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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Posted: 23 Jul 2015 21:23
by Falijee
I.S.I To Build Mass Surveillance System
The Pakistani government is reaching out to U.S. and European companies to help it build a sophisticated mass surveillance system, according to a new report published by the London-based Privacy International advocacy group.
The report, by the U.K.-based advocacy group Privacy International, does not say if Pakistan has built the system. But it raises concerns about what Pakistan — a country that has been accused of providing refuge to the Taliban and has a history of cracking down on human rights activists — would do with the ability to carry out mass surveillance
Pakistan was one of the so-called 3rd party partners approved to take part in gathering intelligence from electronic signals with the NSA. For years, the U.S.-run surveillance program in Pakistan intercepted communications in the country and provided intelligence to U.S. military operations across the region. But the Privacy International report published Tuesday says Pakistan has begun developing its own capability [*][/b]and would not be relying on the U.S. to gain access to hundreds of millions of people’s emails, phone calls, and other communications.
[*] There were reports a while back that the Pakis are going to 'piggy back' on the new Chini Satellite/GPS System
Pakistan has already built itself a sizable surveillance toolkit, purchasing surveillance technology from companies ranging from the U.S.-based Blue Coat to the Chinese Huawei, according to the report
The recent breach of the email server of the Milan-based Hacking Team surveillance company also revealed that the group was in talks with Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) to sell its monitoring system.

The system named in documents as the “Targeted IP monitoring System” would help ISI create centralized command centers in Karachi that would allow it to collect “a significant portion of communications travelling within and through the country,” according to one of the company documents posted by Privacy International.
Trade records for Pakistan published online show Trovicor shipping more than 2,500 tons of computer equipment to one of Pakistan’s largest cell phone carriers, Warid, in September 2014.
Trovicor did not respond to repeated requests from BuzzFeed News for comment on its products, or on its business contracts in Pakistan. Two competitors, one from Narus and another from Alcatel, both of whom do business in Pakistan, told BuzzFeed News on condition of anonymity that they had heard that Trovicor had recently increased its business in Pakistan but did not know details of the deal.

The Pakistani Embassy did not respond to requests for comment.[/quote]
“The scale of the system proposed by the Inter-Services Intelligence does not just affect those who live in Pakistan but also those who live in the region and anyone whose communications travel through Pakistan’s networks,” said Rice. “This will include a huge amount of innocent people swept up in a project like this for no good reason. We need to know whether this project was approved, and if so how it is being regulated to prevent abuse of such a powerful system.”
Relevant question is how is Bhooka-nanga Pakistan funding this expensive project :roll:

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Posted: 23 Jul 2015 21:51
by johneeG
It sounds like NSA is going to setup a mass surveillance system on bakis. Perhaps, they agreed to share it with ISI. Poor bakis... they don't get to decide what happens in their own country.

Now, See Eye A will know more bakiland than bakis themselves. Already, there were allegations that there was turf war between ISI and See Eye A in bakiland sometime back.

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BTW saars,
what could be the impact of Eyeran deal?
Some say that this might mean Eyeran gets more central role. And bakis and Saudis would be downgraded. Turk and Eyeran might replace saudis and bakis respectively.

Bakis seem to be looking towards Cheen.

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Posted: 23 Jul 2015 22:15
by RCase
Gagan wrote:The most stupidest pakjabi argument one is ever likely to hear is "Behre-sageer ke musalmaano ki tehreek se Pakistaan ka kayaam hua"
Utter, 400% tripe !
They base their claim over kashmir on this piece of falsity.

One should not attempt to counter this with a reasonable argument with statistics. This needs to be countered with an equally retarded argument that stoops to the low levels of the Pakjabi IQ. Something like, "Paartishun ke waqt, behre-sageer ke zyada musalmaano ne hindustaan ka inthekhaab kiya tha. Musalmaan hindustaan mein by choice rahe" "71 mein two nation theory khatam ho gayi"
or something even more gross and crappy.

