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The answer you seek isBaljeet wrote:We can find better economists in this nation dime a dozen but we can't find one fighter, strategist, tactician, geo-politik master in this nation.
Advani
Derkoning ... please ... the fighter, strategist, tactician & geo-politik master in Advani seems to have disappeared (if there ever was one) . now the only thing left is a man who is still unable to come to grips with the reality that he lost ...derkonig wrote:The answer you seek isBaljeet wrote:We can find better economists in this nation dime a dozen but we can't find one fighter, strategist, tactician, geo-politik master in this nation.Advani
That is precisely what the dhimmedia will want the people to believe so that they can do some == with arch-dhimmi MMS. Advani was right in calling MMS the weakest PM. Its a shame Advani was always dealt a tough set of cards.g.kacha wrote:Derkoning ... please ... the fighter, strategist, tactician & geo-politik master in Advani seems to have disappeared (if there ever was one) . now the only thing left is a man who is still unable to come to grips with the reality that he lost ...
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Chidambaram said the material that the Indian government has given was enough to secure conviction of the accused in Pakistan's courts.
"It is a very sad commentary on the legal skills of the prosecutors in Pakistan. The material given is enough for any court of law to convict the accused," he said adding of course that some supplementary investigation has to be done in Pakistan.
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Chidambaram said no non-state actor can launch terror attack of this scale and magnitude on India without the support of the establishment. "It is for Pakistan to act against these elements," he said.
The Home Minister said the Laskar-e-Taiba is a "big threat to India and it is something that I would like the Pakistan government and the establishment to prove the contrary if it is not true".
He said he was entitle to assume that these elements enjoyed the tactic support of the state agencies. "The contrary must be proved," he said.
Chidambaram said that it was regrettable that Pakistan was still talking about investigation and the trial has not even started whereas in India the trial was progressing fast.
The gravest risk of the trivialisation of 26/11 (is) the trivialisation of the enveloping threats that confront India. In India, however, we continue to quibble over the incremental augmentation of forces and capacities to no more than 'counter' the 'next 26/11'. The war against terrorism is a long war. But we remain abysmally unprepared.
Pakistan on Saturday filed chargesheet against the five accused in the Mumbai attacks investigation.
The chargesheet was filed in the anti-terrorism court in Adiala and the hearing was adjourned till July 25.
The chargesheet was filed against the five accused - Zakiur Rehman Lakhvi, Ammad Amin and Zarar Shah are among the accused.
The Pakistan foreign office has said that India should not doubt their commitment to the 26/11 case and that there will be no delay from Pakistan's side.
So, is this what Hillary was saying that there would be some movement by Pakistan in the next few days ? This is hardly a movement. The ATC judge had retired and Pakistan deliberately delayed appointing a replacement and was probably waiting to see how it went at the NAM meet. Joyous at the resumption of dialogue, Pakistan has taken the well calibrated next minimalist step.Dilbu wrote:26/11: Pak files chargesheet against 5 accusedPakistan on Saturday filed chargesheet against the five accused in the Mumbai attacks investigation.
In the backdrop to the resolve shown by India this week not to brook further nonsense from Pakistan, Saturday Special presents excerpts from a new book on 26/11 which names names
Dilbu wrote:26/11: Pak files chargesheet against 5 accused
MMS can now claim this dog and pony show as great victory and cover up the solied shalwar of sham-el-shaikh.
A small suggestion, if someone wants to make this a Congress o BJP issue and do Advani/MMS bashing, can they please take it to the Sharm-el-Sheikh thread?abhiti wrote:Good news for the supporters of Congress - MMS has again begun his contradictory statements on Pakistan. It always happens to MMS just before a visit of someone from US govt. I am now worried about MMS dealing with not just Pak but also US! MMS is indeed a weakest PM.
In a startling move, Mumbai attacks' accused on Monday pleaded guilty of his charges in the court during the trial, TV reports say.
Kasab for the first time narrated to the court the entire plot behind the Mumbai terror attacks, Times Now says
Wasnt it Shivraj Patil and not AK Antony who displayed lahori logic vis-a-vis Afzal ? IMHO AKA seems to be the sensible one. Or did they both display Lahori logic ?Tanaji wrote:It is a foregone conclusion that he will be sentenced to death now.
the real question is using the Lahori logic expressed by A.K. Anthony wrt Afzal, how long does it take to hang Kasab. My prediction is he will never hang, and will be exchanged when a future terrorist atrocity results in a demand for his release.
Has the Republic of India ever hung a foreign national in the past? Would be interesting to know. I would assume that there are quite a few legal procedures that are undertaken before a person is hanged and I would bet that these implicitly assume that the person being hung is Indian. Would be interesting to see how much the human rights types can delay the hanging by raising all sorts of objections to the procedure.SSridhar wrote:Sumeet, GoI will say that Kasab, being a foreign national, the procedure will be simpler.
No I remember it was AK Anthony in some television interview. He kept saying that there are certain "things" to be followed before they can hang Afzal but refused to say what they were.Anujan wrote:Wasnt it Shivraj Patil and not AK Antony who displayed lahori logic vis-a-vis Afzal ? IMHO AKA seems to be the sensible one. Or did they both display Lahori logic ?Tanaji wrote:It is a foregone conclusion that he will be sentenced to death now.
the real question is using the Lahori logic expressed by A.K. Anthony wrt Afzal, how long does it take to hang Kasab. My prediction is he will never hang, and will be exchanged when a future terrorist atrocity results in a demand for his release.
SSridhar wrote:Kasab pleads guilty in courtIn a startling move, Mumbai attacks' accused on Monday pleaded guilty of his charges in the court during the trial, TV reports say.
