Sunni Terrorist Fragments of Unstable Pakistan - 1 Feb 2015

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 10 Feb 2015 09:21

If you look at the words TOP SECRET under the microscope, you see a security thread it is three words starting with N and ending in I, repeated in stripes. Just like notes, this is a new security feature in spy documents. This is very difficult to duplicate without the right ink and paper. Only states and countries can do it . Also it dates the paper independently. If this were old, it would have started with M, ended in H. And all pakistani paper is imported with interwoven good/bad shariefs. Of course, a foreign hand intent at creating animosity between two south asian giants can not be ruled out. Thus selective leak from Pentagon. All aimed at disrupting 3/23 11 visit.

There, all tied up in one uniform theory. And I am not even ahmediyya. Where is my tamgha-e-nobeil?

kancha · Post by **kancha** » 10 Feb 2015 10:42

Karan M wrote:Idiots can't even spell Bhattacharya right.

Written exactly as pronounced in Urdu!

kancha · Post by **kancha** » 10 Feb 2015 10:52

Amber G. wrote:
kancha wrote:^^

This has been doing rounds on Paki forums for last few weeks. Had dismissed it as a flight of fancy, but might it actually have something more to it?
Google, when asked to analyze the image.. <click to see> Gives it's offical guess:

Best guess for this image: govt of pakistan

partha · Post by **partha** » 10 Feb 2015 11:14

kancha wrote:
Karan M wrote:Idiots can't even spell Bhattacharya right.
Written exactly as pronounced in Urdu!

That spelling is definitely a red flag. See this article where "Arya" is spelled similarly as "Ariya"

http://dailycapital.pk/a-tale-of-two-ki ... vi-sirmed/

By Marvi Sirmed

That was united India and those were the days of Hindu reforms movements like Ariya Samaj and Hindu Mahasabha etc.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 10 Feb 2015 11:41

there are some who spell it as BataCharia. I used to know one pio.

partha · Post by **partha** » 10 Feb 2015 11:47

Singha wrote:there are some who spell it as BataCharia. I used to know one pio.

Yes, some Indians do spell it that way but very few. I did check that before posting. Probability of it being a Paki spelling is more than the probability of it being an Indian spelling. This is like Narinder Modi.

KLNMurthy · Post by **KLNMurthy** » 10 Feb 2015 12:58

Anujan wrote:There is more than what meets the eye in that document. A recent newspaper article was censored for reporting on it. A few copies of the newspaper were smuggled out.

Please lose no time in publicizing far and wide this evidence of Hindu perfidy.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 10 Feb 2015 13:45

Singha wrote:there are some who spell it as BataCharia. I used to know one pio.

Hey you are the guy who keeps meeting these alternate spelling named fellows!

Vikas · Post by **Vikas** » 10 Feb 2015 14:13

What non sense. That is why I hate PeeAarEff.
Nowadays you can't trust even a genuine Paki source. What has this world come to ?

Is that a July 25th date printed on the letter while letter was printed on 10th Jan 2015 (Minor typo I guess by Yindoo typist).

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 10 Feb 2015 14:29

shiv wrote:
kancha wrote:^^

This has been doing rounds on Paki forums for last few weeks. Had dismissed it as a flight of fancy, but might it actually have something more to it?
These mofos need to learn Photoshopping from their Chinese bilathels. The date and the document code are in a completely different font and they are not even in line with each other.This is like the man who complained that his wife was infertile when it turned out that he had been attacking the navel since his honeymoon night. Pakis are such utter morons. .

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 10 Feb 2015 15:20

When said letter is printed on good old A4, two possibilities emerge.

Either paper shortage has meant that the RAW A4 has shrunk to the size of a small chit, or all the hindus have been reduced to near legal blindness, due to excessive navel attacking not to mention the inferior rice diet. So they must converse in 24pt or larger font. Which is it? the rice diet or navel contemplation?

Is it routine to write in such a large font With 0 margins and 5 different font sizes and how did they manage to print it without cutting off parts of the header/logo?

By the way, be careful with that there baramula bazar operation. I hear it has been leaked.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 10 Feb 2015 17:03

Shreeman wrote:When said letter is printed on good old A4, two possibilities emerge.

