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The other thread has met its 72 in swat valley, thus this spillover here.

The 80 Kt could refer to Indian capabilities with the Indian designed Pure Fission bomb.

To have a fission of ~ 5 Kg of fissile material one needs 2x or 3x that amount in there because of the process being inefficient and related to bomb design.

Since the pure fission bomb is India's 2nd gen fission bomb (If we consider Pok-1 to be 1st gen Indian bomb), and based on 80s and 90s technology, this is likely to be quite efficient, so 2-3 x the fissile material usage.

The main rona dhona is that a TN which will yield 200Kt will use perhaps lesser fissile material. :((
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Gagan wrote:The other thread has met its 72 in swat valley, thus this spillover here.

The 80 Kt could refer to Indian capabilities with the Indian designed Pure Fission bomb.

To have a fission of ~ 5 Kg of fissile material one needs 2x or 3x that amount in there because of the process being inefficient and related to bomb design.

Since the pure fission bomb is India's 2nd gen fission bomb (If we consider Pok-1 to be 1st gen Indian bomb), and based on 80s and 90s technology, this is likely to be quite efficient, so 2-3 x the fissile material usage.

The main rona dhona is that a TN which will yield 200Kt will use perhaps lesser fissile material. :((
I think there is more to it then that.
It was clamed by many that TSP had exploded a more advanced design bomb (of chinease design).

The ammount of PU is not really a problem for India, as it can produce a lot of it. But the main problems seems to be that Indian scientists have not been able to test and refine their design. Just look at the number of test china has undertaken, to refine their bombs (not to mention US and Russia). One starts to wonder what the Indian capability really is? Even a 50kt bomb is a serious threat, if you have many of them.
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Gagan wrote:The other thread has met its 72 in swat valley, thus this spillover here.

The 80 Kt could refer to Indian capabilities with the Indian designed Pure Fission bomb.

To have a fission of ~ 5 Kg of fissile material one needs 2x or 3x that amount in there because of the process being inefficient and related to bomb design......


The main rona dhona is that a TN which will yield 200Kt will use perhaps lesser fissile material. :((
"Could be ????" That's what I find odd. . A scientist using "Sour grapes" type(right in the next sentence) words and is sloppy enough not to qualify/mention where this 80Kt figure comes from ... he does mention "MAX" with no qualification...why not a clear technically correct sentence ... ( BTW, for perspective, A 10x amount will be about 50Kg about the size of fissionable material in Hiroshima bomb, to give about 80Kt yield ... ).

And this was just one example ... the article, for example, talks about relative merits of mass spectroscopy versus radiochemical measurement which I found a little odd. (See the original article for details/relevance ) It is hard (at least for me, even after a few iteration of reading) to understand if the conclusions are being drawn from the other article they mention, or his/their own view points, or supposedly well know results (which they don't seem to be) ..more importantly no (new) data is presented in clear form in that discussion about what (qualitatively speaking) was the data and/or results from those measurements. ..(

Hence the disappointment...
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INFCIRC/754/Add.1

Agreement between the Government of India and the International Atomic Energy Agency for
the Application of Safeguards to Civilian Nuclear Facilities: Addition to the List of Facilities Subject to Safeguards Under the Agreement

http://www.iaea.org/Publications/Docume ... c754a1.pdf
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Gerard wrote:INFCIRC/754/Add.1

Agreement between the Government of India and the International Atomic Energy Agency for
the Application of Safeguards to Civilian Nuclear Facilities: Addition to the List of Facilities Subject to Safeguards Under the Agreement

http://www.iaea.org/Publications/Docume ... c754a1.pdf
Thanks Gerard.

