West Asia News and Discussions (YEMEN, gulf)

abhik · Post by **abhik** » 12 Oct 2014 00:13

Lalmohan wrote:unfortunately all sides in this conflict are willing to let the kurds get it in the musharraf
they are doomed

Bad karma? If you believe some they (KRG) used the Yazidis and Christians as bait for the ISIS so as to get support in the form of arms from western governments.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 12 Oct 2014 00:16

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 12 Oct 2014 01:16

The photo above was actually tweeted by Afghan policy

AfghanPolicy @AfghanPolicy · 34m 34 minutes ago
Is this #ISIS thug wearing an #Afghan pakol? Stealing proper identity or Pakistani Taliban joined #ISIS? #Kobani

Neshant · Post by **Neshant** » 12 Oct 2014 02:12

Isis is almost certainly being backed by some external power.

It takes a lot of organization, fuel and money to keep a goon squad going.

RoyG · Post by **RoyG** » 12 Oct 2014 04:35

Neshant wrote:Isis is almost certainly being backed by some external power.

It takes a lot of organization, fuel and money to keep a goon squad going.

Gulf Royals are funding it.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 12 Oct 2014 05:16

That thing is hardly a ManPad. It looks like something with a range of a few hundred miles. Wonder why they have an access panel open on the top. So now they have mijjiles that can launch chemical warheads. And justify a NATO-Israel air raid campaign against Iran and Syria. This is absolutely sickening.

But the Eyerak situation seems to guarantee impeachment of BO. It is Vietnam 10 times worse: BO is leading the US to lose the war to a goon gang, not a pair of superpowers. All that cost and 4500+ Americans dead and some 50,000 traumatized, many disabled - and BO has managed to turn Iraq into the ultimate Islamic Shariah nightmare.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 12 Oct 2014 08:55

turkey it seems is running a 'good taliban' scam with the ISIS --- using the ISIS to wipe out the kurdish presence in syria and iraq while pretending to be a pious NATO munna and chowkidar of the black sea to keep the big bad russian bear at bay.

thats a ground to ground missile but smaller than the Scud. it is a iraqi govt Al-Samoud2/Ababil-100 missile .. a offshoot of the old SCUD. range 180km and 220kg warhead...it has a guidance system provided from china/east europe. the FROG missile was also in iraq and looked similar but had no guidance system just spin stabilization.

probably will be used as a terror weapon to target important sites in Baghdad once the ISIS closes the arc from the north and starts the siege and bombardment properly.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 12 Oct 2014 09:42

Da faq is happening in Iraq? Lot of noise and no action on the ground. Some one powerful is definitely letting IS walk into Baghdad.

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 12 Oct 2014 20:03

Simple Q.Who benefits? No prizes for the right answer.The aim is to prevent Iran from controlling Iraq and to cut off the land route to Syria from Iran through Iraq and use ISIS to finish off Assad.The entire Sunni royalty are upto their necks in blood.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 12 Oct 2014 20:13

Philip wrote:Simple Q.Who benefits? No prizes for the right answer.The aim is to prevent Iran from controlling Iraq and to cut off the land route to Syria from Iran through Iraq and use ISIS to finish off Assad.The entire Sunni royalty are upto their necks in blood.

Little Bush made a boo-boo by toppling Saddam and giving Iran strategic depth in Iraq. Looks like ISIS will fix that for Umrika and Israel and yes Saudis. Here the knave is Saudi and the fools are Umrika and Israel.

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 12 Oct 2014 20:28

Foreign fighters flow to Syria - Washington Post

Do not forgot, Turkey is the gateway or launching pad for many of these Jihadists. I hope Karma will catch up with Turkey for all it sins.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 12 Oct 2014 21:15

Sadanand Dhume ‏@dhume 38m38 minutes ago

"Erdogan has engineered a dangerous game of blackmail, using the massacre of Kurds as collateral." http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/The-Kobani ... ter-378603 … #Kobane

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 12 Oct 2014 21:23

That pic is from US perspective shows 2000 fighters from Russa when UK govt itself is claiming their 2000 nationals have gone out to fight, it shows no participation from India. And neither from US< seriously? When US is also shivering from return of these barbarians?

