Neutering & Defanging Chinese Threat (09-08-2014)

rsingh · Post by **rsingh** » 28 Jul 2017 19:42

UlanBatori wrote:Per UBCNews flash, PLA has won the right to biss on the Doklam Plateau when they see Indian forces. Major Victory for China!!

Now what the hell is UBC news? I belive onlee Global Times.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 28 Jul 2017 19:45

I am waiting for Dar ka Butt to pick that up and celebrate defeat of India.

Iyersan · Post by **Iyersan** » 28 Jul 2017 20:05

SSridhar wrote:Regarding this 250m, 500m issue, we have to understand the following.

First of all, we don't know the authenticity of this news item.

Let us assume it is correct.

The Indian/Bhutanese troops stopped the Chinese inside the Chumbi Valley/Dolam Plateau because the direction of the road they were building was threatening both nations; they were in violation of the 2012 agreement among the three nations too. That is why the Chinese were claiming that Indian troops have entered Chinese territory, though technically TIBET is *not* Chinese territory (but, that's another matter)

So, Chinese soldiers would now go back to the 'Turning Point' at the end of the Class-5 road already existing (which is probably 250m from the current stand-off point) taking back with them all their road construction machinery & materials while Indian & Bhutanese troops would withdraw to their original locations as well.

The point to note here is that India stopped the PLAGF & their road building division on the Chinese territory.

Probably Indian Psyops telling Chinese to back off. Any withdrawal more than 1 inch is defeat for china. Doesn't anyone see that

Iyersan · Post by **Iyersan** » 28 Jul 2017 20:08

https://worldview.stratfor.com/article/ ... ka-la-pass
Assessments

Jul 28, 2017 | 13:13 GMT
Heading Off China at Doka La Pass

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 28 Jul 2017 20:26

Meanwhile, Deceptive lull in South China Sea - Ravi Velloor, Straits Times

One year after the international arbitration tribunal at The Hague resoundingly ruled against China's claim to most of the South China Sea it would seem that Beijing has prevailed with its firm stand on the issue and refusal to acknowledge the ruling, much less abide by it.

On Woody Island in the Paracels, which it wrested from Vietnam in 1974 and is a place that also is claimed by Taiwan, a modern cinema theatre has just been opened. Elsewhere, more lethal equipment has been installed. New facts continue to be created on the ground unchallenged.

This week came news that Beijing had managed to stare down Vietnam and forced it to reverse a decision allowing the Spanish company Repsol to drill in waters around the Spratlys. According to the BBC, China threatened attack on Vietnam-occupied features if the drilling did not stop.

A similar tough conversation seems to have taken place in Beijing in May when Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte informed Chinese President Xi Jinping that he intended to drill for oil in the South China Sea. This week, after Mr Duterte said a "partner" had been found to drill in Reed Bank, within the Philippines' exclusive economic zone (EEZ), Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi said his country is open to joint exploration in the disputed waters.

The easy interpretation is that China has once again scored a walkover victory. With no serious challengers to its power, it looks poised for a period of extended dominance.

The lull, if it is that, may be deceptive.

For one thing, Vietnam is fully aware of two key events looming in the Asian calendar: China's 19th party congress, and the Apec summit it is itself to host. To dial down things a mite makes perfect sense, both as a nod to Mr Xi, as well as smoothing the way for a successful Apec summit.

Yet, two other exploration projects in the Vietnamese EEZ seem to be proceeding: the Blue Whale Project with ExxonMobil, the company formerly helmed by US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, and another with India's ONGC Videsh Limited, or OVL.

The OVL exploration project makes an interesting case study. OVL was first commissioned in 2006. It abandoned the field a few years later, apparently under Chinese pressure, even though the Indian navy chief had said his force would offer protection to the platform. At the time, it cited commercial reasons for its decision.

OVL now seems to have agreed to a fifth contract extension. Interestingly, it was announced days after Deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Pham Binh Minh's visit to New Delhi, where, according to an official statement, the two sides discussed "concrete and feasible" steps to protect their interests.