Either paper shortage has meant that the RAW A4 has shrunk to the size of a small chit, or all the hindus have been reduced to near legal blindness, due to excessive navel attacking not to mention the inferior rice diet. So they must converse in 24pt or larger font. Which is it? the rice diet or navel contemplation?

Is it routine to write in such a large font With 0 margins and 5 different font sizes and how did they manage to print it without cutting off parts of the header/logo?

By the way, be careful with that there baramula bazar operation. I hear it has been leaked.

Bejidej, and I can't resist this - it sayj "Top Secret" at bottom of page also. Shouldn't it be "Top secret" on top of page and "Bottom secret" at bottom?

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 10 Feb 2015 17:36

Shiv, LOL!

There are two versions of this document out there.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-oQDZ6Rz028I/V ... ative2.jpg

The only Photoshop I did is to resize the versions to approximately the same size (make the line under "RESEARCH & ANALYSIS WING" to be of the same length in both), and cut & paste them into a single file.

Notice the different line breaks in the paragraphs, the different positions of the graphiti, and the differing content of the graffiti.

Larger size at the link above.

CRamS · Post by **CRamS** » 10 Feb 2015 19:15

Guys, not related to this thready one bit, but since this is one of the most visited thread, I ask, but in which thread is Kujliwaal's landslide being discussed? I will delete this after I get a reply.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 10 Feb 2015 19:25

Singha wrote:there are some who spell it as BataCharia. I used to know one pio.

Also likely that it is not CIA otherwise it would have been spelled, as "Battery Charger"..

Pakistan was always known for forging documents.. sometimes quite crudely..

... One of the main reason, US changed the design of its green card in 80's was that Pakistan was producing forgeries (by a stolen machine from US consulate) which were hard to distinguish.

Satya_anveshi · Post by **Satya_anveshi** » 10 Feb 2015 19:34

CRamS wrote:Guys, not related to this thready one bit, but since this is one of the most visited thread, I ask, but in which thread is Kujliwaal's landslide being discussed? I will delete this after I get a reply.

Nukkad wadis are not allowing that discussion on Mil, Strat, and Eco forums

. However, there may be a thread called Great Indian Political Drama outside of these forums within BR. It is finders keep.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 10 Feb 2015 21:47

Pakistan's banned organisations list to match UN blacklist
Usual paki Shenanigans

ISLAMABAD: Interior Minister Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan on Tuesday directed Secretary Interior Shahid Khan to coordinate with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to reconcile a ‘national list’ of proscribed organisations as per the blacklist of the United Nations.An official of the Interior Ministry told Dawn.com that the ministry had already included the Haqqani Network and JuD in the list of proscribed outfits but the government was reluctant to make formally announcement in this regard.The official said that the number of proscribed outfits in Pakistan has reached 72 as it includes 12 other organisations in the list of banned outfits while the number of banned outfits could be increase in next few weeks.“The government also decided to monitor the activities of the leadership of the banned outfits while it was also decided to restrict the movement of the leadership of the banned outfits within the country,” the official added.According to the documents available with Dawn.com, the interior ministry has added Harkat-ul-Jihad Islami, Harkat-ul-Mujahideen, Falah-i-Insaniat Foundation, Ummah Tameer-i-Nau, Haji Khairullah Hajji Sattar Money Exchange, Rahat Limited, Roshan Money Exchange, Al Akhtar Trust, Al Rashid Trust, Haqqani network and Jamaatud Dawa to the list of proscribed organisations.According to the official, the minister also directed the officials of the ministry and NACTA to fine-tune the procedure of proscription to ensure that such organisations do not reemerge with new names and nomenclatures.“The National Coordinator of the NACTA informed the participants of the meeting that the authority has prepared a draft of national counter terrorism narrative which will be finalized soon after its approval from the prime minister,” the official added.Secretary Interior Shahid Khan told the participants of the meeting that a bill aimed to make illegal mobile SIM’s a cognizable offence has been tabled in the National Assembly while the process is underway to enable PTA to block any unwanted activity relating to extremism and militancy on social media.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 10 Feb 2015 21:51

So basically all those organizations will now have to change their name and continue business as usual -- what a freaking bunch of paki terrorist morons...so transparently doing the same thing over and over, decade after decade.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 10 Feb 2015 21:57

the terrorist-funding a$$wipes in the US state dept. have removed the JuD from the list of terrorist organizations after adding it in last year...doing some favours for their beggarly buggerly paki girlfriend, no doubt. Handing over some shopping money as a precursor to indulging in some spousal abuse, metaphorically speaking.

http://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/other/des/123085.htm

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 10 Feb 2015 22:00

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2goyu ... -2015_news

Kerry at Munich security Conference. But Sir, Paki have done all this many time in 71 and ever since. They just got the taste of the fruit of their own Karma.

