Boston Bombing Followup Thread

[Anujan]

^^^
My thoughts exactly.

I cant even make Aviyal or Pongal in a pressure cooker after reading the recipe on the internet. The Chechen jihadis managed to make a remote controlled bomb in a pressure cooker after reading the recipe online?!

[RoyG]

Homeland security official on NPR this morning claimed the two may have gotten training in Afghanistan/Pakistan due to detonation pattern and design of bombs.

[Garooda]

Pretty interesting that the uncle was once married to the daughter of a CIA official Below link has lot more info on the Uncle who appeared on the TV after the incident.

Uncle_And_CIA

Ruslan Tsarni married the daughter of former top CIA official Graham Fuller, who spent 20 years as operations officer in Turkey, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Afghanistan, and Hong Kong. In 1982 Fuller was appointed the National Intelligence Officer for Near East and South Asia at the CIA, and in 1986, under Ronald Reagan, he became the Vice-Chairman of the National Intelligence Council, with overall responsibility for national level strategic forecasting.

At the time of their marriage, Ruslan Tsarni was known as Ruslan Tsarnaev, the same last name as his nephews Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, the alleged bombers.

It is unknown when he changed his last name to Tsarni.

What is known is that sometime in the early 1990’s, while she was a graduate student in North Carolina, and he was in law school at Duke, Ruslan Tsarnaev met and married Samantha Ankara Fuller, the daughter of Graham and Prudence Fuller of Rockville Maryland. Her middle name suggests a reference to one of her father’s CIA postings.

The couple divorced sometime before 2004.

Ancestry



Whats more interesting is the Uncle was the one to bring up the 'Misha' character AKA Mikhail Allakhverdov into the interview and investigations. Something doesn't seem right with the uncle upto certain extent.

Misha_AKA_Mikhail_Allakhverdov

Allakhverdov said he had known Tamerlan in Boston, where he lived until about three years ago, and has not had any contact with him since. He declined to describe the nature of his acquaintance with Tamerlan or the Tsarnaev family, but said he had never met the family members who are now accusing him of radicalizing Tamerlan. He also confirmed he had been interviewed by the FBI and that he has cooperated with the investigation:

I’ve been cooperating entirely with the FBI. I gave them my computer and my phone and everything I wanted to show I haven’t done anything. And they said they are about to return them to me. And the agents who talked told me they are about to close my case.

An FBI spokesman in Boston declined to comment on an ongoing case. Allakhverdov’s statements, however, seemed to bear out recent reports that the FBI have not found any connection between “Misha” and the bomb plot.

One question is why members of the Tsarnaev family have made accusations about Allakhverdov. A close friend of the family in Boston said that Misha was not known to have visited Tamerlan at home. I interviewed Allakhverdov in Russian and it seems likely that in whatever contact the two men had, they would have spoken Russian.

[BijuShet]

^^^ any source please. We have too much speculation going on in this thread.

From Boston Globe news article (posting in full) : Police probe possible link between Marathon bomber and unsolved triple homicide in Waltham

Tie sought between brother, 3 killings
By Michael Rezendes and Bob Hohler
Globe Staff / April 22, 2013

It was one of the most gruesome killings in Greater Boston in many years: three young men found with their throats slit inside a Waltham apartment on a quiet residential street, their bodies sprinkled with marijuana.

Now, police and prosecutors are stepping up their investigation into the unsolved 2011 triple homicide at the request of victims’ relatives who believe that suspected Marathon bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev may have played a role, noting that Tsarnaev had been close friends with one of the dead men.

What is more, the grieving relatives say the killings took place on a highly symbolic date for Islamic extremists: the 10th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

“We’re eager to pursue any new leads or information,” said Stephanie Guyotte, spokeswoman for the Middlesex district attorney’s office. “It has been reported that [Tamerlan Tsarnaev] knew one of the deceased victims. It remains an open investigation.”

The death certificates of two of the victims — Brendan H. Mess, 25, and Rafael M. Teken, 37 — say they were killed on Sept. 12, the day that Mess’s girlfriend reportedly discovered the bodies of the three victims and ran screaming from the two-family house where they had gathered.

But a relative of one of the victims told the Globe he is certain they were killed on the evening of Sept. 11, because he was texting one of them about a Sunday night football game between the New York Jets and Dallas Cowboys when communication suddenly stopped, at about 8:15 that evening.

He also said that, after speaking with relatives and friends of the other two victims, he concluded that communication with all of the victims was shut down at about the same time.

“The three of them were definitely killed on Sept. 11,” the relative said. “They all stopped using their cellphones at about eight o’clock that night.”

The relative asked for anonymity because other family members agreed they would not speak to the news media, pending the outcome of their recent communication with authorities.

The Globe reported Saturday that Tamerlan Tsarnaev knew Mess well, once introducing him to the owner of the gym where they both worked out as his “best friend.” But another friend of Mess pointed out that Tsarnaev did not even attend Mess’s funeral.

“If they were best friends, you would think [Tamerlan] would have been absolutely devastated and would have reached out to someone,” said the friend of Mess, who asked not to be identified for fear of retaliation. “That confirms my suspicions that something was up.’’

Records reviewed by the Globe show that at least one member of the Mess family lived in the same Cambridge neighborhood as the Tsarnaevs.

People who knew Tamerlan Tsarnaev, who died at 26 years of age in a firefight with police last week, say that he turned to radical Islam a year or two before the Waltham slayings, growing a long beard, adopting Islamic dress, and apparently posting extremist videos on YouTube.

