News - Osama Bin Laden - killed In Pakistan

jimmyray · Post by **jimmyray** » 02 May 2011 12:07

It is fun reading Puki forums now. They are trying hard to potray it as a joint op

CNN: OBL body buried at sea

Airavat · Post by **Airavat** » 02 May 2011 12:08

Sherry Rehman claims that "Paki intelligence" helped in killing Osama.

Imran Khan, who had been ranting and raving that US operations were only killing ordinary people, now shamelessly calls for their end because terrorist Osama has been killed!

AnantD · Post by **AnantD** » 02 May 2011 12:10

Gagan wrote:The mission was apparently launched form Tarbela.

Possible Joint operation of the US and Pakistan.

I doubt very seriously. Not possible with Paki cooperation, too many loose links with symapthisers.

Must have come from Indian side and exited to afghanistan, final destination Bagram.

nvishal · Post by **nvishal** » 02 May 2011 12:10

This has PR written all over it.

Think about the precious information OBL carried with him. If you had the intelligence about his whereabouts, would you rather want him captured alive or dead?

If unkil indeed snuffed him in a fire fight then i think it fu@ked up.

Else, this is pure PR value. We should watch what direction AF-PAK takes from here.

lakshmikanth · Post by **lakshmikanth** » 02 May 2011 12:12

Here is one CT:

Aug 2010, Unkil figures out where Osama is. Relations between Pindi and Washington sour on this fact. Finally the TSPA is forced to GUBO. TSPA does so with one condition: Please report that it was an entirely US op and no TSPA soldier was involved. That way even though they look like they lost soverginity, they will still have something to hold on to at the end of the day (i.e. they wont be Quadrified)

Ravi Karumanchiri · Post by **Ravi Karumanchiri** » 02 May 2011 12:13

CNN reporting that OBL has been burried at sea.
I guess that makes him fish food now.

It also preempts anyone taking hostages and demanding the return of his corpse.

Klaus · Post by **Klaus** » 02 May 2011 12:14

West has just stopped short of issuing all-out travel advisories. This is an indirect hint that West knew of US plan since a significant period of time.

suryag · Post by **suryag** » 02 May 2011 12:17

Buried at sea ? means the commandoes dodged the kammandus and reached La JoLLa submarine ?

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 02 May 2011 12:17

Well burial at sea was the only sensible option.
This will give rise to a conspiracy theory that he is still alive.

Ok this is the area where his mansion was located.
This google earth image is dated June 2005. The particluar house is not visible.

The google earth location is at the bottom of the image.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 02 May 2011 12:18

lakshmikanth wrote:
Rahul M wrote: this may be close to LOC but this is the heartland of pakistan and must see heavy military air traffic all year around. US flies around pakistan all the time and all they need to say is 'we would be moving 2 helos (say) from point A in afg to point B in pakistan' where the line joining A and B passes over abottabad. they have no need to tell the pakis/ISI about the ops.
once ops start, they can say 'we have a situation here, don't interfere'
The location of the "situation" would have browned a LOT of pants!

I think that is why there was a blackout at the army base. So close to LOC onlee.

AnantD · Post by **AnantD** » 02 May 2011 12:18

Klaus wrote:West has just stopped short of issuing all-out travel advisories. This is an indirect hint that West knew of US plan since a significant period of time.

Explains why the threat at US airports was orange for a while, just 1 below red.

arun · Post by **arun** » 02 May 2011 12:20

Airavat wrote:Sherry Rehman claims that "Paki intelligence" helped in killing Osama./quote]

US sources are contradicting Sherry Rehman's claims.

CNN is reporting that the Islamic Republic of Pakistan was kept entirely in the dark about the operation to execute Osama Bin laden in his Mansion located in the city of Abbotabad within the Islamic Republic of Pakistan presumably owing to that the Islamic Republic’s Islamic Terrorism supporting ways:

A senior administration official told reporters that Obama's administration did not share intelligence gathered beforehand with any other country -- including Pakistan -- for security reasons.

As I said before in response to a post of George Fulton’s tweet by A Gupta (Here), to preserve honour and dignity I expect that even as more and more confirmation percolates out that the Islamic Republic of Pakistan was kept out of the loop till Osama Bin laden was executed simply because of their established Islamic terrorism supporting ways, the Armed Forces of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan will coyly, nudge nudge wink wink claim, via leaks that they were actually in the know. So keep the CNN article which is availble here handy:

How U.S. forces killed Osama bin Laden

Ravi Karumanchiri · Post by **Ravi Karumanchiri** » 02 May 2011 12:22

nvishal wrote:... Think about the precious information OBL carried with him. If you had the intelligence about his whereabouts, would you rather want him captured alive or dead?

