Terrorist Islamic Republic of Pakistan (TSP): Aug 09, 2010

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 14 Aug 2010 09:47

Rony wrote:Two questions

1. How wise is it for India to give aid to pakistan when there is a 1000% of chance of the aid being diverted to terrorist activities and corrupt general pockets ?

2. What will happen to Paki H & D ? My guess is the pakis being pakis will accept the aid without any shame and will behave as if they are doing a favour to India by accepting the aid !

India offers $5 million to Pakistan for flood victims

Why do we continue to debase ourselves??

Leading OIC countries have conspicuously kept out of the picture.

http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/aug/ ... -offer.htm

Pak yet to decide on India's flood aid offer
August 13, 2010

Pakistan is yet to decide on India's offer of $5 million as aid for providing relief to victims of the country's worst floods, with diplomatic sources saying that the proposal is being considered by the foreign office.

The offer of aid was conveyed by External Affairs Minister S M Krishna [ Images ] to his Pakistani counterpart Shah Mahmood Qureshi during a telephonic conversation on Friday.

Krishna described the aid as a "gesture of solidarity with the people of Pakistan in their hour of need", an official statement issued by the Indian High Commission said.

However, a statement issued by Pakistan's Foreign Office late this evening made no mention of the aid offered by Krishna.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 14 Aug 2010 10:18

In its brief history of six decades, Pakistan, as an entire nation commits harakiri every now and then and afterwards conveniently finds a single coat-hanger to hang the entire blame on. Ayub Khan, Yahya Khan, ZAB, Zia & Musharraf have been such coat hangers at different times. Zardari is currently fitting that bill. The only difference I see is that in the earlier instances, the blame was pinned ex post facto and in Zardari's case it is taking place contemporarily.

Both the Army and the political opposition are wary of disturbing the present setup for different reasons. The PA is not allowed by the US to do so. The PA, however, tried desperately to dislodge Zardari (not the PPP government) by starting a villification and rumour campaign against Zardari but full credit to Zardari for weathering it. The PML-N, the only significant opposition party, is unwilling to shoulder the huge cross and thus lose its political equity when it comes to the polls in three years' time. This is a very difficult time both politically and economically and therefore PML-N wants PPP to get all the bad name as it too can do pretty little to turn the situation around.

Zardari wanted to turn the situation around by normalizing the situation with India but was checkmated by the PA. The only hope for the Pakistani economy to recover some ground is through such normalization but the reckless PA has thwarted that by taking exception to his 'India is not our enemy' statement first and then ensuring a successful 26/11 followed by intransigence and stone-walling.

R_Kumar · Post by **R_Kumar** » 14 Aug 2010 11:38

abhishek_sharma wrote:Richard Holbrooke Interview

http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/11166

Looks like U.S is looking to take advantage of the flood situation to impress Pakistani public. They simply won't give up.

Amber G. · Post by **Amber G.** » 14 Aug 2010 12:00

Hot topic for discussion in one Paki flora is not floods but, kid you not, is reaction to a Fox news report about a blog that some one is thinking (seriously they say) "A Gay Bar Next To Ground Zero Mosque To Cater To “Islamic Gay Men”.
The part of the blog being quoted with vitriol there is

So, the Muslim investors championing the construction of the new mosque near Ground Zero claim it’s all about strengthening the relationship between the Muslim and non-Muslim world.

As an American, I believe they have every right to build the mosque – after all, if they buy the land and they follow the law – who can stop them?

Which is, why, in the spirit of outreach, I’ve decided to do the same thing.
I’m announcing tonight, that I am planning to build and open the first gay bar that caters not only to the west, but also Islamic gay men. To best express my sincere desire for dialogue, the bar will be situated next to the mosque Park51, in an available commercial space.

This is not a joke. I’ve already spoken to a number of investors, who have pledged their support in this bipartisan bid for understanding and tolerance.

As you know, the Muslim faith doesn’t look kindly upon homosexuality, which is why I’m building this bar. It is an effort to break down barriers and reduce deadly homophobia in the Islamic world.
<snip>

One Paki thread is already 5 pages long with typical comments like:

Absolute case of ignorance he should realize that Islam prohibits homosexuality and any homosexual claiming himself to be a muslim is not likely to be a mosque goer...Wait til someone attacks it with motolov or amateur car bomb faisal shazad style

sum · Post by **sum** » 14 Aug 2010 12:06

Wonder how much of the US free maal ( ammunition etc etc) has been washed away in the flooding?

