Re: Hamas attack.on Israel. Oct 2023
Posted: 13 Oct 2023 06:48
Signatories at Harvard supporting Hamas have been backing down after facing exposure:
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It is legit because it's true and relevant to the topic under discussion. And yes, I stand by the "mandate" remark -- not just for children but for all kaffirs (including apostate RoPers). You clearly are either an ignoramus (because you don't know about the mandates) or a posturing, posing, virtue-signalling hypocrite (because you know I'm right but are in a snit because I had the temerity to point it out).Cain Marko wrote: ↑12 Oct 2023 09:52 ...
Read my response to Roop (to which you took umbrage) carefully. I stood against dissing the the icon of a religion dear to millions in India as someone who "mandates" the beheading of children. How is that legit?
Sure but for the fact that millions in India who define said religion differently. Your screaming "death cult" "death cult" is not going to help there is it? Or do you plan to somehow get rid of those millions via some clever scheme short of what a "death cult" would come up with?Cyrano wrote: ↑12 Oct 2023 12:34This is pure Nandi droppings.Sir, who is being referred to as PBUH in Roop's post? And what do you think Indian Muslims sentiments are about said PBUH who "mandated" the beheading of babies? If attacking the icon of a religion does not constitute attacking said religion, what does?
It's time the rest of the world calls this evil cult of death for what it is. The clarion call "There is no true god but mine" is in itself a totally bigoted statement.
Such cults must be called out and attacked at every logical and philosophical level. To the extent that the followers of Islam display such bigoted behaviour by inaction, tacit support or overt action, they should and must be fought appropriately.
Forget all the history and geopolitics that have refrained and desisted from calling Islam a cult of death - which is exactly the fear inspired appeasement that has kept this cult of death alive.
In every compromise between good and evil, good loses something and evil gains something. Each individual, society and country must adopt this zero tolerance to bigotry policy. Else they will get the just desserts of what they bargained with.
That was a point that I was trying to make, but I guess failed quite miserably. Dehumanizing the other via propoganda is hardly new when it comes to various media and political establishments.vijaykarthik wrote: ↑12 Oct 2023 17:34 The beheaded babies has been doing the rounds for a few decades now. Except for one journalist who has picked it, I dont think there is a lot of confidence in that view. I hear its more to dehumanise the enemy than anything else. But a lot of the videos are shocking and morally depraving.
Can you back up your claim about this "Mandate" to kill babies? Yeah? Source please. If not, STFU. We'll soon see who is the ignoramus, who is the hypocrite and who is an agenda driven moron who does little but provoke trouble. And yes, nice try to include "all kaffirs" (this was hardly an unknown) - talk about hypocrisy.Roop wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023 07:23It is legit because it's true and relevant to the topic under discussion. And yes, I stand by the "mandate" remark -- not just for children but for all kaffirs (including apostate RoPers). You clearly are either an ignoramus (because you don't know about the mandates) or a posturing, posing, virtue-signalling hypocrite (because you know I'm right but are in a snit because I had the temerity to point it out).Cain Marko wrote: ↑12 Oct 2023 09:52 ...
Read my response to Roop (to which you took umbrage) carefully. I stood against dissing the the icon of a religion dear to millions in India as someone who "mandates" the beheading of children. How is that legit?
And with that, I have said all that I wanted to say on this topic. No more from me.
There are Christian Jihadis too in all places in the West, with the mandate to eradicate idol worship. They are White and go around in a suit and tie, so appear harmless or evolved, but are no better than Hamas.vimal wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023 06:26 Can’t help notice the difference in attitude aka complete Hypocrisy of west when it comes to Israel vs India. Forget condemnation, they don’t even issue a statement condemning their Paki munna even after repeated attacks. Blinken is in Israel with full military support while he preaches democracy to India.
Also, same South Asia groups frequently organize anti Hindu conferences and activities year round and are protected by American institutions.
Manishji, I took your post from a geopolitical perspective. I was looking at that "baby genocide" thing also from the same macro perspective. Was it a means to get the US involved in Eyeran and start some kind of GWOT II? And it is for that reason that I hope India treads carefully, and doesn't get roped into something that is frankly an Abrahamic issue.Manish_P wrote: ↑12 Oct 2023 11:06Cain Marko ji, pls. don't misunderstand my post as being about the beheading claims. It was very specific to your point about us (India and Indians) 'not having any skin in the game'.Cain Marko wrote: ↑12 Oct 2023 10:15 ...