In 2011, FBI agents questioned Tamerlan Tsarnaev after his native Russia raised concerns about his possible extremism.

In addition, within months of the triple homicide, in early 2012, Tamerlan went to Russia for six months, visiting family members in Dagestan, which borders the Tsarnaevs’ ancestral homeland of Chechnya, a region with a history of violent Islamic rebellion.

In light of the bombings on Marathon Monday, the Waltham homicide victim’s relative said, he and other victims’ relatives believe that Tsarnaev’s younger brother, Dzhokhar, the second suspected Marathon bomber, might also have played a role in the homicides because of the difficulty that one killer would face subduing the three victims, at least two of whom were in good physical condition.

Police never identified any suspects in the case, but the person or persons who committed the slayings had to be strong and highly skilled.

On the death certificates, Mess is listed as a martial arts instructor and is known to have trained at the same gym as Tsarnaev, Wai Kru Mixed Martial Arts, in Allston. Teken is listed as a personal trainer. The Globe was unable to obtain the death certificate for the third victim, 31-year-old Erik Weissman.

In addition to the marijuana and $5,000 found at the crime scene, Weissman’s past may have pointed investigators to drugs as a motive. In 2008, Weissman was charged with possession of marijuana with intent to distribute, according to a police report.

Whatever the reason for the killings, Tamerlan Tsarnaev, an accomplished amateur heavy-weight boxer, certainly had the physical strength to carry out a brutal attack. “He was the best boxer in Boston,” said John Allan, the owner of Wai Kru Mixed Martial Arts. “He smoked all the professionals.”

And Tamerlan Tsarnaev had already demonstrated a violent streak outside of the ring: In 2009, he was charged with domestic violence after admitting to police that he had slapped a former girlfriend, who then called police in hysterics. The charge was later dismissed after a jury trial.

Younger brother Dzhokhar, meanwhile, had been captain of the Cambridge Rindge and Latin wrestling team and was also known as an adept boxer, according to Zolan V. Kanno-Youngs, a neighbor, friend, and former classmate.

And during the months before the killings, it is clear that Tsarnaev had become increasingly radicalized in his religious and political beliefs.

Maret Tsarnaeva, Tsarnaev’s aunt, told reporters at a news conference that her nephew went from praying no more than once a day to praying five times a day. And a neighbor and family friend in Cambridge said Tsarnaev had become a devout Muslim within the past few years.

“He started talking about religion,” said the family friend, who asked not to be identified. “He grew a long beard.”

When the friend joked about the beard, he said, Tamerlan became upset, asking, “Why are you making fun of my religion?”

It appears that Tsarnaev also toyed with extremism online. A YouTube account created in Tamerlan Tsarnaev’s name in August 2012 includes a video dedicated to the prophecy of the Black Banners of Khurasan, which is apparently embraced by Islamic extremists.

In another video, featured on a play list titled “terrorists,” a speaker holds an assault rifle and wears camouflage fatigues while flanked by armed men wearing masks.

The relative of the Waltham homicide victim interviewed by the Globe said he and others hope their recent appeal to police about Tamerlan Tsarnaev’s possible role in the killings will lead to a conclusion of the case.

Andrea Estes of the Globe staff contributed to this report. Michael Rezendes can be reached at [email protected]. Follow him on Twitter @RezGlobe. Bob Hohler can be reached at [email protected] of story marker

[chaanakya]

If there is no history of travel to Pakiland (if those guys were US agents that info would be hidden as well), then b) is a higher probability .

They ( at least one of the Bros) traveled to Pakistan KKM area on trekking. Father served in Pakistan for about 14 years.

This is a clone of Devid Headly aka Daood Gilani since seeaiye link is surfacing.

[Amber G.]

The Tsarnaev family: A faded portrait of an immigrant’s American dream

The transformation of the mom is almost unrecognizable from what she looked like years ago.
<snip>.

Thanks for posting that piece.

[Muppalla]

It is possbile that Russia used the double agent and got the Boston bombings done as a message to US?

[saip]

It is possbile that Russia used the double agent and got the Boston bombings done as a message to US?

It may the other way round. US trained Tamaralan to teach Russia a lesson and he went rogue.

[ramana]

How many Chechens got visas to come to US? Could be in very low numbers. Of these two of them turn out to be Boston Terrorists. One line of investigation should be how did they get visa to come to US? Am sure uncle Ruslan the lawyer with his connections had a role in it.

[Amber G.]

How many Chechens got visas to come to US? Could be in very low numbers. Of these two of them turn out to be Boston Terrorists. One line of investigation should be how did they get visa to come to US? Am sure uncle Ruslan the lawyer with his connections had a role in it.

Ramanaji - Why guess/conjuncture/ask/speculate about the facts which can easily be obtained? (I mean the number of visas issued, kind of Visa they had, who sponsored it..lot of the details are already posted in some of the sources posted here...many other items are public record )

Can you post/summarize from reports you have seen, the actual numbers of visa's issued, what role the Uncle had, how they got the Visa etc so people can discuss it. Thanks.

[Pranav]

They ( at least one of the Bros) traveled to Pakistan KKM area on trekking. Father served in Pakistan for about 14 years.

This piece of info is probably false.

[Pranav]

Did 'Misha' influence Tsarnaevs? In Watertown, doubts - http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... a/2111333/

WATERTOWN, Mass. — People in this heavily Armenian community are casting doubt on claims by relatives of the Boston bombing suspect that an Armenian convert to Islam was somehow at fault.

