Levant crisis - III

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 24 Dec 2016 13:27

Doloroso ‏@Pyrmha108 Dec 22
Absurdity of Daesh calling for lone wolves in Turkey - there are thousands of Daeshbags in Antep and other Turkish cities all ready to roll

Turkey Deeply ‏@TurkeyDeeply Dec 22
This photo is taken on April 16, 2014 from a hospital in Hatay #Turkey. The treated person is ISIS commander Mazen Abu Muhammed. RT

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 24 Dec 2016 13:33

two separate attacks in same location. looks like the tank had broken down and was abandoned with no ammo/fuel, so no explosion. the IFV got a glancing hit and warhead did not explode so all got out safe

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 24 Dec 2016 16:33

Bogus videos. Look at the guys milling around both hit tanks after the hits. No thought of shooting back, no worries about more missiles.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 24 Dec 2016 21:43

Except for Aleppo fall there are no signs of IS getting weaker any where, this is quite saddening ! Looks like ME is heading towards unparalleled blood & gore.

Y. Kanan · Post by **Y. Kanan** » 24 Dec 2016 22:25

UlanBatori wrote:Bogus videos. Look at the guys milling around both hit tanks after the hits. No thought of shooting back, no worries about more missiles.

Those two missiles were both fired some minutes apart (smoke from first hit has completely cleared when 2nd missile is fired). And those guys aren't milling around after that 2nd hit - they're pouring out of their IFV after it just took a hit, no doubt to seek better cover. Neither hit appeared to have killed anyone, btw. Though both the tank and IFV were probably damaged (but not completely destroyed).

Looks like the Turks got off easy in that exchange.

LokeshC · Post by **LokeshC** » 24 Dec 2016 22:38

Al Bab, east Allepo executions prove one thing. Once you catch them, you dont hold them.

Next time those green busses need to be green acid vats to dissolve the pieces.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 24 Dec 2016 23:52

The battle for al-Bab, a scene of intense fighting between Daesh and Turkish troops, is close to an end, President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said (read-Turkey surrenders Al Bab to IS & will focus on Kurds onlee). Defense analyst Koray Gurbuz told Sputnik that Washington has indirectly put a spoke in Ankara's wheel since the US-led coalition does not prevent terrorists from moving to the Syrian city

"Perhaps, this is why the operation in Mosul has become sluggish. Essentially Daesh have been given an opportunity to redeploy its fighters from Iraq to Syria. This is taking place through areas which are controlled by the US-led international coalition. As a result, the United States has complicated the operation to free al-Bab by turning a blind eye on Daesh's movement," he explained.

https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/2016 ... ey-al-bab/

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 24 Dec 2016 23:54

Syrian rebels backed by Turkish warplanes killed 68 Islamic State militants in northern Syria overnight, the Turkish military said on Saturday, as intense fighting around the town of al-Bab continued.

Rebels supported by Turkish troops have laid siege to the Islamic State-held town for weeks under the "Euphrates Shield" operation launched by Turkey nearly four months ago to sweep the Sunni hardliners and Kurdish fighters from its Syrian border.

Reuters

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 25 Dec 2016 00:36

This is new..just west of al bab

Kurd perwer ‏@perwer_kurd
Breaking: ISIS claims to have captured 3 Turkish soldiers&seized 4 tanks in aqil mountains today #AlBab #firatkalkanı Bab #EuphratesShield

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 25 Dec 2016 00:39

With a $100 monthly pay they got the tier3 fsa monkeys who all melted away exposing the turkish recce and armour units behind them.

Will need to get oot of playing khan socom and use a proper division with logistics to take al bab...fsa monkeys wont hack it no more

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 25 Dec 2016 00:43

Hassan Ridha ‏@sayed_ridha
AKP deputy chairman of Çankaya district Yılmaz Bulut died after being shot yesterday in Ankara http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/ak-partili-b ... i-40316099 …

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 25 Dec 2016 05:48

Those two missiles were both fired some minutes apart (smoke from first hit has completely cleared when 2nd missile is fired). And those guys aren't milling around after that 2nd hit - they're pouring out of their IFV after it just took a hit, no doubt to seek better cover.

Seems like exactly the thing one would do in war, hain? Two tanks parked on a barren hilltop, no cover, in direct line of sight to the slopes around. No one on watch even.

First ATGM scores a direct hit on tank 1. People run for cover after the fact.