There could be many reasons for India's front-foot play in East Asia; keeping China distracted in the South China Sea and delaying its inevitable march into the Indian Ocean could be one. Irritation at China's strategic support for Pakistan could be another. Last September, India elevated its ties with Vietnam from "strategic partnership" to "comprehensive strategic partnership".

Equally, it is possible that New Delhi has calculated that it is time to draw a line in the sand, never mind the costs.

As in the case of its own ongoing border stand-off with China, triggered by the Indian Army blocking the People's Liberation Army's attempt to build a road through territory claimed by Bhutan, New Delhi is surely aware that smaller Asian states are watching its actions closely for signs of continued resolve.{This is a point that we need to constantly internalize. Other nations look up to India as a leader to stop the Chinese juggernaut}

It is commonly believed in South-east Asia that former US President Barack Obama's failure to hold Mr Xi to his promise of not militarising the South China Sea probably contributed to Beijing's subsequent assertive behaviour in those waters.

Against that background it is not surprising that South-east Asia's largest nation, Indonesia, also has stirred to life on the issue.

POWERS WITHIN THE REGION AND WITHOUT

Jakarta has long denied it is a party to the dispute, and indeed China makes no claims on any of its islands. But the EEZ is another matter and last year, caused frictions after the Chinese Coast Guard intervened to free a poaching vessel impounded by the Indonesian authorities within their territorial waters.

On July 14 , Indonesia announced that the waters off its northern end would be called the North Natuna Sea, adding a fourth name to a stretch of water that is now variously called South China Sea, East Sea and West Philippine Sea, depending on who is saying it.

Diplomatic sources say the Indonesian government has been referring to the area by this name in internal documents for months but decided to go public with it after careful consideration. Interestingly, in justifying the move, which came two weeks after a meeting between Mr Obama and Indonesian President Joko Widodo last month, Jakarta made reference to the Hague tribunal's ruling. With a presidential election looming in Indonesia, Mr Joko cannot seem to be quailing from defending the national interest.

Forces beyond the region are going to be critical as well in coming months. United States President Donald Trump's policy towards the region is taking on a more muscular character than ever before. Partly this is because Mr Trump has little of the patience, or trust in diplomacy, that characterised his cerebral predecessor. Indeed, some US news reports say that he has given an all too willing US Pacific Command sanction for elevated US naval engagement in the South China Sea.

Since this comes in the wake of his deteriorating relations with China's Mr Xi over the latter's inability to rein in North Korea, Beijing's immediate priority is to make sure that it stays out of Mr Trump's way. Hence, its nervousness that should Mr Trump attack North Korea, it could lead to a situation where its own troops come face to face with the US military on the Korean peninsula.

The US aside, the behaviour of other outside powers such as Japan, India and to an extent, Australia, could influence events.

Two US carriers, an Indian carrier and a Japanese helicopter carrier - a euphemism for a carrier that can host vertical take-off and landing aircraft - have just concluded the biggest ever war games in the Bay of Bengal. Late last month, the Canadian frigate HMCS Winnipeg conducted a freedom of navigation sail through the South China Sea in the company of US, Australian and Japanese ships, shadowed throughout by Chinese vessels. There is a good chance that Australia will join the US-India-Japan trilateral exercises next year, reviving the "Quad" that so upset Beijing a decade ago {as predicted here in BRf as well}.

Canada, as well as the European Union, has been knocking at the doors of the East Asia Summit, and may well gain entry in the near future. Yesterday, Britain said it would likely send a warship to the region next year to conduct freedom of navigation passages.

With so many influential voices taking an interest in the neighbourhood, small claimant states in the South China Sea dispute will likely gain more courage to assert their own positions. That goes even for the Philippines, which has trodden a noticeably soft line with China under President Duterte, despite the arbitral ruling going overwhelmingly in its favour. China is not unaware of this. It recognises that Filipino interests are too closely tied to America's for it to be weaned away from that orbit for too long. For now, though, it is happy to humour Mr Duterte and play along.