Also, interesting that no news about damages/losses to TSPA/TSPAF has been revealed to the media...Since most of the AFBs are flooded, wonder where they are keeping the planes and Nooks ( if they have any) since might not be possible to cram all of them into the few untouched AFBs?

svinayak · Post by **svinayak** » 14 Aug 2010 12:06

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 010_pg13_3

Pakistan should refuse to pay foreign aid: Labour Relief Campaign

* Pakistan is justified in refusing to pay debt due to the catastrophic flooding in the country

Staff Report

LAHORE: Three prominent progressive organisations have urged the Pakistan Peoples Party-led government to refuse paying all foreign debt worth $54 billion as well as annual instalments of $3 billion, and divert the entire amount to relief and rehabilitation projects for the 20 million flood victims in the country.

Under the umbrella of the Labour Relief Campaign, representatives of the organisations Campaign for the Abolition of Third-World Debt, the Labour Party of Pakistan and the National Labour Federation, Abdul Khaliq Shah, Farooq Tariq and Niaz Ahmad respectively, addressed a press conference at the Lahore Press Club on Friday, pressuring international financial institutions and donor countries to repudiate Pakistan’s debt.

Abdul Khaliq Shah, a spokesman for the Campaign told journalists that Pakistan was currently paying about $3 billion in debt servicing every year, while the country’s current foreign debt worth $54 billion was also increasing day by day. As a result, he said, the debt-servicing ratio would also increase.

He said that Pakistan was facing the worst disaster in its 63-year history, with more than 20 million people having been badly affected and major infrastructure having been destroyed in many parts of the country by recent rains and continued floods.

Justified: He said that in such a situation, certain provisions of international law could be invoked as legal justifications for the refusal to pay external debt. One such justification, he said, is the ‘State of Necessity’, in which the economic or political survival of a country is jeopardised, and it becomes impossible to pay the debt and provide for the very basic needs of the population such as health, food, water and housing.

He said that since the state of Pakistan is now unable to fulfil the fundamental human needs of more than 20 million people, the government needs to show its political will and should refuse to pay its foreign debt.

Farooq Tariq of the Labour Party also announced a campaign to put pressure on the government to refuse to pay foreign debt. He said the campaign would hold rallies, long marches, seminars and door-to-door awareness drives in favour of its demands.

R_Kumar · Post by **R_Kumar** » 14 Aug 2010 12:31

^^ Its like filing bankruptcy. But once you are bankrupt you can't get any new loan.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 14 Aug 2010 13:10

Acharya wrote:http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 010_pg13_3

Pakistan should refuse to pay foreign aid: Labour Relief Campaign
. . . to refuse paying all foreign debt worth $54 billion as well as annual instalments of $3 billion, and divert the entire amount to relief and rehabilitation projects for the 20 million flood victims in the country.
. . . One such justification, he said, is the ‘State of Necessity’, in which the economic or political survival of a country is jeopardised, and it becomes impossible to pay the debt and provide for the very basic needs of the population such as health, food, water and housing.

Reveals Pakistani mind crystal clear. They are waiting for an opportunity first to beg and then refuse to pay the loans. Already, the US has waived so much of loans in c. 2002 and also rescheduled the rest over long periods. But, an ever vigilant Pakistani mind, is waiting for the first opportunity to demand more and more. They want their profligacy to be subsidized by the rest of the world. Shouldn't they first stop pampering their disproportionately-sized Army and divert the funds for social causes before refusing to repay the loans ?

Besides, Pakistanis have this propensity to invoke the 'Doctrine of Necessity' whether in ususrping power through coup or in refusing to pay what they have to legally and morally pay.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 14 Aug 2010 13:31

Jinnah’s Pakistan

There are some liberals who think that the solution is to put in place “Jinnah’s Pakistan”. To me, it would be quite interesting to find out who invented this term. When we use it, it gives the impression that he solely created this country. We seem to be in denial of the fact that other forces helped him to fulfill his dream. Moreover, the term also indicates that Pakistan is Jinnah’s property.

When Jinnah delivered his August 11, 1947 speech, declaring all religious communities equal in the soon-to-be-born Pakistan, it not only shocked but surprised the leadership of the Muslim League and the bureaucracy. That’s why the speech was censored. The very act of censoring the speech of the founder of Pakistan and its first governor-general shows that he failed to convince his followers that after Partition the situation had changed and the country needed the theory of one nation rather than two.

