Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

Muppalla · Post by **Muppalla** » 25 Apr 2013 15:36

kmkraoind wrote:Modi’s counter to “topi” politics: Track-II mission to woo Muslims - Firstpost

Modi’s supporters, in contrast, are working more discreetly, first testing the waters before letting the world know of their plans.

The estimate that Muslims provide the tilting factor in around 150 parliamentary seats is weighing heavily on the minds of Modi supporters. If the next parliamentary elections are fought in presidential style, Modi has to minimise the hostility of community members, if not nullify it or even try and win them over.

This is wishful thinking in the short term. If Modi can become PM and sustain for a term or two this trend may start. Even if we take out global Islamic tendencies out of the equation and just compare to any other caste, it takes as much time from Muslims to vote for BJP just like Yadavs to not vote to Mulayam and dalits to not vote for Maya in UP.

gakakkad · Post by **gakakkad** » 25 Apr 2013 16:28

with all the meetings and travel Modi is carrying out ,I am worried about his security.

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 25 Apr 2013 18:14

gakakkad wrote:with all the meetings and travel Modi is carrying out ,I am worried about his security.

Local BJP cadres should take proactive steps to ensure Namo's safety including generating intelligence and forming protective cordon. BJP Cadres with arms licenses might lend a helping hand. There is no doubt that Namo faces immense security threat.As I earlier also said even LKA or Kalyan Singh never faced such threats. The relentless demonisation by anti Hindu/anti Dharmic cult is responsible for this situation. They can never accept a Dharmic as PM.

Having said that I can also guarantee that in case of something happening to Namo, a civil war type situation will arise in Bharat sooner or later.

However it would be a folly for Namo to abandon these meetings. If anything he needs to increase the frequency of these meetings much more. Offense is the best form of defense. Ideally he should start crisscrossing the country any time now. That is still the most effective way to contact masses. Uprooting Congress is not a trivial task. And time is very limited before the next elections.

Vipin_Upadhyay · Post by **Vipin_Upadhyay** » 25 Apr 2013 18:41

darshhan wrote:
Having said that I can also guarantee that in case of something happening to Namo, a civil war type situation will arise in Bharat sooner or later.

I disagree.

Assassination of NaMo will only help CON party & their leftist cheerleaders in media to eliminate Nationalism from India for the time being.
Remember after Mumbai 26/11 similar mood was prevalent against Congis, but con media successfully managed to dilute this by running parallel story of Karkare being killed due to his investigation of "Hindu terror"

Result we all have seen, Islamic vote bank voted en-masse to bring UPA back in 2009, while confused Hindus bought the story of 'hindu terror" & remained undecided.
What NaMo is doing, he is trying to consolidate this undecided secular Hindu votes in addition to BJPs traditional base.

If, god forbid, NaMo is assassinated, Congis & NIA will waste no time in finding some disgruntled "RSS/Hindutva" scapegoat & lock him up as an accomplish....CON party & Manio have mastered this art, they have entire MSM at their disposal to make any story credible.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 25 Apr 2013 18:44

darshhan wrote:even LKA or Kalyan Singh never faced such threats.

The relentless demonisation by anti Hindu/anti Dharmic cult is responsible for this situation. They can never accept a Dharmic as PM.
.

Actually LKA faced bigger threats, remember Coimbatore? He was on Dawoods radar, and he was not even in power and depended on COngress completely for security (thank god for PVNR). What happened after 92 was a long and hard attack on Advani, continuing in the Hawala attacks etc.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 25 Apr 2013 18:47

There will be retaliatory assassination if such a thing is attempted. Do not underestimate the public anger. Enough said.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 25 Apr 2013 18:50

Altair wrote:There will be retaliatory assassination if such a thing is attempted. Do not underestimate the public anger. Enough said.

Public anger will be channelized into self destructive purposes.

Vipin_Upadhyay · Post by **Vipin_Upadhyay** » 25 Apr 2013 18:54

Altair wrote:There will be retaliatory assassination if such a thing is attempted. Do not underestimate the public anger. Enough said.

saar, but question still remains the same -- what if NIA "finds" that NaMo assassination was carried out by a disgruntled "RSS" cadre who was very angry due to NaMo going "soft' on Hindutva etc. etc. & whole media beams this "fact" 24x7.