In that list, certain divisions of NFC, Hyderabad is listed out. Are there other divisions of NFC Hyderabad which are not subject to safeguards treaty with IAEA?
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Yes. While they may be subject to occasional campaign safeguards, being left out means they are not subject to permanent IAEA inspections. Anything not specifically listed to the IAEA is off limits as regards inspections, pursuit etc.
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With eye on US, cabinet green signals N-liability bill
In a move that should significantly speeden up nuclear commerce, the Cabinet on Thursday approved the Civil Nuclear Liability Bill that envisages the Centre indirectly taking the onus of compensation in case of a mishap. The compensation will be capped at Rs 2,500 crore in the event of a nuclear accident.
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N-deal: Last-minute flurry ahead of PM visit
In a last ditch effort to have some strategic deliverable, India and US have hurriedly scheduled another round of talks on Friday in Washington before Prime Minister Manmohan Singh arrives on Sunday to hammer out an agreement on reprocessing US-origin nuclear fuel — a commitment that was part of the 123 agreement. Both sides have a one-year deadline to complete this agreement, but New Delhi is keen to have it ready for announcement during the visit. While officials are lowering expectations on a positive outcome, sources said, a strong effort is underway.
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However, sources said, there were still considerable portions in the document on which an agreement was yet to be reached. If reached, it would be unique in many ways as the US does not have such arrangements with many countries. It will involve India setting up a dedicated reprocessing facility for foreign-origin fuel. The one model that is being looked at for safeguards arrangements is what is being followed by the Rokkasho Reprocessing Plant in Japan where the US too has invested large sums of money.
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Sell AECL to India
Edit by the leader of the Canadian Hindu Advocacy
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AECL and its CANDU nuclear reactors are stuck between a rock and a hard place. Domestically, CANDU reactors have suffered from massive cost overruns and prolonged shutdowns. The sluggish Ontario economy and reduced electricity consumption means that, at best, AECL may look forward to some refurbishment work on older units and the construction of two new units in Canada over the next decade.

Internationally, things look even grimmer. Europe seems to have bet on AREVA’s reactors while America is considering AREVA and Westinghouse designs. South Korea and China, which had purchased six CANDUs, have also chosen to look at AREVA, Westinghouse and GE models.

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Selling AECL to anyone would yield immediate funds for a beleaguered government and an end to state subsidies. To get more from a sale, though, Canada should look at an alternative buyer rather than AREVA, GE or Westinghouse.

There is only one other nation in the world which has selected the same heavy water reactor technology as CANDU. India bought and evaluated two CANDUs and two American light water reactors in the late 1960s. Due to a shortage of domestic uranium, India decided to base a massive domestic nuclear program on heavy water technology.

India has built 17 reactors and is constructing six more currently. Indian heavy water reactors have been a scintillating success and, according to the Journal of Nuclear Engineering and Design, have achieved over 90% capacity utilization in the last decade. By contrast, the Ontario Clean Air Alliance reports the province’s fleet of CANDUs sported a 65% utilization rate in 2005. The Canadian Nuclear Society claims an overall CANDU fleet performance of closer to 80%. 8)

India’s NPCIL has been able to lower costs and outperform AECL thanks to a massive pool of technical talent and an enormous, ever-expanding economy with increasing energy demands. The energy requirements are so high that NPCIL cannot construct heavy water reactors quickly enough, and needs to purchase foreign reactors. This led to the Indo-U.S. nuclear deal, which allows India to buy foreign reactors as long as they are open to inspections and used for civilian (non-military) purposes.


Multi-billion dollar deals have already been signed with Russian manufacturers and AREVA, while negotiations with Westinghouse are ongoing. The stakes are massive: India will deploy reactors worth $40-billion in the next decade. Half of these will be imported.

Over the next seven years, NPCIL plans to build eight indigenous 700 megawatt (MW) heavy water reactors and a 500 MW fast-breeder reactor, in addition to contracts with foreign manufacturers. When chairman S.K. Jain was asked how so many reactors could be built, he bluntly stated that NPCIL was cash-rich and had billions of dollars in reserve.

Given that India is familiar with heavy water technology, one would think that CANDUs would have a better chance than other reactors. However, the contracts signed so far have been for the unfamiliar light water reactors built by CANDU competitors.


