Bharat Rakshak

Well movie series Libration is a good movies and an example of how war movies are to be made. I watched thise in India. There was this theater which showed such films on Special Sunday morning shows.

Sirin,
Soviet Storm is oversimplified.

Operation Bagration real footages.

200 Indians have come to take part of strategic West-2021 exercises in West Russia:


India will assist Russia in the development of the Northern Sea Route (NSR) and the transformation of the NSR into an international trade route, Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi said, speaking via video link at the plenary session of the Eastern Economic Forum.

Night tank battles of WW2. Means for defeating the enemy's infra-red sensors. \English subtitles\

One thing I like about Soviet Storm is that it does not shy away in Russian casualties/defeats.

Thakur_B wrote:One thing I like about Soviet Storm is that it does not shy away in Russian casualties/defeats.

All must be seen in proportion: in 1944 the roles were changed, and German losses started to grow up to 10:1 if including here Home Guard. The ratio of combat losses naturally follows from the ratio of the firepower of the sides, including the firepower of aviation, artillery, tanks and the infantry proper, and in 1944 this ratio became completely in favor of the Russians. This is a reconstruction movie of Konigsberg liberation, they also discuss the question of losses rate .

Indian troops in West-2021 military exercises. Starting at 2:25.

Representatives of the armed forces of China, Vietnam and Myanmar have been invited to the exercise as observers. The armed forces of Uzbekistan, Pakistan and Sri Lanka will be represented at the exercises by operational teams of officers as part of the exercise headquarters. And the units of the armed forces of Armenia, Belarus, India, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Mongolia will take part in joint practical actions at the training grounds as part of the West-2021 exercise.

Practical actions of troops is taking place from 10 to 16 September at nine training grounds located in Russia, in the Baltic Sea, as well as at five training grounds of the armed forces of Belarus.

In total, up to 200 thousand personnel, about 80 aircraft and helicopters, up to 760 units of military vehicles, including 290 tanks, 240 guns, multiple launch rocket systems and mortars, as well as up to 15 ships will take part in the exercises.

Preparation for the main stage of the exercises: maps of the international military-strategic situation and the work of the headquarters.

India IN, China OUT in Russia’s important military drill. The message is clear
https://tfiglobalnews.com/2021/09/11/in ... -is-clear/
11 Sept 2021

Regarding Zapad: this is a humdinger of an exercise, with reports of about 200,000 personnel participating across the three Russian services plus other countries (for Zapad) as Igorr points out above. In comparison, large Army level exercises in India (Shakti series) are at most about 60-70k personnel, and involve one corps plus.

Another very very important development is that India-Russia logistics agreement looks like it has been expedited and will be signed later this year:
India, Russia Defense Logistics Pact Likely by Year-end note that this was published in July 2021, when it was very clear that Afghan Army was collapsing.

Why is the logistic pact so important? If India wants to station a large contingent of Army/Air Force in Tajikistan, then the logistics of sustaining the presence will become the biggest constraint. With the large amount of Russian origin equipment in use, it becomes a lot simpler if Russia supplies the spares and weapons to maintain the presence at a high order of readiness, without having to rely on a long and politically tenuous line of communication through Iran and the other Stans.

SCO military exercises in Russia (on 3:40):

I think morons in DC should take India's help to bridge differences with Russia and join forces with them.

vijayk wrote:I think morons in DC should take India's help to bridge differences with Russia and join forces with them.

They fear India will take the US's role as the World democracy leader.

Igorr wrote:

vijayk wrote:I think morons in DC should take India's help to bridge differences with Russia and join forces with them.

They fear India will take the US's role as the World democracy leader.

In the region India is likely to displace the US increasingly as a net security provider

kit wrote:

Igorr wrote: They fear India will take the US's role as the World democracy leader.

In the region India is likely to displace the US increasingly as a net security provider

Agree. India - is a future superpower. There is no doubt that India only benefits from the US rivalry with China especially if the US assumes the main costs of such rivalry India's road up will be open. It reminds me a little bit the replacement of Great Britain on the arena by its ally America as a result of two world wars. Chanakian wise and Arthashastra knowing will give India the victory in this game without big wars I think for good of all Mankind.

Igorr wrote:

kit wrote:
In the region India is likely to displace the US increasingly as a net security provider

Agree. India - is a future superpower. There is no doubt that India only benefits from the US rivalry with China especially if the US assumes the main costs of such rivalry India's road up will be open. I..... for good of all Mankind.

If India continues with imports - it will not be a power, leave alone a superpower. No Superpower has been good for all mankind and neither will India be such if it ever becomes a superpower.

With a procurement system infiltrated by foreign vendors (Russia, France and others) there is no possibility of India emerging as an entity capable of projecting power beyond its shores. Only once India has a flourishing defence MIC will it be able to be a power capable of sovereign foreign policy. Modi has done well in implementing an aggressive policy but to execute it, he needs the armed forces to be more capable i.e. IAF to have 42+ squadrons instead of the current sharply falling numbers and heavy reliance on obsolete Mig 21 bisons and Jaguars. The IA's artillery and armored vehicles need can be met from domestic sources - but the IA continues to rely on imports.

Vivek K wrote: With a procurement system infiltrated by foreign vendors (Russia, France and others) there is no possibility of India emerging as an entity capable of projecting power beyond its shores. ...

What to do? Western powers do not want to share the most advanced technologies with India, and India is not good at developing technologies on its own or stealing, like China.

Igorr wrote:

Vivek K wrote: With a procurement system infiltrated by foreign vendors (Russia, France and others) there is no possibility of India emerging as an entity capable of projecting power beyond its shores. ...

What to do? Western powers do not want to share the most advanced technologies with India, and India is not good at developing technologies on its own or stealing, like China.

India is fairly well ahead on its path to developing its own technologies, you are mistaken if you think we aren't good at them. Please take a look sometime at Indian system upgrades. We are doing more and more inhouse. Bar aero-engines and nuclear propulsion for instance, there is now little we look outside for. In terms of platforms we are yet to make our own transports but even those will arrive. The S-400 etc are but the last deals if India funds it's own MIC.

Vivek K wrote:

Igorr wrote: Agree. India - is a future superpower. There is no doubt that India only benefits from the US rivalry with China especially if the US assumes the main costs of such rivalry India's road up will be open. I..... for good of all Mankind.

If India continues with imports - it will not be a power, leave alone a superpower. No Superpower has been good for all mankind and neither will India be such if it ever becomes a superpower.

With a procurement system infiltrated by foreign vendors (Russia, France and others) there is no possibility of India emerging as an entity capable of projecting power beyond its shores. Only once India has a flourishing defence MIC will it be able to be a power capable of sovereign foreign policy. Modi has done well in implementing an aggressive policy but to execute it, he needs the armed forces to be more capable i.e. IAF to have 42+ squadrons instead of the current sharply falling numbers and heavy reliance on obsolete Mig 21 bisons and Jaguars. The IA's artillery and armored vehicles need can be met from domestic sources - but the IA continues to rely on imports.

India has made huge strides in replacing imports with local gear wherever possible. If its not possible to get a Mk1 to meet service needs, a significantly localised version of an external design is being made locally. There is no need to constantly bemoan our situation.

One way or another, India, along with China, after the decline of the United States will be the only superpowers by a wide margin from their rivals. The size of the potential market cannot be overridden by anything. If not developed by national efforts, the needed technologies will be bought. See US's history.

Karan M wrote: India has made huge strides in replacing imports with local gear wherever possible. If its not possible to get a Mk1 to meet service needs, a significantly localised version of an external design is being made locally. There is no need to constantly bemoan our situation.

I wish that were accurate - how many Arjuns in service and how many on order? How many locally produced arty units (in service and on order)? How many fighter jets (in service and order) - compare domestic vs imports. And what about small arms - imports by the 100s of thousands unchecked.

Has the LCH received orders yet? LUH? More Rafales could be ordered in an instant wiping off decades of progress in aerospace.

Every country in the world prioritizes their industry and jobs over that of even the closest friend with one exception - India.

Vivek K wrote: Has the LCH received orders yet? LUH? More Rafales could be ordered in an instant wiping off decades of progress in aerospace.
Every country in the world prioritizes their industry and jobs over that of even the closest friend with one exception - India.

From your words, one can conclude that it would be best to return to the times of the embargo.

Yes, I want India to be embargoed by all the major powers. Only then might the Indian political parties may invest in the research and development required to accomplish total strategic autonomy.

Pratyush wrote:Yes, I want India to be embargoed by all the major powers. Only then might the Indian political parties may invest in the research and development required to accomplish total strategic autonomy.

That is good idea but we will take another 30 years to make next model of LCA (only technology demonstrator ). By that time West will be flying pilotless planes.

This comment is more a reflection in the confidence in the current MOD and it's project management skills than about anything else.

Russia has gone into full poodle mode
After Delhi Declaration, Russia issues own statement, with tweaks

The Delhi Declaration condemned in the strongest terms all terrorist activities and reaffirmed their firm commitment to combat terrorism in all its forms and manifestations, including its financing, the dismantling of terrorist infrastructure and countering radicalisation, “to ensure that Afghanistan would never become a safe haven for global terrorism”. The Russian statement said the sides reaffirmed their firm commitment to combating terrorism in all its forms but it did not mention “ensure that Afghanistan would never become a safe haven for global terrorism”.

The Delhi Declaration emphasised the importance of ensuring that the fundamental rights of women, children and minority communities are not violated. The Russian statement, while emphasising the importance of ensuring the rights of women, children and minorities, did not call them “fundamental” rights or that they are “not violated”.

The Delhi Declaration called for a collective cooperation against the menace of radicalization, extremism, separatism and drug trafficking in the region. The Russian statement made no mention of collective cooperation on these issues.

The Delhi Declaration said that recalling the “relevant UN Resolutions on Afghanistan”, the participants noted that the UN has a central role to play in Afghanistan and that its continued presence in the country must be “preserved”. The Russian statement said they noted that the UN plays a central role in Afghanistan and the permanent UN presence in the country must be “maintained”.

While the Delhi Declaration said they will hold the next meeting in 2022, the Russian statement did not commit to a timeframe. It said participants agreed to continue interaction on the Afghan issues within this format.

Russia dropping hints to GOI to buy S-550 missile. Russians have allocated the job to someone important close to their NSC to ensure this is sold to GOI. I have no idea what is special about S-550 perhaps others can help.

shyamd wrote:Russia dropping hints to GOI to buy S-550 missile. Russians have allocated the job to someone important close to their NSC to ensure this is sold to GOI. I have no idea what is special about S-550 perhaps others can help.

May be because they hope to create issue with hightech US weapons sale to India . Russia knows USA dont like S400-S500 sale to Bharat, Tukey etc.

It's their job to try and do hafta vasooli in return of any veto....and ours to develop our systems and say no..

^ Heh, that's an idea. India should have a domestic law that ranks weapons suppliers by how often they use the UN veto in favor of India.

ArjunPandit wrote:It's their job to try and do hafta vasooli in return of any veto....and ours to develop our systems and say no..

Chanakian Yindoos have diluted the Power or sway of possible Russian help to India by using their Veto for India by building a strategic partnership with France. India now has an alternative. So Russians will be shooting themselves in the foot if they overestimate their importance or try to take India for granted.

shyamd wrote:Russia dropping hints to GOI to buy S-550 missile. Russians have allocated the job to someone important close to their NSC to ensure this is sold to GOI. I have no idea what is special about S-550 perhaps others can help.

The s500 supposedly has a more robust ABM role vs longer ranged BM (even icbms) Also has anti satellite ability and even defence vs hypersonics. Detects, tracks and engages more targets and at longer ranges than s400.

But it's relatively new and has just started induction in Russian forces. India prefers tried and proven systems with minimal teething issues.

^never before heard of S-550.

Always S500

Some details on S550 - https://www.rbth.com/science-and-tech/3 ... 550-system

S-500 refers to the first generation of air defense systems capable of intercepting ballistic and hypersonic missiles in space. Experts suggest that the S-550 will become an intermediate version of the S-500, which will be cheaper and will perform other tactical tasks.

In addition, experts suggest that the S-550 is a version that differs in additional combat characteristics, compared to the basic S-500. It was upgraded for specific tasks and ability to hit a range of targets.

The S-500 ‘Prometheus’ is a universal long-range and high-altitude intercertion complex capable of intercepting ballistic, cruise missiles, as well as aerodynamic targets (aircraft). The damage radius of the S-500 is about 600 km. Its delivery to the military started a few months ago.

Russia starts the delivery of S-400 missile systems to India.

Russian President Vladimir Putin to visit India on December 6 for a bilateral summit with Prime Minister Narendra Modi


"The supplies of the S-400 air defence system to India have started and are proceeding on schedule," Director of the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation Dmitry Shugaev said. 14 Nov

@ani_digital 1:03 pm · 14 Nov 2021
Russia starts supplying S-400 air defence missile systems to India, first squadron to come up near Western front

Putin to visit India on Dec 6/7. Host of MOU's/Agreements to finalize procurement of military items:
-12 SU30 and 21 Mig29
-Manufacture under TOT of 6.5 Lakh AK-203 and additional numbers for exports to other countries
-Additional 6 KA-31 AEW helicopter
-460 T94 Tanks
-Logistics and Mutual military base sharing agreement
-Agreement for extending Technical/Military cooperation for 10 years from 2021 t0 2031.
-Possible signing of Nuclear submarine lease agreement.

Morons should be our calling card - 460 T-90 tanks killing our own jobs! The world has not seen such foolishness (or corruption)!!

Manish_Sharma wrote:^never before heard of S-550.

Always S500

Manish, the 550 designation is rumored to be a special offer for an upgraded version of the 500 codevrloped with India.

Considering 400km range - plotted how we can on paper cover both sides of border with 5 S-400 systems assuming all are actively working during war times...



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