The reason is that the Pakjabis don't have any reasoning power whatsoever, they can't use statistics. They can only use folklore, religious fiction, low IQ rustic thinking.
And yes, they always understand the language of force.
In my opinion, the Pakistan of partition (claim of made for Musalmans) ended in 1971. Well over 2/3 of the the Behre sageer ka musalman do not live in a country that has usurped the name Pakistan and hence there is no claim for Kashmir on any religious basis.

I would like India to use Chinese style arguments that all historical records indicate that Kashmir was Hindu territory.

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Posted: 23 Jul 2015 22:28
by johneeG
^^^
There is no need to go into complicated arguments about Kashmir. Bhaarath should simply insist on UN resolutions be followed. That means Pakistan Army and all its citizens should vacate POK and hand it over to Bhaarath. Then, the talks can be held between Kashmiris and Govt of India. Pakistan has no locus standi in Kashmir issue.

Shimla agreement is the problem. Bhaarath should stop insisting on it.

Instead, we had a role reverse. Bakis were insisting on UN resolutions while Bhaarath was talking about Shimla agreement. Shimla agreement is the worst kind of agreement after a spectacular victory.

Bhaarath is already suffering the worst:
- Jammu & Kashmir has article 370 and claims to be a sovereign state with a separate flag.
- POK is in the hands of bakis.

If Bhaarath insists on UN resolutions, then
- the worstcase scenario for Bhaarath is the POK will be part of J&K and continue with the same autonomy that J&K has.
- the bestcase scenario is that POK will be part of J&K and autonomy to J&K ends.

The present scenario is worst of the worst for Bhaarath.

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Posted: 23 Jul 2015 22:33
by sanjaykumar
I would like India to use Chinese style arguments that all historical records indicate that Kashmir was Hindu territory.


Nehru used to employ this argument, apparently in excruciating detail.

Of course Pakistan was meant for Muslims, only they need to inform the world exactly what sort of Muslim.

Baluchi, Sindhi, UP wallah, Bengali, Balwaristani, Pathan, Shia, Khwaja Bohra, Ismaili, Ahmedi, Hazara.

Oh wait a sec, they are eloquently doing just that.

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Posted: 23 Jul 2015 23:29
by Gagan
:eek:
What if HazRAT Jahil HamIED (PBUH) returns after 8 years and 1200 lashes hain ji?
He would have learned fluent Arapic, and will be able to use arapic pseudoreligious quotes to fool Pakis into Gazwa-e-HIND.
:(

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Posted: 23 Jul 2015 23:45
by Melwyn
Gagan wrote::eek:
What if HazRAT Jahil HamIED (PBUH) returns after 8 years and 1200 lashes hain ji?
He would have learned fluent Arapic, and will be able to use arapic pseudoreligious quotes to fool Pakis into Gazwa-e-HIND.
:(
I'm surprised that Pakis just allowed him to go to dogs. Not even a whimper of protest in front of the arapes?
Wait, why am I surprised by the behaviour of the pakis!

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Posted: 24 Jul 2015 00:05
by Gagan
Civilians don't want him around. He was always asking the fauj to stage a coup (& make him the sadr-e-pakistan)

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Posted: 24 Jul 2015 00:17
by rajsunder
amitkv wrote:
Gagan wrote::eek:
What if HazRAT Jahil HamIED (PBUH) returns after 8 years and 1200 lashes hain ji?
He would have learned fluent Arapic, and will be able to use arapic pseudoreligious quotes to fool Pakis into Gazwa-e-HIND.
:(
I'm surprised that Pakis just allowed him to go to dogs. Not even a whimper of protest in front of the arapes?
Wait, why am I surprised by the behaviour of the pakis!
Pak army logic is that if they can make one lal-topi, they can make some more. Anyways he was becoming too big for his own shoes.