The last thing India (or anyone) would want is US boots on the ground in Iran. And there are already shrill cries for exactly such a war. That is where "world family" will be really in trouble Manishji. And my skepticism about the egregious beheading thing stems from that concern. Imagine if this is another attempt at "manufacturing consent" and it actually works like those famous vials of WMD. Noone was benefitted from the first GWOT, least of all India. I doubt GWOT II will have any benefits either.
Like it or not, we ARE a player in the Game. Always have been. Over centuries. To give ourselves a false sense of security most of us have thought (or rather have been conditioned into thinking) of ourselves are being mere 'spectators'. That we are sitting on some boundary lines watching the game. If we really look about we will find that we are on the same field. Only our match timings were different. Some day in the future, we might well be on center court, again.
And the thing about spectators is that no-one really cares about them anyway. Everyone just wants their money.
Coming to the specific thread topic, we need to see how we can use this to our advantage. Be it internally (weeding out the jihadists & their supporters) and externally (including the khalistanis and their supporters).
Rajesh sir. Thank you for the tip on Jewish customs, much appreciated.SRajesh wrote: ↑12 Oct 2023 11:25 CMji
here's a bit of Jewish Tradition:
The principle of kevod ha-meit [treating the dead with honor] underlies several other important issues with regard to the disposition of the body.
In general, Jewish tradition forbids autopsies on the grounds that the body is sacred and should not be violated after death.
“The dust shall return to the earth as it was, and the spirit shall return to God who gave it.” According to some authorities, cremation is absolutely forbidden, so much so that no funeral rites are offered and the survivors are not allowed to observe any of the rites of mourning, including the recitation of the Kaddish.
Now to IDF
The Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) invited foreign journalists to see the aftermath of a massacre by Hamas militants at the kibbutz on Tuesday.
Agreed that there is no third party confirmation that I can provide except for Soldiers reporting
Agreed. But hideous as it is, it seems that other cultures also engaged in said practice - including the Native Americans and ancient Egyptians.Looking at the Abrahamics, all having been cut from the same jib, dont you think that its plausible this attitude of defiling of the body is a deliberate attempt to inflict more pain??
AmberGji, was your post directed at mine? I noticed these ^^^ and wondered. Frankly I have not kept up with the entire Harvard thing and how universities and colleges have gotten involved in this mess. But from what you posted it seems quite the response. In any case, I don't get how such presumably "bright" minds have come up with the idea that Israel was "entirely responsible" for the atrocities.Amber G. wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023 08:24 ^^^ Harvard students are freaking out after a truck is driving around the school, displaying names of students who allegedly signed a letter blaming Israel for Hamas’ terror attacks.
The digital screen on the truck says “Harvard’s Leading Antisemites” and named the 34 students who claimed Israel was “entirely responsible” for the Hamas attacks.
The truck was launched by Accuracy in Media who said it’s “incredibly important to know who the hateful antisemites are in our society. And it’s important for people to know that their actions have consequences..
Per many newspapers: Wall Street wants names of people basing Israel after these attacks.
Many Indian VC's and CEO's are waking up ... many parents are waking up..
Something like <this will be nice>Lisa wrote: ↑11 Oct 2023 22:06 There is a need for a Wikipedia type section on this forum that can be used as a reference tool when these names crop up. Such a section should be maintained so that a public track of their nefarious acts can be kept and curated with regular updates. A complete Bio of these quislings should be attached so that they can be pinned when they transgress. If this site cannot host such content, I will gladly acquire and provide a server in a friendly country - that is immune to sanctions- for the same.
I have absolutely no software knowledge but will happy assist.
Understand your thought process, Cain ji. Not really contradictory with mine nor are we at cross-purposes.Cain Marko wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023 08:03 ...