For South-east Asia, the months ahead offer a window for reflection. This year's Asean leaders' summit looks certain to be overshadowed by worry over the Korean peninsula, which means the South China Sea will probably take a back seat, perhaps to the relief of all.

After that it is Singapore's turn to lead the grouping - coincidentally, it takes the chair at a time it also is the designated coordinator for the Asean-China relationship. Then it is Thailand before the chair moves to Vietnam in 2020.

Every leader in the area knows that while they need to find a via media with China, excessive emollience towards the regional overlord could lead to increasingly untenable demands to accommodate its interests.

China may have bought itself some breathing room but by no means can it think the South China Sea genie has been bottled successfully.

Failure to adhere to the 2002 Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea led to the current situation. Since then, things have moved along so much that only a high quality code of conduct in the South China Sea - scrupulously followed by all - would be of any value.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 28 Jul 2017 21:12

UlanBatori wrote:I am waiting for Dar ka Butt to pick that up and celebrate defeat of India.

She is now a non entity, a memory of thing past/passed - like the previous users fart in an elevator

DrRatnadip · Post by **DrRatnadip** » 28 Jul 2017 21:16

http://m.indiatoday.in/lite/story/india ... 13152.html

India Today magazine cover goes viral in China, triggers Photoshop battle

India Today magazine cover that has gone viral in China
The covers of the India Today magazine have always been iconic, ingenious and often controversial.

The cover of the July 31 issue of the India Today magazine has gone viral on Chinese social media platform Wiebo, the country's substitute for Twitter, and the Chinese are not pleased with the cover.
The latest issue of the India Today magazine has the map of China, in red, in the shape of a big chicken and a smaller chick -- Pakistan, in green -- by its side, along with captions that read "China's new chick" and "How China is buying out Pakistan with massive new investments and why India needs to worry", below it.

The Chinese are fuming seeing the cover. Their main contention is that the map on the cover doesn't show Tibet and Taiwan as its part. In retaliation, there are op-eds, sharply criticising the magazine and India as a whole, being written on Chinese newspapers, and Chinese social media users Photoshopping their answers on to India Today magazine covers.

mirChi bahot lagi hai ...

Iyersan · Post by **Iyersan** » 28 Jul 2017 21:28

No ko just launched a ballistic missile that landed in Japan EEZ

Iyersan · Post by **Iyersan** » 28 Jul 2017 21:29

shiv wrote:
UlanBatori wrote:I am waiting for Dar ka Butt to pick that up and celebrate defeat of India.
She is now a non entity, a memory of thing past/passed - like the previous users fart in an elevator

EPIC

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 28 Jul 2017 22:39

sample red chicken and green chicken dropping
pak represents the waste and dark matter that even the mighty chicken could not absorb

chola · Post by **chola** » 28 Jul 2017 23:11

Singha wrote:sample red chicken and green chicken dropping
pak represents the waste and dark matter that even the mighty chicken could not absorb

Lol. That is pretty close to Paki green.

DrRatnadip · Post by **DrRatnadip** » 29 Jul 2017 00:25

http://defencenews.in/article/IAF-ramps ... ast-263443

IAF ramps up infra with 8 advance ALG's and Brahmos Regiment to take on China in the North-East

As China continues to make inroads into northern Tibet with a massive deployment of military equipment, the Indian Army is scaling up its military infrastructure in bordering areas.

With the muscle flexing between the two countries running into its second month amid the Doklam standoff, there has been a lot of action in North East India as aircraft, machinery, weaponry and men are flooding into the mountainous terrain.

MOVING SUPPLIES TO THE FRONTLINE ::

The Union government has approved the deployment of the Brahmos missile's Block-III version in Arunachal Pradesh to counter China's huge build-up of military infrastructure all along the 4,057-km Line of Actual Control.