If unkil indeed snuffed him in a fire fight then i think it fu@ked up....

Actually, contrary to what you might think, bin Laden was rather detached from AQ in recent years, because communication was very difficult for him.

Also, it has long been assumed that his bodyguards were under orders not to let him be taken alive. It is highly possible that one of his own men put the bullet in his head. Another possibility is that he was purposefully killed by the US operators, who had no intention of taking him alive, because to capture him alive would almost certainly result in a hostage taking to secure his release.

It's better all around, that he's dead.

jimmyray · Post by **jimmyray** » 02 May 2011 12:22

Talking about conspiracy theory: Could they have taken him alive to bury at sea at their leisure?

disha · Post by **disha** » 02 May 2011 12:23

Now what about Zayman al and Haafiz Sayeed. When will this piglets be taken out? They should be browning pants now and should realize that ISI does not have the ability to protect them. The only way they can continue is by protecting themselves, that is they should try to take over pakhastan.

Also if I were a republican, I will be hopping mad at the bakis., here are the reasons:

1. Obama will look good in election, puts paid to several republican campaigns,
2. Obama delivered Osama., puts a serious dent on dems are wus on national security
3. In light of the above, republicans cannot claim that they deliver while Obama talks. It is the other way around now.
4. For Eight years, Osama was hidden away from the Bush! While happy sipping wine and frolicking with women right in the Capital of Pakistan. And in the middle of army cantt.

So for eight years, repubs get ring-around-roses while Obama comes in and in 2 years delivers Oh-Sama.

No doubt Fox is going hammer and tongs against Bakis. Desis, next vote in repubs., the whore has to be made to do more jobs or better dismantled. My worry is that the foggies in state dept. will use the opportunity to water down any anger against Bakis by pointing out that they helped in the end ...

AnantD · Post by **AnantD** » 02 May 2011 12:24

CRamS wrote:
AnantD wrote: If the israelis could do entebbe, it was because they were not communicating with the Ugandans, why is it so difficult to do a covert op in TSP if you don't discuss beforehand with TSP?
Unless TSPA consists of a bunch of eunuchs, I can't imagine there are no radars, no surface to air missiles etc deployed so close to the TSPA military academy where this house was located.

Explains why MMS was soft talking Kiyanahi, inviting Groper etc to lull them. Besides, most of Paki radars and ECM are US made, not much of a problem to overcome. Moonless night, low atitude infil, no sams at OBL's compound to keep attention away. Do we have Sams at IMA and Khadakvasla?

niran · Post by **niran** » 02 May 2011 12:25

nvishal wrote:http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/med ... 001_66.jpg

that looks like a blast wound as opposed to bullet wound.

arunsrinivasan · Post by **arunsrinivasan** » 02 May 2011 12:27

Detective Work on Courier Led to Breakthrough on Bin Laden

By MARK MAZZETTI and HELENE COOPER
Published: May 2, 2011

WASHINGTON — After years of dead ends and promising leads gone cold, the big break came last August.
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A trusted courier of Osama bin Laden’s whom American spies had been hunting for years was finally located in a sprawling mansion 35 miles north of the Pakistani capital, close to one of the hubs of American counterterrorism operations. The compound was so secure, so large, that American officials guessed it was built to hide someone far more important than a mere courier.

What followed was eight months of painstaking intelligence work, culminating in a helicopter assault by American military and intelligence operatives that ended in the death of bin Laden, and concluded one of history’s most extensive and frustrating manhunts.

American officials said that bin Laden was shot in the head after he tried to resist the assault force, and that one of his sons died along with him.

For nearly a decade, American military and intelligence forces have chased the specter of bin Laden throughout Pakistan and Afghanistan, once coming agonizingly close and losing him in a pitched battle at Tora Bora, in the mountains of eastern Afghanistan. As Obama administration officials describe it, the real breakthrough came when they finally figured out the name and location of Bin Laden’s most trusted courier, whom the Qaeda chief appeared to rely on to maintain contacts with the outside world.

Detainees at the Guantánamo Bay prison had given the courier’s pseudonym to American interrogators, and said the manwas a protégé of Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the confessed mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks.

American intelligence officials said Sunday night that they finally learned the courier’s real name four years ago, but that it took another two years for them to learn the general region where he operated.

Still, it was not until August when they tracked him to the compound in Abbottabad, a medium sized city about an hour’s drive north of Islamabad, the capital.

C.I.A. analysts spent the next several weeks examining satellite photos and intelligence reports to determine who might be living at the mansion, and a senior administration official said that by September the C.I.A. had determined there was a “strong possibility” that bin Laden himself was hiding there.