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Posted: 24 Jul 2015 01:40
by Prem
Gagan wrote::eek:
What if HazRAT Jahil HamIED (PBUH) returns after 8 years and 1200 lashes hain ji?
He would have learned fluent Arapic, and will be able to use arapic pseudoreligious quotes to fool Pakis into Gazwa-e-HIND. :(
Koi Movie Shoovie Dikhao Hazmatrat ki A-ssie Ki T-assie Bante Hue.

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Posted: 24 Jul 2015 02:25
by Anindya
Italy Arrests 2 Men Accused of Planning Terrorist Attacks
The Italian police on Wednesday arrested two men accused of plotting attacks on national landmarks in Italy and of posting threatening messages online in support of the Islamic State.

One photograph identified by the police as evidence showed Milan’s central train station with a caption that said: “Islamic State in Rome. We are on your streets.”

The two men, a 35-year-old Tunisian and a 26-year-old Pakistani, lived near Brescia, in the Lombardy region. Prosecutors said the men had also set their sights on a military base near Brescia as a potential target and had expressed a desire to travel to the territory controlled by the Islamic State, also known as ISIS or ISIL, to receive military training.

“They spoke of many potential targets,” but the two were arrested before moving “into an active phase,”

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Posted: 24 Jul 2015 02:35
by Gagan
The thing with the Pakistani fauj is, as soon as they knew some choppers had landed in Abbottabad, they took a hands-off approach to their most prized possession.
If they didn't move a muscle to save OBL, they won't do anything to save Lal Topi.

This is also a message to all the non state actors in Pakistan. When the fauj didn't come to the aid of the non-state actor no1, what hope do they have if some foreign power decides to snatch/give them their 72 hain ji?
All non state actors should know that they are on their own if the Pakistan hits the fan for them. It is safer for them to start doing fala-e-behbood wale kaam like half-is-suar.

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Posted: 24 Jul 2015 02:44
by Gagan

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Posted: 24 Jul 2015 06:30
by SSridhar
On the question of the Pakistan's 'terror dossier', the objective is simple, IMO. Since Sharm-al-Sheik, India has been saying that Pakistan has never given any evidence except orally claiming India to be involved in terrorism. The US has also repeatedly said it has not seen any evidence. So, Pakistanis now want to give a 'dossier', the most ridiculous one, so that no one can say Pakistan has not given evidence. If India rubbishes it, as it will, then it becomes easy for Pakistan to act similarly in existing and future cases and also use it as a stick to beat India with. The US can no longer say it has not seen the evidence. India, checkmated ! This is the Pakistani gambit. The idea is to effectively remove 'terror' from being the primary talking point of India's approach in bilateral discussions and revert to Kashmir being the primary point. . Also, Pakistan may hope to bring this issue before the UNSC Committee on Counter-Terrorism with the help of its friend China to further embarrass us and create a sense of equality to force India to retreat from terrorism related issues in world fora. This government’s determined pursual of the issue in world fora (UNSC and then FATF followed by APG on Money Laundering) demanded some action from Pakistan. The fact that it is not going to fix the issue and it would rather paint India with the same brush shows the ‘enduring hostility’ of Pakistan.

What one has to understand about Pakistan (which equally applied to the pre-Partition All India Muslim League) is that it cuts its legs to fit the Indian shoe and it is obsessed with this approach right from inception. Thus, Pakistan developed into a pseudo-‘security-seeking state’, hiding its true objective which was destruction of India. It fabricated theories to prove its security paradigm. That is precisely what is happening now on this 'dossier' issue.