Strategic roads along the border with China are also being worked on. The Army has also deployed BrahMos supersonic cruise missiles in Arunachal and Sukhoi Su-30MKI at bases in Assam.

The focus on upgrading aircraft capabilities is massive, an Army official said. It is an urgent requirement for quick mobilisation of men and machinery in the rugged terrain along the India-China border in Arunachal in case of any emergency.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 29 Jul 2017 00:32

shiv wrote:Here is a Google Earth image of the same area

This border area is the Indo-Bhutan border, and is 3.5 Km deep into Bhutanese territory. What are the Chinese doing in here so deep.
They need to be kicked back 3.5 Kms back into the Chumbi Valley !

SBajwa · Post by **SBajwa** » 29 Jul 2017 00:45

sample red chicken and green chicken dropping
pak represents the waste and dark matter that even the mighty chicken could not absorb

Chicken Tikka Masala or Chicken Kabab or Tandoori Chicken?

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 29 Jul 2017 02:04

I always had this doubt in mind. If IA was at Doka La and could see the activity down below on the plateau how come it allowed the equipment to be inducted and for the Chinese to start work before it came down to stop them.

Think about it, the original story was that a Bhutanese patrol first encountered the Chinese building party where as we know IA was sitting right there. It should have seen it first. Here is the answer.

Nitin A. Gokhale Retweeted
gab.ai/TheCol‏ @desertfox61I Jul 25
Replying to @nitingokhale @avarakai

Army did not ignore
Pol clearance in consultation with Bhutan tricky
Move authorised only after cleared by Bhutan
&
Demarche to China

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 29 Jul 2017 02:16

One more map showing the general area. It caught my interest because it shows the location of the passes to the plateau on the Chinese side Merug La and Senche La. I think the Chinese road goes via Senche La. Just a guess based on the alignment of the road per previous maps.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 29 Jul 2017 02:27

NSA Ajit Doval, Xi meet, but fail to break Doklam logjam http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 812288.cms

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 29 Jul 2017 02:31

On expected lines. Would have surprised me if we had got an agreement without complete capitulation. If we understand the impact of a simultaneous pullout it wouldn't be lost on the Chinese. Expect deployment at least till party congress may be beyond.

ldev · Post by **ldev** » 29 Jul 2017 02:54

IndraD wrote: NSA Ajit Doval, Xi meet, but fail to break Doklam logjam http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 812288.cms

From this article:

The Chinese leadership got away by imposing an air flight control zone over islands disputed with Japan and creating artificial islands in the disputed South China Sea despite US resistance. This is why it is very is difficult for the government to explain India's refusal to budge an inch in Doklam, he explained.

China has got away with it's land/sea grab shenanigans for so long that it cannot comprehend that India has stopped it in Bhutan. Even the US besides doing some meaningless USAF flypasts and FONOPS by the USN which last a few minutes/hours has not done a thing.

The Doklam issue is fast becoming a domestic political problem for China's leaders who need to deal with a section of hawkish Communist Party members demanding action to "push back" Indian troops, sources said. This is happening ahead of a crucial party congress that will elect leaders to top positions later this year.

Yes, it is becoming a domestic issue and as predicted a solution to this stand-off is unlikely before the Party Congress.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 29 Jul 2017 04:08

And how is this domestic issue India's problem?

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 29 Jul 2017 05:50

^^ Chinese never got away with imposing their so-called Air defence zone. US flew two B-52s into it and Japanese too ignored it. Now no one speaks of it anymore..

The newspaper cannot even keep track of what it published??

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 431822.cms

And as you rightly pointed out, why is everyone's domestic issues our problem?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 29 Jul 2017 06:16

pankajs wrote:One more map showing the general area. It caught my interest because it shows the location of the passes to the plateau on the Chinese side Merug La and Senche La. I think the Chinese road goes via Senche La.

