Indian Army : News and Discussion

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 28 Mar 2012 16:26

Army Chief General VK Singh visits Chinar Corp HQ

awesome pic in image thread in few mins.

Kanson · Post by **Kanson** » 28 Mar 2012 16:28

chackojoseph wrote:Arun Roperia and nelson,

Mr Antony said: “I acted on my judgment. If I am wrong, you may punish me. I think I have done my best.”
Why is that so difficult to understand?

Right from the beginning I have blamed both AKA and VKS for omission.

I also said

I still stand by the two honest people for the omission, as they have done a larger good for the nation.

The VKS insubordination replies are only for the 'extreme' counter debaters. I have used that repeatedly to point out that there is mistake from both sides. They just let off VKS for free and assign blame to AKA. I am of the view that both are guilty of omission, so the question of me taking side of AKA or VKs does not arise.

let us see if VKS has a counter to AKA, as claimed by some folks. Only then we can decide.[/quote]

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Chacko if I point out, AKA by saying "acted on my judgement", he is agreeing to not to pursue the matter even when, as per him, VKS didn't take action.

Viewing AKA action independently, argument is AKA failed by all counts. His judgement is totally dubious which peter explained by quoting various statements and actions of AKA.

On the exchange between AKA and VKS - we don't have complete information. People close to VKS are telling that what AKA told in parliament is not correct. Considering AKA gave false information on VKS DoB in Parliament, I give benefit of doubt to VKS becoz AKA is at fault by all counts.

Second, people explained rules and regulation stipulating limitations of COAS in initiating actions on such matter. Do you have your information from such angle? I mean limitations of VKS?

Thanks.

So thats the difference between your stand and other poster's stand on this issue.

Kanson · Post by **Kanson** » 28 Mar 2012 16:33

One thing I observed and heard is VKS follows every rule in the book in escalating the matter, step by step, like sama dhana beda danda. You can see for yourself in DoB issue. I think in this case of disclosing TATRA scam too I like to see it that way.

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 28 Mar 2012 16:52

One thing I keep observing is there are many unknown unknowns never make it to public. It ends up in some top order muddle. This is sad, while the insider job-ers continue to make merry. Whoever is responsible, in the middle muddle needs to be exposed. For this, the ministries have to frame the laws in such a manner that neither tatras nor the IA chief nor any minister, can rattle up this way. If there is a loophole, fix it. make it process proof is the way, but is the hardest way to get it right. We have no other choice, having been in this type of democracy for decades.

We should not have the wrong doers hide under any muddle!!! so, everybody is guilty until proven is not a bad idea. Be it AKA, IA chief, MMS or Sonia, or the whole billion.

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 28 Mar 2012 16:58

Kanson wrote:Chacko if I point out, AKA by saying "acted on my judgement", he is agreeing to not to pursue the matter even when, as per him, VKS didn't take action.

Viewing AKA action independently, argument is AKA failed by all counts. His judgement is totally dubious which peter explained by quoting various statements and actions of AKA.

On the exchange between AKA and VKS - we don't have complete information. People close to VKS are telling that what AKA told in parliament is not correct. Considering AKA gave false information on VKS DoB in Parliament, I give benefit of doubt to VKS becoz AKA is at fault by all counts.

Second, people explained rules and regulation stipulating limitations of COAS in initiating actions on such matter. Do you have your information from such angle? I mean limitations of VKS?

Thanks.

So thats the difference between your stand and other poster's stand on this issue.

AKA admitted to the particular question in parliament and it is left open to all kinds of interpretations. While I give him a standing ovation, others are free to gift him a bulls eye. What ultimately will prevail is the records existing that time. Both ruling and opposition does not find him in a 'severe' violation and don't question his integrity. It is an act of omission.

I still have no idea what the poster stand is. frankly.

On VKS. he could have taken a recluse and taken forward an inquiry. As I maintain, if he left the abuser of Indian Army chief's post alone, then it is his fault. No tongue biting on it. Like you assign a moral and procedural reason on AKA, the same lies with VKS.

IIRC, the recluse was an option suggested for DoB issue too. He did not take the option. Why? may be he does not want the Army chief's chair to be questioned by juniors?

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 28 Mar 2012 17:39

Chacko what was Gen VKS option that he did not do? In either case? Please tell?

nelson · Post by **nelson** » 28 Mar 2012 17:40

^^You mean 'recusal'?