Then they come back. A whole lot of them piled inside the second tank. Sit around for several minutes buggering each other (what else were they doing all that time inside a tank?) The tank moves a bit to be in better position for exposure to the hillside from where the first ATGM came.

Second ATGM "hits". Nice flash and all. Ppl now come out of the tank. No particular hurry to go to cover. Show is over, they know there are no more mijjiles coming.

Oh, and BTW, neither tank had any ammo or fuel to burn. The second tank was moving on Djinn Power.

Oh, yes, ABSOLUTELY credible for the behavior of soldiers in a war.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 25 Dec 2016 07:44

Resume if abdulrazzak tlass now a proud french asylum holder

https://mobile.twitter.com/maytham956/s ... 5107734528

Per maytham there are 100s of such terrorists inside the refugee tide to europe

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 25 Dec 2016 07:49

Masdar

BEIRUT, LEBANON (9:50 P.M.) - The so-called "Islamic State of Iraq and Al-Sham" (ISIS) transferred a large number of fighters from Al-Bab City in eastern Aleppo to the Deir Ezzor Governorate, a military source informed Al-Masdar on Saturday morning.

ISIS is expected to launch a massive offensive in the Deir Ezzor Governorate to kick-off the new year and close the gap on the remaining Syrian Arab Army (SAA) soldiers that are besieged inside this province located in eastern Syria.

For the Syrian Arab Army units in Deir Ezzor, this Islamic State offensive could not come at a worse time, due to the fact that they are still trying to recover the territory they lost to the terrorist forces in the eastern countryside of the Homs Governorate.

While the Syrian Arab Army is not experiencing any manpower shortages in Deir Ezzor, they are still full encircled without any outlet to retreat or receive necessary provisions.

If the Syrian Arab Army can manage to repel this offensive in Deir Ezzor, they will alleviate a lot of pressure on their forces operating in eastern Homs.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 25 Dec 2016 07:50

So it looks like turks have given up on al bab for now ecept bombing it from the air

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 25 Dec 2016 08:44

маяковский ‏@moscow_ghost
George Clooney working on a movie inspired by the White Helmets Netflix fiction and 5 years of #Syria propaganda

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 25 Dec 2016 08:47

Perhaps the camera crew showed up after the vehicles were hit and burned....so missiles fired again at the hulks
People inside ifv may have been trying to shelter from the cold and icy wind.

Anant · Post by **Anant** » 25 Dec 2016 12:29

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yahoo. ... oid-att-us

Rishi Verma · Post by **Rishi Verma** » 25 Dec 2016 13:13

Russian Military Plane Bound for Syria Crashes with 92 On-board

"On board are the artists of the Academic Song and Dance Ensemble of the Alexandrov, who were supposed to perform at Hmeymim airfield with a Christmas concert" - a spokesman of the emergency services told TASS. Hmeymim Air Base is a Russain air base southeast of Latakya city in Syria.

Nine journalists were among the passengers, according to the Interfax news agency.

Now CT and counter-CT will fly

Y. Kanan · Post by **Y. Kanan** » 25 Dec 2016 13:38

UlanBatori wrote:
Those two missiles were both fired some minutes apart (smoke from first hit has completely cleared when 2nd missile is fired). And those guys aren't milling around after that 2nd hit - they're pouring out of their IFV after it just took a hit, no doubt to seek better cover.
Seems like exactly the thing one would do in war, hain? Two tanks parked on a barren hilltop, no cover, in direct line of sight to the slopes around. No one on watch even.

First ATGM scores a direct hit on tank 1. People run for cover after the fact.

Then they come back. A whole lot of them piled inside the second tank. Sit around for several minutes buggering each other (what else were they doing all that time inside a tank?) The tank moves a bit to be in better position for exposure to the hillside from where the first ATGM came.

Second ATGM "hits". Nice flash and all. Ppl now come out of the tank. No particular hurry to go to cover. Show is over, they know there are no more mijjiles coming.

Oh, and BTW, neither tank had any ammo or fuel to burn. The second tank was moving on Djinn Power.

Oh, yes, ABSOLUTELY credible for the behavior of soldiers in a war.

So Turkish troops (or at least that unit) are apparently sloppy. It's hard to pinpoint the source of an AT missile launch from 1-2 kilometers away, especially with inexperienced or undisciplined troops. They guys filming these vids do it with extreme zoom lenses. The Turks failed to figure out where the first shot came from. This vid is no different from countless similar vids we've all seen from Houthis in Yemen, rebels in Syria, etc.