Turkey is losing friends overseas very fast but has some gameplan as it is ready to sacrifice EU membership by these antics, so the return must be very good.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 12 Oct 2014 21:28

US strategy in tatters as IS delivers crushing defeat to Eyeraq army & any opposition, taking heavy casualty in street hand to hand battle but determined to take territory

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/com ... 89230.html

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 12 Oct 2014 21:31

IndraD wrote:That pic is from US perspective shows 2000 fighters from Russa when UK govt itself is claiming their 2000 nationals have gone out to fight, it shows no participation from India. And neither from US< seriously? When US is also shivering from return of these barbarians?

Turkey is losing friends overseas very fast but has some gameplan as it is ready to sacrifice EU membership by these antics, so the return must be very good.

?? Says IND: 60, Russia 800 (Chechnya, I presume). I am most upset by the lack of Honor and Dignity for the Paki contribyooshun. Only 6 times India, and that too for a 400% Pure Jeehad

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 12 Oct 2014 21:36

IS releases propaganda video of their advance in Kobane, several pics enclosed, including professionally made video acc to experts in London

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... dists.html

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 13 Oct 2014 01:51

IndraD wrote:That pic is from US perspective shows 2000 fighters from Russa when UK govt itself is claiming their 2000 nationals have gone out to fight, it shows no participation from India. And neither from US< seriously? When US is also shivering from return of these barbarians?Turkey is losing friends overseas very fast but has some gameplan as it is ready to sacrifice EU membership by these antics, so the return must be very good.

Turkey first lulled Kurds into false safety and now covet all the oil producing areas of Former Iraq and Syria. IF they can have control over Trillions of Dollars worth Oil and gas EU can bark but do no harm to Turkey. In the end it will be Saudi who will loose most of their money and prestige. Right now Kurds need weapons and other military aid which no onefrom EASt or West is supplying. They should go and seek Putin's help and then all hell will break.

UlanBatori · Post by **UlanBatori** » 13 Oct 2014 07:46

I have been wondering why Comrade Vlad is so quiet: the ISIS is as dangerous to Russia as to anyone else. I see that he has withdrawn vodka bottles from Yoo-krain border.

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 13 Oct 2014 08:10

I would like to hear from Sen McCain as well.

Re. Yoo-krain, the defense minister has been fired, and Mr Putin is going to talk to Mr Porshenko enroute to P20 in Australia.

The word in season is: gas.

ps -- this would be the 10th withdrawal of russian forces, would it not? And have you seen the state of Donetsk airport? As of now, the winter will not be a quiet one. The locals would be 1Up and disinclined to stay quiet unless the buffer zone actually gets setup in next four weeks.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 13 Oct 2014 08:12

he doesnt want the chechen/dagestani expats to R2R and found their own startups back home I imagine.
Putin is already overtly helping Assad and Iran and already supplied frogfoots and hinds to baghdad on short notice unlike US which has still not supplied a paltry few used F-16. what more can he do?

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 13 Oct 2014 13:19

Russia or China or India or any other country can help if US and its 5 ME Allies takes UN route to deal with ISIL but they dont want to do so for their own petty geo-political reasons else they would have tough questions to answer.

ME would be a boiling pot of many Jihadist , Sunni , Shiah ,Kurds and who not.

Reminds me of Saddams Hussian Dying words "To the Hell that is Iraq!"