Do you still believe that people "perception" cannot be managed. They have already tried this after 26/11 & Karkare story.

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 25 Apr 2013 18:59

Vipin_Upadhyay wrote:
darshhan wrote:
Having said that I can also guarantee that in case of something happening to Namo, a civil war type situation will arise in Bharat sooner or later.

I disagree.

Assassination of NaMo will only help CON party & their leftist cheerleaders in media to eliminate Nationalism from India for the time being.

Vipin Ji, That is why used the phrase " sooner or later ". I know things will not happen immediately. But anger will grow and the realisation will set in that majority of Indians have been rendered deliberately pacifist and thoroughly demilitarized by congress for their own nefarious purposes. Plus they will become aware that Congress will never allow a true Dharmic and Hindu to rule Bharat. Once this self realisation will set in, the clock will start ticking for Congressis.

Earlier also Dharmic leaders have been murdered by Congressis in a manner most foul. Eg. Deen Dayal Upadhyaya, Dr.S.P.Mukherjee and maybe even Lal Bahadur Shashtri.

But this time(god forbid if it happens) it would be different.

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 25 Apr 2013 19:04

Sanku wrote:
darshhan wrote:even LKA or Kalyan Singh never faced such threats.

The relentless demonisation by anti Hindu/anti Dharmic cult is responsible for this situation. They can never accept a Dharmic as PM.
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Actually LKA faced bigger threats, remember Coimbatore? He was on Dawoods radar, and he was not even in power and depended on COngress completely for security (thank god for PVNR). What happened after 92 was a long and hard attack on Advani, continuing in the Hawala attacks etc.

Sanku ji, There is a difference though. LKA was only targetted by Islamists and Dawood( as you say ).

In case of Namo, the whole ruling establishment is against him. If an attempt is ever made on his life, I (along with many others) have no doubt who will effect it. At the most islamists will be a pawn.

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 25 Apr 2013 19:07

Vipin_Upadhyay wrote: saar, but question still remains the same -- what if NIA "finds" that NaMo assassination was carried out by a disgruntled "RSS" cadre who was very angry due to NaMo going "soft' on Hindutva etc. etc. & whole media beams this "fact" 24x7.

A significant section will know the identity of the culprits, no matter what media says.

darshhan · Post by **darshhan** » 25 Apr 2013 19:17

But whatever the threat, Namo will have to brave it ( I personally feel he will brave it ). He has to lead from the front.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 25 Apr 2013 19:20

darshhan wrote:
Sanku ji, There is a difference though. LKA was only targetted by Islamists and Dawood( as you say ).

In case of Namo, the whole ruling establishment is against him. If an attempt is ever made on his life, I (along with many others) have no doubt who will effect it. At the most islamists will be a pawn.

I agree saar, but again even in the previous case, Dawood et al were finally only pawns, but yes, I agree with you.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 25 Apr 2013 19:22

darshhan wrote: Earlier also Dharmic leaders have been murdered by Congressis in a manner most foul. Eg. Deen Dayal Upadhyaya, Dr.S.P.Mukherjee and maybe even Lal Bahadur Shashtri.
.

Jai Prakash Narain?

Also many congressi's themselves who were not malleable enough

L N Mishra
Rajesh Pilot
M R Scindia

Long list.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 25 Apr 2013 21:01

What for has one invented the term "Hindu Terrorists"? Who are "Hindu Terrorists"?

These are terrorists who target Sickularists, Communists, Islamists and Christianists all at once and take revenge for acts even when one or the other has not committed it!

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 25 Apr 2013 21:33

Nothing will happne once modi is killed. Their enough people in this country to divert attention of the masses from the real issues and confuse the issue, as well.

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 25 Apr 2013 21:42

Modi will not be killed, the CON party will be wiped out if that happens. Most likely the CON party will try to check-mate him by using the Judiciary,IB,NIA,CBI and Moles within the NDA
IF India had a US style presidential election then there is absolutely no doubt that Modi would be the president, unfortunately it isn't and the caste based petty politics will ensure that Modiji will fall short of the magic number. The elevation of Modiji will ensure that BJP will better its tally of 2009, beyond that it is anybody's guess.
I think we are in for a massive klpd if we think that Modiji will sweep the polls, the presence of BJP is negligible in many major states.

