Narendra Modi vs the Dynasty: Contrasting Ideas of India

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 04 May 2013 04:40

ranjbe wrote:
Rudradev wrote:Lets take a closer look at the cunt in question:

http://www.uscirf.gov/index.php?option= ... r&catid=33

Real "human rights" busybody this Katrina Lantos Swett. A Jew to boot, maybe a fake one like her friend Martha Nussbaum who cashes in on "holocaust victimhood" to advance a lily white Judeo-Christian Supremacist agenda.

Notably, Lantos Swett's father, Congressman Tom Lantos, opposed ending nuclear sanctions on India alleging we were a "proliferation risk" because we were "too close to Iran" (this was after the AQ Khan fuges had been discovered in Iran, mind you.)
A very important fact is that she (and her father) are Hungarian-Americans. Brezenski, Anatol Levin, Albright etc. are also of Eastern European origin. Such people seem to be knee-jerk anti-Russian, and as a consequence anti-Indian, because in their warped minds, India 'supported' Soviet Russia during the Cold War. Their bias is hilarious, because their supporters of Indian origin in the USA are hard-core leftists, by and large.

taliban wing of the american govt.
It sure riles the american when said.

disha · Post by **disha** » 04 May 2013 05:15

vishvak wrote:Haji Bilal, the mastermind of Godhraa train pilgrim burning conspiracy, is ignored however which is very alarming.

Such 'international' propaganda material should be linked to Haji Bilal which is exactly appropriate for USA propaganda reports and used as toilet paper.

Best would be if Haji Bilal applies for US visa and is granted.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 04 May 2013 07:09

Naming PM nominees won't improve Cong, BJP's poll chances: TDP - http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/na ... 46286.html

Naidu's comment is true for the Congress, but his statement is being made out of fear and loathing for Modi.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 04 May 2013 07:10

Shiv Sena condemns US over Azam Khan detention - http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes ... kumbh-mela

What is the difference between Uddhav Thackeray and Sharad Pawar, notwithstanding the grandstanding on Hindutva.

Agnimitra · Post by **Agnimitra** » 04 May 2013 07:31

Pranav wrote:Shiv Sena condemns US over Azam Khan detention - http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes ... kumbh-mela

What is the difference between Uddhav Thackeray and Sharad Pawar, notwithstanding the grandstanding on Hindutva.

Its important that we don't allow our personal dislike for a fellow-Indian to prevent us from condemning the US action. Because it sets a precedent.

member_22539 · Post by **member_22539** » 04 May 2013 08:24

^+1 Like they say, even if he is a b@stard, he is OUR b@stard.

SwamyG · Post by **SwamyG** » 04 May 2013 08:51

RajeshA wrote: No I don't think one can say that. One can only say that he tried to convert into a referendum on national politics.

If Congress along with some other party(or parties) forms the next government in Karnataka, it would be wrong to present then this election as a referendum on national issues.

Nope, I am right but so are you. The nuance that then highlights the fact that people still believe or can be convinced by INC politics. What it means is that Modi has to work harder.

It does not matter just because say our man does not help BJP win KA, that it is not a national referendum. If it was just KA, then BJP would be facing the wrath of corruption. Now people are reminded about INC scams - these are national level politics entering state politics.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 04 May 2013 09:01

Carl wrote:
Pranav wrote:Shiv Sena condemns US over Azam Khan detention - http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes ... kumbh-mela

What is the difference between Uddhav Thackeray and Sharad Pawar, notwithstanding the grandstanding on Hindutva.
Its important that we don't allow our personal dislike for a fellow-Indian to prevent us from condemning the US action. Because it sets a precedent.

Valid point. People like Azam Khan should be dealt with within India, by established legal procedures. However Uddhav's motivations in making that statement may have been much more expedient.

member_23629 · Post by **member_23629** » 04 May 2013 09:12

Valid point. People like Azam Khan should be dealt with within India, by established legal procedures.

The Congress however has no problem in lobbying with US to deny Modi a visa.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 04 May 2013 09:27

varunkumar wrote:
Valid point. People like Azam Khan should be dealt with within India, by established legal procedures.
The Congress however has no problem in lobbying with US to deny Modi a visa.

Which is indeed condemnable.

Gus · Post by **Gus** » 04 May 2013 09:28

modi can only do so much for state elections in KA and it does not mean anything more than that. It is also tricky to predict a 4 way contest and interpret how much support one would get in a future election in a changed setup. BJP may do badly in state elections and still come up good in MP elections.