This baffling situation is due primarily to historic boondoggles perpetrated by previous Liberal administrations. In 1973, India tested nuclear weapons despite not being signatories to the Nuclear Proliferation Treaty (NPT). India refused to sign the NPT because neighbouring China, which had attacked India in 1962, was permitted under the NPT to possess nuclear weapons.

Canada accused India of using Canadian-supplied reactors to build the first elements of her nuclear arsenal. The Liberal government then took a fateful decision that ultimately resulted in CANDU’s current predicament: It suspended all nuclear cooperation with India.
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Canada may have already missed the bus on this file, however. Obstruction from non-proliferation zealots within Canada’s legendary bureaucracy has resulted in Russia and France leapfrogging us and signing reactor deals. Also, the Indians are nervous about the minority status of Stephen Harper’s government and how an alternate regime may deal with India.

Additionally, the more advanced state of the Indian nuclear industry and superior performance of Indian reactors raise legitimate questions about whether there are any advantages to buying CANDU.


On the other hand, rescuing AECL with Indian ownership would have obvious benefits.

India is developing a new thorium reactor — an element both India and Canada have in abundance — which will be the world’s cleanest and safest. With its enormous clout, size and access to low-cost technological solutions, India is much better positioned to achieve global sales.

The participation of an Indian-owned AECL in India’s massive domestic nuclear program, as well as potential Indian-led foreign sales efforts, would be likely to generate more employment and benefits for Canada’s nuclear industry. It is clearly a more attractive proposition than the futility of a small independent player competing against muscular, better capitalized foreign firms backed by superpowers.

India has achieved a tremendous track record of rescuing faltering foreign firms in places like Europe. Britain has sold the remnants of its auto industry (Jaguar Land Rover) to an Indian firm and recently pledged funding to the Tata Group for the production of an electric car in the U.K.

Tata Steel has also purchased and overhauled Europe’s largest steel manufacturer, Corus Steel.

Europeans have entrusted Indian behemoths to rescue such important strategic industries as steel and automotive sectors. There is no reason why Canada’s faltering AECL cannot benefit from Indian ownership as well. It may be our only ticket to saving the nuclear industry.
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Gagan wrote:The other thread has met its 72 in swat valley, thus this spillover here.
:((
There is spillover in the deterrence thread as well - with this same article having been posted there.
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Amber G. wrote:
..Can you really call a 50-80 kt device a "puf". .....I have tried to serch for the answers, but there seems to be a lot of confusion. Anyone care to enlighten.
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As I said in the other thread, the statements in the article above, namely:
they suddenly say A-bombs (which cannot yield more than 80 kt max) are enough. Why? Sour grapes following ....
.... specially coming out from a scientist are most curious, and try as much benefit of doubt I like to give, are frankly reduces their credibility.

Please notice that 80kt is a number which is equivalent to energy of less than 5 Kilo of Uranium (or Pu) fissioning. not to mention that devices like MK18 (pure fission) which has been tested with yield about 500Kt , I cannot figure out where 80kt figure comes from.

As far as any new academic/scientific/technical information is concerned, I sadly could not see any thing there...

Just my thought.

The 80 Kt comes from the other KS!!!!!!! IIRC he mentioned that looooong time back.

Then "cannot yield more" is a Santhanamism. We have to learn to read between and at the same time across the line: I THINK he means since the other KS said India has 80 Kt weapons, therefore that is a limit. It is a "limit" placed by Indians on themselves, not a technical or a limit via physics.

