Bharat Rakshak

iMac_too @iMac_too

Pappu ji @RahulGandhi, your govt in Maharashtra slapped section 144 for 2 months in Aurangabad city. Now withdraw the support

pankajs wrote:

Karan M wrote:
Really? That's literally how the 2 nation theory was pushed for, and led to the Direct Action Day, and the deaths, murders, rapes of countless non Muslims and later Muslims as well. Should we ignore that? Also, if Hindus start saying "Musalmano se Azadi" will that even be acceptable (leaving aside the ethical, moral aspects out of the picture).
Can anyone here for instance, walk around in *any* secular society with a large placard stating " i want freedom from muslims" and not suffer significant consequences or blow-back? If so, the other case should be held as equally offensive.

Some people think "Hinduon se azadi" or "Muslamano se azadi" is same as "Gareebi se azadi" when clearly it is not. Any slogan that pits one section of society, whether in the name of religion or language or caste or creed or race, is not acceptable.

Some people think having "absolute" FoS is the way to go, where as
a. FoS is not free or absolute. Any slogan that attempts to divide the population is to be condemned. Condemning such slogan is not only ethical but also the in line with Indian law and courts judgement.
b. Just because something may work in a relatively homogeneous"western" society does not mean it is correct for a diverse society like India.
c. This militant version of FoS, which originate in the west, has started to be questioned even in the western countries as they confront increasing diversity.

praksam wrote:When the Hindus come out in open, this is how it will be like.

https://twitter.com/abhi_thakurnew/stat ... 26947?s=09

Vidya @VidyaKrishnan

I don't understand how this govt has not fallen. What more will it take?

The economy is ruined, children are getting brutalized, women raped, soldiers used as canon fodder for election campaigns, he's threatened our citizenship... What more will it take?

pankajs wrote:Embedded video ...

https://twitter.com/swati_gs/status/1208244364364763136

Swati Goel Sharma @swati_gs

A faculty at IIT Kanpur has submitted this video and a complaint to director, alleging anti-India & communal statements made at a recent event held in 'solidarity with Jamia' & that event held without permission.

"When All Idols Will Be Removed...
Only Allah’s Name Will Remain"

https://twitter.com/swati_gs/status/120 ... uote]Swati Goel Sharma @swati_gs

That it is a poem by Faiz is mentioned in copy. I know it. I have merely reported about a complaint letter that has sparked a row in the campus.

Karan M wrote:

praksam wrote:When the Hindus come out in open, this is how it will be like.

https://twitter.com/abhi_thakurnew/stat ... 26947?s=09

Be as it may, this does not help at the current time. It only adds fuel to the fire.

Cain Marko wrote: Frankly I don't think this is an issue - the poem, at least in Muslim circles, is not considered a call to jihad or violence against any non muslims.

Cain Marko wrote:

Karan M wrote:
Be as it may, this does not help at the current time. It only adds fuel to the fire.

True but unless the current anti GOI protests calm down, it is only a matter of time before the majority starts lining up its own protests, marches etc. The LO apparatus will be hard pressed to contain the inevitable clashes that would be the result. This has the potential to be very dangerous and explosive unless diffused in a hurry. I'm not sure it is just going to blow over. Although I'm not entirely sure how to diffuse it either.

darshhan wrote:

Cain Marko wrote: True but unless the current anti GOI protests calm down, it is only a matter of time before the majority starts lining up its own protests, marches etc. The LO apparatus will be hard pressed to contain the inevitable clashes that would be the result. This has the potential to be very dangerous and explosive unless diffused in a hurry. I'm not sure it is just going to blow over. Although I'm not entirely sure how to diffuse it either.

Such protests(which are actually peaceful) by majority are by and large ok till now. Although attendees should be vetted very carefully. Seculars and islamics can always launch false flag ops donning the Hindu identity.

It is extremely important that majority does not take law in its own hand. That is for now at least. Let administration sort this out on their own. Now if the administration fails, then anyway there is a risk of civil war brewing.