"For an Armenian to convert to Islam is like finding a unicorn in a field," said Nerses Zurabyan, 32, an information technology director who lives in nearby Cambridge. "It would be such a shock to the Armenian community that everyone would know this person."

The Associated Press reported Tuesday that relatives of Tamerlan Tsarnaev, the older of the two suspects, say he came under the influence of a man named Misha who preached to him in his kitchen and turned him to a radical form of Islam. Tsarnaev's uncle in Maryland, Ruslan Tsarni, and his former brother-in-law in Kazakhstan, Elmirza Khozhugov, said the man was an Armenian convert who was heavyset, bald, around 30, and had a long reddish beard.

[chaanakya]

They ( at least one of the Bros) traveled to Pakistan KKM area on trekking. Father served in Pakistan for about 14 years.

This piece of info is probably false.

Could be, as this was first reported by IndraD quoting NBC but no links in older thread. But no harm in trying to find paki link. there would be one after all lot of chechen boys were trained in Pakistan-Afg region.

[Theo_Fidel]

Sorry if posted but interview with 'mischa'.....
Check out the comments, there is mucho doubt...

http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/20 ... -879094365

As the investigation of the Boston Marathon bombings continues, one of the more clouded aspects is the tale of “Misha,” a mysterious US-based Islamist who has been accused by members of the Tsarnaev family of radicalizing Tamerlan Tsarnaev, the elder of the two alleged bombers. “It started in 2009. And it started right there, in Cambridge,” Tamerlan’s uncle, Ruslan Tsarni, told CNN after the attacks. “This person just took his brain. He just brainwashed him completely.” These accusations set off a frenzied search for what some reports have called an Islamic Svengali, and over the past few days, the FBI has said it has located and has been talking to “Misha,” though his identity has remained unknown.

Today I was able to meet “Misha,” whose real name is Mikhail Allakhverdov. Having been referred by a family in Boston that was close to the Tsarnaevs, I found Allakhverdov at his home in Rhode Island, in a lower middle class neighborhood, where he lives in modest, tidy apartment with his elderly parents. He confirmed he was a convert to Islam and that he had known Tamerlan Tsarnaev, but he flatly denied any part in the bombings. “I wasn’t his teacher. If I had been his teacher, I would have made sure he never did anything like this,” Allakhverdov said.

A thirty-nine-year-old man of Armenian-Ukrainian descent, Allakhverdov is of medium height and has a thin, reddish-blond beard. When I arrived he was wearing a green and white short-sleeve football jersey and pajama pants. Along with his parents, his American girlfriend was there, and we sat together in a tiny living room that abuts the family kitchen.

Allakhverdov said he had known Tamerlan in Boston, where he lived until about three years ago, and has not had any contact with him since. He declined to describe the nature of his acquaintance with Tamerlan or the Tsarnaev family, but said he had never met the family members who are now accusing him of radicalizing Tamerlan. He also confirmed he had been interviewed by the FBI and that he has cooperated with the investigation:

I’ve been cooperating entirely with the FBI. I gave them my computer and my phone and everything I wanted to show I haven’t done anything. And they said they are about to return them to me. And the agents who talked told me they are about to close my case.

An FBI spokesman in Boston declined to comment on an ongoing case. Allakhverdov’s statements, however, seemed to bear out recent reports that the FBI have not found any connection between “Misha” and the bomb plot.

One question is why members of the Tsarnaev family have made accusations about Allakhverdov. A close friend of the family in Boston said that Misha was not known to have visited Tamerlan at home. I interviewed Allakhverdov in Russian and it seems likely that in whatever contact the two men had, they would have spoken Russian.

In many ways, Allakhverdov’s parents seem typical former-Soviet émigrés who had embraced middle class life in the United States. His father is an Armenian Christian and his mother is an ethnic Ukrainian. The family had lived in Baku, Azerbaijan, but had left in the early 1990s for the United States to escape growing persecution of Armenian Christians there. The family was welcoming to me but very nervous. “We love this country. We never expected anything like this to happen to us,” his father said.

[Amber G.]

Sorry if already posted ... here is abcnews article..
FBI checking links

April 28, 2013 ( WASHINGTON) -- The chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee said Sunday that the FBI is investigating in the United States and overseas to determine whether the suspects in the Boston Marathon bombing received training that helped them carry out the attack.

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, 19, is charged with joining with his older brother, Tamerlan, who's now dead, in setting off the shrapnel-packed pressure-cooker bombs. The bombs were triggered by a remote detonator of the kind used in remote-control toys, U.S. officials have said.

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"I think given the level of sophistication of this device, the fact that the pressure cooker is a signature device that goes back to Pakistan, Afghanistan, leads me to believe - and the way they handled these devices and the tradecraft - ... that there was a trainer and the question is where is that trainer or trainers," said Rep. Michael McCaul, R-Texas, on "Fox News Sunday."

"Are they overseas in the Chechen region or are they in the United States?" McCaul said. "In my conversations with the FBI, that's the big question. They've casted a wide net both overseas and in the United States to find out where this person is. But I think the experts all agree that there is someone who did train these two individuals."
......
A Nigerian man was given a mandatory life sentence for trying to blow up a packed jetliner on Christmas Day 2009 with a bomb sewn into his underwear. Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab had tried to set off the bomb minutes before the Amsterdam-to-Detroit flight landed.

The device didn't work as planned, but it still produced smoke, flame and panic. He told authorities that he trained in Yemen under the eye of Anwar al-Awlaki, a radical American-born cleric and one of the best-known al-Qaida figures.

