Re: Islamism & Islamophobia Abroad - News & Analysis (9-8-20
Posted: 13 Jan 2015 07:10
Guys nowadays i'm having Cartoonophobia 
The Phobia of Cartoons.

The Phobia of Cartoons.

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WTF. Why should non-muslims give a sh1t about "true meaning of islam" as long as it does not violent murderers and thugs committing terrorism on a regular basis? It is for muslims to keep to "false muslims" who seem to commit terror in check -- non muslims have nothing to do with it.As highlighted within the statement, both Muslim and non-Muslim communities need to reclaim and embrace the true meaning of Islam.
The British are the world’s worst cowards. It is one thing to say you don’t approve of Charlie Hebdo’s cartoons. But the BBC, Channel 4 and many newspapers won’t run any images of Mohammad whatsoever. They would at least have acknowledged censorship if they had announced that they were frightened of attacks on their staff. They would have clung to a remnant of their honour if they had said: “We are not censoring out of respect. We loathe the murderers who enforce their taboos with Kalashnikovs. But we do not want to spend years living in hiding, as Salman Rushdie did. Or be stabbed in the street, as Theo van Gogh was. Or hear an Islamist smash at our door with an axe and cry: “We will get our revenge,” – as Kurt Westergaard did. So we are backing away.”
UK is all set to become dominated by these jihadis…churchill's dreams come true, really.Colleagues who wanted historians at a London museum to talk about the long history of depictions of Muhammad in Islamic art last week were met with panicking press officers trying to shut them up. Historian Tom Holland, who received death threats after he challenged the creation myths of Islam, said: “I cannot think of any other area of history where debate is so nervous.” He hopes that historians will continue to say that the Koran was a manmade creation, but doubts that journalists will be keen to take their work to the public.
If you increase the complexity of the scenario one can judge the relative efficacy of the "top-down" law-judge-jury system versus mob justice/communal riot.Tuvaluan wrote:I am starting to buy the thesis that India's justice system is guaranteed not by the state (as it does not have the capacity to do so) but by society at large, which is of course uncontrolled and mostly mob justice and innocent people get hurt…but that is only one step removed from the "jury system" where everyone goes through a complicated song and dance before societies prejudices are imposed on the victim(s).
Stockholm Syndrome.Chandragupta wrote:Idiotic French men & women who I know, delusional with political correctness, are flooding my FB feed with 'Welcome King Abdullah' and 'Islam != Terror' crap. Poor guys don't have smallest of clues on what's in store for them.
Once again, quoting from Edward Said. European scholarship has a long history of utter contempt for Islam and Mohammad. Mohammad was called a false prophet and a copycat of Christianity. He occurs in various plays including Dante's "Inferno" in which Mohammad can be found in the eighth of nine circles of hell.Chandragupta wrote:In a way what's happening in Europe is what Europeans themselves did to natives in Americas & Australia. Killed off the natives or brought them to extinction after being sheltered by the same people & welcomed in good faith. Muslims are doing the same to Europeans in their own native land. Like native Americans & native Australians, native Europeans are poised to lose their land to outsiders, this time Mohammedans. Karma pays back.
Islam will not go away easily as it has taken 1000 plus years to take roots in indian subcontinent. Islam is by the arabs and for arabs. For all non-arabs it has been tragic. We should focus on arab islam and show its brutal ways such as ISIS, brutal regime, etc to indian muslims. To the muslims of the subcontinent arabs are chosen people and are special. Any religion founded by a single individual and following a single book is tragic and leads to large scale massacres and wiping out of civilizations. The one exception is Buddhism because Buddha never talked about abrahamatic type god and was down to earth and never said his is the only way.Chandragupta wrote:I was just wondering, will there ever be a time when Muslims will finally realise that Islam is nothing more than a violent cult around a book that makes no sense whatsoever, most of it is copied from the bible, whatever is not is either delusional utterings or rules on war, conquest, subjugation & rape. Will Muslims ever realise that Islam itself is their true enemy, that they have been fooled by the Araps into aping their desert cult & subjugating them? And perhaps then they will pull down the mosques, burn the holy pook and go back to their ancestral religions?