He did a brave thing by sticking his neck out though.

merlin · Post by **merlin** » 04 May 2013 09:40

Gus wrote:
He did a brave thing by sticking his neck out though.

There is no leadership without the willingness to take risks.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 04 May 2013 10:07

Arun Menon wrote:^+1 Like they say, even if he is a b@stard, he is OUR b@stard.

True.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 04 May 2013 10:30

Pranav wrote:Naming PM nominees won't improve Cong, BJP's poll chances: TDP - http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/na ... 46286.html

Naidu's comment is true for the Congress, but his statement is being made out of fear and loathing for Modi.

Naidu knows he cannot form a government in AP without MIM support. Owaisi controls muslim vote in AP through MIM. Believe or not lot of AP muslims support Naidu. They may vote for MIM but believe Naidu is the man for the job. As long as Naidu does not support Modi, Congress will be wiped out of Hyderabad.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 04 May 2013 10:33

Humble request being put here - if there're folks here with access to BJP/Sangh circles, pls consider passing on to the same...

NaMo's Hindi speeches in Non-Hindi areas should be translated into the local language and published in leading vernaculars the next day as an advertorial by the local BJP office. Same should also be putup on BJP and Modi websites.

Heck, given the adulation NM commands, won't be hard to find volunteers to do the translation etc free of charge.

I see NaMo facing the language barrier in other places - an Asom, a Odisha, AP, TN, Kerala, Bengal....

Anyway, moi 2 centi only. Jai Bhaarath.

Altair · Post by **Altair** » 04 May 2013 10:38

For Modi to sit on the Delhi throne,congress must be wiped out of AP completely.
Job is half done anyways. For the rest part Naidu needs to play a very careful to ensure congress wipeout.
1. He must not openly support Modi
2. Use his network to pile-up more cases on Jagan.
3. Muslim minority vote bank can be his if he treads carefully.

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 04 May 2013 11:14

Cornered by Opposition in Parliament over Sarabjit's death and Chinese incursion, UPA turns to Mulayam Singh Yadav for help

Must be told again and again that the SP?BSP camp like YSR cong, AAP and JD(S) are all extensions of the COng party only.

Looks like it will take a Modi to forcefully make this point in a way that cannot be escaped from. Waiting for NM to start campaigning in UP proper. Soon...

BTW< after that cancellation of NM's "felicitation" by the MH BJP in Mumbai, is any other Mumbai based event scheduled to replace that? Just wondering only...

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 04 May 2013 11:29

Hari Seldon · Post by **Hari Seldon** » 04 May 2013 11:44

well, well... after chindu sanctimoaniously started to advise NM to defer PM candidature to LKA... here's another bleeding ~~heart~~ fart making the carpet redder with more sancti-moan-ious advice to the bjp.... see, how many sudden well-wishers you have bjp...

National Interest: BJP's troubled House (Shekar dupatta in IE)

oh, read it all, no point excerpting this gem lode.

member_22539 · Post by **member_22539** » 04 May 2013 11:46

^Ignore such trash, don't even let them get view count and thus earn money.

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 04 May 2013 11:46

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 04 May 2013 12:00

Hari Seldon wrote:well, well... after chindu sanctimoaniously started to advise NM to defer PM candidature to LKA... here's another bleeding ~~heart~~ fart making the carpet redder with more sancti-moan-ious advice to the bjp.... see, how many sudden well-wishers you have bjp...

National Interest: BJP's troubled House (Shekar dupatta in IE)

oh, read it all, no point excerpting this gem lode.

I think Gupta is investing in future.If you read the article he is targeting central leadership of BJP only while praising (or at least not criticizing) state leadership. There may hundreds of problems with BJP's central leadership but neither i wouldn't touch a dynasty dog even with a barge pole nor i would care for his opinion about BJP.

Yagnasri · Post by **Yagnasri** » 04 May 2013 13:53

Suddenly is Advani became "Secular" to every one and their dog. I am going to IMC Mumbai next week for a programme and will try to get some soft copies of photos etc of Modi from his talk there. They do take lot of photos there in any programme. I hope they will give a copy to me as they know me there. It is anyway it is on the youtube also.

Now the "Pundits' who predicted INC sweep of Karnataka saying that it will be hung assembly in a three way contest. I think BJP has not gone full gund blazing in Karnataka with Modi and other leaders like Manohar Parikar in the Costal/Mangalore areas and other leader like Venkayya, Nirmala Sitharaman ( In telugu speaking areas) spending longer time on the elections compaign. Who knows there may even be a chance of BJP return to power.