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 13 Oct 2014 14:08

http://www.ibtimes.co.in/isis-beheads-9 ... ane-610407

ISIS has beheaded 9 captured kurdish fighters including 3 women in kobane.
they put the heads of the women on a cement block, took photos and posted them on social media.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 13 Oct 2014 14:09

"twitter-tweet" CBS is reporting that ISIS is closing in on green zone around Baghdad. If true, this could be the end of Iraq as we have known it.Donald Thibaut (@dgtbow)

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 13 Oct 2014 14:11

Turkey has consented to allow nato use of some of its bases for anti-ISIS ops.
the nearest one is 100 miles off.

folks on milphotos claim that A-10 and longbows could operate at such a distance if potus so decrees.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 13 Oct 2014 14:15

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/10/12/polit ... n-dempsey/

ISIS came within 25km of baghdad airport. american apache helicopters managed to save a iraqi line by skin of teeth it seems. but these boys are just starting to nibble now....the real bite is coming for sure.

vivek_v · Post by **vivek_v** » 13 Oct 2014 14:19

Apache's are too risky to be employed in ISIS areas in Syria. Possibly A-10 could be thought of to provide some form of CAS to the Kurds but I guess by the time POTUS decides it would be too late for the Kurds. ME is definitely doomed.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 13 Oct 2014 14:44

IS on rampage in Kobane, leaving behind headless bodies, mutilated corpses http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... l#comments

Neshant · Post by **Neshant** » 13 Oct 2014 15:34

They are almost certainly being backed by some external power.

There is no way some grouping of rag tag gundas can have that much co-ordination, fuel, food, medical supplies, logistics, armament, spare parts...etc.

Are they being backed by Turkey in an attempt to destroy the Kurds ? Is that the reason US started "secretly" arming the Kurds. If so one NATO country is technically at war with another behind the scenes.

habal · Post by **habal** » 13 Oct 2014 16:45

All of IS supplies like Armor, Heavy Weapons, artillery passes on railroad in Turkey onwards to Syria.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 13 Oct 2014 17:01

ISIS seems both like a magnet to european jihadists chafing under surveillance and restrictions at home and attracted by the chance to implement 'true islam' minus the PC-ness and takiya. a kind of push-pull effect.

in a different way at one point englishmen were attracted by italian and greek old culture and travelled extensively to imbibe these old countries. they decided to define the roman/greek culture as the bedrock of the modern 'western culture' . its a relatively modern construct I think, not more than few 100 yrs old.

the movie 'the island' also lays out the seductive charms of a nirvana away from adult supervision

habal · Post by **habal** » 13 Oct 2014 17:09

Turkish train carrying war tanks and weapons,delivered to ISIS

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-1172632

wig · Post by **wig** » 13 Oct 2014 17:17

IS jihadists boast of enslaving Yazidis
http://www.dawn.com/news/1137703/is-jih ... s#comments

The Islamic State (IS) jihadist group says that it has given Yazidi women and children captured in northern Iraq to its fighters as spoils of war, boasting it had revived slavery.

The latest issue of its propaganda magazine Dabiq released on Sunday was the first clear admission by the organisation that it was holding and selling Yazidis as slaves.

Tens of thousands of Yazidis, a minority whose population is mostly confined to northern Iraq, have been displaced by the four-month-old jihadist offensive in the region.

Yazidi leaders and rights groups warned in August that the small community faced genocide and that threat was put forward by Washington as one of the main reasons for launching air strikes.

Thousands of Yazidis remained trapped on a mountain near their main hub of Sinjar for days in August, while others were massacred and the fate of hundreds of missing women and children remained unclear.

In an article entitled “The revival of slavery before the hour”, Dabiq argues that by enslaving people it claims hold deviant religious beliefs, IS has restored an aspect of sharia (Islamic law) to its original meaning.

“After capture, the Yazidi women and children were then divided according to the sharia amongst the fighters of the Islamic State who participated in the Sinjar operations,” the article said.

“This large-scale enslavement of mushrik (polytheist) families is probably the first since the abandonment of this sharia law,” it said.

