Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): May 21, 2010

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 01 Jun 2010 12:49

Chinmayanand wrote: i feel Amirkhans are shit scared of pakis and all this dollar aid and military aid is nothing more than zaziya tax , US is paying for not being attacked.

Bismilla,
If you'll note the following.
GWB, bless his kind soul did two things before he and wolfowitz attacks Iraq.
1. Took care of Pakistanis nukes - PALed them, before a single US soldier landed in Afghanistan.
2. Paid off the pakistanis to keep afghanistan low key, warning them that if things go hot US's attention will again get diverted to AfPak, and pakistan won't want that. Mushy agreed and glady deposited his share in his overseas banks.

For massa, 911 was a distraction, and they had to go to Af Pak, knowing the dangers there. Iraq was on the menu all the time in reality.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 01 Jun 2010 12:51

How prominent have the Ahmediyas been in Pakistani society? I know about the nobel prize. But they are supposed to be in the armed forces and the bureaucracy too. How prominent have they been?

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 01 Jun 2010 13:52

X post:
Zaid Hamid (PBUH) holds forth on the 'piss flotilla to gaza and israeli action' issue - and almost bursts his hemorroids.

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95N5hsUz0zE
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJq0tqAjYAw
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qWvCR1beaE

AoA!

Venkarl · Post by **Venkarl** » 01 Jun 2010 14:17

Gagan Sir....Is Zaid Hamid worth a discussion on BRF?

I saw 2 videos of his BrassTacks interview...in which for every question he says
inshallah..alhumdulillah..Xlah..Ylah..Zlah..etc..hum muh thod jawab denge..aisi jawab denge ki wohlog zindagi bhar yaad rakhenge..yeh denge..woh denge..allah denge..Xdenge..Ydenge..Zdenge..

and stupid pakis comment on his videos.."Sir..I help you want to ..my number 41843276187"
{wonder what these pakis will do if they watch South Indian Dialogue Kings--> "Balakrishna""Saikumar""Rajnikanth"etc..shooting their verbal astras}

That day I have decided that this fellow is just useless and not a "tinktank"....should be shot in head and thrown to dogs...stupid b@stard.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 01 Jun 2010 14:27

Please don't 'sir' me. Gagan will do...

The guy is a 'septic tank', not a think tank. If he ever thought, he would not say the bullshit he says.

Pakistan is the leader of the muslim world! LOL made my day...
Yes it is the leader in corruption and poverty and terrorism. No wait, Somalia beats them in poverty. Too bad. But never mind, they are striving hard to be number one in that field also.

And then it all boils down to the 'present nagawaraa, nikammi hukoomat' in pakistan.
On the one hand they say that Zardari is powerless, and Kiyani has all the power, and in the same breath they say that this is all because of corrupt zardari onlee.

ZH (PBUH) has a narrow agenda - malign Zardari, blame everything on CIA-Mossad-RAW (I understand that if the milk goes sour in his house, he first rules out a YYY hand in it), and build up the image of the Pak fauj.

Good entertainment on a slow moving day.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 01 Jun 2010 14:47

vera_k wrote:
shiv wrote:If Pakistan has about 25 million firearms in private hands and a population of 160 million. 80 million are women. Probably 20 million of the remaining 80 million men are too old or too young. And that gives about one firearm for every 3 Pakistani males.

Lots of guns about. And lots of grievances.
It's unclear that the number of guns in private hands implies anything by itself. Pakistan's sponsor has lots more guns with the citizenry.

Shiv's post has pointers.

The huge number of weapons in Pakistan has fueled sectarian and regional violence.

I would like to read this the other way around.

In Pakistan, regional and sectarian differences often lead violent clashes and attacks involving guns.

The other huge difference is enforcement. It does not even merit a comparison with Pakistan.

Venkarl · Post by **Venkarl** » 01 Jun 2010 14:51

Gagan wrote:How prominent have the Ahmediyas been in Pakistani society? I know about the nobel prize. But they are supposed to be in the armed forces and the bureaucracy too. How prominent have they been?

Gagan..is this all about their prominence in Paki Society? I don't think so.....I think its about Ahmadiyyas being declared non-muslims and it is their turn now to be persecuted after Hindus and Christians in Pakistan....