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 28 Mar 2012 18:13

nelson wrote:^^You mean 'recusal'?

To be frank I did not quite understand what chacko was trying to say.

However, whether or not the opposition found AKA as grossly negligent or only minorly oversightful is not the issue --> the issue is that there exist some really shady forces within Congress govt backing the dalals, the middlemen and the looters of public exchequer at the cost of Indian defence's well being.

As a Def Min, AKA is responsible, whether he be a good man or the bad. He is THE BOSS.

He cant beat the drum of "civilian supremacy" one day while arbitrarily and illegally ordering the Adjut Gen branch to change the record one day, and the other refuse to step up and own responsibility.

When it comes to screwing around with merit based promotion it is "civilian authority" and when it comes to sitting on cases where CBI should be called in it is " Army should take care"

This is despicable -- for all the good intentions (my take is AKA is charting a tough course between 2Gs desires and his own drive to do the right thing for India) -- we expect AKA to really back the right causes -- if not, no different from Man mohan who gets scribes to brow beat his own chief in media (and his own head of DAE, Kakodakar) because they stand against his views of a "new and improved" India.

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 28 Mar 2012 18:14

nelson wrote:^^You mean 'recusal'?

Yep. If you remember same happened when CB Bhave was SEBi chief and he was being tried for his NSDL misdead.

Sanku, ^^^^^^ is one of the options IMO.

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 28 Mar 2012 18:17

Sanku wrote: the issue is that there exist some really shady forces within Congress govt backing the dalals, the middlemen and the looters of public exchequer at the cost of Indian defence's well being.

Even I don't understand your point. I can't find either VKS, AKA or Opposition mentioning it.

rajrang · Post by **rajrang** » 28 Mar 2012 19:35

sum wrote:97 per cent of India's air defence is OBSOLETE: Gen Singh

In a letter dated March 12, Army Chief General V K Singh has warned Prime Minister Manmohan Singh that the country's security is at risk.

The letter states that Indian army tanks have run out of ammunition, and emphasises on overcoming the shortcomings, and bring the army to fighting level.

Singh also calls almost 97 per cent of the air defence as obsolete, and the elite special forces are short of weapons.
More skeletons tumbling out..

Breach of protocol/discipline - poor judgment again!

rajrang · Post by **rajrang** » 28 Mar 2012 19:43

Pranav wrote:Uproar in Parliament, demanding sacking of Army Chief for "gross indiscipline" - http://news24online.com/PrintReport.aspx?NewsID=41811

PM holds meet; will govt sack Army Chief? - http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/pm ... 66606.html

I can hardly recall a time when politicians from across the spectrum have demanded firing an army chief in India. Mr. VKS's tamasha continues all in the name of fighting wrongs!

nelson · Post by **nelson** » 28 Mar 2012 19:54

rajrang wrote:
Pranav wrote:Uproar in Parliament, demanding sacking of Army Chief for "gross indiscipline" - http://news24online.com/PrintReport.aspx?NewsID=41811

PM holds meet; will govt sack Army Chief? - http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/pm ... 66606.html
I can hardly recall a time when politicians from across the spectrum have demanded firing an army chief in India. Mr. VKS's tamasha continues all in the name of fighting wrongs!

yeah, that is called ganging up. and what they have been doing to this country is g@ngr@pe. so, your position as a citizen is, 'when you can't avoid r@pe, enjoy it' . but there are people who can stand up against it for themselves and for deadweight like you.

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 28 Mar 2012 20:00

"i am ashamed that Army has been in wrong news for past 6 months," Abhishekh Singhvi Congress. I hope Congress realises how we are subject to their wrong news for past so many years.

nelson · Post by **nelson** » 28 Mar 2012 20:14

Before letter to PM, Army Chief had written to Antony on 10 issues that are degrading army capability.

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/gen-v ... y/919778/0

The same was reported on this thread and adjacent ones too.

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 6#p1251326

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 9#p1251439

Quote from the article

The detailed letter sent last month points out 10 critical issues that the Army has been pushing for the past two years, which need to be addressed urgently to regain the combat edge of the force.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 28 Mar 2012 21:05

Two points;

1) In the Hindu article posted by Philip, the basis of Mr Ravi Rishi's assent to wealth is his connection to Rajiv Gandhi in choosing the Tatra truck in 1986. Rajiv Gandhi increased in India Crony -Kleptalism.