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 25 Apr 2013 22:11

Re: Accidenting or Subverting NaMo, some views expressed in the past

Lilo wrote: http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 9#p1373429

So does NaMo have his inner circle of ideological successors lined up..? along with an efficient way of choosing the leader from this group so that the next leader with the full support of the rest will emerge to take up the mantle in case NaMo is accidented.

If he dies he will surely become a martyr and the nationalist cause will net a great deal of new support momentarily (and this fact could be a deterrent to his enemies - but its only upto a point ) - i rather have a leader groomed and ready to take up his mantle and prevent confusion and infighting in the ranks. The existence of such ideological successors will also reduce the chance of his elimination as an option to be considered by his enemies.

Gujarat at all costs has to remain a bastion for nationalist cause if and when resident soldouts in the dispensation decide to go for the purge.

Increasingly Dharm yuddh in current bharat has to be an effort transcending generations and because of the scale of interests arrayed in the adharmic camp, leaders have to be always prepared to pay the ultimate price ... just saying

^^

RamaY wrote: http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 0#p1373440

Amangalam pratihatamaugaaka!

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 25 Apr 2013 23:29

Love purush is always ready to take over

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 26 Apr 2013 02:59

No evidence that Narendra Modi incited rioters or pressured police: SIT

The lawyer of the Supreme Court-appointed SIT, which has given a clean chit to Gujarat Chief Minister Narendra Modi in 2002 post-Godhra riots case after investigating complaint filed by Zakia Jafri, today said that "Modi has never said that go and kill people".

Opposing the protest petition filed by Jafri against SIT's closure report, its lawyer R S Jamuar said, "(social activist) Teesta Setalvad and others have falsified the complaint targeting chief minister who had never said that go and kill people."

During the second day of arguments, SIT lawyer targeted Setalvad, who has taken up the cause of riot victims, and who is helping Zakia, whose husband, Congress MP Ehsan Jafri, was killed in the riots.

Dubbing Setalvad as the sole 'writer' of 'fictitious' complaint against Modi and others, advocate Jamuar said: "The so-called incident of CM giving instructions to high-level police officers not to take action against the rioters is a sole creation of Teesta Setalvad. There is no evidence."
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Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 26 Apr 2013 03:04

This Obese Setalvad madam will flee the country, most likely to Saudi Barbaria or Pakistan on the eve of the declaration of election results. Madamji needs to be embroiled in multiple court cases and put on an exit control list. Arun Jaitley ji will you please do the needful, perhaps Mahesh Jethmalani can do it?

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 26 Apr 2013 03:06

Is this the issue that Madhu Kisawar was tweeting about? The incorrect case by Teesta against Modi which is their forlorn hope?

Manish_Sharma · Post by **Manish_Sharma** » 26 Apr 2013 03:32

Mahendra wrote:The elevation of Modiji will ensure that BJP will better its tally of 2009, beyond that it is anybody's guess.
I think we are in for a massive klpd if we think that Modiji will sweep the polls, the presence of BJP is negligible in many major states.

Under Modi ji, UP can even yield 45+ seats, see for many years UCs voting half-heartedly to anyone (maya or mulayam) they see more chances of coming to power since fall of BJP. But now Kalyan Singh ji is back with 10% kurmi votes, and one rally - just one rally by Shri Modi will charge up UCs like anything. Some of my friends from meerut - muzaffarpur belt are saying 95% UCs will vote for BJP even those who are in other parties.

Don't know about Bihar though........

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 26 Apr 2013 05:30

See the enthusiasm in Kerala.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 26 Apr 2013 05:34

Cong cancels plan to show black flags to Modi

http://zeenews.india.com/news/uttarakha ... 44756.html

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 26 Apr 2013 07:13

Sushupti wrote:See the enthusiasm in Kerala.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=18 ... =2&theater

Ranga Khush Moment

Paap Ka Naash.
Ranga Khush Khush Khush Khush!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5NX6Pi7zhY

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 26 Apr 2013 07:52

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 26 Apr 2013 08:17

Sushupti wrote:See the enthusiasm in Kerala.

[youtube]9DFMgt9ik_U[youtube]

It always an interesting scenario.