The well known Pakistani historian, Ms. Ayesha Jalal speaks of Pakistan as ‘Paranoidistan’ caught in a mindset ‘heavily influenced by fear of India’ and consequently ‘conspiracy theories’. The first part, 'being caught with the fear of India', is wrong. Pakistani Establishment deliberately created 'Paranoidistan' to justify all its actions. For example, paranoia about India gave the Army the pre-eminent, unquestionable position, which it enjoys to this day in spite of successive defeats with heavier and heavier margins in each outing against India. Paranoia justified wars. Paranoia justified a disproportionate armed forces. Paranoia justified non-state actors. It also justified jihadi islamism. More than anything else, it justified the 'crown jewels' and the ever lowering threshold of redlines. Paranoia was able to convince the US that the only way to solve the India-Pakistan problem was to remove this paranoia which meant more arms supply to Pakistan to balance off India and force India to make concessions. The second part of Ms. Jalal's proposition, 'conspiracy theories', is true as we all know. These conspiracy theories have been used to justify atrocities within their own country, like for example on the Baloch or the genocide in East Pakistan or in Gilgit Baltistan or on the Mohajir etc.

Once again, Pakistan is trying to put to use paranoia and conspiracy theories as tools to pursue its foreign policy.

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Posted: 24 Jul 2015 06:44
by partha
During the Kiyanahi to Raheel Shariff transition phase, when it was not yet decided who would be the new army chief, I remember watching a video of a Paki 'news' program posted here where lal topi argued that next army chief should be a Pashtun. All in all he had made too many enemies. That's not how you go about doing ghazwa-e-hind.

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Posted: 24 Jul 2015 07:29
by A_Gupta
^^^ SSridharji, The problem with Pakistan's effort is that it has little credibility left. No one is going to state it outright, but no one is going to believe them either.

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Posted: 24 Jul 2015 08:06
by A_Gupta
http://www.dawn.com/news/1196025/us-law ... -militants
WASHINGTON: US lawmakers, while pleased with Pakistan’s resolve to combat extremists along the Afghan border, are pressing the country also to crack down on other militant groups.

The prime minister’s special assistant on foreign affairs Syed Tariq Fatemi and senior Pakistani diplomats had a taste of their indignation over the issue this week as they spent two days on Capitol Hill, lobbying for their country.

While statements issued by the Pakistani side after these meetings ignored the subject, congressional aides told reporters that some senior US lawmakers were particularly interested in the Mumbai terrorist attacks case.

The lawmakers also shared their concern over a recent decision by a Pakistani court to release all suspects in the Malala case for lack of evidence.

One of them, Congressman Ed Royce, who chairs the House Foreign Relations Committee, urged Islamabad to either hand over the alleged Mumbai attack mastermind Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi to India or present him in the International Criminal Court in The Hague.

Earlier, Chairman Royce and Eliot Engel, the ranking Democrat on his committee, had also sent a letter to Secretary of State John Kerry, urging him to persuade Pakistan to fight all terrorists, whether operating on its western or eastern borders.

They wrote: “The United States should pursue a different approach with the Pakistani government. We urge you to consider implementing travel restrictions, suspending portions of assistance, and sanctioning Pakistani officials that maintain relationships with designated terrorist groups.”

They argued that “such an approach would make clear that the US and Pakistan cannot have a true strategic partnership until Pakistan cuts all ties with terrorist organisations and renounces its use as an instrument of state policy.”

The Pakistan Embassy in Washington, however, said that Mr Fatemi continued his “intense engagements” with US lawmakers on Thursday as well.

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Posted: 24 Jul 2015 08:30
by CRamS
SSridhar wrote:The idea is to effectively remove 'terror' from being the primary talking point of India's approach in bilateral discussions and revert to Kashmir being the primary point.
SSJi, great analysis as always. I would add one additional point. TSP also hopes that as it neutralizes the terror angle through its bogus claim, it can continue its terror strategy hiding behind this equal equal. In fact, that may very well be the reason why TSP agreed to remove explicit mention of Kashmir from the joint statement at Ufa. The idea was to get India to talk, and then turn the tables.

Remains to be seen how ModiJi/Doval counter this. I think its a total waste of time, and India is shooting itself on its feet. ModiJi's stance to date has been the correct one: no talks until 26/11 and other terror bench marks are addressed.