Mufti Mahmud - Declaration of Ahmadis as Non-Muslim (Audio only)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbC-1dS3 ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aB6EyFMk ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH_1bPIN ... re=related

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 01 Jun 2010 15:36

hmm, I didn't know Abdus Salam was from the ahmediya community.

found this in wiki,

Salam was buried in the graveyard Bahishti Maqbara in Rabwah next to his parents' graves. The epitaph on his tomb initially read "First Muslim Nobel Laureate" but, because of Salam's adherence to the Ahmadiyya Muslim sect, the word "Muslim" was later erased on the orders of a local magistrate, leaving the non-sensical "First Nobel Laureate".[11]

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 01 Jun 2010 17:04

according to Mrs Indira Ghandi, "there exists no politician daring enough to attempt to explain to the masses that cows can be eaten,"

This is supposed to be from Oriana Fallaci's interview of Indira Gandhi, published in The New York Review of Books, September 18, 1975. The beginning of the article is here; the entirety is behind a paywall. However even the beginning has quote which (IMO) is made up.
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archive ... tion=false

But when we reached the outer door, she fell silent. An aged beggar, lying in a heap of rags, was asleep on the pavement. Beside him, a cow was evacuating its bowels, soiling him with excrement. Maybe I ought to have refrained from any comment. Instead, I murmured: “Things certainly do move a bit slowly in India.” I had barely uttered the words when five steely fingers gripped my arm and an icy voice retorted: “What do you want me to do? I’m surrounded by a bunch of idiots. And democracy.”

The above is supposed to have happened at the outer door of South Block.

Gagan · Post by **Gagan** » 01 Jun 2010 17:13

My question was more along the lines of, are the ahmediyas in high positions in the Pakistan army and the civilian bureaucracy?
These people are amongst the more well educated pakistanis, they always were. Surely they would occupy high positions in the government jobs.
Has the fact that they were declared non muslims in pakistan had an effect on their job prospects, as I assume they would have given the bigotry that exists in pakistani society?
I am trying to assess to what extent does the establishment have a hand in the current porgorm against the ahmediyas.

One assumption would be that when the Jihadi robots have been infected with the religious murder trojan by the pakistani army's intel agencies, they are on their own and will kill and maim munafiqs and quadianis at random. But is there a more targetted move here to take out the ahmediyas at the behest of the establishment as a message?

I wonder?

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 01 Jun 2010 17:22

1953 anti-Ahmediya riots were politically significant.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lahore_riots_of_1953

Maybe these attacks are too.

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 01 Jun 2010 17:26

Gagan
i know that in the 80's serving Ahmadi officers had to publicly denounce their faith and sign up for the full monty in order to maintain their status. apparently full page adverts were taken out in papers, etc. That said, I was told that it was taqiya onlee.
Over the past few years, i have seen even very educated and 'westernised' paquis retch and knee-jerk froth at the mouth at the mention of ahmadis
i wouldn't assume that (unless things get much much worse) that the ahmadi community will be any more Indian friendly than they have been historically... which is to say - not much. as others pointed out, they were impacted by partition quite a bit and were also ideologically inclined towards the land of the pure

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 01 Jun 2010 17:33

India should not feel bad when pakis do not prosecute Hafiz Saeed. They have done the same thing for unkil Ameerkhan as well

Pakistan releases man arrested in connection with Times Square bomb plot

Reporting from Islamabad, Pakistan, and Washington — Pakistani authorities have released a former Pakistani army major arrested in connection with the failed Times Square bombing in New York, saying they had determined he had no links to prime bombing suspect Faisal Shahzad.

Adnan Ahmad was detained in mid-May on suspicion of having links with Shahzad, the Pakistani American accused of rigging a Nissan Pathfinder with explosives that he tried to detonate May 1 in midtown Manhattan. Pakistani law enforcement sources said investigators suspected Ahmad because they believed he and Shahzad had exchanged cellphone calls and had met once in Islamabad.

However, those law enforcement sources said that after further investigation, Ahmad was cleared of all allegations and any links with Shahzad. He was released Thursday. His brother, Qamar Ahmad, a computer engineer, was also detained, but the sources said he was expected to be released soon.

TSPA is the holy cow no TFTA mujahid of TSPA can ever be arrested and sent to prison for waging a just gehad against kaffirs its against the ROP verse 420 chapter 13 plus challenges the honour & dignity of ghairatmand kaum

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 01 Jun 2010 18:37

Gagan, Pakistan's very first Foreign Minister Sir Zafarullah Khan was an Ahmedi. So was Feroz Khan Noon who was a Prime Minister of Pakistan. He openly supported Israel at that time. It was from Noon that Ayub Khan took over power.