Hero worship is not the solution to our problems. New challenges require new ideas. Muhammad Ali Jinnah alone cannot help us get rid of our present problems.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 14 Aug 2010 13:32

Who says that KSA simply stands-by when ummah Pakistan suffers ?

The Embassy of Saudi Arabia in Pakistan on Friday clarified a news item published in Daily Times on August 13, 2010.

The embassy has said that the Saudi government is actively contributing to the relief efforts in the flood-affected areas. “The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia stands by the side of the people of Pakistan,” the statement said.

King Abdullah Bin Abdul Aziz Al Saud issued a royal decree to establish an air-bridge for transportation of relief goods. So far, twelve airplanes with relief goods have reached Pakistan. The Saudi Development Fund has contributed $55 million and the embassy staff donated their one-day salary for the flood victims.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 14 Aug 2010 13:33

Dilbu wrote:Jinnah’s Pakistan
Muhammad Ali Jinnah alone cannot help us get rid of our present problems.

In fact, Muhammad Ali Jinnah himself will have to be gotten rid of before Pakistan can get rid of present problems.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 14 Aug 2010 13:37

India's aid offer being 'considered'

“We have not rejected the offer outright and a decision would be made soon,” a senior official told Dawn.

Dilbu · Post by **Dilbu** » 14 Aug 2010 13:49

SSridhar wrote:India's aid offer being 'considered'
“We have not rejected the offer outright and a decision would be made soon,” a senior official told Dawn.

As if they are doing us a favour by accepting the aid. Phucking retarded beggars. I hope they reject it.

shravan · Post by **shravan** » 14 Aug 2010 14:23

Gunmen attack bus, kill 10 near Quetta

QUETTA: Gunmen attacked a passenger bus and shot dead at least 10 people in insurgency-hit southwest Pakistan, officials said on Saturday.

The incident took place in Aab-e-Gum area, 75 kilometres southeast of Quetta, the capital of oil and gas rich Balochistan province, on Friday night.

“A group of 30-35 gunmen stopped the bus in Aab-e-Gum area, off-loaded passengers at gunpoint and shot dead 10 of them,” top provincial home department official Akbar Hussain Durrani told AFP.

He said the bus was travelling to Quetta from the eastern city of Lahore and all those killed in the attack were Punjabi-speaking people.

milindc · Post by **milindc** » 14 Aug 2010 14:28

Per some reports, the Indus has spread 18 miles wide...
Seem like the dams/barrages constructed on Indus are actually causing massive flooding upstream..

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 14 Aug 2010 14:30

Damn! No celebration Paki Independence day today, Iedolgy or otherwise. Looks like the rains have cooled everthing down

asprinzl · Post by **asprinzl** » 14 Aug 2010 14:35

If Jinnah had been alive a little longer I wont be surprised if he ended up hanging from a lamp post after a rightwing coup or a PA led military coup. He would have been tarnished by his own people. Such has happened in so many banana republics and for it to happen in a mango republic is not impossible. He saved his skin and reputation by going off to meet his 72 raisins too soon.

Manishw · Post by **Manishw** » 14 Aug 2010 14:37

^^^ probably saving our skin too keeping in view the attitude of the ruling elites of India at that time who wanted re-integration.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 14 Aug 2010 15:02

US will have to arrange for much wheat to feed this starving and rabid mob of a country this winters.
the kharif crop is washed away and desilting fields and rebuilding canal works will take many months even using entire resources of pak army.

a fresh round of mewling for huge soft loans and recheduling of repayments/writeoffs will begin soon as they climb out of the water and find the bullhorn.

Sri · Post by **Sri** » 14 Aug 2010 15:09

SSridhar wrote:India's aid offer being 'considered'
“We have not rejected the offer outright and a decision would be made soon,” a senior official told Dawn.

I feel sorry for the Abdul on ground... False bravado leads to nothing... they are too proud to take our help and too desperate to consider defaulting on loans....

Hope they now understand that China and Arabs are not that much reliable either.

I really hope they take the $5m, saves us the guilt trip.... and may be just may be will help a few needy people...

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 14 Aug 2010 15:13

Sri wrote:"SSridhar"]India's aid offer being 'considered'
“We have not rejected the offer outright and a decision would be made soon,” a senior official told Dawn.

I feel sorry for the Abdul on ground... False bravado leads to nothing... they are too proud to take our help and too desperate to consider defaulting on loans....