Deve Gowda may like to form a governament with BJP support. INC may end up without power in the end if it does not has the majority or very near majority seats. Governar may play a "suitable role" and try of INC also. Interesting times.

JohnTitor · Post by **JohnTitor** » 04 May 2013 13:55

Arun Menon wrote:^+1 Like they say, even if he is a b@stard, he is OUR b@stard.

Arun ji, that may not be appropriate. "Our" in that sentence is used to mean "controllable" - not the "our" used for a fellow indian. And since neither he nor SP is an ally of BJP, I don't think that is correct.

Neela · Post by **Neela** » 04 May 2013 14:15

Interesting stuff about AAP from twitter.
- AAP has Prashant Bhushan - the guy who promotes KAshmir separatism
- Bharat mata picture removed . Secular bug bit him?
- Party made big claims on Internal Lokpal with no follow up action. Corrupt at home but preaching to the rest?

member_22539 · Post by **member_22539** » 04 May 2013 14:29

Shonu wrote:Arun ji, that may not be appropriate. "Our" in that sentence is used to mean "controllable" - not the "our" used for a fellow indian. And since neither he nor SP is an ally of BJP, I don't think that is correct.

I get that. I did not mean to imply that he is controllable, an ally or in any way useful for us (like the Americans meant it when they said that). Regardless, he has our passport, and when we start letting them mess people with our passport just because we don't like them and they are worthless scum, that will open doors and soon we can expect this treatment being extended to people who we care about. Because we must remember, the Americans do such things based on their judgment of what is right and wrong, and in their judgment it is correct to arm terrorist pigs like the porkistani army. So, I do not have a whole lot of faith in Americans making right call and would draw the line at this and no further.

member_20317 · Post by **member_20317** » 04 May 2013 15:08

Sushupti wrote:

This is the effect of the U-Turn moment that has been talked about by Rajeev Malhotra in a different context, but which is in principle also applicable here.

This is the benefit of having a polarizing personality to lead the show, instead of an amorphous guy at the helm.

As time passes by there will be more. What we need to ensure is that people should come in feeling like they have taken a bet instead of a majboori. No sane man can take the kind of pounding the body of India has taken for so long. With such pounding you either gain resolve or die trying. Both cases it helps the country.

Give people enough information and they will decide based on good old samskaars. And in the clutter at times it does become at times necessary to speak aloud but at no point should it be turned into a thoughtless Ummah because after that point you will get followers and not independent minded people ready to take up a responsibilty.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 04 May 2013 18:34

Narayana Rao wrote:Suddenly is Advani became "Secular" to every one and their dog. .

I never thought I would see the day, aint it great.

I am loving it.

Pranav · Post by **Pranav** » 04 May 2013 18:37

Narayana Rao wrote:Suddenly is Advani became "Secular" to every one and their dog.

Fear and loathing for Modi can make people behave in strange ways.

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 04 May 2013 18:42

ravi_g wrote:
Sushupti wrote:

This is the effect of the U-Turn moment that has been talked about by Rajeev Malhotra in a different context, but which is in principle also applicable here.

This is the benefit of having a polarizing personality to lead the show, instead of an amorphous guy at the helm.

As time passes by there will be more. What we need to ensure is that people should come in feeling like they have taken a bet instead of a majboori. No sane man can take the kind of pounding the body of India has taken for so long. With such pounding you either gain resolve or die trying. Both cases it helps the country.

Give people enough information and they will decide based on good old samskaars. And in the clutter at times it does become at times necessary to speak aloud but at no point should it be turned into a thoughtless Ummah because after that point you will get followers and not independent minded people ready to take up a responsibilty.

+108.