I know you want to say 'when pigs will fly'. But there is a hope, atleast I see a flicker. But it needs even more violence, even more blood & even more turmoil in the green vs green world. There has to be a breaking point after which even retarded people (which is common amongst inbred people) will give up & see Islam for what it truly is.
I see Pakistan or parts of Pakistan as good candidates for this. A free Balochistan, for example, going back to Hinduism & Buddhism and blaming Islam for all its ills will break the back of Islam in South Asia. Perhaps, Modi & Doval should work towards such an end?
Do you perhaps imagine that Muslims will suddenly have a tube light moment and realize that Islam is a violent cult of domination? They already know that, how can they not? It is not really a secret. "Violent cult of domination" is the whole point.Chandragupta wrote:I was just wondering, will there ever be a time when Muslims will finally realise that Islam is nothing more than a violent cult around a book that makes no sense whatsoever, most of it is copied from the bible, whatever is not is either delusional utterings or rules on war, conquest, subjugation & rape. Will Muslims ever realise that Islam itself is their true enemy, that they have been fooled by the Araps into aping their desert cult & subjugating them? And perhaps then they will pull down the mosques, burn the holy pook and go back to their ancestral religions?
I know you want to say 'when pigs will fly'. But there is a hope, atleast I see a flicker. But it needs even more violence, even more blood & even more turmoil in the green vs green world. There has to be a breaking point after which even retarded people (which is common amongst inbred people) will give up & see Islam for what it truly is.
I see Pakistan or parts of Pakistan as good candidates for this. A free Balochistan, for example, going back to Hinduism & Buddhism and blaming Islam for all its ills will break the back of Islam in South Asia. Perhaps, Modi & Doval should work towards such an end?
Consistent, ruthless, extremely violent mayhem causing strikes against Islamism is the only possible way forward. Commie infestation removal from a large part of South America was done exactly the same way: it did succeed to a large extent. It was known as operation Condor: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor . Basically they propped up another militia that was more ruthless than the commies and they targeted the "soft commies" (equivalent of Sufis). Everytime there was a commie attack, some family member of a commie leader will meet with a violent end, usually in a massive bomb blast. This is a war of attrition and can only be won by consistent decimation of the enemies will power and physical capability.shiv wrote: The only answer is to kill back with utter ruthlessness. Peace is not an answer.
Never thought I would see the day when the French are heroes and the BBC and Daily Mail are trembling like little girls.
You've published the article without the picture that the article is about. Not very Je Suis Charlie. Shame on you.
bottom line-Brits have given upAre we not carrying the image then Daily Mail?? So much for solidarity.
Everyone want wants to be on the winning team. No one wants to be with the losers. As of today, Muslims see themselves as winners, as conquerors. Yes, by violence, and even though their ancestors GUBO'ed to the invader, they have been brainwashed that their ancestors came from Arabia. Hindus are seen as poor, wimpy and weak. When Arabs become poor and Hindus become rich, things will change.KLNMurthy wrote:Do you perhaps imagine that Muslims will suddenly have a tube light moment and realize that Islam is a violent cult of domination? They already know that, how can they not? It is not really a secret. "Violent cult of domination" is the whole point.Chandragupta wrote:I was just wondering, will there ever be a time when Muslims will finally realise that Islam is nothing more than a violent cult around a book that makes no sense whatsoever, most of it is copied from the bible, whatever is not is either delusional utterings or rules on war, conquest, subjugation & rape. Will Muslims ever realise that Islam itself is their true enemy, that they have been fooled by the Araps into aping their desert cult & subjugating them? And perhaps then they will pull down the mosques, burn the holy pook and go back to their ancestral religions?
I know you want to say 'when pigs will fly'. But there is a hope, atleast I see a flicker. But it needs even more violence, even more blood & even more turmoil in the green vs green world. There has to be a breaking point after which even retarded people (which is common amongst inbred people) will give up & see Islam for what it truly is.
I see Pakistan or parts of Pakistan as good candidates for this. A free Balochistan, for example, going back to Hinduism & Buddhism and blaming Islam for all its ills will break the back of Islam in South Asia. Perhaps, Modi & Doval should work towards such an end?