Hope they now understand that China and Arabs are not that much reliable either.

I really hope they take the $5m, saves us the guilt trip.... and may be just may be will help a few needy people...

Why guilt trip in the first place, when the Paki Army does not have it in the first place?

Second I hope they reject the aid, we can keep it as a case law forever, we offered they rejected it. Due to this public humiliation we will never offer again

Manishw · Post by **Manishw** » 14 Aug 2010 15:16

@ sri There is no five million dollars offered.There is just five million dollars of goods bought from India at low interest rates being offered.Apart from H& D , the goods carry indian logo which both cause Takleef to pokis.Last time it was refused because of these reasons.This time IMO might be different since India might go to town shouting that they are refusing and showing to the whole world Pakis in poor light, Pakis stock in the world is at an all time low.

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 14 Aug 2010 15:17

The recurring theme I see in comments section of British & Kanadian papers is why should we financially support a country that has nookes? And other one is these are terror lands and those scuba diving are terrorists. Now I am loving both arguments

Brad Goodman · Post by **Brad Goodman** » 14 Aug 2010 15:20

Guys with diarrhea rampant in flood hit area pakistan is fast turning into paakhanastan this is applicable for the 1/5th area under sailaab where as other 4/5th area its business as usual so its still po*rnistan

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 14 Aug 2010 15:23

India could have organized aid to the flood victims somewhat differently - maybe through Afghanistan.

If all those relief supplies, labelled with "Made in India" and Indian Flag could have been smuggled into Pakistan from Afghanistan and be distributed by TTP, the supplies may have ended with Pushtuns, which later on could look on India favorably and be open for the creation of Pushtunistan.

No use giving the relief supplies to thankless, unrepentant and hateful Pakjabis.

One thing on which India should not relent is to erase the "Made in India" Labels and Indian Flag on the relief supplies. They should take it as it is. Baarh men jaaye Pakjabiyon ki H&D (jo ki vaise bhi jaa rahi hai)!

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 14 Aug 2010 15:24

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/4 ... ow_624.gif

map of flood affected region. the Indus at rahim yar khan has spread to 30km wide.

NikhilB · Post by **NikhilB** » 14 Aug 2010 15:31

First wiki-leaks, then david cameron, and now mango goras bashing pakis for their "double play". At last, the world is slowly getting pissed off with pakis.

How to expedite this process ?

How about anything similar to following coming out from Qureshi or Rahman Mail ?
"If we don't receive any sufficient aid now, then extremists might exploit the opportunity (said zillion times so far), and then there is possibility of another bum attack in West"

And then watch the fun later.

Manishw · Post by **Manishw** » 14 Aug 2010 15:32

RajeshA wrote:
One thing on which India should not relent is to erase the "Made in India" Labels and Indian Flag on the relief supplies. They should take it as it is. Baarh men jaaye Pakjabiyon ki H&D (jo ki vaise bhi jaa rahi hai)!

Sri · Post by **Sri** » 14 Aug 2010 15:36

RajeshA wrote:India could have organized aid to the flood victims somewhat differently - maybe through Afghanistan.

If all those relief supplies, labelled with "Made in India" and Indian Flag could have been smuggled into Pakistan from Afghanistan and be distributed by TTP, the supplies may have ended with Pushtuns, which later on could look on India favorably and be open for the creation of Pushtunistan.

No use giving the relief supplies to thankless, unrepentant and hateful Pakjabis.

One thing on which India should not relent is to erase the "Made in India" Labels and Indian Flag on the relief supplies. They should take it as it is. Baarh men jaaye Pakjabiyon ki H&D (jo ki vaise bhi jaa rahi hai)!

I second this. If we have 13 embassies in Afganistaan, and if they are doing what i hope they are doing and Pakistan alleges what they are doing ... then these assets should mobilize and distribute the following:

1) Ready to cook Indian Vege meals, from Indian brands like ITC Ashirwad and MTR with a Mother India Logo on it. These meals are tasty nourishing and and easy to serve (Just dip in boiling water for 5 mins). DRDO developed this and all Brands pay royalty to them.
2) Color TV with Special DTH which gives 3 months free subscription to Start TV....

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 14 Aug 2010 15:40

Coming to think of it India should have offered $50 or even $500m, knowing pretty well Pakbarian animal ego wont permit accepting it! Then we dont have to offer any REAL concessions to please our WKK community...