Crony-Kleptalism = Accumulating wealth by proximity to polticial power by means of stealing national resources.

By the way JL Nehru ushered this in with many saandals in his time: Jeep, Mundhra LIC, Teja Shipping Corp etc..

2) I had many times said that UPA underfunds and delays necessary arms procurements as a CBM to assure that Cold Start can never take place.

Time and again a corruption charge will be brought in at eleventh hour and the deal cancelled and the chosen arms dealer black listed. This keeps the AKA image clean and keeps the military under prepared. Meantime other branches of the UPA keep looting (Telecom, Coal, Civil Aviation etc) while AKA keeps up the clean image.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 28 Mar 2012 21:22

ramana wrote:Two points;

1) In the Hindu article posted by Philip, the basis of Mr Ravi Rishi's assent to wealth is his connection to Rajiv Gandhi in choosing the Tatra truck in 1986. Rajiv Gandhi increased in India Crony -Kleptalism.

Crony-Kleptalism = Accumulating wealth by proximity to political power by means of stealing national resources.

By the way JL Nehru ushered this in with many scandals in his time: Jeep, Mundhra LIC, Teja Shipping Corp etc..

2) I had many times said that UPA underfunds and delays necessary arms procurements as a CBM to assure that Cold Start can never take place.

Time and again a corruption charge will be broguht in at eleventh hour and the deal cancelled and the chosen arms dealer balck listed. This keeps the AKA image clean and keep tthe military under prepared. Meantime other branches of the UPA keep looting (Telecom, Coal, Civil Aviation etc) while AKA keeps up the clean image.

Well said Sirjee, and sadly how true it has been over the years..

A very economical way to prevent modernization of the IA. Even the pakis couldn't have played it better. or have they??

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 28 Mar 2012 21:25

rajrang wrote: I can hardly recall a time when politicians from across the spectrum have demanded firing an army chief in India. Mr. VKS's tamasha continues all in the name of fighting wrongs!

You call the stand taken by VKS as tamasha? Tell you what - your post is symptomatic of the actual tamasha being played out in the media and the champions of protocol and civilian supremacy. Since when have politicians become the paragon of virtue and barometer of honesty? Each man is corrupt to the boot and you're calling an honest soldier "tamasha" basis this ridiculous "ganging up of thieves"? Seriously, how idiotic can you get?

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 28 Mar 2012 21:41

I think it is not one can of worms here.

chaanakya · Post by **chaanakya** » 28 Mar 2012 21:44

TimesNow reports that Letter might have been leaked from MoD as Army made it very clear that it was not leaked from Army HQ. MoD could do it to keep COAS on backfoot. Hmmm..

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 28 Mar 2012 21:52

er if the Army chief says that the army is in a sorry state and needs help and members of parliament say that the army chief should be dismissed for saying that, does it mean that the army chief is wrong about the army and that MPs know better about how the army is?

Lets hear some names of MPS who have said that so that we can serially remove their chaddis and post images.

Kailash · Post by **Kailash** » 28 Mar 2012 21:58

Politicians are indeed ganging up. AKA wants to be pure and unsullied, doesn't mean that he, or anyone else, could **** with the country's operational readiness.

The procurement system is flawed and it is the job if the ministry and constitution to put it back on track. You can not keep blacklisting every vendor and not invest enough funds into indigenous research. It is not a problem to be solved by IA. But it is affecting IAs operational readiness, and hence very much their (IAs) problem.

VKS tried to bring it to the notice of the defence ministry. Nothing happened. As he was already locked in a legal row with them, cant expect much cooperation from ministry. The only person he could take matters to was the PM. Again his concerns have not been against AKA, but the procurement system and preparedness

rajrang · Post by **rajrang** » 28 Mar 2012 22:01

rohitvats wrote:
rajrang wrote: I can hardly recall a time when politicians from across the spectrum have demanded firing an army chief in India. Mr. VKS's tamasha continues all in the name of fighting wrongs!
You call the stand taken by VKS as tamasha? Tell you what - your post is symptomatic of the actual tamasha being played out in the media and the champions of protocol and civilian supremacy. Since when have politicians become the paragon of virtue and barometer of honesty? Each man is corrupt to the boot and you're calling an honest soldier "tamasha" basis this ridiculous "ganging up of thieves"? Seriously, how idiotic can you get?