Try this by Tellis.
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Gerard wrote:With eye on US, cabinet green signals N-liability bill
In a move that should significantly speeden up nuclear commerce, the Cabinet on Thursday approved the Civil Nuclear Liability Bill that envisages the Centre indirectly taking the onus of compensation in case of a mishap. The compensation will be capped at Rs 2,500 crore in the event of a nuclear accident.
shame on GoI, 123 agreement is like never ending story .... India must do this bit and that bit and this bit and that bit ..... US is asking for too much and GoI is doing it unwilling one after another.... We should show them middle fing** and go ahead with French and Russians or alone.
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^^^ The brouhaha over the Civil nuclear liability Bill is further instance of anything incremental to our current setup being described as a sellout..

Key components of the law (as we can glean from press reports):

1. Liability of compensation to be on the operator of the plant, not the equipment supplier. That is standard practice in wrold nuclear trade, and has been formalised by both multilateral treaties (like the IAEA/OECD conventions) or by national laws (like the American Price Henderson Act).

2. Limiting the liability of each accident/plant at 2500 crores, ie, about USD 550 million..The Paris/BRussels convention of OECD marks out maximum liability at 360 million euros, or about 500 million dollars as of now..The Americans put an individual operator liability at 300 million dollars, and an overarching industry cover on top..

More details here..

http://www.eoearth.org/article/Civil_li ... ear_damage

Without knowing the fineprint of our legislation, just on the broad generalities, by having this law we are simply joinng the international mainstream on nuclear regulation!

As of now, our laws allow only 26% private ownership of plant operation. There is no reason why in future as more plants come up and investments become necessary, that limit wont be raised for safeguarded reactor operation..In which case the same law will apply to the private operator, as opposed to public sector NPCIL only (as of now)...
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India Neutrino Observatory meets its 72
http://www.deccanherald.com/content/370 ... giris.html
Knell sounded for neutrino observatory in Nilgiris
Kalyan Ray, New Delhi, Nov 20, DHNS:

After keeping hundreds of scientists on tenterhooks for three years, the Centre on Friday finally sounded the death knell for the Indian Neutrino Observatory, which was to showcase India's science prowess to the world.
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But green activists were up in arms against INO. They first argued that it falls within an elephant corridor and subsequently pointed out that it is within the buffer zone of Mudhumalai tiger reserve notified in 2008.

When the project took off, the tiger reserve was nowhere in place. It was notified only last year. Singara site received geological and environmental clearance, but not the forest clearance. An official assessment was conducted by Rajesh Gopal, member secretary, National Tiger Conservation Authority. He ruled against the project.

Last August, ten of the world’s top physicists, including Nobel laureates Sheldon Glashow and Masatoshi Kosiba, appealed to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh requesting him to salvage the INO project.

Ramesh admitted that veteran Indian Institute of Sciences ecologist R Sukumar, who worked in the Nilgiri forests for 20 years, had prepared a note on the INO project at his behest which clearly states “arguments against Singara are, to a very large extent, exaggerated and misplaced”.

In a letter to the department of atomic energy secretary Anil Kakodkar — a copy of which is available with Deccan Herald — the minister said he thought “long and hard about the INO Project” but “the decision must go against Singara”.

Scientists have now been asked to “seriously consider” an alternate site at Suruliyar, close to Madurai in Tamil Nadu.
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NRao wrote: Try this by Tellis.

nraogaru - I found a very interesting statement by Tellis. This is the only ref I have ever seen that allegesthat india has used a "flying plate design" for detonation of the primary in a fission bombs.

Tellis must be wrong because Chengappa clearly describes all the Pu cores as being perfect spheres weighing from 3 to 8 kg. Flying plates I think are used for cylndrical primaries.

Ref - Flying Plate (with diagram)
http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Nwfaq/N ... faq4.1.6.2

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shiv wrote:nraogaru - I found a very interesting statement by Tellis. This is the only ref I have ever seen that allegesthat india has used a "flying plate design" for detonation of the primary in a fission bombs.

Tellis must be wrong because Chengappa clearly describes all the Pu cores as being perfect spheres weighing from 3 to 8 kg. Flying plates I think are used for cylndrical primaries.
Shiv-ji

Flying plate is also used for 2-point hollow sphere Pu primary. Like in the swan device.