A U.S. drone strike in Yemen killed al-Awlaki in 2011.

In 2010, a Pakistani immigrant who tried to detonate a car bomb in New York's Times Square also received a life sentence. Faisal Shazad said the Pakistan Taliban provided him with more than $15,000 and five days of explosives training.

The bomb was made of fireworks fertilizer, propane tanks and gasoline canisters. Explosives experts said the fertilizer wasn't the right grade and the fireworks weren't powerful enough to set off the intended chain reaction.

[Vayutuvan]

Hayden on GPS re. Miranda rights. He says that Jahar stopped talking now after he got Mirandized. What chances that they would be able to drag out the Pakistani connection, if there is one?

ZAKARIA: Do you worry the way that many politicians have that the surviving terrorist was read his Miranda rights, is going through a criminal process?

HAYDEN: The criminal process, I'm indifferent on. I really am. I'm an intelligence officer and he's not eligible for military commissions, but I know we debate military commissions in Article 3 courts ad nauseam. I don't care.

I'm interested in the information. I want to question him in the most effective way so that I'll learn about this event and any other future events or perhaps any other plotters with whom they were connected.

I was surprised that he was Mirandized so quickly, particularly given what the administration had said. And, apparently based up on press reports, the people doing the interrogation were surprised as well.

You had the HIG, the high-value interrogation group, which was formed at the beginning of the administration, to do this very kind of thing and as they're going through with him talking fairly freely, a judge, assistant U.S. attorney come in and read him his Miranda rights and now he's stop talking.

Look, I'm not a lawyer, but I have to tell from the outside looking in, I don't understand that.

Oh, sorry. Here is the link to GPS transcript.
Apr 28th 2013 GPS Transcript

[ramana]

Answering my own questions:

USA Today:

Few Chechen Immigrants make it to US

....There are probably fewer than about 200 Chechen immigrants in the United States, and most of them are settled in the Boston area, as many U.S. cities have refused to accept asylum applicants from the war-torn area of southern Russia, says Glen Howard, president of the Jamestown Foundation.

About 70% of the Chechen immigrants are women, Howard says. Very few men are granted asylum because of U.S. anti-terrorism policies and because Russia often protests when ethnic Chechens try to settle in the U.S., he said. The U.S. admitted only 197 refugees from all of Russia in 2012. ....

The T family is a rara avis.
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Matrimc, There are two tracks to the case. The criminal and the national security tracks. The criminal track is protected by Miranda rights which are derived from Fifth Amendment rights, No one is arguing that is the worng thing.

Further nothing, I mean nothing prevents the govt from purusing the National Security track for none of that would be useful for the criminal case.
So critics arguing against reading Miranda rights are those who are opposed to the Obama Admin anyway and will find any stick to beat it with.

[saip]

Is Micha's name is Mikhail Allakhverdov? It does not sound like an Armenian name as normally their names end in 'ian' (like in Kardashian) . I dont think Armenian Christians love Islam especially considering that many of them still remember Armenian Genocide by the Ottomans. I used to work for a company owned by an Armenian (this guy actually sent an architect to Armenia to build/repair a house for the Armenian Pope) and many Armenians were my colleagues. They have no love lost for muslims. In fact once we hired a muslim girl and the boss was not happy at all as she insisted on wearing a hijab and we had to let her go after a couple of weeks.

[Theo_Fidel]

Allakhverdov apparently means Allah lover in Russian so the Armenian identity is a question mark.

[ramana]

Theo and Saip,

NY Review of books:

Misha Speaks

...
Today I was able to meet “Misha,” whose real name is Mikhail Allakhverdov. Having been referred by a family in Boston that was close to the Tsarnaevs, I found Allakhverdov at his home in Rhode Island, in a lower middle class neighborhood, where he lives in modest, tidy apartment with his elderly parents. He confirmed he was a convert to Islam and that he had known Tamerlan Tsarnaev, but he flatly denied any part in the bombings. “I wasn’t his teacher. If I had been his teacher, I would have made sure he never did anything like this,” Allakhverdov said.

A thirty-nine-year-old man of Armenian-Ukrainian descent, Allakhverdov is of medium height and has a thin, reddish-blond beard. When I arrived he was wearing a green and white short-sleeve football jersey and pajama pants. Along with his parents, his American girlfriend was there, and we sat together in a tiny living room that abuts the family kitchen.

Allakhverdov said he had known Tamerlan in Boston, where he lived until about three years ago, and has not had any contact with him since. He declined to describe the nature of his acquaintance with Tamerlan or the Tsarnaev family, but said he had never met the family members who are now accusing him of radicalizing Tamerlan. He also confirmed he had been interviewed by the FBI and that he has cooperated with the investigation:

I’ve been cooperating entirely with the FBI. I gave them my computer and my phone and everything I wanted to show I haven’t done anything. And they said they are about to return them to me. And the agents who talked told me they are about to close my case.

An FBI spokesman in Boston declined to comment on an ongoing case. Allakhverdov’s statements, however, seemed to bear out recent reports that the FBI have not found any connection between “Misha” and the bomb plot.

One question is why members of the Tsarnaev family have made accusations about Allakhverdov. A close friend of the family in Boston said that Misha was not known to have visited Tamerlan at home. I interviewed Allakhverdov in Russian and it seems likely that in whatever contact the two men had, they would have spoken Russian.

