tsarkar wrote:Even Klub missiles had failures that were traced to incorrect coordinates fed to missile INS by submarine fire control.
Saar, can you please elaborate on why the Klub missile was a failure, if the incorrect coordinates were fed into it. I read, a while back, that the IN had issues with the Klub missile.
The issue was traced to sub Fire Control feeding incorrect INS data to the missile. The missiles were fine and worked flawlessly after the issue was traced and rectified.
Re: Singha - All 877 submarines have land attack Klub while Talwar & Shivalik use Anti Ship Klub. BrahMos is better because of terminal manoeuvre capability
arun wrote:^^^ Disappointing news that the NOTAM has been cancelled indicating the test stands postponed.
Time for GOI to contract Kim Jong Un to give some “Field Guidance” to DRDO and repeat the rapidity with which the Pukguksong project has moved along
With the Hwasong 14 ICBM being sucessfully tested for the second time (DPRK announces 2nd successful test of Hwasong 14 missile), seems an appropriate time to revist the suggestion made on page 3 of this thread that maybe it is time for GOI to contract Kim Jong Un to give some “Field Guidance” to DRDO and repeat the rapidity with which the Pukguksong and Hwasong 14 projects have moved along .
I still believe the complete motor integration should be moved out to such a partner or BDL.
while reading some stuff on google, I found a private company which makes casing for artillery shell for MoD.I assumed this goes to OFB, which just do the filling and dump it on IA.
I wondered if there is a private company which is allowed to produce explosives. Maybe maybe.. this company is completing the piece of the puzzle. May be there is alternate source for ammo like artillery production.
GoI is indirectly pushing OFB to the background by allowing DRDO to pick production partners. And ATAGS is a perfect template, where OFB is allowed only in barrel production, with Bharat Forge being a secondary source.
geeth wrote:^^^ Same with Seacat missiles...or even worse. When, after firing, when the missile was not able to find/track its target, I believe it had a tendency to home on to the mothership!
The Tigercat, land based version of Seacat is considered as bigger flop. IAF used it for airfield defence but I have never heard any news about them at all. Probably we paid and we stored them properly so they do not get damaged
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Heavy Alloy Penetrator Project (HAPP), a unit of Ordnance Factory Board, Govt. of
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pertaining to Indian Army and Navy.
jayasimha wrote:NOTICE INVITING EXPRESSION OF INTEREST
Heavy Alloy Penetrator Project (HAPP), a unit of Ordnance Factory Board, Govt. of
India, Ministry of Defence, is engaged in manufacturing of different Ammunition hardware
pertaining to Indian Army and Navy.
jayasimha wrote:NOTICE INVITING EXPRESSION OF INTEREST
Heavy Alloy Penetrator Project (HAPP), a unit of Ordnance Factory Board, Govt. of
India, Ministry of Defence, is engaged in manufacturing of different Ammunition hardware
pertaining to Indian Army and Navy.
Karan M wrote:These tests are of the initial batches circa 2014.
Guess who makes the Akash motors? Then you can figure out the rest and questions about velocity, this, that in production models when tests webt ok
BEL and BDL are the integrators for the missile.
The report also notes that the IAF didn't store those missiles properly. They require air conditioned facilities, with indoor conditions maintained at 23 +/- 2 degrees C and 55 +/- 5% relative humidity. Instead, they were stored in unconditioned warehouses, and moisture crept in.
OK. I finally read the tender. HAPP is now second source for those types of ammo.
They want 6000 Base Bleed adapters for 155 mm shell. They probably make more but these are the requirements.
Odd thing is the BB unit has a HAPP drawing.
Wonder is HAPP innards are being put in some of those shells for bunker busting?
How can you avoid falling in love with this missile? Absolute beauty! Seems like a slimmer version of the Akash missile. I think the project for adapting the Brahmos missile to aircraft has given designers the confidence to go around miniaturising existing missiles. Hopefully this missile, once successful in the air-to-air mode will also become a replacement for bulkier '80s looking' Akash missile.
Iron Fist' at Pokhran, IndiaIndia to Deploy Two Ballistic Missile Defense Systems Near Pakistan Border
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15:13 07.08.2017
The ballistic missile defense grid that will protect the western and northern regions of the country will help guard New Delhi and Mumbai.