Yes the Chinese path can be seen on Google Earth winding up a forested mountainside to enter Bhutan via Sinche La

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 29 Jul 2017 06:40

I assume that the point of these "roads" is to bring busloads of terrorists to sneak across the border.

ldev · Post by **ldev** » 29 Jul 2017 07:23

sanjaykumar wrote:And how is this domestic issue India's problem?

Just like India domestic issues are China's "problem", which they gauge by getting their Ambassador to meet with Rahul Gandhi etc.

sanjaykumar · Post by **sanjaykumar** » 29 Jul 2017 07:24

In fact in shivshanker menon's book there is acknowledgement that India is doing to China what the latter did to India in the 1990s. Creeping encroachment. Apparently they are patrolling some areas the Chinese believed to have been ceded to them. Recall the Chinese premier mocking the Indians over this to a visiting dignitary. If someone could find it, it should be resurrected.

India went in with all avenues blocked for china. This is the tonic for eleven gin. Spelled NSG and mansour ahzar.

They full well knew India would be exercising with the US and Japan at the time. They knew the CPC congress is upcoming. They knew India has got its way previously, in Ladakh.

Modi and Doval are two of the finest strategists on the planet currently. Only they did not know the Chinese would make such loud fools of themselves.

atamjeetsingh · Post by **atamjeetsingh** » 29 Jul 2017 07:37

UK sending 2 aircraft carriers to SCS and US Navy stating they are ready to nuke China. These two statements cannot be isolated from Dokla. US & UK got their spine back after the firm stand taken by India. This is outright loss which Eleven has to face b'cos of needling he did to Modi.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 29 Jul 2017 07:38

I wonder if ramana would consider it time to unlock the NoKo dhaga.

I can't see how DT can continue to ignore NoKo. The Task force has taken casualties and ship losses (collision near Japan and 1 or 2 planes lost off a carrier IIRC). The opposition will never quit

like Congis after Op. Parakram stand-down. I think a US jhapad against NoKo would result in major loss of face for Eleven - no way to spin it away if ancient ally get overthrown by loundeyes.

There may be a lot of linkage between the Himalayan standoff and the NoKo antics. A combined US-India-Japan-SoKo jhapad to the cheen-noko-paki axis..
Oh well! I guess this will bring the usual unkind remarks about my choice of hasheesh quality.

V only smoke the very best, I assure you.
Unfortunately, Russia-Cheen is all bhai-bhai right now. Otherwise the Russians could also stir up the Ussuri River festivities. Does anyone know how many died on each side in that flareup? Nearly went (tactical) nuclear, I believe.

Posted later. Thanks, atamjeetji. Same line of thinking... Far too long we have watched Chinese thievery and arrogance get away unpunished.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 29 Jul 2017 07:43

Off Topic but I think NoKo is heading for a thappad fairly soon

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 29 Jul 2017 07:52

shiv wrote:
pankajs wrote:One more map showing the general area. It caught my interest because it shows the location of the passes to the plateau on the Chinese side Merug La and Senche La. I think the Chinese road goes via Senche La.
Yes the Chinese path can be seen on Google Earth winding up a forested mountainside to enter Bhutan via Sinche La

pankajs, that is a good map.

shiv, with Google Earth we can clearly see the 'Turnaround Point' of the road from Yadong. This was the terminal point. Up to this point, it is a bigger road (probably Class-40). We can further see that there is a smaller track (possibly class-5) from this point due east, towards the Bhutan border, possibly slightly to the south of Sanche La where the Jhamperi Ridge is located. On the Jhamperi ridge is the Bhutan border post Zom Pelri. The Ambassador of the Royal Bhutanese Embassy in Delhi, Major-General Vetsop Namgyal had said that the road construction by the Chinese Army was “progressing towards” a camp of the Royal Bhutan Army at Zom Pelri. [Turnaround point coordinates 27d 18m 49.99s N & 88d 57m 41.30s E]

It is my understanding that the Class-5 road from the turnaround point due east is being widened and strengthened to be a Class-40 road. Google Earth does indeed show a small stretch already done up. That is when the IA interfered.