A_Gupta · Post by **A_Gupta** » 10 Feb 2015 22:17

Tuvaluan wrote:the terrorist-funding a$$wipes in the US state dept. have removed the JuD from the list of terrorist organizations after adding it in last year...doing some favours for their beggarly buggerly paki girlfriend, no doubt. Handing over some shopping money as a precursor to indulging in some spousal abuse, metaphorically speaking.

http://www.state.gov/j/ct/rls/other/des/123085.htm

I don't see the listing or delisting of JuD on that page.

elsewhere, there are the synonyms for LeT (in the annual reports on terrorism)

aka al Mansooreen; Al Mansoorian; Army of the Pure; Army of the Pure and Righteous; Army of the Righteous; Lashkar e-Toiba; Lashkar-i-Taiba; Paasban-e-Ahle-Hadis; Paasban-e-Kashmir; Paasban-i-Ahle-Hadith; Pasban-e-Ahle-Hadith; Pasban-e-Kashmir; Jamaat-ud-Dawa; JUD; Jama’at al-Dawa; Jamaat ud-Daawa; Jamaat ul-Dawah; Jamaat-ul-Dawa; Jama’at-i-Dawat; Jamaiat-ud-Dawa; Jama’at-ud-Da’awah; Jama’at-ud-Da’awa; Jamaati-ud-Dawa; Idara Khidmat-e-Khalq; Falah-i-Insaniat Foundation; FiF; Falah-e-Insaniat Foundation; Falah-e-Insaniyat; Falah-i-Insaniyat; Falah Insania; Welfare of Humanity; Humanitarian Welfare Foundation; Human Welfare Foundation

Also this press-release:
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2014/06/228431.htm

On June 25, 2014, the State Department announced amendments to the Foreign Terrorist Organization (FTO) and Specially Designated Global Terrorist (SDGT) entity designations of Lashkar-e-Tayyiba (LET), pursuant to Section 219 of the Immigration and Nationality Act and section 1(b) of Executive Order (E.O.) 13224. The Department of State has also reviewed the FTO designation of LET and maintained it, in accordance with Section 219 of the Immigration and Nationality Act.

The Department has amended LET’s designations to add the following aliases: Jama’at-ud-Dawa, Al-Anfal Trust, Tehrik-e-Hurmat-e-Rasool, and Tehrik-e-Tahafuz Qibla Awwal. In conjunction with these actions, the Department of the Treasury also designated two LET senior members as SDGTs under E.O. 13224.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 10 Feb 2015 22:21

About that possible RAW Topsy-krat dokument:

Why are there roman symbols around Ashoka lion symbol? The roman grain symbol is common across many derivatives of the Byzantine-Greko-Roman states, but I dont think i have seen it anywhere in official GOI stuff.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 11 Feb 2015 02:35

LokeshC wrote:About that possible RAW Topsy-krat dokument:

Why are there roman symbols around Ashoka lion symbol? The roman grain symbol is common across many derivatives of the Byzantine-Greko-Roman states, but I dont think i have seen it anywhere in official GOI stuff.

Kafir, don't you know after the eeytalian took charge its all being romanised! Correction Tuscanyized.

Tuvaluan · Post by **Tuvaluan** » 11 Feb 2015 02:42

A_Gupta, thanks for links. the link I posted was the 2015 version of the FTO doc., which supercedes the 2014 version of that doc, I believe. I suppose you are saying that Executive orders hold for both years? else don't see how the definitions in the 2014 doc apply to 2015.

gandharva · Post by **gandharva** » 11 Feb 2015 02:58

Retired general: 'Probable' Pakistan knew of Bin Laden's whereabouts

The former spy chief, Lt. Gen. Asad Durrani, said it was “more probable” than not that his country’s government knew of the late Al Qaeda leader’s location, speculating that “the idea was that at the right time, his location would be revealed. And the right time would have been when you can get the necessary quid pro quo.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/02/o ... z3RNoPt61S

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 11 Feb 2015 03:46

ramana wrote:
LokeshC wrote:About that possible RAW Topsy-krat dokument:

Why are there roman symbols around Ashoka lion symbol? The roman grain symbol is common across many derivatives of the Byzantine-Greko-Roman states, but I dont think i have seen it anywhere in official GOI stuff.
Kafir, don't you know after the eeytalian took charge its all being romanised! Correction Tuscanyized.