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 14 Aug 2010 15:43

Here is the breakup of the aid offer:

Usual markup for any GOI supply 300%
Add sales tax, excise, octroi, etc 35-50% which anyway comes to govt back
Transportation cost from Trivandram or Kanyakumari to Wagah border
'Inspection' of items by various check post policemen enroute - reduce content by 50%
Value of material actually supplied - Rs1

Lalmohan · Post by **Lalmohan** » 14 Aug 2010 15:52

the time is fast approaching for the administration of pakistan to be taken over by the UN...

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 14 Aug 2010 17:07

Sri wrote: These meals are tasty nourishing and and easy to serve (Just dip in boiling water for 5 mins).

..and the water is locally available in plenty I guess..

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 14 Aug 2010 17:12

Brad Goodman wrote:Guys with diarrhea rampant in flood hit area pakistan is fast turning into paakhanastan this is applicable for the 1/5th area under sailaab where as other 4/5th area its business as usual so its still po*rnistan

It's not that different. One comes out of the orifice that obsesses Pakistanis and the other is about going in. And collapsed buildings should provide the pieces of brick needed for wudhu.

I have never felt like speaking in this way after a natural calamity anywhere - but after seeing how Pakistanis and the Paki media reacted after 26/11 I don't give a flying fruck.

RajeshA · Post by **RajeshA** » 14 Aug 2010 17:18

Lalmohan wrote:the time is fast approaching for the administration of pakistan to be taken over by the UN...

Yes and the country can be divided like West Germany or West Berlin after WWII, and every power or alliance gets to administer some part.

India can take care of Northern Areas and Baluchistan.
China can take care of FATA and Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa (and hunt some Uyghur).
USA can take care of Pakjab.
Russia can take care of Sindh.

Of course all wear Blue Helmets!

James B · Post by **James B** » 14 Aug 2010 17:19

Brad Goodman wrote:Guys with diarrhea rampant in flood hit area pakistan is fast turning into paakhanastan this is applicable for the 1/5th area under sailaab where as other 4/5th area its business as usual so its still po*rnistan

diarrhea = more Pakistaniyat in open and contagious too. All the better for Pakhaanistan.

James B · Post by **James B** » 14 Aug 2010 17:30

Govt approves closure of 76 more trains

The federal government has decided to suspend 76 more passenger trains across the country due to financial constraints faced by the Railways department, however Pakistan Railways (PR) has claimed the closure of trains is not going to cause inconvenience to the passengers.

Sources in the Ministry of Railways informed Daily Times that the federal government has approved the closure of 76 more passenger trains due to financial deficit of PR and having insufficient funds for maintenance of these passenger trains.

What desperate times for Pakis, don't even have money to run trains. I wonder if they have money to even administer basic facilities like water, roads, food etc.

And now lack of kapda too.

Country to face cotton shortfall of around 2.3m bales

* Imports to cost textile sector over $900 million

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 14 Aug 2010 17:43

Pakjabis killed in Baloch land

Or if one were to express it in the same language used by Pakbarian media - 'Invaders killed by freedom fighters'

Surprising thing is why are Pakjabis going to Baluch to work as labor? One would have thought it is other way around, Pakjab being land of milk and honey...bit strange, like Delhi wallah going to do labor in Bihar..

Just to claify this is a SEPARATE incident of freedom fighting, quite distinct from the killing bus passenger incident reported earlier...

The report ends on a hopeful note...

The attack is sure to add to ethnic tensions in Balochistan,

Suppiah · Post by **Suppiah** » 14 Aug 2010 17:54

Professional beggars of TSP

On advent of Ramazan the professional beggars' network has speeded up their activities in different areas of the city and are torturing people in name of God and demand money. On advent of Ramadan the beggars have started to roam on roads, streets and bus stands to beg money from people. The beggars.. emotionally blackmail residents in the name of God and beg for money. The beggars continue hound the people until they get the money

Is this report referring to the TSP govt.?

James B · Post by **James B** » 14 Aug 2010 17:58

What does it mean to be a Pawkistani?

A month ago Dawn.com asked its readers to send in images and graphics that celebrate Pakistan and the national spirit – showcasing what it means to be a Pakistani and what symbols – other than our national flag – represent our identity. We received an overwhelming response; our inbox was inundated with pictures from across the country that captured not just the essence of Pakistan but also reminded us of the many talented Pakistanis. After much deliberation, we have selected twelve best images for this year’s media gallery on Independence Day.

The first picture