhibitionism and unparliamentary remarks about Indira Gandhi in the months before the Indo-Pakistan war of December 1971?
Remember the way he used to conduct himself in the UN Security Council when it debated the growing tension between India and Pakistan?
{Moi wasn't around in '71 saar. But some youtube vids of the said antics would be a nice addition to your fine piece onlee}
Remember Benazir Bhutto, his daughter, who was the then Prime Minister,conducting herself hysterically in public in 1989?
Remember her going to Pakistan-Occupied Kashmir, stand before a crowd near the Line of Control, face Indian territory and shout hysterically "azadi,azadi"?
Remember the unparliamentary remarks which she used to make about Narasimha Rao, our then Prime Minister?
B Raman is doing yeoman service by seeking to rekindle institutional and public memory of Pak's past record on perfidity, duplicity and shamelessness. Dilli gets played like a violin all too often.....once is happenstance (understandable), twice is coincidence (perhaps explainable), but thrice is enemy action.... only.

What did we do then?
Indira Gandhi and Narasimha Rao ignored with contempt the behaviour of Z.A.Bhutto and Benazir and continued doing what they thought was necessary in India' national interest. We should similarly ignore with contempt the behaviour of Shah Mehmood Qureshi, the Pakistani Foreign Minister, and his unparliamentary remarks about Mr.S.M.Krishna, our Foreign Minister, while briefing Pakistani media personnel on July 16 about his talks with our Foreign Minister the previous day.
What should we do now?
The Government of India, Mr.Krishna himself and Mrs.Nirupama Rao, our Foreign Secretary, need to be complimented for conducting themselves with great personal dignity befitting us as a responsible and mature nation with a mature political leadership in power and for refusing to let themselves be provoked and react in kind against Mr.Qureshi. One of the objectives of Mr.Qureshi was to create doubts in the minds of the Indian public about the credibility and professional competence of Mr.Krishna. Another was to create a crisis atmosphere in the hope of thereby making the West and the Islamic world exercise pressure on India. The Bharatiya Janata Party and some of its leaders and spokesmen are unwittingly walking into the Pakistani trap by their campaign against Mr.Krishna at a time when the political class should stand united behind him.
And his prescription sadly lacks punch, IMHO.
When Z.A.Bhutto and his daughter indulged in anti-India antics and exhibitionism there was no global TV. We had to read about them in the print media and wait for the visuals which arrived days later. There were no live transmissions, no live debates. Only we in India followed closely the antics and exhibitionism of Z.A.Bhutto and Benazir? Most of the rest of the world did not. The international community did not have an idea of the kind of Foreign Minister or Prime Minister Pakistan had.