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^^

OK Thanks. I stand corrected
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India deserves access to dual use technology: Manmohan Singh
November 23rd, 2009 - 8:59 am ICT by IANS
By Arun Kumar
Washington, Nov 22 (IANS) As Prime Minister Manmohan Singh arrived in the US on a state visit he said as a responsible nuclear power, India should be given access to dual use technologies to help it grow.

“We are a nuclear weapon state, but we are a responsible nuclear power,” he told CNN television in an interview telecast as he landed in Washington Sunday. “We have an impeccable record of not ha :lol: ving contributed to unauthorised proliferation of these weapons of mass destruction.”

“So I think India does require greater consideration of the global community,” he said when asked if he was worried that President Barack Obama’s administration may be more restrictive in the transfer of nuclear technology to India under their landmark civil nuclear deal.

“India needs to operate on the frontiers of modern science and technology and therefore restrictions on dual use technology affect our growth,” Manmohan Singh said.

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This probably euphemistically means "Please, please, please give/sell to us 3-Axis CNC machine" and possibly also means "please, please please, give/sell to us equipment and components urgently required to be imported for constructing and running npps not in the safeguarded list!" :)
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Sanatanan wrote: This probably euphemistically means "Please, please, please give/sell to us 3-Axis CNC machine" and possibly also means "please, please please, give/sell to us equipment and components urgently required to be imported for constructing and running npps not in the safeguarded list!" :)

That is exactly what it sounds like - but of late it has been occurring to me that by begging and grovelling Pakistan got a nuclear arsenal and delivery systems as well as an economy that stayed ahead of penury- so there may be some sense in giving that a try.
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NGOs oppose Meghalaya draft mining policy
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MMS in Washington declares India's commitment to FMCT initiate hosted by Obama :!:
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^^^^ Link ?
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abhiti wrote:MMS in Washington declares India's commitment to FMCT initiate hosted by Obama :!:
I would think he mentioned "verifiable" somewhere in there. That has been Indian position all along.
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Oct 20, 2009 :: India ready to negotiate FMCT that is on-discriminatory: PM
Favouring non-discriminatory universal nuclear disarmament, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh today said India is ready to negotiate the Fissile Material Cut-off Treaty (FMCT) which is multilateral, non-discriminatory and verifiable.

Addressing a conference of top commanders of the three defence services here, he said it needs to be ensured that discriminatory standards and approaches in global disarmament are not perpetuated.

"There is a revival of interest on nuclear disarmament and non-proliferation issues. We welcome this because India was a pioneer in the campaign for a nuclear weapons free world," Singh said.

He was apparently referring to the push being given by the US under the Obama Administration to non-proliferation initiatives like Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty and FMCT.

At the behest of the US, the UN Security Council recently adopted a resolution asking all nuclear weapon states to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT).

"We are ready to negotiate a Fissile Material Cut-off Treaty which is multilateral, non-discriminatory and verifiable," Singh said while noting that "as a responsible nuclear weapon state, we wish to see nuclear disarmament that is global, non-discriminatory and universal in nature".

India has maintained that it will not sign the NPT in its present form as it is flawed and discriminatory.
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India should start VFMCT. Verifiable FMCT.
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I say we keep the V and drop the other 4 letters, just to avoid having the US piggyback their non-verifiable initiatives on any of our proposals.
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That is fine. It just means more games and another 25 years before anyone defines what is verifiable and what they are verifying. 8)

Meanwhile India can test some more A2s, think about A5s, MIRVs, etc.
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Reprocessing pact: PM says need to dot Is, cross some Ts
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It was expected that a political push from both Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and US President Barack Obama would clear the way for the two delegations to reach an agreed text. But sources said India felt that the commitments being put on the agreement did not accurately mirror those in the 123 agreement which was the bottomline for the Indian delegation led by senior Department of Atomic Energy official R B Grover.
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It is learnt that the US side led by State Department’s expert on nuclear policy Richard Stratford wanted to include more reporting and certification requirements mandated by the US Atomic Energy Act. This proved to be intractable as both sides struggled to find the text and language that could serve each other’s purpose.