Rohitvats - please watch your language!

India (like all democracies) has always had its problems - dishonesty, corruption etc. I certainly agree with you on that 200%. The tamasha of politicians has been going on for decades with no end in sight. I also agree with you completely on that. (Note, however that on the plus side, this tamasha has provided a lot of laughter for millions of Indians and thereby improved the happiness index of Indians significantly! Should we thank the politicians for that?)

However, remember both the defense and prime ministers of India are honest men. Remember also that the IA is one of the few institutions in India that is highly respected, trusted and is called on to protect the country's interests and safety repeatedly. The chief of such an army should command the respect of Indians next only to Mahatma Gandhi. Now suddenly an army chief comes along and tries to solve all the above problems. It is not his job to do so! He is bypassing the defense minister and writing to the PM directly. Embarrasing them (his boss and his boss's boss) repeatedly and putting them in a spot is the consequence. In a private sector job he would have been fired a long time back. Many have admonished him - politicians across the spectrum, the supreme court, the press. What more do you need? Are they all ganging up on him?

All the above issues have been thoroughly discussed in BR and I do not want to discuss them again - I also am aware that my views are contrary to the vast majority on BR - and with all respects to your opinion and others on BR I will refrain from getting into a debate.

brvarsh · Post by **brvarsh** » 28 Mar 2012 22:06

Can't understand how come some third front type small political parties are so vociferous in their demand for removing Gen VKS? Wasn't Mulayam Singh Yadav at one point Raksha Mantri? And why are they making such a hue and cry? Indian Army has always been ready for "that one nation", even today and even at night. But what about two front war? Do we really have enough Gola-Barood? The behavior of these parliamentarians is pathetic and if something needs a change is this very institution.

Surya · Post by **Surya** » 28 Mar 2012 22:11

However, remember both the defense and prime ministers of India are honest men.

wrong and herein lies the problem

they are not honest men

Honest man standing on sidelines while the republic is looted and taken to the gutter ARE not honest men

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 28 Mar 2012 22:15

Well the letter was sent to the PM. Why not the PMO then?

anjan · Post by **anjan** » 28 Mar 2012 23:05

I don't get the hullabaloo over the leaked letter (even though I'll vote for PMO as leaker). It's not like adversaries aren't fully aware of our shortcomings. It's next to impossible to hide most of the things mentioned there. So who are they hiding it from? Us? The people? They are so blue in the face because, we citizens are now being made aware of the poor pathetic state to which our Army has been allowed to fall?

nelson · Post by **nelson** » 28 Mar 2012 23:15

^Right. As a matter of fact, i find the contents of the letter routine, those that need to be conveyed at the end of one's tenure, before handing over charge. he will apprise his successor of the efforts taken and what is still required to be done. there would be similar letters written from the same office at other points of time too.

Given the animosity and trust deficit, had the contents of the letter or the channel followed been abnormal, Mr AK Antony would have issued a show cause notice to VKS by now.

ShauryaT · Post by **ShauryaT** » 28 Mar 2012 23:32

Even if this letter is personally leaked by the chief, I support the COAS.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 28 Mar 2012 23:41

Times Now,Arnab G, is waving a letter purporting to be an open offer from the Italian-Anglo manufafcturer of helos,AW offering commissions for helos (8% for helos and 15% for spares) and demanding why the acquisition of VVIP helos should not be investigated based upon the letter,supposedly contravening the directives of the MOD to suppliers/manufacturers. While the US rejected /cancelled the deal for the same helo (Merlin)/AW-101/EH-101) for Marine Corps-1 for the US president,,partly due to its cost,we on the other hand have ordered 12! Looking at VVIP configured MI-17s at Aero-India's,very posh and luxurious inside,and a helo that AWST says is the "darling" of forces operating from Iraq to Af-Pak,giving ulcers to Sikorsky which cannot compete with it,surely we could've ordered MI-17VVIP helos at a fraction of the cost of the AWs.