The Doka La pass on the Indian side is on the other side of the Dolam Plateau. Once a month the Indian patrol goes through the Dolam plateau to meet up with their Bhutanese counterparts at Zom Pleri.

SriKumar · Post by **SriKumar** » 29 Jul 2017 08:17

atamjeetsingh wrote:UK sending 2 aircraft carriers to SCS and US Navy stating they are ready to nuke China. These two statements cannot be isolated from Dokla. US & UK got their spine back after the firm stand taken by India. This is outright loss which Eleven has to face b'cos of needling he did to Modi.

I'd say, that leaked video by some serving US admiral who was saying that the Malabar exercise is exactly for situations like this (I think China was mentioned by name)....that's pretty significant too. The release was too perfectly timed to be coincidental.

Yes, and boy did XI needle Modi. He sent his troops into India while visiting India and being hosted by Modi when Modi had just become the PM. AT the recent BRICS, Ajit Doval confirmed that Modi is planning to visit China for another BRICS meet in Sept 1st week. If that were to happen, the situation would be reversed completely. MOdi would be meeting XI with Indian troops halting Chinese troops in land claimed by them! Though I wish Modi would not visit China during such sensitive times.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 29 Jul 2017 08:20

SSridhar wrote:
shiv wrote:Yes the Chinese path can be seen on Google Earth winding up a forested mountainside to enter Bhutan via Sinche La
pankajs, that is a good map.

shiv, with Google Earth we can clearly see the 'Turnaround Point' of the road from Yadong. This was the terminal point. Up to this point, it is a bigger road (probably Class-40). We can further see that there is a smaller track (possibly class-5) from this point due east, towards the Bhutan border, possibly slightly to the south of Sanche La where the Jhamperi Ridge is located. On the Jhamperi ridge is the Bhutan border post Zom Pelri. The Ambassador of the Royal Bhutanese Embassy in Delhi, Major-General Vetsop Namgyal had said that the road construction by the Chinese Army was “progressing towards” a camp of the Royal Bhutan Army at Zom Pelri. [Turnaround point coordinates 27d 18m 49.99s N & 88d 57m 41.30s E]

It is my understanding that the Class-5 road from the turnaround point due east is being widened and strengthened to be a Class-40 road. Google Earth does indeed show a small stretch already done up. That is when the IA interfered.

The Doka La pass on the Indian side is on the other side of the Dolam Plateau. Once a month the Indian patrol goes through the Dolam plateau to meet up with their Bhutanese counterparts at Zom Pleri.

Soon after the Chinese path enters the plateau in Sinche La it can be seen on Google earth to split into two. One heads west towards the Indian border at Doka La. The other heads North towards Batang La (I could not see the Bhutanese huts). But this latter road then re enters Chinese controlled Tibet and then stops at the Border with India overlooking another Indian army position

The path that goes to DoKa la has a small branch that head southwards that can be seen in my image. This continues as a rough path down a tree lined mountainside into Bhuta. This may actually be the path that the Bhutanese army uses. There is no other path I could find.

Will try and create a graphic

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 29 Jul 2017 08:54

shiv wrote:Soon after the Chinese path enters the plateau in Sinche La it can be seen on Google earth to split into two. One heads west towards the Indian border at Doka La.

Yes, that's correct. The Sanche La road enters the Doklam Plateau at coordinates 27d 18m 41.11s N and 88d 57m 38.55s E It then skirts a small mountain ridge, goes around it and then goes westwards towards Doka La, with even a branch seemingly going to the ridgeline from the western slopes

The other heads North towards Batang La (I could not see the Bhutanese huts). But this latter road then re enters Chinese controlled Tibet and then stops at the Border with India overlooking another Indian army position

I am unable to see this. Can you give coordinates?

The path that goes to DoKa la has a small branch that head southwards that can be seen in my image. This continues as a rough path down a tree lined mountainside into Bhuta. This may actually be the path that the Bhutanese army uses. There is no other path I could find.