With the US finally agreeing to stick by the template of commitments in the 123 agreement, sources said an understanding could be reached in one more meeting. There was, however, some disappointment in the Indian camp because the PM was keen to conclude the remaining steps of the nuclear deal during this visit.
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Can India use this plutonium for its safeguarded reactors ??

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8379956.stm

The British Pugwash Group (BPG) says the way 100 tonnes of the deadly powder is being stored is "ludicrous".

Its experts fear the stockpile at the Sellafield nuclear site in Cumbria .....

which was reclaimed from used nuclear fuel by reprocessing, because there are no UK reactors which can use it.
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Srikumar Banerjee appointed AEC Chairman

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CHENNAI: Srikumar Banerjee, Director, Bhabha Atomic Research Centre (BARC), Trombay, has been appointed Chairman, Atomic Energy Commission (AEC). He will also be Secretary, Department of Atomic Energy (DAE). He will hold office for three years. He will take over from Anil Kakodkar on November 30 who is retiring on that day after a 45-year career in the DAE.

Dr. Banerjee, who joined BARC in 1968, is a leading expert in materials science and technology. He has made important contributions in materials-related areas, both basic and application-oriented. He earned a Ph.D. in Metallurgical Engineering in 1974 from the Indian Institute of Technology, Kharagpur.

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RaviBg wrote:Srikumar Banerjee appointed AEC Chairman
a Ph.D. in Metallurgical Engineering in 1974 from the Indian Institute of Technology, Kharagpur.
Not a nuclear physicist? Can he calculate yields?
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Edit in The Hindu (27, Nov 2009)
Last mile in the nuclear deal

There can be little question that the failure to reach agreement on the arrangements and procedures for reprocessing spent American fuel on Indian soil during Prime Minister Manmohan Singh’s visit to the United States is a let-down. The official Indian claim may be that the problems in settling the issue of reprocessing spent fuel under the 123 agreement are “minor” and of little practical significance since the U.S. and India have until February 2010 to settle matters. But the fact that the two sides were looking at the agreement as a major deliverable from the visit suggests the bilateral relationship is living on past credit rather than current commitments. The Obama administration has said and done enough in the past six months to raise doubts about its intention of sticking to the letter and spirit of the U.S. obligation to facilitate full civil nuclear cooperation with India. Getting the G8 to endorse a proposed Nuclear Suppliers Group ban on the sale of enrichment and reprocessing technology to India was not a friendly act; nor was Washington’s recent insistence that New Delhi accede to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.