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Posted: 24 Jul 2015 08:37
by A_Gupta
http://www.samaa.tv/economy/22-Jul-2015 ... of-country
"FWO takes challenge to connect Gwadar Port with rest of country"
According to ISPR here on Wednesday, the project encompasses construction of 870 kilometers of road. Deployment was approved in February 2014 and FWO units mobilized on site in March 2014.

Presently 11 units are employed on Balochistan Projects. Unprecedented efforts were made for mobilization of manpower and equipment on project sites and to date 502 kilometers of road has been completed in less than one and half year.

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Posted: 24 Jul 2015 09:47
by SSridhar
A_Gupta wrote:^^^ SSridharji, The problem with Pakistan's effort is that it has little credibility left. No one is going to state it outright, but no one is going to believe them either.
A_Guptaji, you are absolutely right. No right thinking nation can accept such ridiculous Pakistani proposition, But, then, geopolitics is something else. Pakistan may be clutching on to such a straw in the storm!

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Posted: 24 Jul 2015 09:56
by arshyam
Has anyone noticed things are quiet on the internal non state action front? Till a month ago, there used to be reports of some sectarian attack or the other every week, but they seemed to have stopped, or at least noticeably reduced. What gives?

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Posted: 24 Jul 2015 09:57
by Kashi
Puki review of Bajrangi bhaijaan..this quote stood out
and the final scene, particularly Munni’s miraculous “Jai Sri Ram” chant, was quite unnecessary
http://www.thefridaytimes.com/tft/bajra ... prejudice/

The concept of irony is truly lost on some..

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Posted: 24 Jul 2015 10:22
by SSridhar
CRamS wrote:In fact, that may very well be the reason why TSP agreed to remove explicit mention of Kashmir from the joint statement at Ufa. The idea was to get India to talk, and then turn the tables.
CRS, quite possible.

Why did it include the Army School massacre? The allegations of India's involvement in Balochistan does not electrify the Pakistanis as much as the attack on the school children. The Indian involvement with MQM hinges on material to be furnished by a foreign country, the UK, and already the allegation has started unravelling especially since it was attributed to a single Pakistani source. Besides, the UK police has rubbished some assertions. It leaves only the 'bad Taliban' as the likely option for Pakistan to insinuate India with. This does not depend upon information from any foreign country either. Pakistan can fabricate all necessary 'proof'. Whether it will convince anyone at all is another issue.

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Posted: 24 Jul 2015 10:31
by pankajs
Army school massacre look as heinous as Mumbai with about the same body count. OTOH, an attack on children makes it more heinous.

Samjhuta did not quite fit the bill and never got the kind of traction except with the Baki Tv anchors and track twoers.

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Posted: 24 Jul 2015 10:37
by SSridhar
^ Quite true.

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Posted: 24 Jul 2015 10:42
by Kashi
SSridhar wrote:Why did it include the Army School massacre? The allegations of India's involvement in Balochistan does not electrify the Pakistanis as much as the attack on the school children.
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It leaves only the 'bad Taliban' as the likely option for Pakistan to insinuate India with. This does not depend upon information from any foreign country either. Pakistan can fabricate all necessary 'proof'. Whether it will convince anyone at all is another issue.
Blaming APS on India also serves to secure the "No muslims can do this" that the Pakis never fail to assert at any given opportunity.

In my opinion, it also helps to salvage a few reputations for themselves

1. Im the dim may have proved himself to dimmer than a firefly on a deathbed, but he remains someone whom the establishment hope to exploit sometime in the future. Taliban Khan's unwavering support for the bad Taliban generated a lot of heat after the APS massacre and it did not help matters that Taliban accepted responsibility for the act. Blaming it on India gives a way out to all those who do not wish to go down that path- Dim can continue to support bad taliban by saying that India did it. Establishment need not act against Im the dim and of course all can go back to the usual business. After all hating India is much easier and convenient for everyone than taking a stance that would raise uncomfortable questions down the line.