In many ways, Allakhverdov’s parents seem typical former-Soviet émigrés who had embraced middle class life in the United States. His father is an Armenian Christian and his mother is an ethnic Ukrainian. The family had lived in Baku, Azerbaijan, but had left in the early 1990s for the United States to escape growing persecution of Armenian Christians there. The family was welcoming to me but very nervous. “We love this country. We never expected anything like this to happen to us,” his father said.

[Vayutuvan]

So critics arguing against reading Miranda rights are those who are opposed to the Obama Admin anyway and will find any stick to beat it with.

That definitely is the most likely explanation except Hayden seems to be apolitical having worked in both D and R administrations. But then at that level everybody will have his/her own axe to grind. The least likely explanation is that he was Mirandized so that he gets the message and shuts up thus cutting off any paths that might lead to US-Pak fingering Russia's backside through Chechnya. I agree that almost qualifies as a CT.

[Theo_Fidel]

The guy sang like a bird for 16 hours. If you can't extract most of the critical info in that time you need a different team....

My suspicion is that it was all choreographed. Note how tight the info firewall is, very little of what was said has leaked out.

[pentaiah]

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-ties-t ... ts/5333080

The Ties That Bind Washington to Chechen Terrorists
By Wayne Madsen
Global Research, April 26, 2013
Strategic Culture FoundationRegion: Russia and FSU
Theme: Culture, Society & History, Intelligence
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To scan the list of major American supporters of the Chechen secessionist movement, which at some points can hardly be distinguished from Chechen terrorists financed by U.S. allies Saudi Arabia and Qatar, is to be reminded of some of the most notorious U.S. Cold War players.

Evidence is mounting that the accused dead Boston Marathon bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev, allegedly killed during an April 19 shootout with police in Watertown, Massachusetts, became a «radicalized» Muslim while participating in a covert CIA program, run through the Republic of Georgia, to destabilize Russia’s North Caucasus region… The ultimate goal of the CIA’s campaign was for the Muslim inhabitants of the region to declare independence from Moscow and tilt toward the U.S. Wahhabi Muslim-run governments of Saudi Arabia and Qatar.The Western corporate media largely ignored an important story reported from Izvestia in Moscow: that Tamerlan Tsarnaev attended seminars run by the Caucasus Fund of Georgia, a group affiliated with the neo-conservative think tank, the Jamestown Foundation, between January and July 2012. The U.S. media reported that during this six month time frame, Tsarnaev was being radicalized by Dagestan radical imam «Abu Dudzhan», killed in a fight with Russian security forces in 2012. Tsarnaev also visited Dagestan in 2011.

However, in documents leaked from the Georgian Ministry of Internal Affairs’ Counterintelligence Department, Tsarnaev is pinpointed as being in Tbilisi taking part in «seminars» organized by the Caucasus Fund, founded during the Georgian-South Ossetian war of 2008, a war started when Georgian troops invaded the pro-Russian Republic of South Ossetia during the Beijing Olympics. Georgia was supported militarily and with intelligence support by the United States and Israel, and the American support included U.S. Special Forces advisers on the ground in Georgia. The Georgian intelligence documents indicate Tsarnaev attended the Jamestown Foundation seminars in Tbilisi.

The Jamestown Foundation is part of a neo-conservative network that re-branded itself after the Cold War from being anti-Soviet and anti-Communist to one that is anti-Russian and “pro-democracy.” The network not only consists of Jamestown and the Caucasus Fund but also other groups funded by the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) and the Open Society Institute (OSI).

Georgia has become a nexus for the U.S. aid to the Russian opposition trying to oust President Vladimir Putin and his supporters from power. In March [2010], Georgia sponsored, with CIA, OSI, and British MI-6 funds, a conference titled ‘Hidden Nations, Enduring Crimes: The Circassians and the People of the North Caucasus Between Past and Future.’ Georgia and its CIA, OSI, and British intelligence allies are funneling cash and other support for secessionism by ethnic minorities in Russia, including Circassians, Chechens, Ingushetians, Balkars, Kabardins, Abaza, Tatars, Talysh, and Kumyks».

The March 21, 2010 conference in Tbilisi was organized by the Jamestown Foundation and the International School of Caucasus Studies at Ilia State University in Georgia. If Georgian counter-intelligence documents have Tamerlan Tsarnaev attending Jamestown conferences in Tbilisi in 2011, could the Russian FSB have tracked him to the Jamestown Hidden Nations seminar in March 2010? In any event, a year later the FSB decided to contact the FBI about Tsarnaev’s ties to terrorists.

The first Russian request to the FBI came via the FBI’s Legal Attache’s office at the U.S. embassy in Moscow in March 2011. It took the FBI until June of 2011 to conclude that Tamerlan posed no terrorist threat but it did add his name to the Treasury Enforcement Communications System, or TECS, which monitors financial information such as bank accounts held abroad and wire transfers. In September 2011, Russian authorities, once again, alerted the U.S. of their suspicions about Tamerlan. The second alert went to the CIA. By September 2011, Russian security agencies were well aware that the Hidden Nations seminar held a year earlier was a CIA-sponsored event that was supported by the Mikheil Saakashvili government in Georgia and that other similar meetings had been held and were planned, including the one that Tamerlan Tsarnaev was to attend in Tbilisi in January 2012.

At some point in time after the first Russian alert and either before or after the second, the CIA entered Tamerlan’s name into the Terrorist Identities Datamart Environment list (TIDE), a database with more than 750,000 entries that is maintained by the National Counterterrorism Center in McLean, Virginia.