Not everything is a conspiracy you know.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 25 Dec 2016 13:44

Singha wrote:маяковский ‏@moscow_ghost
George Clooney working on a movie inspired by the White Helmets Netflix fiction and 5 years of #Syria propaganda

Not Surprising , Clooney was supporter of HRC/Obama and provided funds to them for election

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 25 Dec 2016 14:30

[/quote]This vid is no different from countless similar vids we've all seen from Houthis in Yemen, rebels in Syria, etc. Not everything is a conspiracy you know.[/quote]

No, just a certainty of Bogusstan. Special effects YouTube Videos is a specialized bijnej. Probably only 2 or 3 top outfits: The Flee Syrian/CIA Videos Inc and the Iranian one. Overall, the Iranian one is more honest in that they let the reader figure out it is 400% fake. Turkish military may be sloppy, but faced with a hidden missile launcher, no adult is going to be milling around.

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 25 Dec 2016 15:17

Singha wrote:With a $100 monthly pay they got the tier3 fsa monkeys who all melted away exposing the turkish recce and armour units behind them.

Will need to get oot of playing khan socom and use a proper division with logistics to take al bab...fsa monkeys wont hack it no more

who would be making this commitment of division with proper logistics? serious question......

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 25 Dec 2016 15:32

fake news site about syria gins up nuclear threat from.........wait for it........Pakeestan.........yup. via a tweet.....

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/24/world ... .html?_r=0

lies can start wars.......

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/adw-news/

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 25 Dec 2016 15:57

>> who would be making this commitment of division with proper logistics? serious question......

the sultan ofcourse, master and commander of the 2nd largest nato army with 2000 tanks. I meant turkey tried the khan socom approach of being advisers and minimal boots on ground and failed, now they need to man up and put some shoulder to the wheel or give up al-bab as a lost cause.

TSJones · Post by **TSJones** » 25 Dec 2016 16:27

I have no facts to back it up but my feeling is that when comes to power projection, these guys are over rated.

of course defending their homeland would be a different matter......

islamics of any stripe are really tough on civilians but when it comes to going against fully equipped, hard trained armies........not so tough.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 25 Dec 2016 16:37

and army which is radicalized on Islamic line (Paki army) behave same way : As an evidence 90000 soldiers threw towel in and surrendered in 1971 to Indian army. ^

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 25 Dec 2016 16:45

Aleppo celebrates Christmas,

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 25 Dec 2016 20:06

Barbarossa ‏@BarbarossaKaya 5h5 hours ago
Barbarossa Retweeted Barbarossa
It was revealed that murderer of Russian ambassador was a follower of this salafi, Al-Nusra affiliated, Pro Erdogan imam Nurettin Yildiz.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 25 Dec 2016 20:09

well it seems turkiye is throwing in some meat into the problem. its only some 20km from their own border , spanned by uncontested territory with cowed down kurds and arabs and friendly turkoman resettlers so not a big power projection problem.

agitpapa ‏@agitpapa 5h5 hours ago
+ bloody battle w PKK @ Çele (Çukurca). 4th bde commanded by Major Bülent Albayrak arrived midnight, lost 9 KIA, failed 2 take hospital.

agitpapa ‏@agitpapa 5h5 hours ago
+battalion 4 the meat grinder from the Kayseri SOF bde that got VBIEDd in Kayseri & massacred in Al Bab. Battalion just got back from +
1 reply 2 retweets 0 likes

agitpapa ‏@agitpapa 5h5 hours ago
Nutty Turks are tweeting they demolished ISIS & took Al Bab. In fact new reinforcements on the way just to retake the hospital. 1 more +

reports say the IS have regained the hospital and jabal aqil heights which overlook town (thats where they bagged the leopards)

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 25 Dec 2016 20:18

the kayseri VBIED thing was the PKK bombing a bus of off-duty SOF near their base.

its not so well known the PKK are also using SVBIED. here is one from earlier

good footage of a turk mil drill incl hellfires and the first time I actually see the guidance wire of a HWT as it goes out

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 25 Dec 2016 21:34

To fight the kind of war being in Syria, you need an infantry heavy army like India. Which also has heft in conventional warfare and support wide scale operations with artillery and armor.

As an aside, looking at what ISIS has been doing in Syria, the way they fight, ruthlessness and ingenuity, one can only imagine what all IA did and way it adapted itself to wipe out terrorism in Valley.

From a civilizational stand-point - I think our large population base ensured we were able to absorb Islamic invasions and massacres and still have have the numbers to sustain ourselves as Hindus and a civilization. Same holds today as well - Indian Army can raise few divisions worth of troops in less than a year!

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 25 Dec 2016 22:21

Singha wrote:Barbarossa ‏@BarbarossaKaya 5h5 hours ago
Barbarossa Retweeted Barbarossa
It was revealed that murderer of Russian ambassador was a follower of this salafi, Al-Nusra affiliated, Pro Erdogan imam Nurettin Yildiz.

Hasan Sari ‏@HasanSari7
REVEALED:
The Killer of Russian Ambassador in #Turkey travelled to #Qatar 5 times (w/Qatar Airways) since attempted coup in July15, 2016

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 25 Dec 2016 22:23

Yildizji is a akp affiliated sarkari demagogue. He has given speeches asking gulenists be hacked to death and limbs cut off.

Obviously his views on shias and unbelievers will not be rosy

habal · Post by **habal** » 25 Dec 2016 22:40

Singha wrote:
Singha wrote:Barbarossa ‏@BarbarossaKaya 5h5 hours ago
Barbarossa Retweeted Barbarossa
It was revealed that murderer of Russian ambassador was a follower of this salafi, Al-Nusra affiliated, Pro Erdogan imam Nurettin Yildiz.

Hasan Sari ‏@HasanSari7
REVEALED:
The Killer of Russian Ambassador in #Turkey travelled to #Qatar 5 times (w/Qatar Airways) since attempted coup in July15, 2016

qatar -> muslim brotherhood -> airline bomb in egypt -> turkish assasin visits qatar

Qatari Foreign Minister Sheikh Mohammed bin Abdulrahman al-Thani told Reuters in an interview on Sunday that Doha would continue to arm Syrian militant groups even if US President-elect Donald Trump were to end Washington’s support for them.

http://english.almanar.com.lb/115828

Lilo · Post by **Lilo** » 25 Dec 2016 22:46

Who or what is behind the Qatari overreach in ME ?
IMO it's a recent phenomenon from 2010 or so - pretentions were visible since Al-jazeera strode onto the world stage covering Arab "spring".

Edit: Thanks for the pointer Singhaji
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Singha · Post by **Singha** » 25 Dec 2016 23:10

they have UK backing I think. and a massive USA military presence
hence proxy for these govts

lot of details here.
https://southfront.org/us-military-pres ... d-airbase/

it is a hedge against the saudis & iraq acting tough on basing rights. so Thumrait in Oman and Al-Udeid in Qatar are the major amrikan bases in that region.

Y. Kanan · Post by **Y. Kanan** » 25 Dec 2016 23:20

Singha wrote:the kayseri VBIED thing was the PKK bombing a bus of off-duty SOF near their base.

its not so well known the PKK are also using SVBIED. here is one from earlier

Interesting. I didn't think the Kurds had it in them. If they have now mastered the art of suicide bomber production, which requires a high level of brainwashing, the Kurds might have become a real nightmare for the Turks. This will turn Erdogan's current anti-Kurd campaign into a genuine quagmire, far worse than any of the campaigns from decades past. It also means the Kurds are transforming into true Islamists, casting doubt on the notion of supporting a Kurdish state.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 25 Dec 2016 23:42

afaik PKK has done it selectively, but not the YPG or Peshmerga.

turkey does not have the manpower to fight a indian style COIN campaign in a area far larger 5X than kashmir valley. isolated outposts and the convoys to them are routine prey in countryside, apart from suicide attacks or car bombs in the towns.

suicidal attack is not a islamic invention though - at various points in time has been seen everywhere from the rajput "shaka" to banzai on saipan to 14yo german boys with panzerfausts having a go at american armour.....so kurds can use it but still not drop into islamofascism.

PKK seems more rural and fiercer / mountaineer than the more urbanized syrian and iraqi kurds...they dress in traditional pyjamas and are at home in the forests and mountains. in that they are a continuation of the afghani tribes & houthis in being a PITA in the mountains...

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 25 Dec 2016 23:44

also I have developed a low opinion of the shiny new western styled MRAP vehicles - they invariably seem to be torn to pieces - anyone who stages a ambush is not going to piss around with a 5kg mine, they are going to use 50-100kg charge that will take out a MBT let alone a puny MRAP that costs $1 million but is little better than a BMP in protection.