Hiten · Post by **Hiten** » 01 Jun 2010 20:02

From the Tweets of ze mullah

The Color Khaki

Pakistan: A dream gone sour by fascist army

Pakistan A US-Financed Military Dictatorship

Pakistan's Narcissistic Army

Seem to be written during the reign of musharraf.

They also have a Facebook page
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=1 ... noscript=1

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 01 Jun 2010 20:17

Gagan wrote:My question was more along the lines of, are the ahmediyas in high positions in the Pakistan army and the civilian bureaucracy?
These people are amongst the more well educated pakistanis, they always were. Surely they would occupy high positions in the government jobs.
Has the fact that they were declared non muslims in pakistan had an effect on their job prospects, as I assume they would have given the bigotry that exists in pakistani society?
I am trying to assess to what extent does the establishment have a hand in the current porgorm against the ahmediyas.

One assumption would be that when the Jihadi robots have been infected with the religious murder trojan by the pakistani army's intel agencies, they are on their own and will kill and maim munafiqs and quadianis at random. But is there a more targetted move here to take out the ahmediyas at the behest of the establishment as a message?

I wonder?

Gagan, here's a link to Pakisanis discussing Ahmedis
http://pakteahouse.wordpress.com/2010/0 ... errorists/

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 01 Jun 2010 21:06

Yawnn....

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/pak-army-con ... ml?from=tn

Pak Army officers conducted Kabul attack

yvijay · Post by **yvijay** » 01 Jun 2010 21:20

^Interesting tidbit from the above link provided by Shiv:

The younger brother of Zafrulla Khan, Pakistan’s first foreign minister and author of the Lahore resolution, dead in the TERRORIST ATTACK!

These guys deserve every bit they are getting now.

sum · Post by **sum** » 01 Jun 2010 21:23

Sanku wrote:Yawnn....

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/pak-army-con ... ml?from=tn

Pak Army officers conducted Kabul attack

Did the SDREs have a hand in the pious TSPA officers coming into Afghan hands?

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 01 Jun 2010 21:38

SSridhar wrote:Gagan, Pakistan's very first Foreign Minister Sir Zafarullah Khan was an Ahmedi. So was Feroz Khan Noon who was a Prime Minister of Pakistan. He openly supported Israel at that time. It was from Noon that Ayub Khan took over power.

Zafarullah ,his younger brother died in the attack. Was he not the author Paki Lahori declaration ?
Guess Karma is a real b..itch , dont spare the culprit..

Rangudu · Post by **Rangudu** » 01 Jun 2010 21:53

http://ibnlive.in.com/news/pak-army-con ... ml?from=tn

Pak Army officers conducted Kabul attack

Sounds like BS to me. 14 officers sent for 1 attack? Don't these guys sanity check their claims before airing it?

Maybe a couple of officers oversaw 14 guys, but 14 officers may not even take part in a regular army operation of that size.

The names sound bogus as well.

Rahul Shukla · Post by **Rahul Shukla** » 01 Jun 2010 23:25

India, Pak resolve matters relating to filling of Baglihar dam (Hindustan Times)

India and Pakistan today resolved the issue relating to the initial filling of Baglihar dam in Jammu and Kashmir with the neighbouring country deciding not to raise the matter further.

A World Bank appointed expert has already given a decision in favour of India.

Islamabad had claimed it was not getting 55,000 cusecs of water at Magrala when India filled up the dam commissioned in October, 2008. India had contented that water as per the 1960 Indus Water Treaty was being provided to Pakistan.

NikhilB · Post by **NikhilB** » 01 Jun 2010 23:39

Ahemids' response to lahore attack:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-LMEwID ... re=related

See the comments section. I beleive they are genunie comments from Ahmedis community and they are genuniney concerned with siutation. I watched few other videos and found that Ahmedis are surprisingly very clam community - they dont indulge in revenge. Of course they are in very small number and almost entire state apartus is against them. However, is there any chance of expoliting this crack further ?

Rahul Shukla · Post by **Rahul Shukla** » 01 Jun 2010 23:47

Talking to the Taliban: The Fog of Peace - Michael Brenner (Huffington Post)

One, who are 'we?' Washington and Karzai, supposedly fated partners, have very different ideas as to what constitutes conditions for productive talks. Then there is Pakistan - at once 'we' and 'they.' Equally, they all three hold divergent notions of what an acceptable outcome is.