The Jamestown Foundation is a long-standing front operation for the CIA, it being founded, in part, by CIA director William Casey in 1984. The organization was used as an employer for high-ranking Soviet bloc defectors, including the Soviet Undersecretary General of the UN Arkady Shevchenko and Romanian intelligence official Ion Pacepa. The Russian domestic Federal Security Bureau and the SVR foreign intelligence agency have long suspected Jamestown of helping to foment rebellions in Chechnya, Ingushetia, and other north Caucasus republics. The March 21 Tbilisi conference on the north Caucasus a few days before the Moscow train bombings has obviously added to the suspicions of the FSB and SVR.

Jamestown’s board includes such Cold War era individuals as Marcia Carlucci; wife of Frank Carlucci, the former CIA officer, Secretary of Defense, and Chairman of The Carlyle Group [Frank Carlucci was also one of those who requested the U.S. government to allow former Chechen Republic 'Foreign Minister' Ilyas Akhmadov, accused by the Russians of terrorist ties, to be granted political asylum in the U.S. after a veto from the Homeland Security and Justice Departments], anti-Communist book and magazine publisher Alfred Regnery; and Caspar Weinberger’s Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Public Affairs Kathleen Troia «KT» McFarland. Also on the board is former Oklahoma GOP Governor Frank Keating, the governor at the time of the 1995 Murrah Federal Building bombing.

Cooperating with Jamestown in not only its north and south Caucasus information operations, but also in Moldovan, Belarusian, Uighur, and Uzbekistan affairs, is the ubiquitous Open Society Institute (OSI), another cipher for U.S. intelligence and global banking interests. OSI’s Central Eurasia Project has sponsored a number of panels and seminars with Jamestown.

Russian security indicated in their first communication with the FBI that Tamerlan Tsarnaev had changed drastically since 2010. That change came after the Hidden Nations conference in Tbilisi. U.S. support for Chechen and North Caucasus secession came as a result of a public statement on August 2008 by GOP presidential candidate John McCain that «after Russia illegally recognized the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, Western countries ought to think about the independence of the North Caucasus and Chechnya».

Upon becoming President in 2009, Barack Obama adopted McCain’s proposal and authorized CIA support for North Caucasus secessionists and terrorists with money laundered through the USAID, the National Endowment for Democracy, the Open Society Institute, Freedom House, and the Jamestown Foundation. In January 2012, Obama appointed an OSI activist and neocon, Michael McFaul of the right-wing Hoover Institution at Stanford University, as U.S. ambassador to Moscow. McFaul immediately threw open the doors of the U.S. embassy to a variety of Russian dissidents, including secessionists from the North Caucasus, some of whom were suspected by the Russian FSB of ties to Islamist terrorists.

Whether Tamerlan Tsarnaev was always a CIA asset and participated in a “false flag” operation in Boston and became an unwitting “patsy” in a CIA plot, much like “U.S. Marine “defector” to the Soviet Union Lee Harvey Oswald became a “patsy” in President Kennedy’s assassination, or he was indeed radicalized in an attempt to infiltrate him into the ranks of the Caucasus Emirate and decided to defect and carry out a terrorist attack against the United States may never be known. If the latter is the case, Tsarnaev is much like Osama Bin Laden, once a CIA fighter in the field in Afghanistan who allegedly decided to launch a jihad against the United States. If Tsarnaev was a “patsy” like Oswald, that might explain the setting off of an incendiary device at the John F. Kennedy Library in Boston ten minutes after the twin bombings at the Boston Marathon. After Boston Police stated the fire was caused by an explosion, the Boston Fire Department went into cover-up mode and tried to claim the fire could have been caused by someone tossing a cigarette on to flammable material.

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Please note I had mentioned Georgia, and also this analogus to Davidly Hadley, I called this as Hardly Davis operation right in the begining of the first thread , I started the thread and some one merged it with other

Again note all the BCCI scam characters are mentioned

[Vayutuvan]

If Tsarnaev was a “patsy” like Oswald, that might explain the setting off of an incendiary device at the John F. Kennedy Library in Boston ten minutes after the twin bombings at the Boston Marathon. After Boston Police stated the fire was caused by an explosion, the Boston Fire Department went into cover-up mode and tried to claim the fire could have been caused by someone tossing a cigarette on to flammable material.

Lots of undefined words. What are "false flag op" and "patsy"? What is the connection TT being a "patsy" and the alleged incendiary device at JFK library? I am unable to connect the dots. Could somebody please explain what do the above mean?

By the way "India friend" Zigniew Brezeznski (sic) was/is also associated with Jamestown Foundation, so is President Carter, both left of the center Dems.

[ramana]

Can someone post the link to the timeline whichwas quoted on the last page?

When did TT visiti Tbilisi? So far the media claimed he went to Dagestan, Russia.

[Vayutuvan]

I looked up False Flag or Ruse de guerre in Wikipedia. That doesn't make any sense. Why would CIA want to conduct a False Flag Op implicating Chechens if as assumed US is supporting the Chechens to cause trouble in Russia? That leaves only three possibilities which I am listing below in the order of decreasing probability (IMHO, of course).

1. Brothers Tsarnaev self-radicalized - American Muzahidin theory - AMT
2. TT radicalized when he visited Dagestan (and N. Waziristan?) - Islamist Terror Theory - ITT
3. TT/both is/are CIA operative(s) who spun out of control - Blow-Back theory - BBT

[saip]

Just heard on CNN that FBI found 'female DNA' on the bomb remnants. They are wondering if it is Tamarlan's wife's. They seem to have collected her DNA today.