A better question would be, "will non- muslims ever acknowledge this fact?" A follow-up question would be, "what will they do about it?"
Wealth alone will do nothing because those Muslim hordes became wealthy by looting - this is well documented even in Islamic literature. Getting wealthy is not enough. Wealth needs to be combined with military power to protect that wealth. Even if that wealth is in terms of "knowledge" the hardware and humans to protect that are essential. This is the real lessons for Hindus.KJo wrote:Hindus are seen as poor, wimpy and weak. When Arabs become poor and Hindus become rich, things will change.
When Mohd bin qasim jnvaded India, Arabs were poor and Hindus were rich IIRC.KJo wrote: ...
Everyone want wants to be on the winning team. No one wants to be with the losers. As of today, Muslims see themselves as winners, as conquerors. Yes, by violence, and even though their ancestors GUBO'ed to the invader, they have been brainwashed that their ancestors came from Arabia. Hindus are seen as poor, wimpy and weak. When Arabs become poor and Hindus become rich, things will change.
Who knew that in 711AD? Did anyone have the internet saar?KLNMurthy wrote:When Mohd bin qasim jnvaded India, Arabs were poor and Hindus were rich IIRC.KJo wrote: ...
Everyone want wants to be on the winning team. No one wants to be with the losers. As of today, Muslims see themselves as winners, as conquerors. Yes, by violence, and even though their ancestors GUBO'ed to the invader, they have been brainwashed that their ancestors came from Arabia. Hindus are seen as poor, wimpy and weak. When Arabs become poor and Hindus become rich, things will change.
Exactly, Shiv. We may have been rich, but we did not stay together and we did not realize the need for security. Instead of writing poetry, we should have been inventing rockets and bombs. In today's world, it is about wealth since most countries have similar weapons and countries rarely invade. I don't think any country will do a conventional invasion on India anymore. But we are seen over the world as poor and dirty, living in slums. You know this is what people think when you see movies of India, its always about something like this. Overall, Hindus are not seen as winners, they are seen as pushovers with no H&D. Even goras visiting India are treated better than other fellow desis who may be richer. Muslims all over the world GUBO to the Arab.shiv wrote:Wealth alone will do nothing because those Muslim hordes became wealthy by looting - this is well documented even in Islamic literature. Getting wealthy is not enough. Wealth needs to be combined with military power to protect that wealth. Even if that wealth is in terms of "knowledge" the hardware and humans to protect that are essential. This is the real lessons for Hindus.KJo wrote:Hindus are seen as poor, wimpy and weak. When Arabs become poor and Hindus become rich, things will change.
Not a word about Saudi Arabia and Turkey being part of that same march...that too when these regimes have a hand in funding and motivating violent jihadis groups all over the world.Weren’t you sickened to see Benjamin Netanyahu, the prime minister of a country that was responsible for the killing of seven journalists in Gaza in 2014, attend the “unity rally” in Paris? Bibi was joined by Angela Merkel, chancellor of a country where Holocaust denial is punishable by up to five years in prison, and David Cameron, who wants to ban non-violent “extremists” committed to the “overthrow of democracy” from appearing on television.
No one is asking the "moderate muslim" Mehdi Hasan to laugh at Charlie Hebdo cartoons -- he and his ilk are asked to go look at some other cartoon and ignore any cartoons depicting mohammed.You ask us to laugh at a cartoon of the Prophet while ignoring the vilification of Islam across the continent (have you visited Germany lately?) and the widespread discrimination against Muslims in education, employment and public life – especially in France.
Satyavachan. It wont behoove Indics to claim Aryavarna till they have done Shalan of malech stain on their Soil and Sanskriti . Zindus must become Slakatak of snakes and scorpions sneaked in for stealing souls and Smridhi. Rakat Mahasnan Is due after millennia of Paap Santap.shiv wrote:KJo wrote:Hindus are seen as poor, wimpy and weak. When Arabs become poor and Hindus become rich, things will change.