Real Kufar is there aint Tow and P sound in Arabic. In Pakholy Lanuage its Bronounced as Taaaib Sekraat.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 11 Feb 2015 04:03

gandharva wrote:

Retired general: 'Probable' Pakistan knew of Bin Laden's whereabouts

The former spy chief, Lt. Gen. Asad Durrani, said it was “more probable” than not that his country’s government knew of the late Al Qaeda leader’s location, speculating that “the idea was that at the right time, his location would be revealed. And the right time would have been when you can get the necessary quid pro quo.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/02/o ... z3RNoPt61S

From above:

In a March 2014 article for The New York Times Magazine, Carlotta Gall cited a Pakistani official who claimed to have “direct evidence” that then-ISI Director-General Ahmed Shuja Pasha was aware that bin Laden was in Abbottabad

If any one has more information please post here:

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 11 Feb 2015 04:09

The article referred above is here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/23/magaz ... laden.html

What Pakistan Knew About Bin Laden

By CARLOTTA GALLMARCH 19, 2014

Shortly after the Sept. 11 attacks, I went to live and report for The New York Times in Afghanistan. I would spend most of the next 12 years there, following the overthrow of the Taliban, feeling the excitement of the freedom and prosperity that was promised in its wake and then watching the gradual dissolution of that hope. A new Constitution and two rounds of elections did not improve the lives of ordinary Afghans; the Taliban regrouped and found increasing numbers of supporters for their guerrilla actions; by 2006, as they mounted an ambitious offensive to retake southern Afghanistan and unleashed more than a hundred suicide bombers, it was clear that a deadly and determined opponent was growing in strength, not losing it. As I toured the bomb sites and battlegrounds of the Taliban resurgence, Afghans kept telling me the same thing: The organizers of the insurgency were in Pakistan, specifically in the western district of Quetta. Police investigators were finding that many of the bombers, too, were coming from Pakistan.

<snip>
People knew that the house was strange, and one local rumor had it that it was a place where wounded Taliban from Waziristan recuperated. I was told this by Musharraf’s former civilian intelligence chief, who had himself been accused of having a hand in hiding Bin Laden in Abbottabad. He denied any involvement, but he did not absolve local intelligence agents, who would have checked the house. All over the country, Pakistan’s various intelligence agencies — the ISI, the Intelligence Bureau and Military Intelligence — keep safe houses for undercover operations. They use residential houses, often in quiet, secure neighborhoods, where they lodge people for interrogation or simply enforced seclusion. Detainees have been questioned by American interrogators in such places and sometimes held for months. Leaders of banned militant groups are often placed in protective custody in this way. Others, including Taliban leaders who took refuge in Pakistan after their fall in Afghanistan in 2001, lived under a looser arrangement, with their own guards but also known to their Pakistani handlers, former Pakistani officials told me. Because of Pakistan’s long practice of covertly supporting militant groups, police officers — who have been warned off or even demoted for getting in the way of ISI operations — have learned to leave such safe houses alone.
The split over how to handle militants is not just between the ISI and the local police; the intelligence service itself is compartmentalized. In 2007, a former senior intelligence official who worked on tracking members of Al Qaeda after Sept. 11 told me that while one part of the ISI was engaged in hunting down militants, another part continued to work with them.
Soon after the Navy SEAL raid on Bin Laden’s house, a Pakistani official told me that the United States had direct evidence that the ISI chief, Lt. Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha, knew of Bin Laden’s presence in Abbottabad. The information came from a senior United States official, and I guessed that the Americans had intercepted a phone call of Pasha’s or one about him in the days after the raid. “He knew of Osama’s whereabouts, yes,” the Pakistani official told me. The official was surprised to learn this and said the Americans were even more so. Pasha had been an energetic opponent of the Taliban and an open and cooperative counterpart for the Americans at the ISI. “Pasha was always their blue-eyed boy,” the official said. But in the weeks and months after the raid, Pasha and the ISI press office strenuously denied that they had any knowledge of Bin Laden’s presence in Abbottabad.