Kasab for the first time narrated to the court the entire plot behind the Mumbai terror attacks, Times Now says
Kasab also got tired with our super fast process involving reams and reams of paper, poor guy asked for rehamIt was by Veerappa MoilyTanaji wrote:No I remember it was AK Anthony in some television interview. He kept saying that there are certain "things" to be followed before they can hang Afzal but refused to say what they were.
I am getting a feeling that every single politician (read Home Min, Prime Min and even President) have some hesitation in giving the final "Go" for hanging a criminal/terrorist. I don't know if it is some sort of guilty feeling/pangs which makes them skip taking the final decision. Reminds me of the practise of the erst-while Travancore kings. During the days of Travancore kingdoms, the executions (by hanging) was done at a place Kazhuvinthitta (IIRC it is near the present day Tamil Nadu border). The date and time of the hanging would be fixed. One hour before the execution, the king would give a formal reprieve for the condemned. A special messenger would start off (on horse back) to the execution grounds. But he would not be able to reach within one hour, and by the time the reprieve order reaches, the execution would have been completed. It seems this was a way the Travancore kings absolved themselves of the guilty feeling (I tried to save him at the last moment, but the messenger could not reach in time - that was the logic)Anujan wrote:Wasnt it Shivraj Patil and not AK Antony who displayed lahori logic vis-a-vis Afzal ? IMHO AKA seems to be the sensible one. Or did they both display Lahori logic ?
.suryag wrote: quote="SSridhar" Kasab pleads guilty in courtIn a startling move, Mumbai attacks' accused on Monday pleaded guilty of his charges in the court during the trial, TV reports say.
Kasab for the first time narrated to the court the entire plot behind the Mumbai terror attacks, Times Now says
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I wanted to confess much earlier but could not do so as Pakistan had disowned me. Now Pakistan is saying that I am a Pakistani.
They are also going to prosecute the offenders. Don’t ask me how I know all this. I just do. You should accept my confession and punish me.
The minister termed it inappropriate to take action against those named by Kasab and based in Pakistan saying that one cannot crack down on groups on the basis of confessions by a person behind bars.
No, no sir. That's extending lot of nobility and good at heart kind of hijab on many undeserving personalities. For most part, the occupiers of these high posts have feet made of clay. They are as wily politicians as any can be, although better at putting a facade of innocence and ignorance.Sachin wrote: I am getting a feeling that every single politician (read Home Min, Prime Min and even President) have some hesitation in giving the final "Go" for hanging a criminal/terrorist. I don't know if it is some sort of guilty feeling/pangs which makes them skip taking the final decision. Reminds me of the practise of the erst-while Travancore kings. During the days of Travancore kingdoms, the executions (by hanging) was done at a place Kazhuvinthitta (IIRC it is near the present day Tamil Nadu border). The date and time of the hanging would be fixed. One hour before the execution, the king would give a formal reprieve for the condemned. A special messenger would start off (on horse back) to the execution grounds. But he would not be able to reach within one hour, and by the time the reprieve order reaches, the execution would have been completed. It seems this was a way the Travancore kings absolved themselves of the guilty feeling (I tried to save him at the last moment, but the messenger could not reach in time - that was the logic)
'Since Pak has accepted my nationality, I confessed, says Kasab'g.kacha wrote:‘Mujhe gunah kabool hai’
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I wanted to confess much earlier but could not do so as Pakistan had disowned me. Now Pakistan is saying that I am a Pakistani.
They are also going to prosecute the offenders. Don’t ask me how I know all this. I just do. You should accept my confession and punish me.
Special public prosecutor Ujjwal Nikam and defence lawyer Abbas Kazmi appearing for Kasab on Tuesday said the special court conducting the 26/11 trial has three options following the Pakistani pleading guilty and confessing to his crime on Monday.
"The first option is for the court to accept Kasab's plea and convict him. The second option is for the court to not accept the confession and the third is for the court to accept the confession, but direct for the trial to go on," Mr. Nikam told reporters here on Tuesday.
"If the court goes with the third option, then the prosecution will have to provide evidence to back Kasab's confession," Mr. Kazmi said.
He also said the prosecution should investigate the role of an Indian named Abu Jindal in the terror conspiracy as revealed by Kasab in his confession.
Mr. Nikam, however, said Kasab is a great actor and is naming new persons each time. "He is well trained and well prepared.
The police will minutely evaluate every detail of his statement," he said.
Mumbai, July 21: A day after Ajmal Kasab’s admission of guilt, authorities who have doggedly stitched together a case against the 26/11 gunman said the statement may have been the result of a gradual build-up aided by those in power.
Top sources in Mumbai police claimed Kasab’s confession could be the fallout of a secret meeting between him and a Maharashtra minister in Arthur Road Jail.
“The meeting was organised after instructions from higher authorities. Kasab was not told that the person was a minister. The minister met Kasab before the trial started even as the government was running from pillar to post to get him a lawyer. He was told that fighting the case would take him nowhere given the amount of evidence against him,” said a top Mumbai police officer who did not wish to be named.
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Kasab’s lawyer Abbas Kazmi hinted at a conspiracy. “My client is being pressurised and harassed in jail. Even the judge has accepted that he has been given the information about Pakistan owning him up by his guards in the jail,” said Kazmi.
Nikam insisted it was legally okay if Kasab had indeed been informed of Pakistan’s decision. “There is nothing wrong in it (supplying information). If he decides to give such a statement and admit guilt on that basis, it is his choice,” he said.
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Finished watching it. Quite chilling.. check out the video footage of Taj and the Oberoi, and the discussions between the terrorists and their handlers in Pukiland. Chaste midland Punjabi, interspersed with Urdu.