Wealth alone will do nothing because those Muslim hordes became wealthy by looting - this is well documented even in Islamic literature. Getting wealthy is not enough. Wealth needs to be combined with military power to protect that wealth. Even if that wealth is in terms of "knowledge" the hardware and humans to protect that are essential. This is the real lessons for Hindus.
They deserve what is coming and may they get the full karmic justice of their actions in this yug. I actively argue for the beacefools and against the EDL in other forums and comment section for the same reason. I encourage othet brfites to fo the same.IndraD wrote:
bottom line-Brits have given up
Maybe the ASG can sit down and define "decent humour" while he is at it. sheesh."The extreme political views or contrary views and decent humour cannot be prohibited," Additional Solicitor General (ASG) Tushar Mehta submitted before a bench comprising Justices J Chelameswar and R F Nariman.
The ASG, however, placed documents indicating that those posts which had the potential of "outrageously and directly offending" religious sentiments needed to be prohibited in the cyber world.
The approach needs to be two-fold. Parts of Pakistan will be open to Hindu / Buddhist ghar-wapsi over a period of time. Simultaneously - Iran (including Persians and Kurds) need to be worked on for ghar wapsi to Zaroastrianism & Buddhism.When the Persians start returning to Ahura Mazda - the Muslim Punjabi and Sindhi ghar-wapsi to Indic religions will accelerate. But all this is a few decades away.Chandragupta wrote:I see Pakistan or parts of Pakistan as good candidates for this. A free Balochistan, for example, going back to Hinduism & Buddhism and blaming Islam for all its ills will break the back of Islam in South Asia. Perhaps, Modi & Doval should work towards such an end?
Now this is how integration is supposed to work folks. The man has some serious balls and deserves applause.* Ahmed Aboutaleb, a Moroccan-born Muslim, spoke after Paris attack
* The mayor said Dutch Muslims who 'don't like freedom' can f*** off
* He added: 'Vanish from the Netherlands if you cannot find your place here'
* Aboutaleb became the first immigrant mayor in the Netherlands in 2008
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Mayor Aboutaleb, who represents the Dutch Labour Party, de Partij van de Arbeid, has long had a no-nonsense approach to immigration and integration.
Speaking to the Observer shortly after his appointment he said his message to immigrants is 'stop seeing yourself as victims, and if you don't want to integrate, leave'.
Well said Ahmed Aboutaleb. The task of integration with the resident community lies with the immigrant. Immigrants wanting change to reflect their way of life back home should go back where such facilities already exist.ArmenT wrote:Interesting view by the mayor of Rotterdam
Moroccan-born mayor of Rotterdam tells fellow Muslims who do not appreciate the 'freedoms' of living in the West to 'pack your bags and f*** off' on live TVNow this is how integration is supposed to work folks. The man has some serious balls and deserves applause.* Ahmed Aboutaleb, a Moroccan-born Muslim, spoke after Paris attack
* The mayor said Dutch Muslims who 'don't like freedom' can f*** off
* He added: 'Vanish from the Netherlands if you cannot find your place here'
* Aboutaleb became the first immigrant mayor in the Netherlands in 2008
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Mayor Aboutaleb, who represents the Dutch Labour Party, de Partij van de Arbeid, has long had a no-nonsense approach to immigration and integration.
Speaking to the Observer shortly after his appointment he said his message to immigrants is 'stop seeing yourself as victims, and if you don't want to integrate, leave'.
Apparently, there is some district level data available on which several people have done analysis and come to the figure of 14.xx% as Muslim Population in 2011.arun wrote:X Posted from the "Secularism in India - Boon or Bane" thread.
Where Are India’s 2011 Census Figures on Religion?
Where indeed are they?
Where Are India’s 2011 Census Figures on Religion?
Shiv - while the erstwhile Central Asian components of USSR had dominant Muslim population and that went away with USSR, Russia still has Muslim population in the Caucasus region. This entire region was won through sword and has a very bloody history. Chechnya is one such example. So, there is a attraction point for Jehadis when it comes to Russia...like Xinjiang in China.shiv wrote:<SNIP> Islam has declared war against all three states without any of those states actively interfering with the ummah - and in fact with all 3 mostly being on the side of Islamic nations <SNIP>