An Agni IV missile capable of carrying nuclear warhead and a range of 2,500-3,500 kilometers is displayed during the main Republic Day parade in New Delhi, India, Thursday, Jan. 26, 2012
Once Aimed at Pakistan, Indian Nuclear Program Sets Missile Sights on China
New Delhi (Sputnik) — India has decided to install its homemade ballistic missile defense systems at two villages in the western state of Rajasthan. The villages in Alwar and Pali are both less than 800 kilometers from the Pakistani capital Islamabad.
The counter attack missiles will be able to provide double layered security with the capacity to shoot down enemy missiles both within the earth's atmosphere (endo-atmospheric) and outside it (exo-atmospheric). State owned Defense Research and Development Organization (DRDO) had conceived the programme in 1999 and since then, the programme has witnessed many trials and upgrades.
The ready version consists of long-range tracking radar developed in partnership with Israeli company Elta. The second component is a computerized command and control system that plots and predicts the intruding missile's flight path and assigns interceptor missiles to destroy it. The third component is the interceptor missiles and includes the endo-atmospheric missile can intercept incoming targets at an altitude of 15 to 25 kilometers and the exo-atmospheric missile can kill an incoming ballistic missile within the range of 2000km. DRDO has claimed that the strike range of the exo-atmospheric missile is being upgraded to 5000 km.
No, this is not. I had reported the tender for this long time back. IDRW made it their exclusive.
Anyhow, the airframe is based out of Astra. The SFDR motor is in-house development (has been on for almost a decade now, if not more). It is not borrowed from Brahmos, or Akash. I did see a LFRJ engine with the same diameter of Akash, and the four air inlets. However, I don't know the end use of such a system. It could be to understand the motor first.
Katare wrote:Wont these anti-ballistic missile needs to be at the target to protect it? If missile is going to land at Delhi how would you protect it from Alwar?
Why? The ABM need not be based in Delhi to hit a missile going towards Delhi.
A ballistic missile interceptor needs to reach an intercept-point at a given time to execute the mission. It need not matter where the missile is launched from as long as you can generate the PIP early enough, and can correct for any errors through update (of course physically reach the point which depends upon the trajectory and velocity of the incoming warhead and the interceptor envelope). Of course the larger this envelope the most design cost there is on the interceptor and the associated targeting system.
For 25 km altitude how far can you put it from where the missile is going to land? I thought all SAM provide a bubble of protection zone around target. So best place for the SAM is right at the target so it should be same for the anti-ballistic missiles. I can't understand how it would work from interceptor range POV? Interception point would depend on the range and altitude capability of the interceptor. We know the altitude is 25 km (0r 100km) not sure of the range but assuming very high speed and short reaction time avilable it can't be more than 2 to 3x of the altitude? What am i missing
I think only the Radar sites are in those villages giving very early launch warning which will enable course, height and target prediction early on. This will give the interceptors located near Delhi and Mumbai lots of time to work out intercept vectors. Probably aided by radar sites near the cities as well.
Eventually if India is able to customize and integrate the Russian long range S400 system interceptors, which are being negotiated? and base them near the Pakistan border, it will provide India a triple layer defence i.e. boost phase and two terminal phase layers.
Added later: Sorry, checked the map, Alwar is about 100-120 kms south of the NCR and the site is designed to detect Pakistani missiles launched towards Northern India, especially Delhi. Pali also in Rajasthan is located such that it can detect all launches made from Central and Southern Pakistan and heading towards Mumbai and other places further south. So at this point in time it will be a 2 layer terminal phase interception i.e. exo and endo atmospheric which is what DRDO has been testing all these years. The location of these two sites indicates that the radars are capable of looking deep into Pakistan for missile launches, probably with maximum ranges of 600-800 kms, maybe more.
Indranil wrote:No, this is not. I had reported the tender for this long time back. IDRW made it their exclusive.
Anyhow, the airframe is based out of Astra. The SFDR motor is in-house development (has been on for almost a decade now, if not more). It is not borrowed from Brahmos, or Akash. I did see a LFRJ engine with the same diameter of Akash, and the four air inlets. However, I don't know the end use of such a system. It could be to understand the motor first.
What Fuel Akash uses exactly..? I couldn't find out quickly on Google. Its said to have Integrated Ram Rocket motor.
Once we master Ducted rocket system we can produce very long range (~300km) A2A and A2G missiles of all sorts easily. Key thing would be start-stop-start control.