“The only other known case — albeit much smaller — is that of the enslavement of Christian women and children in the Philippines and Nigeria by the mujahedeen there.” Dabiq argued that while the “people of the book” — or followers of monotheistic religions such as Christians or Jews — can be given the option of paying the “jizya” tax or convert, this did not apply to Yazidis.

The Yazidi faith is a unique blend of beliefs that draws from several religions and includes the worship of a figure they refer to as the Peacock Angel.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 13 Oct 2014 19:12

IS sells 1000s of Yazidis women as sex slaves justifies acc to Eyeslam, boasts of reviving slavery

|It seems world is close to witnessing 7th century caliphate in few days

habal · Post by **habal** » 13 Oct 2014 19:30

btw there are reports from Syria that the SAA is close to recapturing Aleppo, Homs and advances into Deir-El-Zor. Now this means the ISIS is now concentrating only on Raqqa province and Turkish border. Everywhere else they have been routed.

It's only in Iraq where they are advancing. Now ISIS in Iraq may actually be the old Republican Guard and ex-Saddam troops from Tikrit, Fallujah and Sunni provinces. Looks like there has been a reorganization of ISIS footsoldiers into only 2 theatres.

ISIS is also a lot of garam-hawa receiving disproportional western air time.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 13 Oct 2014 20:43

CNN Breaking News ‏@cnnbrk 1h1 hour ago

Iraq military abandons key Anbar base to ISIS militants http://cnn.it/1w32a21

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 13 Oct 2014 21:04

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/worl ... 803478.cms

Iran must withdraw 'occupying' forces from Syria: Saudi - AFP

JEDDAH (Saudi Arabia): Iran must withdraw its "occupying" forces from Syria to help resolve that country's conflict, Saudi foreign minister prince Saud al-Faisal said on Monday after talks with his German counterpart.

"Our reservations are about Iran's policy in the region, not about Iran as a country or people," the foreign minister said at a joint press conference in the Red Sea city of Jeddah with Germany's Frank-Walter Steinmeier.

"In many conflicts, Iran is part of the problem, not the solution," Prince Saud said, charging that Shia-dominated Iran had forces in Syria "fighting Syrians."

"In this case, we can say that Iranian forces in Syria are occupying forces," aiding President Bashar al-Assad, whom he described as an "illegitimate" leader.

IndraD · Post by **IndraD** » 13 Oct 2014 21:34

habal wrote:ISIS is also a lot of garam-hawa receiving disproportional western air time.

going by the number of kills, rapes, other barbaric activities they are getting less time. no channel is questioning policies of West regarding ME

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 13 Oct 2014 22:09

Iran’s Supreme Leader Says US, Britain Created IS Terrorist Group

The Supreme Leader of Iran Ayatollah Sayyid Ali Khamenei claimed Monday that the United States and the United Kingdom were responsible for the creation of the Islamic State (IS) terrorist group.

"They [the United States and the United Kingdom] created Al Qaeda and Da'esh [the Arabic acronym for the IS] in order to create divisions and to fight against the Islamic Republic [of Iran], but now, they have turned on them," Iran's top cleric said as quoted by Reuters.

pankajs · Post by **pankajs** » 13 Oct 2014 22:20

Matthew Barber ‏@Matthew__Barber 21h21 hours ago

Our estimate of kidnapped #Yazidi women/girls/men was 3,000-4,000 a month ago, but as we gather data, our # is now at nearly 7,000, sadly.

Shivani Sahay ‏@Savitri4Ever 2h2 hours ago

Iraq's Sole Yazidi Lawmaker Says 25,000 Girls Abducted By IS To Be Raped, Sold http://www.rferl.org/content/iraq-yazid ... 27843.html … via @RFERL

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 14 Oct 2014 01:34

pankajs wrote:
CNN Breaking News ‏@cnnbrk 1h1 hour ago

Iraq military abandons key Anbar base to ISIS militants http://cnn.it/1w32a21

Who gave the Iraqi military this training of cut and run?