Cannot locate it either.

Iyersan · Post by **Iyersan** » 29 Jul 2017 14:31

What is the outcome of Doval visit?

DrRatnadip · Post by **DrRatnadip** » 29 Jul 2017 14:40

Iyersan wrote:What is the outcome of Doval visit?

NSA Ajit Doval, Xi meet, but fail to break Doklam logjam

BEIJING: National security advisor Ajit Doval's meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping did not yield any breakthrough that could end the current standoff in Doklam. Analysts, however, said the cool off in the recent weeks may give leaders enough time to find a solution.
Doval met Chinese President Xi Jinping and other senior officials on Friday at the summit of Brics national security advisers (NSAs) in the Chinese capital.

http://m.timesofindia.com/world/china/i ... 812288.cms

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 29 Jul 2017 14:45

SSridhar wrote:
The other heads North towards Batang La (I could not see the Bhutanese huts). But this latter road then re enters Chinese controlled Tibet and then stops at the Border with India overlooking another Indian army position
I am unable to see this. Can you give coordinates?

Sridhar you may be able to figure out this image
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B3JNY ... k9xNEJjWlk

Blue zig-zag lines coem from Tibet to the Plateau via Sinche la

Sinche la, Doka la and Batang la are marked

Indian army positions are green arrow. Takes this as a general pointer and explore on google earth

All my Dokala placemarks are here:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B3JNY ... WF3Y2t2Ujg

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 29 Jul 2017 14:46

DrRatnadip wrote:
Iyersan wrote:What is the outcome of Doval visit?

NSA Ajit Doval, Xi meet, but fail to break Doklam logjam

BEIJING: National security advisor Ajit Doval's meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping did not yield any breakthrough that could end the current standoff in Doklam. Analysts, however, said the cool off in the recent weeks may give leaders enough time to find a solution.
Doval met Chinese President Xi Jinping and other senior officials on Friday at the summit of Brics national security advisers (NSAs) in the Chinese capital.

http://m.timesofindia.com/world/china/i ... 812288.cms

Feku news. No spokesperson has even said what was discussed

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 29 Jul 2017 15:07

let us not post unverified twitter news on such crucial matters here and get into a collective churn

chola · Post by **chola** » 29 Jul 2017 15:13

DrRatnadip wrote:
Iyersan wrote:What is the outcome of Doval visit?

NSA Ajit Doval, Xi meet, but fail to break Doklam logjam

BEIJING: National security advisor Ajit Doval's meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping did not yield any breakthrough that could end the current standoff in Doklam. Analysts, however, said the cool off in the recent weeks may give leaders enough time to find a solution.
Doval met Chinese President Xi Jinping and other senior officials on Friday at the summit of Brics national security advisers (NSAs) in the Chinese capital.

http://m.timesofindia.com/world/china/i ... 812288.cms

Good. War is not off the table.

DrRatnadip · Post by **DrRatnadip** » 29 Jul 2017 15:19

chola wrote:
DrRatnadip wrote:
NSA Ajit Doval, Xi meet, but fail to break Doklam logjam

BEIJING: National security advisor Ajit Doval's meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping did not yield any breakthrough that could end the current standoff in Doklam. Analysts, however, said the cool off in the recent weeks may give leaders enough time to find a solution.
Doval met Chinese President Xi Jinping and other senior officials on Friday at the summit of Brics national security advisers (NSAs) in the Chinese capital.

http://m.timesofindia.com/world/china/i ... 812288.cms
Good. War is not off the table.

Chola sir chinese are going to cyber attack your computer soon..

..

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 29 Jul 2017 15:40

read on facebook
The Malaysian Chinese traders used to do the same to rubber tappers brought from India to work in Malaysia. They gave money and groceries on loans and then cheap alcohol also on loans (local made). The Indian origin labourers are forever in debt till death and continued by their children. This Chinese 'Home economics' is infused in their DNA.