<snip>

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 11 Feb 2015 04:11

So maybe some ISI guy(s) sold the location to massa and all the doctor charade is cover for that!

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 11 Feb 2015 08:35

The Carlotta Gall's piece reprinted in Pakistan. This is actually a true photograph.

Anujan · Post by **Anujan** » 11 Feb 2015 08:40

ramana wrote:So maybe some ISI guy(s) sold the location to massa and all the doctor charade is cover for that!

Actually it is just an attempt to save H&D. By suggesting that Pakis actually sold OBL out (there will be nobody to confirm nor deny), the waters can be muddied from the west accusing Pakis of sheltering OBL (which is what they probably did) and Massa bull cuttled him anyway.

Most probably what happened was that the Pakis were sheltering OBL. Massa greased some ISI afsaar with goris and greenbacks (remember that they had about 10 years from 2001 to cultivate mid level ISI afsaars who would have become high level ISI afsaars in 2011) who then sold out OBL. Now Pakis are making it appear as though it was a well thought out strategy*

They hid OBL. They were caught with their pants down. Like how they have been caught with their pants down dozens of times before.

* Remember what Mushy said after Kargil? "We internationalized the Kashmir issue, which was our aim all along". SDREs were dhoti shivering and throwing towels about intelligence failures. Mushy was boasting that they won after downhill skiing. This is the confidence gap between SDREs and gas bag TFTAs.

RCase · Post by **RCase** » 11 Feb 2015 09:12

^^^

Nice one that 'Confidence Gap' instead of the cliched 'Trust Deficit'!

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 11 Feb 2015 09:14

Lets be clear on one point:

haddith wrote:Thou shall wear naught, but, shalwar.

I hope people will pay heed and stop making these unsubstantiated allegations re. "pants-down". No pants, hence not down.

Brown shalwar, yes. Established tradition. A shalwar is historically designed to be brown. At the earliest possible opportunity.

So there.

member_22733 · Post by **member_22733** » 11 Feb 2015 09:34

Anujan wrote:The Carlotta Gall's piece reprinted in Pakistan. This is actually a true photograph.
[*img]http://i.imgur.com/fTGEWF1.jpg?1[*/img]

This is the great NYT that tells us to be "more open" about religion and sikularism.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 11 Feb 2015 10:29

Karan M wrote:
Idiots can't even spell Bhattacharya right.

In opening scene in "Hero" film Sunny Deol's appears as RAW spy Bhattacharya in NY. Dumbasses probably took it from there.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 11 Feb 2015 11:23

Anujan, Its also possible that Assad Durrani might be pointing TTP towards ISI.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 11 Feb 2015 13:27

Certainly, the US did not fly into a rage against Pakistan after killing OBL. Their reaction has been very muted. OTOH, they have been quite critical of the Pakistani support extended to the Haqqanis.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 11 Feb 2015 13:30

LOL Paul, you probably nailed it.

JE Menon · Post by **JE Menon** » 11 Feb 2015 13:32

The former spy chief, Lt. Gen. Asad Durrani, said it was “more probable” than not that his country’s government knew of the late Al Qaeda leader’s location, speculating that “the idea was that at the right time, his location would be revealed. And the right time would have been when you can get the necessary quid pro quo.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/02/o ... z3RNoPt61S

^^Sven Smalgand, the roving Scandinavian, has had something to say on the matter. Kindly view and like.

Added later: Broken link fixed

Shreeman · Post by **Shreeman** » 11 Feb 2015 14:18

^^ The link, it is broken in this post. Bjorn would have asked why Durrani is being given a platform to voice an opinion at all.

Shouldnt an association with a mass murderer be subject of a different kind of investigation? And what of zawahiri and Omar? What is the quid pro quo for them? Or the doctor? Why is he in jail if it was ISI that let the cat out of the bag?

All troubling questions, that only real journalists can ask and not the made up ones that write these "quality" articles.