It was hardly the spartan cave in the mountains where many had envisioned bin Laden hiding. Rather, it was a large mansion on the outskirts of the town center, set on an imposing hilltop and ringed by 12-foot-high concrete walls topped with barbed wire.

The property was valued at $1 million, but it had neither a telephone nor an Internet connection.

American officials believed that the mansion, built in 2005, was designed for the specific purpose of hiding bin Laden.

Months more of intelligence work would follow before American spies felt highly confident that it was indeed bin Laden and his family who were hiding in the compound — and before President Obama believed the intelligence was solid enough to begin planning a mission to go after the Qaeda leader.

On March 14, Mr. Obama held the first of what would be five national security meetings in the course of the next six weeks to go over plans for the operation.

The meetings, attended by only the president’s closest national security aides, took place as other White House aides scrambled to avert a possible government shutdown over the budget.

Four more similar meetings to discuss the plan would follow, until President Obama gathered his aides one final time last Friday.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 02 May 2011 12:27

I am willing to bet my left testimonial that this was not a joint op. The house seems specially constructed. 13 foot walls with multiple internal walls and security gates. Barbed wire on top of the walls. How the F does one build a house like this without attracting attention?

I for one am surprised that the house did not have tunnels/OBL didnt use the tunnels to escape.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 02 May 2011 12:28

Two:
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/05 ... asualties/

http://capitalistimperialistpig.blogspo ... to-be.html

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 02 May 2011 12:33

BBC News: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13256676

The Abbottabad residence is just 700 metres (2,300 ft) from the Pakistan Military Academy - the country's equivalent of West Point.

Pakis are F'ed.

nvishal · Post by **nvishal** » 02 May 2011 12:33

Ravi Karumanchiri wrote:because to capture him alive would almost certainly result in a hostage taking to secure his release.

I totally understand this argument.

But is it right to assume that unkil would have told the world about his capture? They could have easily kept him a secret. Could you accept the possibility that he might have been interrogated before being put in the freezer?

However, these opinions are all CT's in a way. It's so easy to go as per the PR revelations. I just find it hard to believe that they would kill him so fast. It has been so many years since afghan invasion. The afpak policy is a mess. The elections are next year. I smell fish.

Marut · Post by **Marut** » 02 May 2011 12:35

Wonderful news to begin the week.
Finally one of the scum is done away with. Congratulations to US intel & spec ops team for successfully executing this very sensitive and risky operation.
Paki goose is cooked. Whether they claim to have helped or otherwise, it is the devil or the deep sea for them. Their own spawn will be itching to qadrify them.
Obama is assured of 2012 election, can scale down GOAT and save some $$$ to be invested back home in the economic revival.

Repurcussions for India:
With OBL gone, US will scale down its presence in Pak to some extent. Pak will be allowed a freer hand in Afg. So expect more hits on Indian interests in Afg. More importantly, the retribution of islamic jihad will be focussed mainly on India primarily due to proximity of the terror factory next door and the existent sleeper cells setup. I already saw naka bandis in Mumbai on my way to work, now I know why.
We have to be on toes from now on and be prepared for the worst. JDAM is not wishful thinking, given the noises emanating from Pak about nukes being distributed freely among the military.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 02 May 2011 12:36

Paki FO statement full text:

Death of Osama bin Ladin: In an intelligence driven operation, Osama Bin Ladin was killed in the surroundings of Abbotabad in the early hours of this morning. This operation was conducted by the US forces in accordance with declared US policy that Osama bin Ladin will be eliminated in a direct action by the US forces, wherever found in the world. Earlier today, President Obama telephoned President Zardari on the successful US operation which resulted in killing of Osama bin Ladin. Osama bin Ladin’s death illustrates the resolve of the international community including Pakistan to fight and eliminate terrorism. It constitutes a major setback to terrorist organizations around the world. Al-Qaeda had declared war on Pakistan. Scores of Al-Qaeda sponsored terrorist attacks resulted in deaths of thousands of innocent Pakistani men, women and children. Almost, 30,000 Pakistani civilians lost their lives in terrorist attacks in the last few years. More than 5,000 Pakistani security and armed forces officials have been martyred in Pakistan’s campaign

suryag · Post by **suryag** » 02 May 2011 12:37

hard to believe they came from Bagram either somewhere from our Uri sector, that route looks the least defended or from inside pakistan(very less likelihood)

Prabu · Post by **Prabu** » 02 May 2011 12:38

Its a Great News ! Now we need to wait and see how TSP will be nurtured or cornerned by the uncle in the aftermath.