Two, who are the 'Taliban?' This proper noun has multiple antecedents. Are 'we' differentiating among 'hard core' Taliban, 'soft core' Taliban and 'convenience' Taliban? Are 'we' certain where the political demarcation lines run between the Afghan 'Taliban" and the Pakistani 'Taliban?' How do any or all of them relate to al-Qaidi?

Three ... what is 'success' and what is 'failure?' What is a reasonable objective and what isn't? Over what time frame? President Obama never has defined success -- except that he'll recognize it when he sees it. Will he also recognize failure when he sees it? Is the former simply a spinnable result and the latter an unspinnable result? Frankly, there is good reason to think that these definitions will depend on the results of the off-year elections, his re-election strategy, and what happens on other fronts: Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, Palestine (abroad) and a host of things at home.

Four, the fundamental intellectual sin of our leaders has been their intention to leave cloudy how much of a terrorist threat from Afghanistan - or elsewhere - we can tolerate... If the tolerance threshold for terrorism is located anywhere above zero, a wide range of possibilities open themselves...

That is the sine qua non for serious diplomacy. Of course, Obama also will have to come up with an explanation of why and how Americans must accept a measure of vulnerability... For who knows when the next ace bomber may show up - with or without having mastered the 'some assembly required' instructions. If Obama's luck turns bad, the guy will make an appearance in October 2012. If his streak of good luck holds, bin Laden's corpse will show up either the week before or the week after.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 01 Jun 2010 23:50

Non-payment of salaries and other debts
http://nabihameher.wordpress.com/2010/0 ... employees/

Those of us who have been in the workforce for even a few years know that even when your own relatives promise to pay you, the chances of getting what you deserve are not exactly high. And the richer the person, the lower the chances of ever seeing a penny, at least in Lahore. It’s a sad reflection of what being Punjabi is.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 02 Jun 2010 00:01

Al-Qaida's third in command killed

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 02 Jun 2010 00:06

Rahul M wrote:hmm, I didn't know Abdus Salam was from the ahmediya community.
:

When he went to India, Indira Gandhi prepared coffee for him and sat at his feet.

In Pakistan however, he was almost jailed for saying kalima
http://pakistaniat.com/2006/11/22/abdus-salam-physics/

Dr Abdus Salam got his Nobel Prize for Physics in 1979. It was a most embarrassing moment for General Zia who had “supplemented” the Second Amendment to the constitution with further comic disabilities against the Ahmedis. He had to welcome the great scientist and had to be seen with him on TV. Since the clerical part of his government was already bristling, he took care to clip those sections of Dr Salam’s speech where he had said the kalima or otherwise used an Islamic expression. It was Dr Salam’s good luck that one of the believers did not go to court under Zia’s own laws to get the country’s only Nobel laureate sent to prison for six months of rigorous imprisonment. Dr Salam then went to India where he was received with great fanfare. He had gone there to simply meet his primary school mathematics teacher who was still alive. When the two met, Dr Salam took off his Nobel medal and put it around the neck of his teacher.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 02 Jun 2010 00:29

SSridhar wrote:Gagan, Pakistan's very first Foreign Minister Sir Zafarullah Khan was an Ahmedi. So was Feroz Khan Noon who was a Prime Minister of Pakistan. He openly supported Israel at that time. It was from Noon that Ayub Khan took over power.

To add to above from wiki: (Apart from Abdus Salam)
Muhammad Zafrulla Khan – first Foreign Minister of Pakistan (1947–54), President of the UN General Assembly (1962–64), President of the International Court of Justice (1970–73)
Akhtar Hussain Malik – lieutenant general of the TSPA , 1965 war coward
M M Ahmad – prominent civil servant of Pakistan and former executive director and vice president of the World Bank
Iftikhar Janjua – major general of the TSPA ; 1965 war coward, killed in 1971 war
Abdul Ali Malik – war coward of Chawinda, 1965 Indo-Pakistan war
Khwaja Kamal-ud-Din – lawyer; founder of the Woking Muslim Mission in UK; founder of The Islamic Review; companion of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad; leader of Lahori group
Dr. Basharat Ahmad – prominent religious scholar and author; companion of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad
Naseer Ahmad Faruqui – chief election commissioner Pakistan, (d. 6 December 1991)
Maulana Muhammad Ali – religious scholar and first Muslim author of an English-language translation of the Qur'an; leader of Lahori group
Obaidullah Aleem – famous Urdu poet

Abdullah Yusuf – ex-chairman, Federal Board of Revenue of Pakistan
Shams-ul-Haq Khan – Pakistani journalist; started career with the Civil and Military Gazette; bureau chief for the Daily Dawn; columnist for The Friday Crimes; president of the Balochistan Union of Journalists[94]

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 02 Jun 2010 00:43

Whats a war coward? New type of honor?