2. Yes they will fabricate the evidence out of their Musharrafs and the best part is that they do not wish to convince anyone. Tangible proof never mattered when Fair aunty pulled out the Zahedan consulate nonsense or when Chuck Hagel spat out the India-using-Afghan-against-Paki nonsense. There are enough TSP benefactors who'll disregard all and any evidence that India provides against the Pakis, while conjuring up "facts" out of thin air to support their munna. I would not be surprised if this suggestion of a dossier came from one of the 3.2 (I deliberately lowered Britain's relevance here).

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Posted: 24 Jul 2015 16:20
by SSridhar
Kashi wrote: Tangible proof never mattered when Fair aunty pulled out the Zahedan consulate nonsense
Kashi, ironically, Ms. Fair says, in that manthan video, that Pakistani stance has more acceptance all over the world tham India's.

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Posted: 24 Jul 2015 16:27
by Kashi
SSridhar wrote:Kashi, ironically, Ms. Fair says, in that manthan video, that Pakistani stance has more acceptance all over the world tham India's.
I have not been able to see the manthan video yet, but which stance did she explicitly refer to?

Apart from OIC we have not seen a major country, including China, who have outright supported Paki stance on Kashmir. Apart from Chuck Hagel and Fair herself, cannot recall any senior figures in major countries accusing India of fomenting terror in Pakistan/occupied Balochistan.

Perhaps for Fair, the world starts and end within the shores of USA?

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Posted: 24 Jul 2015 16:37
by SSridhar
She was referring to J&K.

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Posted: 24 Jul 2015 17:15
by habal
SSridhar wrote:
Kashi wrote: Tangible proof never mattered when Fair aunty pulled out the Zahedan consulate nonsense
Kashi, ironically, Ms. Fair says, in that manthan video, that Pakistani stance has more acceptance all over the world tham India's.
but they adopt many 'stances' to match the ocassion don't they ? One stance with the americans. :oops:
another stance with the saudis. :|
yet another with the chinese. Most likely a feet closed stance in this case.
a particular stance at the UN. Again feet closed, because the focus is on vocal strength there.

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Posted: 24 Jul 2015 18:27
by schinnas
SSridhar wrote:
Kashi wrote: Tangible proof never mattered when Fair aunty pulled out the Zahedan consulate nonsense
Kashi, ironically, Ms. Fair says, in that manthan video, that Pakistani stance has more acceptance all over the world tham India's.
For the Abrahamic world, it is easy to subscribe to a two nation theory as it is not natural for them to even conceive of a higher ideals such as Vasudeva Kudumbakam, let alone even approach nation building with such an ideal. These countries would naturally think that a muslim majority state should be with Pakistan. Besides, Pukis are adept in playing on top of such a general sentiment. Only those westerners such as Ms. Fair who bother to dwell into the details can uncover the Puki game.

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Posted: 24 Jul 2015 18:31
by Paul
The School’s purpose was – and remains – the provision of good education and particularly Urdu teaching to the children of the 3,000 strong staff in our largest and most crucial Mission abroad.
There were 3000 Pakis in New Delhi consulate at one time!!!!! Show the extent of Aman ki Asha in those days.

- See more at: http://www.thefridaytimes.com/tft/pakis ... kwsWk.dpuf

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Posted: 24 Jul 2015 18:31
by CRamS
SSridhar wrote:
Why did it include the Army School massacre? The allegations of India's involvement in Balochistan does not electrify the Pakistanis as much as the attack on the school children. The Indian involvement with MQM hinges on material to be furnished by a foreign country, the UK, and already the allegation has started unravelling especially since it was attributed to a single Pakistani source. Besides, the UK police has rubbished some assertions. It leaves only the 'bad Taliban' as the likely option for Pakistan to insinuate India with. This does not depend upon information from any foreign country either. Pakistan can fabricate all necessary 'proof'. Whether it will convince anyone at all is another issue.
SSJi, I have a slightly different take, assuming its different at all from yours. I don't think TSP gives a rats behind for what US/UK think, except that if they (US/UK) buy their delusions, its icing on the cake, like how they quote Chuck Hagel and used to Fair ad nauseum. And besides, as you and I both know, US/UK (and their other white lackeys) are not interested in dealing with India-specific TSP terror, they just want to manage the tensions ensuing from India's legitimate anger, so they can pursue their interests with both.