Things are different today. Thanks to the global TV networks, the whole world had an opportunity of watching alive the antics and exhibitionism of Mr.Qureshi and the measured and cultured response of Mr.Krishna and Mrs.Nirupama Rao.It will redound to our credit and make the international community understand----if it has not already understood it--- the kind of Pakistani leadership and the kind of Pakistani Muslim mentality we have to contend with.
Baloney.
Only the wilfully blind can give any benefit of doubt to the frontline international migraine.
Who are we supposed to scofe points with? And what for? What has playing good munna all along brought us? Why seek not to rock the boat - it gets ever tougher as our mil+economic weight increases yoy?
OK, rant over. back to scheduled programming....
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It seems the foreign ministry is wasting too much time on Pakistan. Can't the MEA create a Pakistan specific foreign minister position preferably staffed by a former Indian Armed Forces chief leaving SMK to deal with more important things?
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I would watch for reports in the coming days in US govt media: NYT, WP etc. If the drumbeat is the fatuous stinking morally demneted equivalence (that would be unthinkable when it comes to whites in a similar quandry as India): India wants to discuss 26/11, while TSP wants to discuss Kashmir, then you know where USA's sympathies lie. And as the WKKs in India kick in, US pressure on India will mount, the cycle will repeat once again, another round of talks withering away India's focus on terror.
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I miss Shashi Tharoor in FM already. Better than SMK on any given day.
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For the rest of the world, India-Pakistan war of words is immaterial. They therefore ignore these developments until something big happens. Then, the victim (which is always India) is advised to show restraint, an advice which GoI does not need because that is all that it has been showing since 1947 (except on a couple of occassions). Pakistan has thus succeeded in creating a few symmetries between India and Pakistan in the minds of most people of the world who care to bother about these two countries.
  • India is to be equally blamed for the tension
  • There is some legitimacy in the Pakistani claim on Kashmir
  • Kashmir is the root cause of the tension and once it is solved India-Pakistan relationship will automatically become like the US-Canada relationship
  • If any country has any deal with India, that country must have a similar and equally large deal with Pakistan too as otherwise it is not even handling.
The two other points on which Pakistan is relentlessly trying to generate sympathy for itself are
  • India is responsible for terrorism and secessionist tendencies in Balochistan
  • India is subverting the Indus Water Treaty systematically even while appearing to be sticking to the letter of the treaty
In the meanwhile, while we are building up our economy, Pakistan is building up its nuclear arsenal and delivery mechanism. It is going back to restructuring its non-state actor line of defence. It is also hugely expanding its sleeper cells within India. Pakistan knows that a day will come ten years hence when a massively superior India might attempt to hold it by the unmentionables. It wants to be safeguarded against that. The 3½ friends will be still standing by it at that time. Those who think that India can spank Pakistan then will find India checkmated by new developments, provided Pakistan manages to stay as one piece till then. If the ongoing jihad by the 'more pious' succeeds against the 'less pious', Pakistan may pull off the feat of staying as one piece as the new Emirate of Pakistan on its way to greater glory of a Caliphate.
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Dilbu wrote:I miss Shashi Tharoor in FM already. Better than SMK on any given day.
I am not the biggest fan of SMK, but cut the guy some slack. What he say/do that upset you? He is as gentle, decent guy that TSP got to deal with. Come on, with all due respect, ST is no big shakes. With his phony Brit accent, and pompous demeanour, he is just having a ball. I think he is better off cuddling away with Sunanda Pushkar at some vacation resort than representing India in dealing with TSP. He is a rank amatuer. SMK, at least on this round did fine. The guy who needs to go is MMS, and in his place, someone with nationalist bone.
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CRamS wrote:
abhishek_sharma wrote:And do not even read Siddharth Varadarajan's Op-Ed.
Expect more such self goals to follow in the coming days and weeks.
War of words: Why India, Pakistan both lost
Wont even bother quoting whatever the resident WKK, Sheela Bhatt barfs.
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Agra repeats in Islamabad
The extent of acrimony and angry diplomatic exchanges that marked the conclusion of Agra summit was virtually replayed on Friday at the end of two-day talks in Islamabad.
Pakistani Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi during the day (coincidentally happened to be July 16) did exactly what the then Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf did on July 16, 2001, at the end of the failed two-day Agra summit talks - blame the Indian side for the failure of talks.

Qureshi, addressing a press conference in Islamabad, in the afternoon, shed all diplomatic niceties and claimed that his talks with External Affairs Minister S M Krishna on Thursday had failed because the latter did not have a proper brief from New Delhi.
He uncharitably said that during their talks Krishna was repeatedly taking telephonic calls from Delhi. India was not “mentally ready” for the talks, he asserted.

On the other hand, he claimed he was fully prepared. “I led Pakistan’s team and I did not need to make even a single phone call (to other leaders in Pakistan) during the day-long talks. He (Krishna) is the principal for giving direction to foreign policy of India. (But) why were directions being sent repeatedly from Delhi?” said Qureshi.

Musharraf’s footsteps

Qureshi was simply following the footsteps of Musharraf. Nine years ago, on July 16, 2001, Musharraf had blamed the failure of Agra summit on “hardliners” (reference to the then Home Minister L K Advani) in the then Vajpayee government.

The recurrence is not just confined to the July 15-16 dates or to the Pakistani assertions that the negotiators on the Indian side lacked requisite mandate.

Nothing appeared changed in nine years as the Krishna-Qureshi talks, too, like the Vajpayee-Musharraf summit talks, were over the two issues of terrorism and Kashmir.
Krishna focused on India’s core concern of terrorism emanating from Pakistan. But his Pakistani counterpart insisted that progress should be made on all issues of disputes in tandem—Islamabad’s familiar way of stating that Kashmir should be on the negotiating table.
Interesting coincidence about the dates ( July 16). :mrgreen:

Alos, both the events were sort of "ice breakers" after major Paki perifidy ( Kargil and 26/11) and both ended in same way. Only difference is the venue and ruling party in Desh.
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I hope someone at least will drill some bloody sense into MMS's brain that at least for the time being, as AfPak denounement unfolds, he should lock away his peace pipe in the basement. No point talking to TSP for sometime to come.
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http://www.thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=108637
16 killed, 4 hurt in Kurram ambush

PESHAWAR: At least 16 people were killed while four others sustained critical injuries as they were on the move on different vehicles, when unidentified miscreants opened fire on them here in Char Khel locality of Kurram Agency on early Saturday,

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Militants attack in Bajaur, kills 3
http://www.samaa.tv/News22921-Militants ... res_3.aspx

BAJAUR AGENCY: Three people were killed including a security official during a militant’s attack at security forces’ checkpost in Bajaur agency, said sources Saturday.