[ramana]

Looks big.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... a/2121979/

[Vayutuvan]

Just heard on CNN that FBI found 'female DNA' on the bomb remnants. They are wondering if it is Tamarlan's wife's. They seem to have collected her DNA today.

Isn't that expected? Several women were hurt and at least one woman died. Did the remnants pass through one of them?

[Amber G.]

If Tsarnaev was a “patsy” like Oswald, that might explain the setting off of an incendiary device at the John F. Kennedy Library in Boston ten minutes after the twin bombings at the Boston Marathon. After Boston Police stated the fire was caused by an explosion, the Boston Fire Department went into cover-up mode and tried to claim the fire could have been caused by someone tossing a cigarette on to flammable material.

Lots of undefined words. What are "false flag op" and "patsy"? What is the connection TT being a "patsy" and the alleged incendiary device at JFK library? I am unable to connect the dots. Could somebody please explain what do the above mean?

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Yes lots of undefined words.. and some very strange ones.. in hope that people will believe any CT... even the fire at JFK Library is described as "cover up" by fire department

[saip]

Just heard on CNN that FBI found 'female DNA' on the bomb remnants. They are wondering if it is Tamarlan's wife's. They seem to have collected her DNA today.

Isn't that expected? Several women were hurt and at least one woman died. Did the remnants pass through one of them?

Everything is possible. But the question is what type of DNA. Is it skin cell DNA (from someone who touched it) or blood DNA (victim's)? May be his widow used the pressure cookers to cook a meal?

[Amber G.]

I find the term "Female DNA" rather strange. Why not use " traces of Woman's DNA" . ..
(A chromosome is a subpart of a person’s genes, while DNA is a part of the chromosome)
..In any case with DNA one can match it to particular person (male of female)..

[Vayutuvan]

One possibility is that they have eliminated the victims from the list. Forensic examination would have included typing the DNA. May be they found some DNA that is not from any of the victims.

"patsy", "false flag" sound like somebody is writing a Tom Clancy novel.

[Theo_Fidel]

Have they found out where these bombs were put together and tested. It could not have been at their house cause of the close quarters, no ventilation and lack of testing area.That would be a true discovery.

[Singha]

they claim to have discovered some crude devices off in the woods somewhere..perhaps to test the detonation mechanism with a small charge and no container.

FBI == CBI - they will tailor their findings and lose / gain evidence to satisfy the political masters of the day.

[ArmenT]

Is Micha's name is Mikhail Allakhverdov? It does not sound like an Armenian name as normally their names end in 'ian' (like in Kardashian) . I dont think Armenian Christians love Islam especially considering that many of them still remember Armenian Genocide by the Ottomans. I used to work for a company owned by an Armenian (this guy actually sent an architect to Armenia to build/repair a house for the Armenian Pope) and many Armenians were my colleagues. They have no love lost for muslims. In fact once we hired a muslim girl and the boss was not happy at all as she insisted on wearing a hijab and we had to let her go after a couple of weeks.

No it doesn't, but there are a few areas where Armenians russianized their names (so 'ov' instead of 'ian' at the end of the name). This was true for Armenians living in certain areas of the former soviet union such as Azerbeijan. Allakhverdian is an Armenian last name though and has nothing to do with Allah. Presumably this guy was in one of the areas where they russianized his last name to Allakhverdov. There seem to be quite a few Armenians with the Russianized form of that last name.

With that said, while the Armenians are majority Christians, there are a few around that converted, so it is possible this guy was one of them. He admitted he was Armenian in an interview, so that pretty much settles that question. Apparently FBI has already questioned him and determined he was not involved. He said something about the mom being more influential on her son than he was.

Incidentally, I have worked with and have several Armenian friends (used to live in a very large predominantly Armenian neighborhood). Hell, check out my handle on this forum! One of my friends has the last name Khudaverdian (his family is from Iran), which sounds like it should be related to Allakhverdian.

[ArmenT]

By the way, one more interesting fact that came up is that the mother is not an ethnic Chechen. She's actually from a Dagestan tribe called "Avar" and her native village is now a hotbed for wahabbism.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/tsarn ... hp?ref=fpa

[arun]

X Posted from the Islamism thread.

Former girlfriend of now dead Mohammadden Terrorist Tamerlan Tsarnaev who carried out the attack on the Boston marathon is reported as saying “He said I was 'pure' and he took my virginity. I loved him but he slapped me and tried to brainwash me to hate US like he did” :

My boyfriend the bomber

[Garooda]

TT possibly trained in Georgia? Georgian PM admits to having training camps on their soil.



Lets also not forget the Uncle who has been very very co-operative for some odd reason.

TT's Uncle Once Married to CIA Honcho's Daughter

Misha Pozhininsky article on Chechnya Weekly.

Andrei Samorodov same as Misha?

Blast_From_The_Past_Capt Andrei Samorodov

Allakhverdov_Puzzled_Over_MISHA_Claims

Below link has very similar and identical story as TT and his family except they were in Canada.
Canadian_Boxer_Converted_Killed_In_Dagestan

Russian security forces announced last month that they had killed William, a 23-year-old Canadian, during a gun battle in Dagestan. Since then, the Canadian government has been trying to verify the Russians’ account.

What seemed to amaze Mr. Plotnikov most was how fast it all happened. His son only became interested in Islam in 2009, he said. Within a year, he had left Canada and by July he was dead. He had gone from convert to martyr in less than three years.