Remember one thing. While it is not absolutely sacrosanct, our number one priority should be is to reach $10 tn economy by 2030. Ofcourse if push comes to shove, then all of you are wise enough.

Cain Marko wrote:Frankly I don't think this is an issue - the poem, at least in Muslim circles, is not considered a call to jihad or violence against any non muslims. To the contrary, it was purposely written as a heretical lyric against the establishment. The last verse is especially telling as it recounts the words of the Persian mystic, Hallaj, "An Al Haqq". Nor was the audience clamoring over the "destruction of idols", the applause was an expected response to the end of a couplet. Same as all the applause given to the other couplets.

More importantly, the students are not doing anything violent. so a gathering of this nature, where nothing specifically communal or anti India is being narrated, shouldn't be misconstrued as such. There is a lot worse being said and done by more blatantly mischievous people.

Ultimately, the Abrahamic traditions do consider idolatory as a strict no-no, so long as this doesn't cause them to attach those who worship idols, it should'nt be an issue. Otherwise one might as well censure every Christian/Jew in the land.

Having said this, I do believe the timing was terrible. Not the time to be saying such things.

True but unless the current anti GOI protests calm down, it is only a matter of time before the majority starts lining up its own protests, marches etc. The LO apparatus will be hard pressed to contain the inevitable clashes that would be the result. This has the potential to be very dangerous and explosive unless diffused in a hurry. I'm not sure it is just going to blow over. Although I'm not entirely sure how to diffuse it either.

Rony wrote:

Cain Marko wrote: Frankly I don't think this is an issue - the poem, at least in Muslim circles, is not considered a call to jihad or violence against any non muslims.

This song normalises the anti-Hindu bigotry and clearly iconoclastic. One one hand, Seculars are asking Hindus not to sing Vande mataram, not to have Hanuman posters, not to sport tilak, not to have durga processions to respect Muslim sentiments while Muslims are allowed to sing iconoclastic anti-Hindu songs. Accommodation and respecting sentiments should be a two way street. This applies to Christians too.

Ra Ch Na @raggedtag

Oh wow! I love my compatriots. Those who were blasting off #Aadhaar are now saying why not use that data and identify citizenship
#CAAProtest I can't hate you people when you make me laugh

Shashi Tharoor @ShashiTharoor

Disappointed & disturbed that a publication I respect, @IndiaToday, has curbed the freedom of its journalists to express opinions. Rumours suggest a second media house is following suit. It seems the intimidation implicit in the circular I tweeted ydy from I&B is working. Sad

Zee News Hindi
@ZeeNewsHindi
#UttarPradesh LIVE: हिंसा फैलाने वालों पर कार्रवाई, #Muzaffarnagar में उपद्रवियों की 47 दुकानें सील

Translated from Hindi by

#UttarPradesh LIVE: Action on perpetrators of violence, #Muzaffarnagar 47 shops of miscreants sealed in #CAA

Rony wrote:

Cain Marko wrote: Frankly I don't think this is an issue - the poem, at least in Muslim circles, is not considered a call to jihad or violence against any non muslims.

This song normalises the anti-Hindu bigotry and clearly iconoclastic. One one hand, Seculars are asking Hindus not to sing Vande mataram, not to have Hanuman posters, not to sport tilak, not to have durga processions to respect Muslim sentiments while Muslims are allowed to sing iconoclastic anti-Hindu songs. Accommodation and respecting sentiments should be a two way street. This applies to Christians too.

Karan M wrote:
Precisely, and it is at this point that claims that this was a poem by Faiz etc will no longer been seen as merely "revolutionary" but also as something deliberately mischievous and bigoted. This stuff of breaking idols etc is just unacceptable in a secular society which has seen violence on that account.