The reprocessing obstacles Indian and American negotiators seem to have hit are by no means minor — assuming that India’s nuclear establishment will not dilute its stand on certain key issues. The first sticking point appears to be the U.S. demand for intrusive access to the reprocessing facilities India will be building. The Indian stand thus far has been to accept only the safeguards and protocols of the International Atomic Energy Agency. The second problem relates to the U.S. insistence on limiting the number of reprocessing facilities that can be built in relation to the reactors. If accepted, this will place unreasonable restrictions on India’s civilian reprocessing options. An unrelated but significant issue is the liability legislation that needs to be passed through Parliament and has been delayed on the Indian side. How New Delhi will go about resolving these problems in the next few weeks will be watched closely everywhere. The fact that it has the NSG waiver under its belt means it has, at least on paper, more bargaining power than it did in the past. The Department of Atomic Energy has made it clear that absent a satisfactory agreement on reprocessing under the safeguards procedures of the IAEA, there can be no import of U.S.-made light water reactors. The planned import of Russian and French reactors, and of nuclear fuel from other countries, faces no such problems and must go ahead regardless of what happens with the U.S. {May be it is not such a good idea to depend on the Russia/France deals. After a lot of investment has been made by India to buy these reactors and also build the facilities to reprocess the spent fuel from them, Russia and France can very well stall operationalising the reproc facilities. One must not forget that in spite of having friendly relations with India in other areas, they sided with the US in the past in forming the NSG aimed against India. India must strive to stand on its own when it come to critical technologies. Essentially, India does not need to take such a risk just to get the "additionality" in electric power generation which is supposed to take place within a projected pseudo schedule.} India must act on the realisation that there is no reason for it to lose sleep over the delay in settling the reprocessing issue. If anything, it is Westinghouse and General Electric that should do the worrying. Without a reprocessing deal, there can be no question of them setting up reactors on Indian soil.
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shiv wrote:
RaviBg wrote:Srikumar Banerjee appointed AEC Chairman
a Ph.D. in Metallurgical Engineering in 1974 from the Indian Institute of Technology, Kharagpur.
Not a nuclear physicist? Can he calculate yields?
If I remember correctly, he got the Shanthi Swarup Bhatnagar Award at a very young age. I think, even if he has not been formally trained in physics, because of his metallurgical background he would know a thing or two about EOS. Besides he is a product of the BARC Training School where Nuclear Physics and Reactor Physics are taught. I feel that when one is a specialist in an advanced technological area, it may not be too difficult to pickup threads in related fields, in this case, calculations pertaining to energy release in a super critical system.
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shiv wrote:
RaviBg wrote:Srikumar Banerjee appointed AEC Chairman
a Ph.D. in Metallurgical Engineering in 1974 from the Indian Institute of Technology, Kharagpur.
Not a nuclear physicist? Can he calculate yields?
So was AK!!!!!! :twisted:
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NRao wrote: So was AK!!!!!! :twisted:
Little wonder then. No?
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shiv wrote:
NRao wrote: So was AK!!!!!! :twisted:
Little wonder then. No?
Well ...................... stress analysis (AK) and seismic stuff have something in common ....................... at least?

But, IMHO, material Sci is a very valuable field under the belt.

Besides these are mostly administrative positions I would think. If he can get ENR from the US or for sure not buckle under US pressure for access to Indian N_locations, that would be good enough for now.
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nrao - I'm not being serious. Just a joke. "Nuclear science" is a lot of chemistry, metallurgy and engineering apart from the physics. No single group can have a monopoly and say the other guy's group are all nincompoops

For example Reprocessing of Plutonium (an older process apparently)
http://www.chemcases.com/nuclear/nc-08.html
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The neutron-irradiated, aluminum-clad fuel rods were removed from the reactor to a pool of water, where they remained for a number of days to allow the short-lived, high-activity fission products to decay. The aluminum casing was removed from the rods with a concentrated sodium hydroxide solution. The contents of the fuel rods were dissolved in nitric acid and, after the addition of sulfuric acid to keep the uranium and other fission products in solution, Pu4+ was coprecipitated with bismuth phosphate. The precipitate containing the plutonium was then dissolved in nitric acid and the Pu4+ was oxidized to Pu6+ with sodium dichromate. This time, the plutonium remained in solution as Pu6+ while any residual uranium and fission products were precipitated with additional bismuth phosphate. The Pu6+ was then reduced to Pu4+ and the cycle was repeated. At this point, the carrier was changed to lanthanum fluoride (LaF3) and a similar oxidation-reduction cycle was performed to achieve further purification and concentration of the plutonium.
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shiv wrote:
RaviBg wrote:Srikumar Banerjee appointed AEC Chairman
a Ph.D. in Metallurgical Engineering in 1974 from the Indian Institute of Technology, Kharagpur.
Not a nuclear physicist? Can he calculate yields?
I thought all you need is an Excell spread sheet to calculate the yield :D
(Sorry could not resist it)
Seriously, FWIW my personal opinion, SB, from those who know him or his background, commands respect. IMO he is an excellent replacement.
(I also have tremendous respect for AK)
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