According to sources, militants fired rocket at two security forces’ checkpost in Siddiquabaad town of headquarter Khar in Bajaur agency.
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Folks am i reading it correct ?

Pakistan is also likely to ask the US to increase the $7.5 billion Kerry Lugar aid to $50 billion in order to improve its image in the country and help Pakistan succeed in the ‘war on terrorism’.

http://www.business-standard.com/india/ ... /101770/on

So Pakiz want to improve the image of US in Pakistan. :rotfl: :rotfl:
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I think that we need to continue talking with TSP. Just to show the futility of having any talks with the it.


On a diffrent note :mrgreen:
satyam wrote:Folks am i reading it correct ?

Pakistan is also likely to ask the US to increase the $7.5 billion Kerry Lugar aid to $50 billion in order to improve its image in the country and help Pakistan succeed in the ‘war on terrorism’.

http://www.business-standard.com/india/ ... /101770/on

So Pakiz want to improve the image of US in Pakistan. :rotfl: :rotfl:
:(( on behalf of Kerry Lugar. We dont have the money to pay for the new aid estimatee. So will seek to elimainate it all together. more :((

:P

Just noticed am no longer a trainee yipee :mrgreen:
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SM Krishna didn't agree with Quereshi on Pillai: Foreign Secretary on NDTV
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Indo-Pak talks have not collapsed: Nirupama Rao

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 180339.cms
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Here's an interesting TOI op-ed/blog/whatever:

...the Wagah moment
As the massive iron gates creaked open on either side, scores of children from a school in Amritsar rushed with arms outstretched and embraced kids from a Lahore school. :shock:
In sharp contrast was a joint press conference by Pakistan’s foreign minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi and India’s S M Krishna. No sign that the Wagah moment had percolated to Islamabad.
Pakistan is at a precarious point in its political journey towards democracy. Yet its leaders don’t seem to have reached that moment of realization. The alpha-male attitude is all too pervasive in the power corridors of Islamabad.
Most Indians don’t obsess with the military getting newer toys and our leaders usually don’t power-dress for photo-ops.
The porki alpha male syndrome (PAMS). SMQ (with Hillary) kind of reminds me of Shortcut Aziz (with Condi Rice). That alpha-male "holier than thou" $2500-dark suit + Rolex bravado. I bet, after a tough day at work, he goes home and kicks his dog and his wife (in that order) to vent out.
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Two low intensity blasts in Lawhore
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Why cant paa'stan ask unkil more fund to run their railways
LAHORE: Pakistan Railways Authorities on Saturday issued a notification stating the grounding of six more trains.

According to the notification, three of the service trains' services will be suspended from today among which are Sakhi Abbas Express, Karachi Mirpur Khas Express and Sialkot Express.

Chaltan Express and Tezro Express will be grounded from July 20 while the Shalimar Express is due to be suspended on July 29.

The decision to suspend these train services was made due to financial constraints. – DawnNews
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Gilani - Master of Groping Skiing
Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani said Saturday he believed India remained committed to the talks, despite comments from Qureshi accusing New Delhi of restricting the discussions.

“We want dialogues, they (India) too want dialogues, so when there will be talks then we will discuss all issues. At this point I cannot say something in the air,” Gilani told reporters near Lahore.
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skaranam wrote:Gilani - Master of Groping Skiing
At this point I cannot say something in the air,”
India should call the paki bluff. The porkis expect India to "Thank you, but no thank you" which will give the porkis the bragging rights with "see, we told you". India should respond with "Sure, lets meet, but this time in Agra".
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anupmisra wrote:India should call the paki bluff. The porkis expect India to "Thank you, but no thank you" which will give the porkis the bragging rights with "see, we told you". India should respond with "Sure, lets meet, but this time in Agra".
What will happen if we call off talks claiming lack of progress in 26/11 ? Is there a match going on where a referee will show us a red card ? Every time something like this happens, we are expected to do more of the same bending backwards because we believe that somehow that would call Pakistani bluff. I am sure that the Pakistani bluff has been called a hundred times since 26/11. One more is not going to make much of a difference. OTOH, a different approach might just increase the pain for the 3½ and make them realize that India is toughening and the same old approach of running with the Indian hare and hunting with the Pakistani hound may not work with India this time around.
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the only red card will be the galvanising of all the murderous and hateful chaos of pakistan into a single anti-india agenda, that is all they have left to offer the world.