Coming back to the Tatra alleged scam,the owner of Tatra has denied on the same channel any wrongdoing and has sensationally accused Gen. AKS of being corrupt favouring the Ural truck,where he built up a "good friendship" with Ural during his stint in Calcutta.He also alleges that Gen.VKS conducted trials of the Ural trucks without getting MOD sanction for the same.He further says that there have been NO reports of substandard trucks,etc., throughout the Tatra supplies to the IA. Talking heads on the show have drawn attention to the
"perfect storm" timing of the revelations,while the BRICS summit is to take place in Delhi with the eyes of the world on India and the BRICS nations,plus the fact that it is another massive blow coming just after the latest mother-of-all scams,the coal scam,and also during the Def-Expo also being held in Delhi!

Back to the letter ,"top secret" to the PM.It was written after Gen.VKS was shafted by the GOI/MOD over the issue of his DOB and smacks of revenge.It must be ascertained how many times the good general brought up these very same points with his DM and the PM earlier,not at the fag end of his tenure as chief,when a chief is generally in the throes of organising matters relating to his retirement .The delays and obfuscating of critical needs of the services are too well known and have been for many years.What gen.VKS should've done,perhaps he did and one hopes so,is to have written to the PM right after assuming office,well knowing the time it takes to get decisions relating to defence in India.

According to some talking heads,we are going to see more skeletons and allegations of corruption in defence .Frankly,the latest scams are the "iceberg" that will sink INS UPA-2 and "Capt.Singh",like his counterpart on the Titanic is merrily sailing along at full speed (at the behest of the ship's owner?) regardless of the damage caused to his ship.Who will survive the catastrophe in the making is a moot point.Ironically,the re-release of the film "Titanic" this time in full 3-D has just hit the screens in India!

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 28 Mar 2012 23:43

chackojoseph wrote:
Sanku wrote: the issue is that there exist some really shady forces within Congress govt backing the dalals, the middlemen and the looters of public exchequer at the cost of Indian defence's well being.
Even I don't understand your point. I can't find either VKS, AKA or Opposition mentioning it.

Well Ramana spelt it out pretty clearly once again. Read this.

ramana wrote:Two points;

1) In the Hindu article posted by Philip, the basis of Mr Ravi Rishi's assent to wealth is his connection to Rajiv Gandhi in choosing the Tatra truck in 1986. Rajiv Gandhi increased in India Crony -Kleptalism.

Crony-Kleptalism = Accumulating wealth by proximity to polticial power by means of stealing national resources.

By the way JL Nehru ushered this in with many sacndals in his time: Jeep, Mundhra LIC, Teja Shipping Corp etc..

2) I had many times said that UPS underfunds and delays necessary arms procurements as a CBM to assure that Cold Start can never take place.

Time and again a corruptioin charge willbe broguht in at eleventh hour and the deal cancelled and the chosen arms dealer balck listed. This keeps the AKA image clean and keep tthe military under prepared. Meantime other branches of the UPA keep looting (Telecom, Coal, Civil Aviation etc) while AKA keeps up the clean image.

Hope this helps in clearing up. Although Ramana has been very polite in his characterization.

ManuJ · Post by **ManuJ** » 28 Mar 2012 23:44

Surya wrote:
However, remember both the defense and prime ministers of India are honest men.
wrong and herein lies the problem

they are not honest men

Honest man standing on sidelines while the republic is looted and taken to the gutter ARE not honest men

Exactly! Needs to be understood by all.

Any respect I had for MMS and AKA in the past has long evaporated. They are all frontmen guarding the sorry reputation of the Congress Royal Family and their cronies.

AKA clearly says in an interview that he forwards ALL complaints, even anonymous ones, to CBI for investigation. That's how a completely spineless and clueless man behaves, not an honest one.

AKA is only concerned about his personal reputation and his party's reputation. He has proved again and again that he is not capable of putting the country above all other things which is what his job demands. Same goes for MMS.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 28 Mar 2012 23:46

Philip wrote: Back to the letter ,"top secret" to the PM.It was written after Gen.VKS was shafted by the GOI/MOD over the issue of his DOB and smacks of revenge.It must be ascertained how many times the good general brought up these very same points with his DM and the PM earlier,not at the fag end of his tenure as chief,when a chief is generally in the throes of organising matters relating to his retirement .

Philip you must not say characterize Gen VKS action one way or the other while saying we still need to ascertain the facts.

In any case the facts are ascertained, he had been writing to DM for the longest time, and EVEN IN THIS CASE the letter was routed through DM.