Manishji, I took your post from a geopolitical perspective. I was looking at that "baby genocide" thing also from the same macro perspective. Was it a means to get the US involved in Eyeran and start some kind of GWOT II? And it is for that reason that I hope India treads carefully, and doesn't get roped into something that is frankly an Abrahamic issue.
yes Cain ji, i agree that even i am searching is there any sunnat that "mandate" to kill babies and i have not found. the only thing nearest i have found is Dawood 4404Cain Marko wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023 07:45 Can you back up your claim about this "Mandate" to kill babies? Yeah? Source please. If not, STFU. We'll soon see who is the ignoramus, who is the hypocrite and who is an agenda driven moron who does little but provoke trouble. And yes, nice try to include "all kaffirs" (this was hardly an unknown) - talk about hypocrisy.
but i am still not able to accept that Hamas could go and kill less than 2 yr babies the way they did. . just think of this horror ‘Her Belly Was Ripped Open, Baby Stabbed’: Israeli Rescuers Share Tales of Hamas Horror and the worst is people trying to justify it it is unbelievableNarrated Atiyyah al-Qurazi: I was among the captives of Banu Qurayzah. They (the Companions) examined us, and those who had begun to grow hair (pubes) were killed, and those who had not were not killed. I was among those who had not grown hair. Grade: Sahih (Al-Albani)
This is ridiculous. Israelis are overreaching. I condemn Hamas tactics but …Amber G. wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023 09:37 Breaking News (Many News sources): Israel's military informed the United Nations that the 1.1 million Palestinians in Gaza should relocate to the enclave's south within the next 24 hours, a UN spokesman said, in what Palestinians fear could be a precursor to an Israeli ground offensive
Nope.Vayutuvan wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023 10:02This is ridiculous. Israelis are overreaching. I condemn Hamas tactics but …Amber G. wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023 09:37 Breaking News (Many News sources): Israel's military informed the United Nations that the 1.1 million Palestinians in Gaza should relocate to the enclave's south within the next 24 hours, a UN spokesman said, in what Palestinians fear could be a precursor to an Israeli ground offensive
IMHO no. So Israel is also acting on one "demand" from Hamas. That is inform before hitting civilian buildings. This is like Gen. Dyer's stance of "They have had their warnings" (that is the targets could see the soliders forming up in position, and then pointing the rifles at them). The civilians have been asked to leave, and let Hamas deal with the logistics. This is a war which Hamas started, and the civilian population in Gaza allow these folks to control them.
After seeing Akshrdham/ 9-11 etc etc in last 2 decade the Indians know very well how it feels to be slaughtered even in your own city. Similarly the well aware one also knows how timely Israeli help during Kargil war saved lots of Indian Blood.RoyG wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023 01:33
Emotional theatrics aside, we've had a strong partnership but we are also on opposite sides in other conflict theaters. It's a marriage of convenience for now but things can change tom.
Hearing about Indians fight for Israel is the height of the servile colonial mentality. Jews aren't flocking to fight in Kahsmir. The proper way to think about this is to let them weaken so it gives you more leverage in the partnership.
Once we call Islam out for what it is and pull it down from the pedestal of being a"religion", the next step will be to support the growing ex Muslim movements across the world, eventually leading them to become atheists/agnostics and ultimately ghar waapsii.Cain Marko wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023 07:34 Sure but for the fact that millions in India who define said religion differently. Your screaming "death cult" "death cult" is not going to help there is it? Or do you plan to somehow get rid of those millions via some clever scheme short of what a "death cult" would come up with?
The critical component in the sanction, no food, no water and no fuel. Fuel is already scant and when filtered water begins to go scarce and population density doubles with no accommodation (as creeping fire destroys Gaza City and forces the population south), then Hamas has to explain what its end game is. Northern Gaza is already a dead man walking and the incision to divide Gaza between Gaza City and Khan Yunis is a forgone conclusion. IMHO.
Mollick.R wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023 12:21After seeing Akshrdham/ 9-11 etc etc in last 2 decade the Indians know very well how it feels to be slaughtered even in your own city. Similarly the well aware one also knows how timely Israeli help during Kargil war saved lots of Indian Blood.RoyG wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023 01:33
Emotional theatrics aside, we've had a strong partnership but we are also on opposite sides in other conflict theaters. It's a marriage of convenience for now but things can change tom.