Ravi Karumanchiri · Post by **Ravi Karumanchiri** » 02 May 2011 12:39

nvishal wrote:...
But is it right to assume that unkil would have told the world about his capture? They could have easily kept him a secret. Could you accept the possibility that he might have been interrogated before being put in the freezer? ...

Actually, no, I cannot accept the possibility that his capture might have been kept a secret so they can interrogate him a while. This would require the collusion of AQ, which I just cannot imagine.

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 02 May 2011 12:40

Long War Journal report on the story

Foreign governments, including Pakistan, where the raid took place, were sidelined, according to The Washington Post. A US intelligence official with knowledge of the raid told The Long War Journal that Pakistan, specifically its Inter-Services Intelligence agency, "could not be trusted" with operational details of the raid.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 02 May 2011 12:48

Look at this crap from the Hindu and Ms Anita Joshua:
http://www.thehindu.com/news/internatio ... 985178.ece

While some analysts welcomed the news - describing it a game-changer in the ongoing war on terror - others feared a backlash from terrorist outfits linked to the Al Qaeda network. Given that Pakistan has been facing the blowback effect of its support for the war on terror, the apprehension is that this would increase in days to come in retaliation.

The absence of any reaction from Pakistani authorities is attributed to this fear of retaliation. Since Abbotabad is just a two-hour drive from the federal capital and American helicopters took part in the operation, the general perception is that there was no way the Pakistani authorities would not have been involved; more so since the area also houses the Pakistan Military Academy in Kakul.

These morons are turning "bin Laden sheltered near Pakistan Military Academy" into "Pakistan Military Academy's proximity to bin Laden means Pakistan was involved in the operation against bin Laden".

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 02 May 2011 12:49

I have added a location on google earth for people to download and see.

Download KMZ file
BBS Keyhole page link: Link 1
Link 2

First ever approximate location posted on google earth BTW

Marut · Post by **Marut** » 02 May 2011 12:49

Wrt to the spec ops operation to take out OBL, this was part of Mukul Deva's 'Salim Must Die' 2009 itself.

Here Unkil gets info from the mil leader president in return for some special consideration. The location happens to be a mansion in well heeled parts of Karachi! Spec ops team lands with helis at a nearby plot and goes into capture him alive. Unfortunately he gets killed but the exfiltrate with his body. The terros then unleash a global NBC strike with dirty bombs.

Guess that may happen too

ArmenT · Post by **ArmenT** » 02 May 2011 12:50

Hamid Gul doing some major downhill skiing
Wrong to say Pak harboured Osama: ex-ISI chief
So many gems... so little time

"It is wrong to say that the ISI or the Pakistani government was harbouring Osama. Let more information come in. It is not unusual to have compounds with huge walls and heavy security in this part of Pakistan. Pathans usually build huge compound walls," Gul said.

Should add "compound wall" to BRF dictionary soon...

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 02 May 2011 12:52

Barkha Dutt not "buying" story that Pak was not informed. She "feels" that it was a joint operation.

abhijitm · Post by **abhijitm** » 02 May 2011 12:55

The day OBL showed his interest in Kashmir it was clear that he'd struck a deal with ISI and hiding in their shelter.

partha · Post by **partha** » 02 May 2011 12:56

Bhupendra Choubey comes up with this gem - "If osama was in pakistan all this while, what was happening in afgahnistan, aatishbaazi?"
I wonder how much more idiotic can these journos get?

nvishal · Post by **nvishal** » 02 May 2011 12:56

Ravi Karumanchiri wrote:Actually, no, I cannot accept the possibility that his capture might have been kept a secret so they can interrogate him a while. This would require the collusion of AQ, which I just cannot imagine.

Then we have to agree that unkil acted unwisely. OBL had been reduced to a mere poster boy after 9/11 and most likely spent his days hiding than chalking any future plans. His death will prove inspirational to jihadis who were "standalone" in their own way.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 02 May 2011 13:03

Hey the photo of the house that I posted is indeed similar to the house shown burning on TV and said to be OBL's house.

People watching TV please also compare and respond right away!!!

Anant · Post by **Anant** » 02 May 2011 13:06

It looks to be the same house Gagan. Good job.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 02 May 2011 13:07

arnab wrote:Did Pasha's going to US earlier this month have anything to do with this? Did he skedaddle back within 24 hrs because he was told the jig was up?

you think osama would still be there is pakis knew in advance ??

zero chance of that.

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 02 May 2011 13:10

This might seem incredulous but what if porkis gave unkil obl's location and then unkil could claim goat victory and retreat leaving porkis and the unguarded cookie jar of terrorism in india and strat-e-gic depth in afghanistan? win-win onlee no?