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 02 Jun 2010 00:46

Also - fairly well known - that the tombstone of Salam says "First Nobel Laureate in the world" which makes little sense if one did not know that "Muslim" word (First "~~Muslim~~ Nobel Laureate in the world") was officially scratched out after the engraving.

Link:http://pakistaniat.com/2006/11/22/abdus-salam-physics/

Added Later: The picture of the tombstone:
salam_deface_grave

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 02 Jun 2010 00:49

on the orders of a local magistrate no less !

war coward is opposite of war hero ? hmm, that means the whole TSPA I guess.

Jaspreet · Post by **Jaspreet** » 02 Jun 2010 00:56

war coward is opposite of war hero ? hmm, that means the whole TSPA I guess

Minus the few the Indian army recommended for bravery.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 02 Jun 2010 01:09

From the link I posted above -

In Jhang, for example, where Dr Salam grew up as a precocious child, the schools that he endowed with scholarships and grants now teach communal hatred rather than the love that he had in mind when he gave them his money.

Wah-re-wah pakistan ----(Keep in mind Dr. Salam gave lot of mony/time for bright students - specially from Pak)

Mahendra · Post by **Mahendra** » 02 Jun 2010 01:13

Gagan wrote:X post:
Zaid Hamid (PBUH) holds forth on the 'piss flotilla to gaza and israeli action' issue - and almost bursts his hemorroids.

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95N5hsUz0zE
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJq0tqAjYAw
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qWvCR1beaE

AoA!

Prophet Zaid Zaman ( Piles be upon his hole) is getting very boring now and is losing his entertainment value. I don't know if the Egyptian ambassador to the Land of pure barbarians would be happy with what the Prophet ( piles be upon his hole) has to say about the Egyptians.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 02 Jun 2010 01:18

Abdus Salam was a nice and open minded person in real life, as anyone who is acquainted with his life story is aware. an interesting snippet is the fact that an israeli, Yuvaal Neeman did pioneering work now called eightfold way under the guidance of Abdus Salam. the interesting bit was that Neeman was one time commander of the IDF givati brigade who fought in the 1948 war and at the time of his PhD under Salam he was israel's military attache in the UK !

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 02 Jun 2010 02:01

Where is my military coup?
http://criticalppp.org/lubp/archives/12125

Nandu · Post by **Nandu** » 02 Jun 2010 03:18

Amber G. wrote:
Added Later: The picture of the tombstone:
salam_deface_grave

The pic on the wikipedia page is bigger and you can actually read the inscription.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Grave ... _Salam.jpg

Rahul Shukla · Post by **Rahul Shukla** » 02 Jun 2010 04:10

^^^

I'm curious to know if the same editing was done in the Urdu version above. Can someone please confirm for this ignorant infidel.

Btw, no disrespect intended for the Nobel laureate but "...greatest scientist of all time who proved the unity of God"?

anupmisra · Post by **anupmisra** » 02 Jun 2010 05:05

SSridhar wrote:Gagan, Pakistan's very first Foreign Minister Sir Zafarullah Khan was an Ahmedi. So was Feroz Khan Noon who was a Prime Minister of Pakistan.

Did not the constitution of the pure from its formation always forbid a non-muslim from becoming its prime minister or was it a zia effect?

shaardula · Post by **shaardula** » 02 Jun 2010 05:15

the urdu section has no tampered/blurred section or parts. but i dont know if urdu section is a literal translation of the english version.
i dont want to do an equal equal. but ahmediyyas are hounded by majority muslims in india as well. i have pointed this many times, last year was shia and sunni groups joined forces and hounded out ahmediyas from having their annual convention - in KA and in AP. when it happened it was briefly covered by local papers, but the national media did not find it worth pursuing.

rangudu-gaaru,
is it not big? actual military/isi personnel being caught red handed?