He is not the first radicalized Canadian to die under such circumstances, but he is believed to be the first Canadian convert to die fighting in the name of jihad— all the others having been born into their faith. His father said William became so radicalized he did not even consider the other Muslims he met to be true Muslims. He claimed that Canada and the U.S. were a source of evil for Muslims.

Before moving to Canada, the family lived in Western Siberia, where Mr. Plotnikov worked for an oil company. An athlete himself, he introduced his son to boxing at age nine, and William went on to twice win the Russian youth championships.

After losing his oil company job, Mr. Plotnikov found work at a bank but he wanted more than Russia had to offer. He and his wife also wanted to make sure William got a good education, and they were concerned about the gangs that attracted some former Russian athletes, so they decided to fulfill a lifelong dream of emigrating to the West.

The move was more difficult for William. He was 15 and had left his friends. He could not understand why the boys at his new high school wore baggy pants and piercings, and he was turned off by the heavy drinking of the Russian expats he met.

Boris Gitman saw athletic potential in the lanky teen who turned up at his boxing club in Thornhill. “I was impressed. His coach in Russia did a good job,” said Mr. Gitman, who coaches at the European Boxing School.

The move was more difficult for William. He was 15 and had left his friends. He could not understand why the boys at his new high school wore baggy pants and piercings, and he was turned off by the heavy drinking of the Russian expats he met.

Boris Gitman saw athletic potential in the lanky teen who turned up at his boxing club in Thornhill. “I was impressed. His coach in Russia did a good job,” said Mr. Gitman, who coaches at the European Boxing School.

The move was more difficult for William. He was 15 and had left his friends. He could not understand why the boys at his new high school wore baggy pants and piercings, and he was turned off by the heavy drinking of the Russian expats he met.

Boris Gitman saw athletic potential in the lanky teen who turned up at his boxing club in Thornhill. “I was impressed. His coach in Russia did a good job,” said Mr. Gitman, who coaches at the European Boxing School.

Tall and skinny, William needed to work on his strength and endurance. “He was not physically strong but he was very, very talented.… Very smart,” Mr. Gitman added. “In boxing, it’s very important to be smart. He understood about boxing a lot and I just knew he needed a couple of years. From my experience I thought he would be a good Olympian.”

But by the time the Plotnikovs became Canadian citizens in 2008, William was drifting away from boxing. He tried Jujitsu, Aikido and Thai boxing. Mr. Gitman said the young athlete was struggling to adjust to Canada.

“Two of my sons came here almost at the same age and I know how difficult it was for them because they lost a lot of friends over there,” he said. “All their life was in Russia and, especially William, he had a good life over there.

Curious about why Muslims prayed five times a day, he decided to visit a Toronto mosque. “So he went to the mosque to clear that up and he just got caught up with a mullah who had very radical views,” his father said, although he does not know which mosque or cleric. “Islam on its own, it’s not a bad religion,” he added. “But like in any other case, the extremists are not always good.”

From Moscow, William travelled by train to Dagestan. Sixteen hundred kilometres south of Moscow, Dagestan is a republic in the North Caucasus region of Russia. It shares a border with Chechnya, a notorious magnet for Islamist militants in the 1990s.

After Russia brutally crushed the Chechen insurgency, some rebels crossed into Dagestan, spreading jihadist ideology and calling for “holy war” — although the region has long practiced the moderate Sufi school of Islam.

During the ensuing firefight, several security personnel were wounded and one was killed. By morning, seven militants were dead, including two local faction leaders. Islam Magomedov, alias Hamster, headed the Sergokala jihadist group and had been wanted since 2010 for various attacks.

Also killed was Arsen Magomedov, who headed a jihadist group in nearby Izberbash and “was involved in numerous murders of law enforcement officers and a number of IED explosions on the railway.”

The other dead were named as Isa Dalgatov, Shamil Akhmedov, Amin Ibiyev, Magomedsaid Mamtov and William Plotnikov. The jihadist website Kavkaz called William a martyr. “May Allah reward all the brothers.”

The Plotnikovs thought it was an Internet scam when they started getting emails expressing condolences over their son’s death. Then they saw the news reports and realized it might be true.

It is uncertain how many Canadians have met similar fates. The Canadian Security Intelligence Service would not disclose how many Canadians have died fighting for foreign armed groups. It’s possible the agency does not know, since many have gone to countries with non-functioning governments, or where missile strikes leave little in the way of remains.

Then we have the boxing connection. A celebrity in Degastan? Just like Dennis Rodman to NK?

Tyson with possible C_EYE_A entourage? in chechnya?

[arun]

.......... Lets also not forget the Uncle who has been very very co-operative for some odd reason.

TT's Uncle Once Married to CIA Honcho's Daughter ..............

Former CIA employee Graham Fuller has apparently confirmed that the Boston Marathon bombing Mohammadden Terrorist’s US resident uncle Ruslan Tsarnaev (now Tsarni) was indeed once his son-in-law.

Regards Mr. Fuller, he was no lowly CIA footpad but instead seems to have been a quite senior employee of the CIA and served as Vice Chairman of the National Intelligence Council besides being CIA station chief in Kabul.

Certainly leads me to wonder if the Boston Marathon bombing Mohammadden Terrorists US visa was some kind of quid pro quo for past services of the uncle to the CIA and thus yet one more blow back of the US policy of cosying up to Mohammadden Terrorists in order to target Non-Mohammadden enemies:

Former CIA officer: ‘Absurd’ to link uncle of Boston suspects, Agency