The leak is fun part, not the letter, and Gen VK Singh does not leak to do this.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 28 Mar 2012 23:49

rajrang wrote:
Rohitvats - please watch your language!
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Actually rohitvats has been very polite, your nonsense required in reality a far more earthy response.

You are no different from Congress mouthpieces like Digvijay Singh who make a assertions completely devoid of facts only to besmirch the reputations of good honest patriotic Indians.

nelson · Post by **nelson** » 29 Mar 2012 00:01

@Philip
How does Mr Ravi Rishi know there was no sanction from MoD. He must have followed the RTI route, right.
There are certain Army Commanders who have what is called Special Powers Fund, to procure necessary equipment without waiting for the organised purchase through MoD. Could the trials have been done for that purpose. But what bothers Mr Rishi.
If Mr Rishi and Co is confident of what he is alleging, why did he wait for this day to raise this? The same question that you and the talking heads are asking VKS. Or better still why does he not file a suit for damages on violation of the 10 year contract, tomorrow? And may be defamation case a la Tejinder? He will not dare to, because he knows that his geese will be cooked.

Actually with what he has uttered, his goose is ready to be cooked.

ShauryaT · Post by **ShauryaT** » 29 Mar 2012 00:02

Having already pre-stated my position, I am still curious to know the source of the leak. Which media outlet / reporter first go it?

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 29 Mar 2012 00:04

rajrang wrote: India (like all democracies) has always had its problems

EVM-ocracy is the word you need to use

nachiket · Post by **nachiket** » 29 Mar 2012 00:05

rajrang wrote: However, remember both the defense and prime ministers of India are honest men.

And you know this how? The current PM is leading THE most corrupt government in Indian history by far. He is either corrupt himself or willing to look over the crimes of his ministers.

The chief of such an army should command the respect of Indians next only to Mahatma Gandhi. Now suddenly an army chief comes along and tries to solve all the above problems. It is not his job to do so!

Wrong! The chief of the army should look after the army and make sure it is in a fit state to protect the country. It is very much his job to make sure the political leaders are aware of any shortcomings which they alone can address.

He is bypassing the defense minister and writing to the PM directly. Embarrasing them (his boss and his boss's boss) repeatedly and putting them in a spot is the consequence.

Don't make up stuff as you want. Read the posts before yours. Here, this is what nelson posted a few posts above yours:

nelson wrote:Before letter to PM, Army Chief had written to Antony on 10 issues that are degrading army capability.

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/gen-v ... y/919778/0

The same was reported on this thread and adjacent ones too.

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 6#p1251326

http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 9#p1251439

Quote from the article
The detailed letter sent last month points out 10 critical issues that the Army has been pushing for the past two years, which need to be addressed urgently to regain the combat edge of the force.

Clearly the rasksha mantri wasn't up to the task (perhaps because he is more interested in maintaining a spotless image than actually getting stuff done) which is why the General had to go to his boss.

nelson · Post by **nelson** » 29 Mar 2012 00:06

People need to read this in full.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/a ... epage=true

More importantly...

The letter may have painted a grim picture but, sources say, it is the practice for service chiefs to write to the Prime Minister shortly before they retire on the state of the fighting arm they head. This letter is also similar to a letter Gen. Singh wrote to Mr. Antony last month and, which too, appeared in a newspaper, and contains much of what the Army had shared with the Defence Ministry and the National Security Council last year.

and this
http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 1#p1261481

PS: This besmirching campaign does not make any difference to the gentleman in the target, he will take his pension go to retire in Jhumri Tilaiya to spend his retirement with his grandchildren. The difference he is trying to make is for this nation, you and me. If BRFites do not understand this, i have no hope for rest of the country.

ManuJ · Post by **ManuJ** » 29 Mar 2012 00:07

The real disappointment in this whole affair has been the media.

All the mainstream media, including Indian Express, India Today, Times of India, etc. have proven beyond doubt how completely they are owned by politicians.

No attempt at investigative or objective journalism and utterly one-sided coverage. Like tame parrots, they just print whatever bulls@it the politicians utter. Most of the people working at the big-name media houses are just bigoted reporters, not journalists.

It is a pity that I find that BBC provides me better coverage of important Indian events and a more balanced analysis than any big-name Indian newspaper.

With the PR machinery of the entire nation at its disposal, the Govt. should easily succeed in convincing the common man that it is the wronged party. Hell, it has already convinced some of the BR members, so the rest of the public should be a cakewalk.