Chanakya did this w.r.t Chandragupta's grand father

fanne · Post by **fanne** » 04 May 2013 18:49

Sanku ji this is for you. Survey done in Jan 2013.28 Urban areas in India. BJP gets 36% while con gets 18%. However if BJP declares Namo as PM candidate, BJP vote% swells to 49%, congress drops by 1% to 17%. That means all the Turd front parties, caste based or regional party voters, they gravitate big time towards him. Watch the news. Now surveys are not real voting and 28 cities is not Urban India or Urban India is not whole of India, but despite all those disclaimers, per this survey, BJP increase its vote % by 50% over what it will get now if Modi is declared PM Candidate. Now that is called a wave.
rgds,
fanne
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGjO_5OYHhg

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 04 May 2013 19:32

I think several NDA members, Congress, Libtards, Left, and their terroirst Islamic Paki friends, American allies of traitor Indians all have one worry. Modi will win a lot of seats for BJP. BJP's tally will raise. Every one wants to control BJP and keep sucking Indian blood bit by bit, some for genuine selfish reasons and some are just pure enemies of India. The weaker BJP seats will be God send opportunity for them because they can remain in charge

Listen at 22:22 what Kumar Ketkar, Chief Editor, Daily Divya Marathi has to say. He does not mince words. If any marathi person who reads this guy should know one thing. He is a SONIA lapdog and rabid hater of Modi. He does not even hide it. You call him any thing. He does not care. He is the president of paidmedia and is proud of it.

He says clearly "Every one including Mayawati, Shivsena, Nitish, Congress are all worried that once Modi is announced, BJP will get a lot of seats and they don't want that".

In effect what he is saying is these traitors of India want status quo and would like to keep destroying India bit by bit.Once BJP gets more seats and Modi becomes powerful, he can run his agenda of Governance which is not to the liking of Libtards, Left, Pakis, American allies of traitorous Indians.

The people can say any thing but BJP will not cross 100 if they don't announce Modi and choose Advani or Sushma or Jailey. not even 100. I can guarantee that. Believe me! Every one in the paid media, Congress, JD(U), Shivsena, Mayawati, Mulyam, Laloo all know it. That is their game plan. Leverage internal old crap of BJP to destroy BJP chances and India once and for all.

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 04 May 2013 19:35

fanne wrote:Sanku ji this is for you.

Now that is called a wave.

Indeed Sir, thank you, I had missed it. I love it.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 04 May 2013 20:21

Many allies are worried about Modi simply because should BJP get too many seats, they may not need the allies to the same extent. Let's say BJP gets around 190 seats riding on a Modi wave. Altogether NDA gets around 320-330. That makes at least two or three NDA constituents superfluous.

That way they lose all the bargaining power they may have viz-a-viz BJP, and if it is Modi who becomes the PM, his no-nonsense style may squeeze the allies even more.

Then there is the question of pre-poll seat adjustments in various states, like Maharashtra. The more noise the regional ally makes the more seats they would get. Shiv Sena must of course be worried.

JD(U) is probably going to have a full scale uprising on its hands come June!

So one would of course be expecting various allies to show apprehensiveness about Narendra Modi!

RamaY · Post by **RamaY** » 04 May 2013 20:27

^ +1.

That is the main reason for lot of confusion in anti-congress camp.

That is why it is more and more important that BJP goes on its own under NM for elections and look for alliances after polls. If BJP gets good numbers it will have freedom to maneuver and if it doesn't it can put an NDA candidate as PM (preferably JJ or MB).

Sushupti · Post by **Sushupti** » 04 May 2013 20:43

Don't miss it.

VikramS · Post by **VikramS** » 04 May 2013 21:11

Outlook (blog) also going after MMS http://blogs.outlookindia.com/default.a ... 2967&eid=5

Maybe I am dreaming but it would be wonderful if those now being dumped go after dynasty.

Do something good MMS!

vivek.rao · Post by **vivek.rao** » 04 May 2013 21:17

India should not be worried about just corruption or no Governance. India should be worried about the destruction of institution by institution by MAINO clan and their apologists.

CBI, CEC, President, PM, SC, IB, JAC, PAC and now Solicitor General.

http://articles.economictimes.indiatime ... w-officers
Coalgate: Legal scrap shows how UPA has devalued law officers

This is the consequence of the devaluation of the post of ASG over the years. The post-Emergency Congress and Congress-led governments are responsible for this. They are not comfortable with independent lawyers and legal advice.

In the past, the posts of Attorney General (AG) and Solicitor General (SG) have been held by eminent lawyers. Earlier, even the post of ASG was occupied by leaders of the Bar, such as HN Sanyal and SV Gupte.

There is nothing surprising here... It is just that when the whole system condones the abuse of institutions to blackmail and destroy the democracy, we should have stood up. But we did not. Now we see the effects of it.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 04 May 2013 21:22

Retweet if possible!

Sanku · Post by **Sanku** » 04 May 2013 22:37

Sushupti wrote:Don't miss it.

Amazing, unmissable indeed.