No, what TSP wants is to confuse the terror issue and make it chaotic. Furthermore, their target audience is India. Now, when they put this dossier rubbish out (Ackkk Thoo), the usual suspects in India, Burka and Thappad will have loud headlines "TSP accuses India of terror", and will have a "debate" with TSP RAPE frauds repeating that, and on our side, Suhasini Haider or Jyothi Malhotra or Siddarth Vardarjan or MSA; lots to pick from (on this count, I think the other DDM clown, dorknob will at least loudly rubbish TSP's claims, so BJP should harness him on this count :-)). These WKK scum will not head-on take TSP's allegations, but will bat for talks and crap like that (to appear magnanimous and big brotherly), and so you get the drift, and the issue will be muddled, and a different narrative will be put in place.

On the western side, every Reuters/AFP/BBC report etc will end with "Both India & TSP accuse each other of fomenting terror". What TSP wants is to blunt the terror tag arrayed against it in the India TSP context. Thus, I re-iterate that this decision by ModiJi to agree to these disgusting talks is in danger of consigning 26/11 to just another statistical data point in the long list of terror attacks against India by TSP. As long as the narrative is "both India and TSP accuse each other", thats good enough for them. WKKs will do the rest.

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Posted: 24 Jul 2015 19:01
by chetak
^^^^^^^
Doornob is like an unguided missile already fired. No recall, no controlled detonation and no guidance. this megalomaniac can and will damage things not anticipated. He is like a drunk monkey stung by a scorpion. He himself may not know which way he is headed or what damage he will do.

the pakis desperately want talks to shoehorn something on to the table, something very bad for us.

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Posted: 24 Jul 2015 20:19
by A_Gupta
Michael Kugelman on why Pakistan accuses India of terrorism (from June)
http://www.wilsoncenter.org/article/why ... -terrorism

Excerpts:
Accusing Indian spies of subversive and nefarious activities in Pakistan is an age-old practice. Such charges afford Pakistani officials a means of shielding themselves from blame for their country’s ills. They also convey a reassuring Muslims-cannot-be-responsible-for violence message that plays well among the general population. Yet, these accusations go well beyond terrorism. Pakistanis have constantly conjured up conspiracies that deposit blame for all manner of misfortune — from floods to fraud scandals — on India’s doorstep.

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However, it is relatively unusual for the Pakistani military to make such serious allegations about Indian support for terrorism in Pakistan so publicly, and in such a direct manner.
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The frequency and directness of these latest allegations are striking, but this should not obscure a fundamental reality: Pakistan’s motivations for leveling these latest accusations are ultimately rooted in factors that go back many months and years.
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Consider, for example, one possible explanation for the recent allegations against RAW: the Pakistani military’s wish to deflect attention from negative publicity....., it has actually suffered blows to its image for a number of years
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Another possible reason why the Pakistani military is so boldly accusing RAW of terror is pure bravado: it wants to showcase its strength, and demonstrate that it is fully in control.
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In effect, despite those aforementioned hits to its image, the military is flying high today, thanks to the aftermath of last summer’s anti-government movement. Not only is it firmly in control of foreign affairs, but it has once again become a key player in efforts to launch peace talks between Kabul and the Afghan Taliban, thanks to a modest (albeit perhaps short-lived) thaw in relations with Kabul and to the decision of Islamabad’s close ally in Beijing to take a leading role in pursuing reconciliation.
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Of course, the Pakistani military — and many if not most Pakistanis — would offer a simpler reason why it is leveling allegations about RAW-sponsored terrorism: The allegations represent the truth, and the truth must be known.....Still, there is no clear evidence that RAW is currently fomenting terror in Baluchistan or anywhere else in the country.
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At the end of the day, so far as Pakistan’s military is concerned, it doesn’t matter if its accusations are true or not. What matters is that they are articulated, and that the Pakistani public hears them — because the allegations are ultimately intended to strengthen the military’s legitimacy. This is arguably the chief reason why the army has so publicly and directly hit out at RAW.

Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10, 2015

Posted: 24 Jul 2015 20:24
by Peregrine
Hizbul Mujahideen disowns faction; more attacks in India-held Kashmir

MUZAFFARABAD: Hizbul Mujahideen, a local militant group, has disowned a splinter faction suspected of a string of killings in India-held Kashmir, with the rebuke followed swiftly on Friday by a string of attacks on telecommunication facilities in the region's main city.

The escalating rivalry is fuelling concern that rogue insurgents could ratchet up tension between India and Pakistan.

Hizbul Mujahideen, a Kashmiri separatist group whose leader Syed Salahuddin is based in Pakistan, said on Thursday it had expelled Abdul Qayoom Najar over his involvement in “gruesome murder” and the “character assassination of established pro-freedom leadership”.

Indian security forces say Najar leads a breakaway group called Lashkar-i-Islam that has perpetrated a series of attacks around Sopore, killing five people including telecommunication vendors and former militants.

In an apparent escalation on Friday, three more attacks were carried out on telecommunication facilities in Srinagar, one of them near the office of Chief Minister Mufti Mohammad Sayeed.

Sayeed, who leads the People's Democratic Party that seeks self-rule, rules India-held Kashmir in an uneasy coalition with Prime Minister Narendra Modi's Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party.

A senior police officer said one person had been injured in the attack near the chief minister's office, which declined to comment.

Earlier, militants threw grenades inside two mobile phone shops in Srinagar, injuring one person.

Lashkar-i-Islam has warned people to stop working for telecommunication companies, saying that Indian security forces are using mobile phone services to target members of the group.

Generation gap

The decision to expel Najar was taken by Hizbul Mujahideen's command council headed by Salahuddin, a 69-year-old preacher who turned to militancy in the late 1980s.

The bearded cleric is widely viewed as allied to hardline Kashmiri separatist leader Syed Ali Shah Geelani, who is 85.

“The report submitted by the inquiry commission has proved that Qayoom Najar, in an utter disregard of the Hizb leadership, violated the constitution of the outfit and carried out condemnable acts. Our constitution does not allow or permit such actions,” Salahuddin said in a statement.

Analysts say the emergence of a breakaway faction could mean that a new generation of Kashmiri militants is trying to force aside the ageing separatist leadership.
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Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Posted: 24 Jul 2015 20:36
by Dipanker
arshyam wrote:Has anyone noticed things are quiet on the internal non state action front? Till a month ago, there used to be reports of some sectarian attack or the other every week, but they seemed to have stopped, or at least noticeably reduced. What gives?

Sans the APS massacre the trend is going on for over a year now, coinciding the TTP's retreat.

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Posted: 24 Jul 2015 20:40
by shiv
Well let me say it out loud. If there are attacks in India they will be followed by terrorist outrages in Pakistan. You can figure out why.

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Posted: 24 Jul 2015 20:42
by Dipanker
Relevant question is how is Bhooka-nanga Pakistan funding this expensive project :roll:
Pakistanis has no qualms in begging, in fact they have a multi pronged begging strategy in place, there is a method to their begging.

Re: Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan-July 10,

Posted: 24 Jul 2015 21:03
by Falijee
Owaisi Welcome In Pakiland ? :roll:

Critic of Indian system can go to Pakistan: Indian MP :D

I dont think, that this Muslim would be welcomed in Pakiland ; he would be labelled as " too moderate" per Paki politics standards! :mrgreen: