India-US Strategic News and Discussion

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 20 Dec 2013 13:07

Perhaps. But she didn't quit her job didshe? She just up and left one fine day without notifying her employer. That is called AWOL in the army.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 20 Dec 2013 13:08

Raja Bose wrote:GoI's balls are being squeezed....the question is what is the decision massa wants in its favor? Is there some defense deal, some foreign policy deal, something unpopular to the voting masses, which the usually pliant MMS is refusing to do after getting routed in the recent elections and not wanting to risk it before the general elections? If the Congi government makes a display of acting tough and massa makes a show of not backing down and then still releases DK thereby giving Congi gobermint a "hard fought" victory...then what is it that massa is expecting in return under the table? I am getting curious.

Communal Violence Bill and AP-Telangana Bill are the only ones this winter session that UPA intends to put in LS. I heard that UPA only wants to debate the CVB as it doesnt have the numbers to get it passed. The plan is to use CVB in coming General Elections to attract minority vote bank. It may be a suspect but I dont think this is a smoking gun. Lets just put this CVB in watch list as of now.
Telangana bill is the other one but I dont see how it can be connected.
Any major defence deals would be done during next Government and these things take a lot of time. I dont see how a time sensitive operation done here can be related.

The outcome here has been there is a wedge between US and India.
Either this has been done as a Preventive action or a Corrective action.
1. Is this a Preventive action? What is it preventing?
Theory-1: UPA was about to make Budha smile and USG came to know and is trying to show how the future would look.
Theory-2: India did increase imports from Iran post the US deal recently. There could more going on between India and Iran and Obama was not too happy. This could be a warning to GoI to stay away from Iran
Theory-3: India's plans for intervention in Bangladesh and support to Hasina is being seen as a blocker to US plans. This is a pre-emptive move.
Any more possible theories?
2. Could this have been a Corrective action? Something already went wrong and these are the steps to put things back or limit damage.
1. India getting Vikramaditya and able to put a CBG together in 2014 is a threat to US interests.
This is the best I can come up with:

2. ISRO's Mangalyan will discover "face on mars" and "civilization remains" which India plans to expose to the world. India initially agreed not to expose but later said screw'em!!

ashish raval · Post by **ashish raval** » 20 Dec 2013 13:09

You can quit your job after returning to India not use indian official channels to get into a nation and becoming a clandestine. Have to face justice for breaking that rule. People like this gives Indians who go legally and settle abroad a very bad name as west has to generalise population behaviour because it suits their agenda of maligning everyone else.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 20 Dec 2013 13:09

Dipanker wrote:
chaanakya wrote:

That is the point. She had no choice as per her official passport and terms of employment legally. So what she has done is patently wrong and in addition blackmail and threat etc. Now USA is a party to this charade as well. If she had gone on personal passport then it is a different issue.

So basically she is slave labor? Now I can fully understand why the Indian consul is being prosecuted.
And why the Indian diplomats are morons if they have system like this.

It is not a question of slave labour. She had choice of not coming to USA on official passport. Perhaps she planned it well in advance as per some reports. And one would be naive to think that this is the reason why DK is being prosecuted.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 20 Dec 2013 13:10

Prasad wrote:So Nirupama Rao, our former ambassador the us tweeted a few points. One of them being
Second: since she was an accredited diplomat, Embassy should have been informed about impending move to arrest her. Stealth was ill advised.
Violation of vienna regs?

From Nirupama Rao: She is a an accredited diplomat -> means she officially has the sanction to represent india for negotiations & discussions . She is not a consul. Explains why Amreeki chose her.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 20 Dec 2013 13:11

SSridhar wrote:
Dipanker, no employment contract gives complete freedom for either party to do as they please. There will always be some circumscriptions on both. Here, the US visa laws prevent her from leaving the job and seeking another in the open job market. It is the same as the US government itself encouraging IT Coolies or other coolies as they need. If the maid was allowed to go like that, the employer faces retribution as well. One cannot speak from both corners of the mouth.

Sridhar, I should know that I live in US! However if the the employee walks out the job the employer can not face any retribution for that. Employer can be only prosecuted for violating US employment/immigration laws.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 20 Dec 2013 13:11

Given that the US Supreme Court has given arresting officers complete discretion in whether they conduct strip searches or not;

and given that Ms. Khobragade is accused of a white collar crime, where again, the arresting authorities have considerable leeway as to how and where to hold the arrested;

this has to be seen as a deliberate attempt to humiliate Ms. Khobragade.

PS: But no need to see any grand conspiracy in this. I think US Attorney Preet Bharara is politically ambitious, politically connected to the Clintons, and probably thought humiliating and prosecuting a diplomat (even better, from the country from which he came) for "slave labor" would burnish his liberal credentials.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 20 Dec 2013 13:13

chaanakya wrote: It is not a question of slave labour. She had choice of not coming to USA on official passport. Perhaps she planned it well in advance as per some reports. And one would be naive to think that this is the reason why DK is being prosecuted.

By the same token DK also had choice of paying her the specified amount on the paper she signed?

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 20 Dec 2013 13:22

Dipanker wrote:
chaanakya wrote: It is not a question of slave labour. She had choice of not coming to USA on official passport. Perhaps she planned it well in advance as per some reports. And one would be naive to think that this is the reason why DK is being prosecuted.
By the same token DK also had choice of paying her the specified amount on the paper she signed?

You have already convicted DK? These are allegations from a lame-ass prosecutor.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 20 Dec 2013 13:24

ashish raval wrote:
This not entirely true. There is much genuine affection for India within the USA. Something we would be well advised not to pi$$ away in a H&D funk. America & Americans want to see India succeed. They are thrilled with India's rapid growth.

India needs the USA more than the USA needs us. We need get stronger before we get emotional. Cool blood please...
Haha this is a joke ! Americans love nobody in the world not even Brits. They helped everyone everyone in world wars because they knew if they did not they will be burned down to ashes by Germany once everyone else is done and dusted with. Off late they have policy of arm twisting non nuclear nations to its way.

Let me tell you plain and simple here. India does not need us of a. It never needed it in the past and it will not need it in future. They need us for only one thing --> harvesting souls for evangelicals, nothing else. Give me one reason why would they want us to succeed let alone anyone else. Give me one example in the world where a manager has lover when his employee becomes his manager. It is virtually impossible to find anywhere. You will see this in twenty years when our economy will be way over us of a and the day we will have our own passenger planes, thorium reactor, Indian version of GPS and computer chip manufacturing capacity. It in fact will not need anyone as self sufficient nation like France.

America, or for that matter any proper country, doesn't exist to fulfill India's needs. Neither does India exist to fulfill any other country's needs. If both countries collaborate, or even become friends (if two non-human entities can be termed friends) it is a business arrangement for mutual benefit. Saying India needs America is just a brain-dead way of anthropomorphizing a country and projecting an individual's needs on it: A person, call him Mr. F may feel the desperate need for some item or person G that may exist in America's purview, but that doesn't mean that Mr.F's country needs America the country, the concept itself doesn't make any sense other than in the self-centered confines of Mr. F's mind.

saumitra_j · Post by **saumitra_j** » 20 Dec 2013 13:26

Dipanker wrote:By the same token DK also had choice of paying her the specified amount on the paper she signed?

Boss, you have not said why, even assuming that DK was at fault of visa regulations, the US did not simply declare her persona non grata and asked her to move out? What was the need for strip and cavity search? What was the need for whisking away Ms Richard's family as if India is some sub Saharan nation without any justice system??
Your defense for the US is flawed. What ever be DK's fault she did not deserve to be treated as a nasty criminal. It may be there in the law, but that is where diplomacy comes in. This could have been handled much better but Uncle Sam being the biggest bully in town, they chose to use the stick in the name of law.

BTW, since you are such a believer in the US law and justice system, can you do us all poor Indians and other third world countries a small favour? Can you please use your beloved US system to sue George W Bush for war crimes in Iraq

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 20 Dec 2013 13:28

@Altair,

Actually your Theory 2 and 3 can provide India some leverage. India can say FU to Uncle Sam and start full trade with Iran and in case of Bangladesh openly come out and state that it does not support any Islamists govt. in Bangladesh.

These are definitely 2 good ways of thumbing Uncle Sam's nose.

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 20 Dec 2013 13:33

saumitra_j wrote:
Dipanker wrote:By the same token DK also had choice of paying her the specified amount on the paper she signed?
Boss, you have not said why, even assuming that DK was at fault of visa regulations, the US did not simply declare her persona non grata and asked her to move out? What was the need for strip and cavity search? What was the need for whisking away Ms Richard's family as if India is some sub Saharan nation without any justice system??
Your defense for the US is flawed. What ever be DK's fault she did not deserve to be treated as a nasty criminal. It may be there in the law, but that is where diplomacy comes in. This could have been handled much better but Uncle Sam being the biggest bully in town, they chose to use the stick in the name of law.

BTW, since you are such a believer in the US law and justice system, can you do us all poor Indians and other third world countries a small favour? Can you please use your beloved US system to sue George W Bush for war crimes in Iraq

You are totally wrong to think I am defending US here, I am defending India.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 20 Dec 2013 13:34

Dipanker wrote:
chaanakya wrote: It is not a question of slave labour. She had choice of not coming to USA on official passport. Perhaps she planned it well in advance as per some reports. And one would be naive to think that this is the reason why DK is being prosecuted.
By the same token DK also had choice of paying her the specified amount on the paper she signed?

How do you say she was not paid?? The only problem was that she was trusting of maid and did not keep receipt of all monies paid to her. Read about it somewhere in these pages. These are trumped up charges. But that is not the question here. The question is how US can violate vienna convention on consular relations. If she is guilty and to be charged , by all means do that but why violate the norms. Even for arrests Convention has prescribed due procedure which has to be followed and not some US intake process reserved for others.

Read the letter written by SR. She painted a very good picture of Dk and family in the beginning.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 20 Dec 2013 13:37

On second thoughts, the Obama admin has been under fire for its deportation policies. He is set to surpass in the sixth year of his presidency the number of deportations carried out in 8 years by the G.W. Bush administration. What better way to win back some of his liberal supporters by being willing to risk diplomatic relations to end "human trafficking"?

Dipanker · Post by **Dipanker** » 20 Dec 2013 13:39

chaanakya wrote: How do you say she was not paid?? The only problem was that she was trusting of maid and did not keep receipt of all monies paid to her. Read about it somewhere in these pages. These are trumped up charges. But that is not the question here. The question is how US can violate vienna convention on consular relations. If she is guilty and to be charged , by all means do that but why violate the norms. Even for arrests Convention has prescribed due procedure which has to be followed and not some US intake process reserved for others.

Read the letter written by SR. She painted a very good picture of Dk and family in the beginning.

Actually I can not say whether she was paid or not, that is upto the court to decide, I can only go by what is being wirtten in the press, and if India thinks US has violated Vienna convention then India should sue US in ICJ.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 20 Dec 2013 13:42

Dipanker wrote:@rohitvats
Can you please stop peddling this nonsense? Having contrary POV is one point but to argue and debate w/o checking facts is trolling.

The terms of the A-3 Visa issued to her by the US EMBASSY state that the domestic help cannot work at any other place apart from the one stated in the Visa.
I have not said that in any of my posts.

The point I have made is:

1. Sangeeta is an adult and if she likes she can quit her job.
2. When she quits her job she becomes an illegal alien in US but it is still her prerogative.

You are either missing the point or being deliberately obtuse.

Richard was allowed into America solely on the say-so and guarantee of the Indian government that she will not become an illegal alien. (I, and presumably you, when coming to America, had to spend some time convincing GotUS that we won't break the terms of our visa; some of us, when we bring our parents to US, have had to sign an affidavit that we would be responsible for all their expenses; in Richard's case, GOI stood as surety for her, in a legal sense.) If she "chooses" to do so, the entity that gave surety for her, namely GOI and also DK will be held legally responsible by the US authorities. That means GOI has to take action--such as filing an injunction, reporting her to US authorities, and trying to get her back to India and prosecuting her. If US were acting in good faith, they would have demanded that GOI take action against Sangeeta for breaking the terms of her visa, otherwise risk putting further endorsements of visas by GOI for diplomatic purposes in jeopardy.

I don't know how much you have dealt with American lawyers in contentious cases, I have and I can tell you that advising a person facing legal action to go on the offensive by finding some technical violation on the part of the party bringing the action is a typical American lawyer move. For example, in a divorce action, a spouse wanting an unfair share of the property often accuses (on lawyer's advice) the other spouse of engaging in the sexual molesting or something or the other, as a negotiating ploy--the charges will go away if more of the property is conceded.

Bharara is either lying or being stupid when he portrays the matter as GOI pursuing a vendetta against Richard. As an American lawyer he would be hip to this standard lawyer trick; if he and the US SD were acting in good faith, they would have simply informed the NGO lawyer that they know this trick, and it won't work. That would be the end of that.

GoI did go wrong in relying on the "goodwill" and "understanding" of the US about the impossibility of meeting minimum wage requirements on a government salary, instead of biting the bullet and giving its diplomats an allowance for this purpose. That said, this kind of "winking" is not uncommon in the USA--I have had experiences when, faced with a form that demands some impossible requirement or document, the clerk would tell me, "look, I didn't tell you this, but no one checks that bit, and you can just get around it in xyz way." After many years of doing this, it becomes standard practice, till one fine day someone decides I needed to be harmed, and that bringing up the mis-filling of the form is a good way to do it.

One mistake the GOI side is making in telling its story is it is couched in the language of high dudgeon, learned gentleman this, my esteemed colleague that and so on. They also seem to be making the assumption that the basic issue and the reason for pursuing Richard in Indian court is clearly understood by the average person. (They make such mistakes because they mainly communicate with fellow babus and very little with normal people)

Dipanker, I respectfully suggest you stop this endless harping on presenting the legal and ethical aspects of this case as if it were a finite deterministic program that is predictable, when in reality it is very fuzzy and there is a lot of leeway and discretion and massive politics in how a lawyer interprets the law and the system.

You were kind enough in this thread to allow that BRF has posters of above average intelligence (or something like that). I would like to return the compliment and express the hope that you are intelligent enough to get what I explained here.

As I said earlier, this is a forum for partisans of India; that means in any analysis, the benefit of the doubt must go to India, and that we must always look for ways to tip the balance on India's side by creating enough doubt about the narrative of any entity that goes up against India. I don't think you have been doing this.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 20 Dec 2013 13:45

Dipanker wrote:
chaanakya wrote: How do you say she was not paid?? The only problem was that she was trusting of maid and did not keep receipt of all monies paid to her. Read about it somewhere in these pages. These are trumped up charges. But that is not the question here. The question is how US can violate vienna convention on consular relations. If she is guilty and to be charged , by all means do that but why violate the norms. Even for arrests Convention has prescribed due procedure which has to be followed and not some US intake process reserved for others.

Read the letter written by SR. She painted a very good picture of Dk and family in the beginning.
Actually I can not say whether she was paid or not, that is upto the court to decide, I can only go by what is being wirtten in the press, and if India thinks US has violated Vienna convention then India should sue US in ICJ.

Well that's c\some forward movement for your side. Now the answer to your suggestion of sueing US is not to approach ICJ which has no jurisdiction in such matter but reciprocity. In Diplomatic relations that is what works i.e. if the country at the receiving end has some balls. And all the suggestions in this forum is for that purpose .

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 20 Dec 2013 13:48

Dipanker wrote:
You are totally wrong to think I am defending US here, I am defending India.

I can understand if it is piskological defense in true brfite tradition.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 20 Dec 2013 13:51

Dipanker wrote:
SSridhar wrote:
Dipanker, no employment contract gives complete freedom for either party to do as they please. There will always be some circumscriptions on both. Here, the US visa laws prevent her from leaving the job and seeking another in the open job market. It is the same as the US government itself encouraging IT Coolies or other coolies as they need. If the maid was allowed to go like that, the employer faces retribution as well. One cannot speak from both corners of the mouth.
Sridhar, I should know that I live in US! However if the the employee walks out the job the employer can not face any retribution for that. Employer can be only prosecuted for violating US employment/immigration laws.

I live in India and I know that Devyani had to give an 'affidavit' to the US embassy that she will bring the maid back to India, before getting her the visa. If one begins to argue in a convoluted way, one can even say that it is precisely the US that wants and endorses slave labour.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 20 Dec 2013 13:53

A_Gupta wrote:Given that the US Supreme Court has given arresting officers complete discretion in whether they conduct strip searches or not;

and given that Ms. Khobragade is accused of a white collar crime, where again, the arresting authorities have considerable leeway as to how and where to hold the arrested;

this has to be seen as a deliberate attempt to humiliate Ms. Khobragade.

PS: But no need to see any grand conspiracy in this. I think US Attorney Preet Bharara is politically ambitious, politically connected to the Clintons, and probably thought humiliating and prosecuting a diplomat (even better, from the country from which he came) for "slave labor" would burnish his liberal credentials.

I agree it is a good rule to never attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence. And John Kerry, as seen in the bomb-Syria-very-little episode, is not exactly representative of the height of competence, nor is his boss Obama.

It is still hard to believe that these people can be this stupid. Hence the need to attribute deliberate design to their actions. After all, this was all done with explicit orders from Kerry.

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 20 Dec 2013 13:53

A swift tit for tat response with similar intake procedures and the euphemism that 'the law will take its course' will immediately evoke calls for adherence to Vienna Convention, there is no 'caste' system or levels in diplomatic immunity, yada yada... Even a simple traffic violation citation of the car driver with a visit to the thana or parking tow away inconvenience will be sufficient signal to show GoI means business and is capable of piercing the VC immunity.

Else all talk of legalese, and how can you do that, does VC apply to all diplomats etc. is just foaming at the mouth. Actions speak louder than words.

Just removal of the barricades evoked a quick shiver reminding that security needs to be maintained, with the equally predictable response of 'we take security very seriously'.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 20 Dec 2013 13:55

Dipanker wrote:@rohitvats
Can you please stop peddling this nonsense? Having contrary POV is one point but to argue and debate w/o checking facts is trolling.

The terms of the A-3 Visa issued to her by the US EMBASSY state that the domestic help cannot work at any other place apart from the one stated in the Visa.
I have not said that in any of my posts.

The point I have made is:

1. Sangeeta is an adult and if she likes she can quit her job.
2. When she quits her job she becomes an illegal alien in US but it is still her prerogative.

That does not mean that the Indian diplomat will be raped on her behalf. Also she had a choce of leaving her job ane returning home. Dod the maid do so. No, instead she tried to blackmail the diplomat. For something that is not possible while still carrying an official passport.

The only lawfull option the maid had was to seek a termination of her contract. Return to India and seek a blue passport. She did not do so. That is what makes her guilty of violating indian law.

The punishment for whichis to be decided by an Indian court. The US has no authority to get in the middle of the process. Something that they did.

In so doing they are guilty of aiding and abetting human trafficking. Not the Indian diplomat.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 20 Dec 2013 13:57

RCase wrote: Even a simple traffic violation citation of the car driver with a visit to the thana . . .

The driver will be an Indian. The passengers must also be taken to the thaana and made to wait for hours for enquiry. But, frankly, some Amrican consular or even non-consular person must be trapped in a serious charge.

Also, other Indian diplomats in the US who have similarly hired servants must do something about this immediately.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 20 Dec 2013 13:58

KLNMurthy wrote: America, or for that matter any proper country, doesn't exist to fulfill India's needs. Neither does India exist to fulfill any other country's needs. If both countries collaborate, or even become friends (if two non-human entities can be termed friends) it is a business arrangement for mutual benefit. Saying India needs America is just a brain-dead way of anthropomorphizing a country and projecting an individual's needs on it: A person, call him Mr. F may feel the desperate need for some item or person G that may exist in America's purview, but that doesn't mean that Mr.F's country needs America the country, the concept itself doesn't make any sense other than in the self-centered confines of Mr. F's mind.

+108.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 20 Dec 2013 14:01

What about section 377 in context of Americans only.

WRT, the Vienna convention, it takes 2 to tango.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 20 Dec 2013 14:03

There is the new sexual harassment prevention law and there is POTA or any such non-bailable clause.

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 20 Dec 2013 14:05

SS - Driver might be Indian, but memshahib will be inconvenienced waiting in the hot sun for a few hours no? Driver can be offered chai biskoot. This will be the trailer of what the movie might be if a 'serious' charge is uncovered.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 20 Dec 2013 14:17

RCase wrote:SS - Driver might be Indian, but memshahib will be inconvenienced waiting in the hot sun for a few hours no? Driver can be offered chai biskoot. This will be the trailer of what the movie might be if a 'serious' charge is uncovered.

If "they" can plant servants, why can't "we" plant servants also, hain?

Raw agint "chikna" young driver goes to work for known gay official, and brings charges of gay sexual harassment / forced sodomy against said official, who is then hit with Sec 377 (which is not applied to chikna lad since he was unwilling victim onlee) and the rest of the IPC in dealing with rape charges. When unkil protests that it is a he said-he said situation with no objective proof, gently explain that due to recent emphasis on punishing sexual offenses (thanks to progressive light shown by none other than unkil himself) it is now the practice in india to give maximum weightage to victim's statement in such cases.

vic · Post by **vic** » 20 Dec 2013 14:17

It is not a case where Devyani lied to the Maid, the maid could have refused to go to USA with Devyani and immigrated as per law. In fact, she wanted to go to USA, reached there, became illegal and then her lawyer hit upon a brilliant idea to blackmail Devyani & get the whole family of the maid to USA.

The effective living standards of Maid in USA were higher than 50% of US polpulation and 99% of Indian population. Let calculate the benefits to the maid:-

Two Room apartment in posh locality with furniture, AC, heat, TV, cable, internet, ipad, cellphone
Food, water, electricity, metro rail pass, clothes, air fare travel tickets, visa costs,
Medical (which is very costly in USA) + Indian Rs of 30,000 per month + some USD in cash
The oppressed women had facebook account, email account, cell phone, freedom of movement and could have come back to India anytime.

All this would be money equivalent to around USD 5,000 per month in New York, USA.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 20 Dec 2013 14:19

2.35 pm: RPI activists attack American food chains over arrest of Devyani Khobragade Media reports have said that activists of the Ramdas Athawale-led Republican Party of India have attacked American food chains in Mumbai in protest against the arrest of Indian diplomat Devyani Khobragade. Reports suggested that a Dominos restaurant in Bandra was ransacked while calls were made to shut down all American restaurants.

Read more at: http://www.firstpost.com/world/devyani- ... ef_article

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 20 Dec 2013 14:19

1.20 pm: Law will take its own course, says Shinde on domestic help case Talking to reporters in New Delhi, Home Minister Sushilkumar Shinde said the government will not interfere in the case against Devyani's domestic help. "Law will take its own course," Shinde said. The Delhi Police had in October registered an FIR against Sangeeta Richard and her husband Philip Richard after a complaint by Indian diplomat Devyani Khobragade.

Read more at: http://www.firstpost.com/world/devyani- ... ef_article

rgosain · Post by **rgosain** » 20 Dec 2013 14:20

The US pharma industry has been funding a lot of workshops and political bodies, that seeks to bring India's IP protocols in line with that of the USPO and other Western models. These are the groups that should be examined carefully. Regarding Union Carbide, its successor company, Dow Chemicals should not be allowed to defend its IP in the Indian Courts as its hands are unclean.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 20 Dec 2013 14:21

Dipanker wrote:
...

You are totally wrong to think I am defending US here, I am defending India.

How are you doing that, exactly? Please to explain. I am not one of the intelligent ones you spotted on BRF.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 20 Dec 2013 14:25

RCase wrote:SS - Driver might be Indian, but memshahib will be inconvenienced waiting in the hot sun for a few hours no? Driver can be offered chai biskoot. This will be the trailer of what the movie might be if a 'serious' charge is uncovered.

Oh yeah, all that must be and can be done. But, right now, these guys would be very alert and conscious to this fact. Nothing would satisfy me more than an American consular officer being caught for some infraction of law, preferably a serious one.

arun · Post by **arun** » 20 Dec 2013 14:27

Head of the BSP, Ms. Mayawati deals out the Dalit / Scheduled Card / Untouchable card in the Devyani Khobragade case :

Devyani Khobragade is a Dalit, so Centre reacted late: Mayawati

Hitesh · Post by **Hitesh** » 20 Dec 2013 14:28

I am a NRI and I totally find Sumit Ganguly and others and his ilk despicable.

I have been fighting this on another forum but there was a particular Indian who was gleefully happy that America was taking her down because she was a "corrupted bureacrat" and I responded that he would have India surrender its sovereignty just to see her punish.

It makes me so mad and my blood boiling having to hear from these people who claim to be Indian and yet attack me because I live in America not in India and yet profess national support for India.

We need to send out an email documenting proof that the maid was not abused. Show the benefits that she got and how it adds up to be more than minimum wage and etc and send it out to all news media.

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 20 Dec 2013 14:29

Forget that. Burkha tweets that GoI has conveyed to the US that the maid is an employee of GoI. Not sure how that works with whatever documentation was submitted during the visa process. GoI employee means she doesn't come under us law of course.

Again, if the maid was being paid there, she might have filed tax returns. Or atleast gotten her w-2 form. That would be very interesting if and when produced by either side. Although the wage issue isn't really being denied by ex-ifs and diplomats.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 20 Dec 2013 14:30

arun wrote:Head of the BSP, Ms. Mayawati deals out the Dalit / Scheduled Card / Untouchable card in the Devyani Khobragade case :

Devyani Khobragade is a Dalit, so Centre reacted late: Mayawati

More power to her in this case. Hope Mayaji will be relentless about this. Good to remind the political class and the airhead "progressive" elites why it is bad to brush this case under the carpet with cries of, but we need the US, whattodo onlee?

vic · Post by **vic** » 20 Dec 2013 14:31

It does not have to be serious case at all. Even for trafffic challan case, anybody in law can be kept in custody for 24 hours and given danda cavity search by Pandu's Danda. In any case, it well known that US Diplomats are heavily involved in :-

Soft drugs
Homosexuality
Procuring prostitutes = paid sex
Infringement of building laws at their homes
Blocking public spaces for personal parking
Underpaying domestic staff etc

But this apart, we can easily pick up anybody on the accusation that he/she knew Headley, which would be enough to give a Pandu danda cavity search and water boarding till he/she proves him-herself to be innocent.

Or we can accuse somebody in the Embassy for protecting Warren Anderson of Bhopal Gas tragedy Case and arrest them.

ERRR I just remembered, did not a NEW YORK court sent back the Bhopal Gas tragedy case to India on the pretext that Indian Courts are the only fit forum to try these cases, so suddenly how come Indian Courts become unfit now??