playing nice, but not delivering (K on a plate) appears to be in line with the let them drown in their own pakistaniyat strategem, the only question is when to stand on their head and push them down into the swamp for the last time
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Lalmohan wrote:the only red card will be the galvanising of all the murderous and hateful chaos of pakistan into a single anti-india agenda, that is all they have left to offer the world.
The last time that happened partially was after the 26/11 attack. They attacked us and they themselves created a war paranoia, scrambled their fighters, cancelled the leave of their soldiers etc. The TTP announced its support and the Pakistani Generals welcomed them as 'true patriots'. All this happened in double quick time. If Pakistan wants to divert their people's attention to that single cementing factor of 'hate India', they have a few hundred ways of doing it all by themselves. Like, for example water. There can be no bigger cause for hatred or war than deprivation of water. Reasons are aplenty for even starting a war. Calling off talks wouldn't figure in that list, IMO.
. . . let them drown in their own pakistaniyat strategem, . . .
That was what most nationalist Indian leaders thought just before and just after Partition. They thought Pakistan wouldn't survive and would merge back with India. And, here we are.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2

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As regards TSP taking action against 26/11 perpetrators - obviously that will not happen until TSP is defeated. TSP has been waging an undeclared, total, no-holds-barred war against India. Too many Indian WKKs have lamentably not realized this. You can't expect a warring party to punish itself.

But still, there are some signals that need to be analyzed:

Hamid Gul critisises Qureshi for his comments on Pillai: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Vide ... 180810.cms

Qureshi's U-turn: Pak 'very serious' about normalizing ties: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Worl ... 180886.cms

What is happening, IMHO, is that TSP is in trouble on the Afghan front as the US considers the Haqqanis to be irreconcilables. So they are trying to lessen the pressure on the Eastern front. As long as we understand that there is a war going on, there is no harm in keeping lines of communication open IMHO.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2

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X Posted from the ISI thread.

Head of Iran’s Majlis National Security and Foreign Policy Commission, Alaeddin Boroujerdi, on the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s links to terrorism via that country‘s Inter-Service Intelligence (ISI) :
'Terrorists enter Iran via Pakistan'
Sat, 17 Jul 2010 12:56:26 GMT

A senior Iranian lawmaker says terrorists enter Iran from Pakistan and other neighboring countries, urging Pakistan's Inter-Service Intelligence to reconsider its relations with militants. …………………….

On July 15, two bomb explosions in quick succession took place outside the Zahedan Grand Mosque. At least 27 people lost their lives and more than 100 others were injured in the terrorist attack, which has widely been blamed on extremist Wahabis and Salafis trained by US intelligence in Pakistan.

"The Pakistani government and the country's Inter-Service Intelligence (ISI) which have relations with terrorists must reconsider and take necessary measure to confront these criminals," Fars News Agency quoted Boroujerdi as saying. ………………

Press TV, Iran
X Posted. Iran tightens the screws on the Islamic Republic of Pakistan for fomenting terrorism. The Speaker of the Iranian Parliament, Ali Larijani, joins the chorus :

Pakistan must be held accountable for evil people presence: Larijani
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2

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CRamS wrote:I hope someone at least will drill some bloody sense into MMS's brain that at least for the time being, as AfPak denounement unfolds, he should lock away his peace pipe in the basement. No point talking to TSP for sometime to come.
CRS,
I do not want to see MMS anymore than you. He is a plant. period. Accept it.

India needs more people like Pillai.
Frankly I dont want to see Hafiz Sayeed in India at all. I only prefer we keep asking and they keep rejecting.
Lets keep this act of talks go on. I mean On and Off. This is just for some entertainment for Unkil.
This act must go on till Pakistan has negative industrial growth,negative agri growth and unsustainable population growth.
They promised to eat grass. Let them have it.
Lets build strong walls around them so that bhookhey nangey pakis dont knock on our doors.

Let this p0rn act continue till its natural end.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2

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Pranav wrote:So they are trying to lessen the pressure on the Eastern front. As long as we understand that there is a war going on, there is no harm in keeping lines of communication open IMHO.
Pranav, in any scheme of things such as the war you are referring to, India must seriously consider its gains. Even a close American ally like the British, who must be indebted to the Americans for saving them in WW II and subsequently too, would consider their benefits first when the US demands assistance. We are nowhere near the levels of Anglo-American alliance.

If we choose to have lines of communication open with our mortal enemy, we do it for our own sake. And, if we choose to have lines of communication open with our mortal enemy because a friend-in-the-making needs it, we had better be aware of what strategic benefits will accrue to us.

The Pakistanis are re-structuring their terrorist groups under the guise of the 'war' in AfPak. India must be convinced that the 'war' in AfPak is advantageous to its interests if it has to help the US.
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Re: Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): July 07, 2

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Who may have approved Pillai to make such statement exactly during talks? Something is not right. I clearly see two sections inside Indian admin (or a coordinated hot+cold approach). One a clear destructor of any talks with TSP while the other is desperate to do something. In every mini round we see a clear pattern.
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