Karan M wrote:

Nikhil T wrote: +1. We cannot be patriotic while having visceral hatred towards a significant chunk of the population (the vice versa is applicable too). Anyone can protest any law or policy, they don't deserve being called anti-national just because they protest. I wonder if we would call Lt Gen Syed Ata Hasnain anti-national or anti-Hindu if he comes out against this law. Note that this is not to absolve the violent protesters of any crime - they must be punished as must their political mai-baaps.

This is rubbish.

If political protesters engage in rabid anti-Hindu sloganeering it deserves to be called out and noted for what it is. To claim that doing so is "visceral hatred towards a significant chunk of the population" is wrong. It implies that an entire community is full of bigots and hence its ok for them to do so, and one should ignore it. The worst kind of acceptance possible.

In fact, its the sloganeers who clearly have visceral hatred towards a significant chunk of the population.

"Hinduon se azaadi" is the worst kind of bigotry there is given both its historical antecedents and also what its being used today for, events like the Pulwama attack or Indian Mujahideen's antics.

Simply put neither of you can deny the above is not "really rotten meat".

To most rational folks, the kind of slogans used in the event were really rotten by themselves *and* anti-national, as the nation includes Hindus and to deliberately, provocatively use this kind of sloganeering to ask for a break away is very clear about what the protesters want.

And lets not bring in Syed Hasnain or Abdul Kalam or this person or that person whenever any idiot is discussed. First, they'd likely be as offended at these peoples behavior and know the long or even short term consequences of the sloganeering and rabid behavior on public perception. Second, people like Gen Afsar Karim coined terms like "the running dogs of jihad" for Pakistanis who spoke much the same language as above "Hinduon se Azadi".

Lets not constantly bring these folks in as some kind of 1 man counterweight to the idiocy that the rest do. It doesn't work and all you are doing is dragging everyone to the same table and painting them with the same brush. This virtue signaling achieves nothing. Most people can see right through the local fallacies inherent in your argument - bringing up a good guy to excuse the bad behavior engaged in by others, when both are not even correlated, and second, over time, folks will start attacking the "good guys", and attempt to tear down national icons merely because they are frustrated at one group being trotted out as cover fire for the second.

Accept the fact the behavior engaged in by these jokers was unacceptable and there is a widespread radicalization problem and then at least you have a credible position to propose solutions, as versus denying the reality altogether.

pankajs wrote:https://twitter.com/ZeeNewsHindi/status ... 7918325760

Zee News Hindi
@ZeeNewsHindi
#UttarPradesh LIVE: हिंसा फैलाने वालों पर कार्रवाई, #Muzaffarnagar में उपद्रवियों की 47 दुकानें सील

Translated from Hindi by

#UttarPradesh LIVE: Action on perpetrators of violence, #Muzaffarnagar 47 shops of miscreants sealed in #CAA

Nbs wrote:57 cops in UP have gunshot injuries - confirmed by UP DGP - so much for peaceful demonstrations - this was a all out war against the state

Karan M wrote:

Nbs wrote:57 cops in UP have gunshot injuries - confirmed by UP DGP - so much for peaceful demonstrations - this was a all out war against the state

This is off the scale.

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/u ... 2019-12-21

"In protest against Citizenship Amendment Act since December 10 in state [Uttar Pradesh], 705 people were arrested and around 4,500 people were released after preventive arrest. Fifteen casualties have happened and 263 police personnel were injured of which 57 personnel received fire arm injuries," UP IG Praveen Kumar said.

Fifteen casualties have happened and 263 police personnel were injured of which 57 personnel received fire arm injuries,"

hanumadu wrote:Through out the first term, people were complaining that Modi was Vajpayee 2.0. What is he doing for Hindus? Hindus did not vote for him to do nothing, I am not going to vote for him again.

In his second term he has set such a scorching pace, people sitting in their sofas are unable to handle it. They now want him to slow down. Looks like something is brewing in Kashmir. There are rumours on twitter that Neelum Valley Highway (POK) has been cut off or even occupied by Indian Army.

Nikhil T wrote:Nobody is denying radicalization problem in Muslims. It must be dealt with, but surely not by threatening all Muslims citizenship.