Hearing about Indians fight for Israel is the height of the servile colonial mentality. Jews aren't flocking to fight in Kahsmir. The proper way to think about this is to let them weaken so it gives you more leverage in the partnership.
You can mock it with your global gyyan of "servile colonial mentality" or whatever but average Hindus do connect with pains & sufferings of Israelis.
But note that the Indians you are seeing online supporting Israel are those who have seen Israel extending help to India in tough times.
In India, we do not forget people who helped us in tough times and those who gave us tough times.
They provided us with stuff back in the 70s when we don't even have diplomatic relations with them, in the Kargil war they provided us with crucial tech which helped us a lot while kicking jihdis butts.
Actions should speak louder than words and they did that in the past, and no twitter exchange can change those facts.
How can condemnation from the West come when they are actively involved in hosting Khalistanis or propping up Pakistan. I would rather that the West suffer the same as we did and frankly, they are well on their way to endure that even. Let it happen. Let them suffer . It is inevitable in UK, Germany, Canada and US.vimal wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023 06:26 Can’t help notice the difference in attitude aka complete Hypocrisy of west when it comes to Israel vs India. Forget condemnation, they don’t even issue a statement condemning their Paki munna even after repeated attacks. Blinken is in Israel with full military support while he preaches democracy to India.
Also, same South Asia groups frequently organize anti Hindu conferences and activities year round and are protected by American institutions.
I slightly disagree on this, Israel has got great connections with US, and they compliment us in our US relations. Also we were able to bypass many of the US sanctions in technology through Israel's help in the tough days. In the current situation, we can get anything from France/US. Still to maintain the good relationship with US, Israel's role cannot be understated. we should continue good diplomatic relationship outside the glaring public eyes. May be once we're Atmanirbhar in Tech and other fields, we can have our choices.Neela wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023 15:16 What is happening in Israel is deplorable. But our support ends with voicing the same. They are of little use to us in our strategic independence posture. Its a tiny country. They can add values on tech and agri but there isnt much else. And even here, we can do without if we put our minds to it.
Ali Akbar Velayati, Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei’s top foreign-affairs aide, told Syrian Foreign Minister Faisal Mekdad in a Monday phone call that “whoever thinks they can solve their problems through normalization with the [Zionist] entity . . . should know that they are exposing the region to the dangers of their naïve plans, such as building corridors through the volatile Middle East.”
The corridor Velayati considers so dangerous is the India-Middle East-Europe Economic Corridor, a planned intercontinental trade route that would connect India to Europe via the United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Israel.
can you post the source on this nayarji. I would like to share the info.drnayar wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023 12:38 More hummus updates
Apparently Paki army or more particularly the SSG was /are the main training organisation for the Hamas !..also likely specific American weapons came from Ukraine via Pakistan!..where there is a" jihad" there is a Pakistani involved.,terror capital of the world.
SivaR wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023 17:14I slightly disagree on this, Israel has got great connections with US, and they compliment us in our US relations. Also we were able to bypass many of the US sanctions in technology through Israel's help in the tough days. In the current situation, we can get anything from France/US. Still to maintain the good relationship with US, Israel's role cannot be understated. we should continue good diplomatic relationship outside the glaring public eyes. May be once we're Atmanirbhar in Tech and other fields, we can have our choices.Neela wrote: ↑13 Oct 2023 15:16 What is happening in Israel is deplorable. But our support ends with voicing the same. They are of little use to us in our strategic independence posture. Its a tiny country. They can add values on tech and agri but there isnt much else. And even here, we can do without if we put our minds to it.
Speaking in unusually personal terms, Blinken recalled how his grandfather fled anti-Semitic pogroms in Russia and his stepfather survived Nazi concentration camps.
"I come before you not only as the United States secretary of state but also as a Jew," said Blinken, who has a secular background.
"I also come before you as a husband and father of young children. It's impossible for me to look at the photos of families killed, such as the mother, father, and three small children murdered as they sheltered in their home in Kibbutz Nir Oz, and not think of my own children," he said.
Blinken promised that the Biden administration and Congress would work together to meet military requests for Israel, which enjoys wide support across party lines.
"As Israel's defence needs evolve, we will work with Congress to make sure that they're met," he said."