The desadrohis always chant AoA or Congress Ki jai or Person Ki jai or Kashmir Ki jai or Mao ki jai and so on and carry all kinds of colored flags. This indicates the seclusive and divisive mindset of these dark forces

On the other hand the nationalists chant Bharat Mataki jai or Vande Mataram and carry the national flag. This indicates the unionist and inclusive mindset (when Baratamata is hailed doesn't it include the minorities? When the national flag is raised doesn't it include the minorities?)

Yet some dhimmis call the Hindu nationalist forces polarizing and not inclusive. It shows their own unpatriotic prejudices.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 26 Apr 2013 08:48

RamaY wrote:
Sushupti wrote:See the enthusiasm in Kerala.
It always an interesting scenario.
The desadrohis always chant AoA or Congress Ki jai or Person Ki jai or Kashmir Ki jai or Mao ki jai and so on and carry all kinds of colored flags. This indicates the seclusive and divisive mindset of these dark forcesOn the other hand the nationalists chant Bharat Mataki jai or Vande Mataram and carry the national flag. This indicates the unionist and inclusive mindset (when Baratamata is hailed doesn't it include the minorities? When the national flag is raised doesn't it include the minorities?)Yet some dhimmis call the Hindu nationalist forces polarizing and not inclusive. It shows their own unpatriotic prejudices.

Some Fuddus still ask what unites Billion Indian! Variety in Bhasha, Khaana, Pehnana etc but all naturally attuned , communicating with the same mental ELF which must remain Civiizational Sekret.

Hazrat Modi have figured this out whil RNIs are preparing for Hijra to their Spitting Holes.
Wonder how is Rust Purush Doing after watching this kind of Welcome reception.

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 26 Apr 2013 09:12

Sushupti wrote:See the enthusiasm in Kerala.

Burnol and Ringgaurd moments. What freaks commies and congis alike are:
1. None of these folks were ferried with a promise of Rs. 500+Biryani packet+Liquor bottle.
2. By seeing the crowd, it seems they are a mix of middle class and lower class, so Bharth is awakening.

One may argue that, even after 26/11 Mumbaikars voted for Congress. They have voted for Congress or not shown for voting because, they know even with their voting they cannot move even a blade of grass. But once they see a doer and committed leader like NaMo, they will vote, because they can expect some good things in this Banana republic.

My bet is that if NaMo is declared as PM candidate, the voting margins will swell and we may see equaling or surpassing Rajiv's stint of 1984 2/3 majority.

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 26 Apr 2013 09:22

Seen on teetar:

Teesta Setalvad getting a Rajiv Gandhi Sadbhavana Award in 2002:

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 26 Apr 2013 09:25

Mahendra wrote:Love purush is always ready to take over

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 26 Apr 2013 10:07

Rahul M wrote:
Mahendra wrote:Love purush is always ready to take over

MahaEndriya
Prem Ke Pujari
Phul Hum Kroro Magar Khusbu Ek Hamari
Modi proves it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCXqsem-JrM

Vipin_Upadhyay · Post by **Vipin_Upadhyay** » 26 Apr 2013 10:19

Today NaMo is giving Speech in Haridwar.

below link is for live telecast on Youtube. Event starts in next 20 minutes.

[youtube]63K5aaa_07k&feature=g-high-lss[/youtube]

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 26 Apr 2013 10:23

^^Beat me to it. Thanks.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 26 Apr 2013 10:26

so what was modi talking about all the gurus in KL?

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 26 Apr 2013 10:34

Vipin_Upadhyay wrote:Today NaMo is giving Speech in Haridwar.

It is practically a unannounced rath yatra and outreach program.

Vipin_Upadhyay · Post by **Vipin_Upadhyay** » 26 Apr 2013 10:40

Aastha Channel is telecasting NaMo live. ladies at home can watch in daytime.

good good.

Vipin_Upadhyay · Post by **Vipin_Upadhyay** » 26 Apr 2013 10:42

Sanku wrote:
It is practically a unannounced rath yatra and outreach program.

wonder why unannounced? so far national "toll" leaders have failed to help NaMo project his journey across India. What BJP stands to gain by this. Nothing!!

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 26 Apr 2013 11:07

NaMo being projected without the others sharing his space may be deliberate on many counts. A lot of which may have nothing to do with NaMo vs. Rest.

It being unannounced may simply be to enable people to manage it the way they want to manage it, this being the year with ~13 state elections. Besides yatra is not exactly unannounced, only the nomenclature is missing.