Even as massive protests continue to rage against Citizenship Amendment Act and National Register of Citizens, the Union Home Ministry has approached the Cabinet for Rs 3,941 crore to update the National Population Register (NPR), The Indian Express reported. The upcoming NPR exercise will require people to declare ‘date and place of birth of parents’ which was not asked in the earlier NPR, the newspaper said.

This gains significance in context to the implementation of NRC, which the home minister himself has promised to implement. Also, under the Citizenship Act, for those born after 1987, at least one parent must be born in India, and must be a citizen.

Also, under the Citizenship Act, for those born after 1987, at least one parent must be born in India, and must be a citizen.

Rakesh wrote:Why am I not surprised with WB and Kerala
Land of great thinkers!

hanumadu wrote:Through out the first term, people were complaining that Modi was Vajpayee 2.0. What is he doing for Hindus? Hindus did not vote for him to do nothing, I am not going to vote for him again.

In his second term he has set such a scorching pace, people sitting in their sofas are unable to handle it.

Rahul Roushan @rahulroushan
If reciting Faiz's poetry makes Islamists revolutionary, Delhi police should chant "Ishwar Allah Tero Naam" and lathicharge the protestors. That should be seen as Gandhian action.

संदीप कुमार सिंह @PatrioticVirtue

Over 1,000 academicians release statement supporting the Citizenship Amendment Act @SunilAmbekarM @shriniwas_hr @swadesh171 @AmitShah @PMOIndia @TajinderBagga @KanchanGupta @AswiniJNU @Abhina_Prakash @AshishSainram @vinay1011 @amitmalviya

https://indiatoday.in/india/story/over- ... 2019-12-21 via @indiatoday

Shatrughna Kate @Shatrughnakate

47 shops of rioters sealed by Yogi Govt

UP police sent notice of Rs.1.25 lacs to rioters..In event of failing to deposit money their properties will be auctioned.
#YogiRoxx #CAA_NRC_Protests

Yuvraj Singh @SinghkingYuvraj
Replying to @rahulroushan

These people reject Vande Mataram despite it's long association with the Indian Freedom movement but now want us to digest iconoclastic poems because it is connected to some rebelion in Islamic Pakistan which most of India has never heard of. Waah.

ડોન ભાઈ ડ્રેપર (અમદાવાદવાળા) @SlyandSulk

People who have problem with Hanuman sticker on vehicles are lecturing why we shouldn't take offense when a poem that talks about overthrowing non Islamic faith, getting chanted during 'protests'.

Rahul Roushan @rahulroushan

Hum Vande Mataram na bolein, Hanuman sticker na lagaayein, Tilak na lagaayein, Janeu na pahne, Durga Puja procession na nikaalein to respect other's sentiments while they will chant "bas naam rahega Allah ka" just because it was written by Faiz.

Swati Goel Sharma @swati_gs

A faculty at IIT Kanpur has submitted this video and a complaint to director, alleging anti-India & communal statements made at a recent event held in 'solidarity with Jamia' & that event held without permission.

"When All Idols Will Be Removed...
Only Allah’s Name Will Remain"

barkha dutt
@BDUTT
Omg please don't display your utter and total cultural illiteracy. That's Hum Dekhenge by Faiz Ahmed Faiz, sang to protest the military dictators in Pakistan, among others by Iqbal Bano to defy Zia. And if your problem is Faiz is Pakistani, get rid of Saare Jahan se Acha also

Swati Goel Sharma @swati_gs

1. My copy mentions Faiz but you are free to display your ignorance

2. My problem is not that Faiz is a Pakistani. It's that you @BDUTT
have a long history of justifying Jihad by spinning a context.
"Headmaster's son..."
"Islam ke liye ya Kashmir ke liye?"
"Jamia Sheroes"

iMac_too @iMac_too

Absconding Parbhani corporator of @Pawarspeaks party Ali Khan is booked for #CAA violence